---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/14/03: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:16 AM - New clear primer (randall true) 2. 01:26 AM - Re: (Chip W Erwin) 3. 02:54 AM - Zenith into Sonex (Guy Cotnoir) 4. 04:23 AM - Re: Questions from a new member (Grant Corriveau) 5. 04:38 AM - Re: Zenith into Sonex (Grant Corriveau) 6. 04:49 AM - Re: New clear primer (caspainhower@aep.com) 7. 05:58 AM - Newsletters (John Thompson) 8. 05:59 AM - Zenith plans on eBay (John Thompson) 9. 06:26 AM - Re: Newsletters (Carlos Sa) 10. 07:08 AM - Re: New clear primer (caspainhower@aep.com) 11. 01:29 PM - Re: eloquent- NO, honest- Yes (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com) 12. 02:31 PM - Re: Zinc-Chromate (David Barth) 13. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: Zinc-Chromate (Frank Jones) 14. 04:46 PM - Re: eloquent- NO, honest- Yes (Elwood140@aol.com) 15. 06:20 PM - Re: Zenith into Sonex (Guy Cotnoir) 16. 06:44 PM - Chuck / "shrink" (Fred Poor) 17. 08:49 PM - Re: New clear primer (Eric Tauch) 18. 09:59 PM - LE slats closing slot?? (Jim Frisby) 19. 11:19 PM - Re: LE slats closing slot?? (randall true) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:40 AM PST US From: randall true Subject: Zenith-List: New clear primer --> Zenith-List message posted by: randall true Craig, can you tell us the name of and source for the new clear primer that the work shop used? Thanks, Randall > > > > > 07/13/03 04:40 AM > > > Please respond to > > > zenith-list > > > > > > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: randall true > > > I'm building a 601 intro rudder kit to see what the > Heintz system is like. 1) Is spray zinc oxide a > pretty > good way to go, or is there a better and or easier > way > to do it? 2) Is there a better pre-cleaner than mek? > 3) Does anyone know if the system that sprays in oil > after the parts are done is effective? 4) What is > this > CH152 you are talking about and where can I learn > about it? Thanks, Randall True in Creston, Ca. > > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted > with it from the > Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power > are for the sole > use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain > confidential and > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, > use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the > intended recipient, please > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all > copies of the original > message. > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:05 AM PST US From: "Chip W Erwin" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chip W Erwin" I am sorry but we have no information on that engine at all. We recommend the Rotax 912ULS. Regards, CHIP Chip W. Erwin CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS, S.R.O. Manufacturer of Sport Aircraft & Aircraft Floats Lucn 1824, 686 02 Star Mesto, Czech Republic Tel: +420 572 543 456 Fax: +420 572 543 692 USA Fax: (772) 264 0936 Mobile Tel: (420) 602 342 717 E-mail: aircraft@czaw.cz www.airplane.cz -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gpjann@juno.com Subject: --> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com I'm looking for performance information for a Zodiac 601 HD/HDS/XL powered by a Corvair engine. Thanks, Greg gpjann@juno.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. --- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:28 AM PST US From: "Guy Cotnoir" Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith into Sonex --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Guy Cotnoir" Hi all,=0D I am building a Sonex and I am considering the incorporation of a few =0D Zenith ideas into my Sonex.=0D The Zenith aileron hinge is made to be almost permanently installed.=0D Has anyone ever needed to remove their ailerons from the wings?=0D Is there a Zenith plans owner in the Toronto area (Canada)?=0D =0D Please reply to guy_cotnoir@msn.com=0D =0D Thanx=0D Guy ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Questions from a new member From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > Somewhere on the Zenith site is a place where you can > sign up for their email updates. http://www.zenithair.com/maillist.html I'm > sure they will send out a message when it's official. Thanks Randy -- I didn't even know this existed - now I'm signed up. -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith into Sonex From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > From: "Guy Cotnoir" ... > Has anyone ever needed to remove their ailerons from the wings? The rivets can be drilled out and the aileron removed with a little care. Not something I'd recommend as a 'regular' operation, but certainly do-able. I'm curious why this is important? -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New clear primer From: caspainhower@aep.com 07/14/2003 07:46:00 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com Randall, I purchased the primer from ZAC. But I have a request in to them to get that information because I am almost out (no info on can). When I get a reply I will post it to the list. Craig Do not archive --> Zenith-List message posted by: randall true Craig, can you tell us the name of and source for the new clear primer that the work shop used? Thanks, Randall This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:29 AM PST US From: John Thompson Subject: Zenith-List: Newsletters --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Thompson Jon, ZAC doesn't put out the newsletters. They're done independently. Thats why they aren't online. John ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:21 AM PST US From: John Thompson Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith plans on eBay --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Thompson All, I've put my 4th edition plans on eBay. just search for zenith 701 on eBay motors. This includes the plans, manual, and all the newsletters concerning the 701. If I can't get my price on eBay, I'll take them to the aeromart at Oshkosh. John ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:25 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Newsletters --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa That's partially true. I discussed the idea of making the newsletter an (optional) on-line service (i.e., e-mailed), but the publisher (Steve Krog) didn't think it was worthwhile, as a significant number of the subscribers aren't "internet enabled". Carlos --- John Thompson wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Thompson > > Jon, > ZAC doesn't put out the newsletters. They're done independently. Thats > why they aren't online. > > John ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New clear primer From: caspainhower@aep.com 07/14/2003 10:05:00 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com can you tell us the name of and source for the new clear primer that the work shop used? The product is called Cortec and according to ZAC it is available in St. Louis but only in 5 gallon quantities. ZAC sells it for $20/qt. Craig S. 601 XL Tail, flaps and ailerons done, used ~ 3/4 qt. This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:05 PM PST US From: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: eloquent- NO, honest- Yes --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com In a message dated 7/12/2003 10:29:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, fredspoor2002@yahoo.com writes: > the guy > is a complete asshole for even considering doing such > a STUPID thing (or asking about it).. I think you are out of line here. This is not the way you should treat people that have a question for this list. It will shy people away from a medium that is designed for just such questions. The person should not be didiculed for experimenting with an idea. I also think you need to get yourself a bit more class. Your trashy response simply shows you are an ignorant member of this list. Which I WOULD PROBABLY THINK MOST OF IT'S MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE GONE. John W. Tarabocchia http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:56 PM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Zinc-Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Frank The vapours from the brush-on zinc-chromate is very strong too. Princess Auto sells a respirator and filter cartridges, I think it was about $30 total and it really works well. I even use it when I brush on the zinc-chromate outdoors. It is really cheap insurance for your health. FWIW David --- Frank Jones wrote: > I just bought the can of zinc chromate liquid and > cut it with lacquer > thinner to apply it with a paint brush. I hope its > not too toxic this > way. > > ______________________ > Frank Jones > C-GYXQ > 601 XL > ______________________ > ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder Currently making parts. Stab, elevator and Rudder waiting for skins. Flaps and ailerons ready for inspection. __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:26 PM PST US From: "Frank Jones" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Zinc-Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" David, thanks for the tip. I was banking on the spray containing all the harmful stuff to help the Zinc Chromate get applied. It's too late now for this airplane (and this body). Hopefully I'll live long enough at least to fly it, and then some. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Barth Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Zinc-Chromate --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Frank The vapours from the brush-on zinc-chromate is very strong too. Princess Auto sells a respirator and filter cartridges, I think it was about $30 total and it really works well. I even use it when I brush on the zinc-chromate outdoors. It is really cheap insurance for your health. FWIW David --- Frank Jones wrote: > I just bought the can of zinc chromate liquid and > cut it with lacquer > thinner to apply it with a paint brush. I hope its > not too toxic this > way. > > ______________________ > Frank Jones > C-GYXQ > 601 XL > ______________________ > ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder Currently making parts. Stab, elevator and Rudder waiting for skins. Flaps and ailerons ready for inspection. __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:25 PM PST US From: Elwood140@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: eloquent- NO, honest- Yes --> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com To the List: The horse died a week ago. Nothing is to be gained by beating it. Let's just bury the poor thing and get on with building our airplanes and sharing experiences. Larry Wood 701 aborning Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:44 PM PST US From: "Guy Cotnoir" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith into Sonex --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Guy Cotnoir" Guy Cotnoir wrote: =0D "Has anyone ever needed to remove their ailerons from the wings?"