---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/15/03: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:45 AM - Making big holes (RURUNY@aol.com) 2. 04:18 AM - Re: LE slats closing slot?? (RoyN9869L@aol.com) 3. 04:45 AM - Re: Making big holes (Jari Kaija) 4. 04:52 AM - Re: Making big holes (Bryan Martin) 5. 04:55 AM - Re: LE slats closing slot?? (Jari Kaija) 6. 06:39 AM - Wing reskin - (601HD) (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) 7. 06:53 AM - Re: Making big holes (Cy Galley) 8. 07:36 AM - Re: Making big holes (Don Honabach) 9. 09:06 AM - Cheap Hole Finder () 10. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: LE slats closing slot (Hodgson, Mark O) 11. 09:20 AM - Cortec primer - info from ZAC (Carlos Sa) 12. 09:21 AM - Fw: Corrosion Protection (H. Robert Schoenberger) 13. 10:49 AM - Re: Cortec primer - info from ZAC (Perry M. Chappano) 14. 10:49 AM - Cortec VcPI 373 (Steve Danielson) 15. 11:29 AM - Re: Cortec VcPI 373...topcoat?? (erictauch@comcast.net) 16. 11:36 AM - Re: Cheap Hole Finder (Scott Laughlin) 17. 11:49 AM - Re: Making big holes (Gary Gower) 18. 12:03 PM - Re: Cortec primer - info from ZAC (Scott Laughlin) 19. 12:55 PM - Photo,s (Dave Kubassek) 20. 01:08 PM - Fw: Sent File: pdf/WaterTreatment.pdf etc. (H. Robert Schoenberger) 21. 04:04 PM - Slat stuff in the archives (abc abc) 22. 04:23 PM - Large holes, big buck$ (ZSMITH3rd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:47 AM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Making big holes --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com Guys, I have just started fuselage and am working on the Bottom Channel 7F6-1 and Rear Torque Tube Bearing 7F6-2. Sect 2 pg 12 of the manual calls for drilling a 1 1/8 " hole using a flat face drill bit. Does he mean a hole saw or a Forsner bit? If not, what is this and where can you get it? I've tried my unibit and it is making a mess. Does anyone have sugestions on drilling clean holes in this size range. Thanks for your help. Jon Croke I do have all news letters sitting on the shelf, collecting dust at the moment. I'll send them to you for a couple weeks as thanks for the great pics on your web site. Brian Unruh http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:35 AM PST US From: RoyN9869L@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LE slats closing slot?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: RoyN9869L@aol.com To all interested CH-701 / Savannah comparison check out http://sky-rider.net I am building a CH-701 but last October I flew this bird, and I only regret I hadn't known of this aircraft sooner, what a great performer. Sorry folks but "Spins" not recommended as well on this airframe as well. BTW this aircraft is a couple grand cheaper than the CH-701 with 912S (kit form) and includes everything and all sheet metal predrilled and deburred. Check out the site, you might also check out the manufacturer www.icp.it for their highly modified speedster CH-601 AKA the AMIGO. My 701 is to far along to quite I'm certain I will enjoy my 701 when finished but I would be flying now had I bought a Savannah kit (150 hrs airframe and 100 hrs Engine Install). Ah C'est la vie. Cheers R. Roy CH-701 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:51 AM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Making big holes --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > 1 1/8 " hole using a flat face drill bit. Does he mean a hole saw or a > Forsner bit? If not, what is this and where can you get it? I've tried > my unibit and it is making a mess. Does anyone have sugestions on > drilling clean holes in this size range. I'm using these two holecutters for big holes. Bigger one of these (with two cutting blades) is intended to use with wood, but it works very well with aluminium too. Only minor filing is required if any... You should find similar tools from your local hardware store. http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_tools/big_circle_cutter.jpg and couple pictures, how they work: http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_fuselage/big_rfuse78.jpg http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_wings/big_0066.jpg -Jari / OH-XJJ www.jarikaija.com www.project-ch701.net (Spammers! All spam messages will be deleted automatically from server, so, save your miserable time...) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Making big holes From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin on 7/15/03 6:42 AM, RURUNY@aol.com at RURUNY@aol.com wrote: > I have just started fuselage and am working on the Bottom Channel 7F6-1 and > Rear Torque Tube Bearing 7F6-2. Sect 2 pg 12 of the manual calls for drilling > a 1 1/8 " hole using a flat face drill bit. Does he mean a hole saw or a > Forsner bit? You could try a wood boring bit such as a Irwin speedbor. These are often called flat bits. They are intended for wood but the type with the spurs at the outer edges work well for thin aluminum. Use a cutting oil and take it slow. They're about $5 at most hardware stores. Another option is a circle cutter. These are adjustable for various size holes. A 7/8 - 4 inch model will run about $15 at the local hardware store. These must be used in a drill press or turned slowly by hand, don't try using one in an electric hand drill, you can't control it well enough. They make a nice clean hole. A hole saw will work if you put it in a drill press but even then they tend to wander a bit when drilling into metal. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Airframe construction complete. Working on instrument panel, electrical and interior. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:46 AM PST US From: "Jari Kaija" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LE slats closing slot?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jari Kaija" > BTW this aircraft is a couple grand cheaper than the CH-701 > with 912S (kit form) and includes Yep, it's cheaper... In fact, I have copy of Savannah's landing gear blue prints and I'm considering to buy landing gear fork, brakes etc from Italy. Total prices are something incredible when comparing ZAC or ANY other manufacturer of airplane parts. And greatest thing is, that I don't need pay even customs duty, since Italy belongs EU-countries! :-) -Jari / OH-XJJ www.jarikaija.com www.project-ch701.net (Spammers! All spam messages will be deleted automatically from server, so, save your miserable time...) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:42 AM PST US From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Wing reskin - (601HD) --> Zenith-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Well I have made forward progress. I reskined the rear top skin and top of the wing tip on the right wing. The .025 (was .016 ) made a big difference and turned out really nice. I found that the previous owner had been in the RT wing before because I found the tale tell figure 8 holes. I made some L brackets as per ZAC and all is well. I got the skin off the second wing last night.......no double holes . Still have the panel/fuel system/electrical system/interior/paint to go :) Maybe I should have bought a kit :)) The plane is down to a bare airframe now Sal Capra Lakeland, FL My Home Page http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:32 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Making big holes --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" When they say flat face bit, that what it is. Irwin makes a flat spade bit that has spurs on the outside corners. These spurs cut the circle in thin metal long before the horizontal part hits. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: Making big holes > --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com > > Guys, > > I have just started fuselage and am working on the Bottom Channel 7F6-1 and Rear Torque Tube Bearing 7F6-2. Sect 2 pg 12 of the manual calls for drilling a 1 1/8 " hole using a flat face drill bit. Does he mean a hole saw or a Forsner bit? If not, what is this and where can you get it? I've tried my unibit and it is making a mess. Does anyone have sugestions on drilling clean holes in this size range. > Thanks for your help. > Jon Croke I do have all news letters sitting on the shelf, collecting dust at the moment. I'll send them to you for a couple weeks as thanks for the great pics on your web site. > > Brian Unruh > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/ > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:57 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Making big holes From: "Don Honabach" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" I would also go ahead and cut a few test holes in spare stock and see how the torque tube fits. Sometimes because of the tool not being true to it's marking or from operatior error while drilling you'll end up with a hole that is too large. Don Honabach -----Original Message----- From: Cy Galley [mailto:cgalley@qcbc.org] Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Making big holes --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" When they say flat face bit, that what it is. Irwin makes a flat spade bit that has spurs on the outside corners. These spurs cut the circle in thin metal long before the horizontal part hits. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: Making big holes > --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com > > Guys, > > I have just started fuselage and am working on the Bottom Channel > 7F6-1 and Rear Torque Tube Bearing 7F6-2. Sect 2 pg 12 of the manual calls for drilling a 1 1/8 " hole using a flat face drill bit. Does he mean a hole saw or a Forsner bit? If not, what is this and where can you get it? I've tried my unibit and it is making a mess. Does anyone have sugestions on drilling clean holes in this size range. > Thanks for your help. > Jon Croke I do have all news letters sitting on the shelf, collecting > dust at the moment. I'll send them to you for a couple weeks as thanks for the great pics on your web site. > > Brian Unruh http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/ > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:19 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Cheap Hole Finder --> Zenith-List message posted by: I lucked into this, and thought I'd pass it on------ As a result of yet another malfunction of the linkage between my hat and my neck, I found I had to lay an undrilled piece of sheet aluminum over a pre-drilled piece, and then figure out how to find a hole several inches from the edge. Being too cheap to go buy a hole finder, as well as skeptical about finding one the size I needed, I tried this and it worked: I took two straight, narrow pieces of aluminum, lined them up one on top of the other, and securely riveted one end. Then, I drilled a hole (#30 in this case) through both pieces at the other end. I then removed the business end of an A-4 rivet from the stem, stuck it through the bottom piece, and laid a piece of masking tape on to hold it in place. Sliding the lower piece under the undrilled sheet, I wiggled it around until it fell into the hole, and there I was looking at the spot to drill. I imagine others have figured out this quick and dirty solution, but I thought I'd pass it on anyway. It anybody has figure out other work aids, I'd like to hear about them (Probably we ALL would.) SECOND SUBJECT--- Has anybody figured out what headlight components would make good landing lights? I'm looking to use small halogens from my local junkyard. Paul Rodriguez 601 XL-Corvair still working on the wings. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:52 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: re: LE slats closing slot From: "Hodgson, Mark O" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" I'm new to the list, and am still pondering the financial side of building a CH701, but it sure looks like a great aircraft. I heard Chris Heintz talk at Sun 'n Fun, and was very impressed. So FWIW, two points: 1) he understandably wasn't real keen on the Savannah as a rip-off of his design, and as I recall he felt that it was structurally inferior to the CH701. 2) I don't think the Savannah's LE slats are any less fixed than the CH701, although I could be wrong. 3) a little Googling reveals the following intriguing quote from a Yahoo group: "the French 'Le Guerin G1', a Zenair CH701/ Savannah look-alike, quite fast at 100 MPH claimed cruise speed) with genuinely easily folding wings and a leading edge that moved in (when travelling fast) and out (when travelling slowly) to reduce the drag and reduce the stall speed respectively. For an aircraft-type that is often described as 'agricultural' in appearance, the all-metal design actually looked quite good and the high standard of build quality was favourably commented upon by many people there. AND it is a STOL aircraft par excellence!" These were remarks regarding some show at Friedrichshaven, I think. I couldn't find anything more on 'Le Guerin G1,' but I didn't look very hard either. I'd never want to experiment with a Chris Heintz design, but I'm certainly curious if somebody else has and what the results are, especially in the perhaps not-too-likely event of success. Mark Hodgson mhodgson@bu.edu ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:31 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Zenith-List: Cortec primer - info from ZAC --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Here are some specifics on the Cortec primer: > From: "Zenith Aircraft Company" > To: carlosfsa@yahoo.com > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:47:54 -0500 > Subject: Re: TECH SUPPORT - Zenith Aircraft Co. > > > > I heard you are now using a clear primer instead of the zinc oxide. > > (Feb/2003 