=0D =0D Grant Corriveau wrote: =0D "I'm curious why this is important?"=0D =0D I am looking to MAYBE use the Zenith hinge on the Sonex control =0D surfaces, and also I am considering modifying the aileron counterweight =0D but this modification would make the removal of the aileron/counterweight =0D assembly difficult.=0D Still, it would save as much as 6 pounds over the per-plans counterweight =0D and would be better at canceling flutter.=0D =0D guy_cotnoir@msn.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:42 PM PST US From: Fred Poor Subject: Zenith-List: Chuck / "shrink" --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor I take exception to your reply. While the idea of a spinable 701 is in my opinion a very bad idea and a very good way to get killed. I believe there is no such thing as a stupid question. This gentleman put forth what he believed to be a honest question. You are the ASSSSSShole. Learn to answer questions not attack people. Chuck do not archive I say the word and some of get upset--- Chuck says it (see above) and it's okay-- this list hasn't changed as much as I tought it had-- and thanks for the free evaluation "shrink" sounds like something you should be telling WOW-- they would be proud of you. "fred" do not archive __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:02 PM PST US From: "Eric Tauch" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New clear primer --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Tauch" I found this website....I dont know which specific product ZAC is using. I am interested in using this too. http://www.cortecvci.com/Products/Coatings/coatings.php Eric Tauch ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New clear primer > --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com > > > can you tell us the name of and source for the > new clear primer that the work shop used? > > The product is called Cortec and according to ZAC it is available in St. > Louis but only in 5 gallon quantities. ZAC sells it for $20/qt. > > Craig S. > 601 XL Tail, flaps and ailerons done, used ~ 3/4 qt. > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:40 PM PST US From: "Jim Frisby" Subject: Zenith-List: LE slats closing slot?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" I think we would all agree that the 801 and 701 cannot be flown without the slats. The effect on the center of lift alone would be disasterous, add to that the fact that without the slat, the wing has no recognizable aerodynamic design. on the other hand, it might be possible to fly the plane with the slat blocked, such that it is streamlined with the wing skin and no air can flow through it. In fact, I believe ZAC has broached this subject with the idea that it might improve cruise speed for cross-country flight. I have thought about taping up a short (then longer if successful) section of the bottom the slat opening on each side of my 801 (it's not flying yet) to observe the effect on flight performance. Jim Frisby ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:51 PM PST US From: randall true Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LE slats closing slot?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: randall true Perhaps Reese would be interested in learning about the Savannah, a 701 kit built in Italy, but with a more standard type wing and elevator I think. Take off roll is about double, but cruise is about 10 knots faster, and I assume it can be spun. Randall --- Jim Frisby wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" > > > > I think we would all agree that the 801 and 701 > cannot be flown without the > slats. The effect on the center of lift alone would > be disasterous, add to > that the fact that without the slat, the wing has no > recognizable > aerodynamic design. > > on the other hand, it might be possible to fly the > plane with the slat > blocked, such that it is streamlined with the wing > skin and no air can flow > through it. In fact, I believe ZAC has broached > this subject with the > idea that it might improve cruise speed for > cross-country flight. > > I have thought about taping up a short (then longer > if successful) section > of the bottom the slat opening on each side of my > 801 (it's not flying yet) > to observe the effect on flight performance. > > Jim Frisby > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > __________________________________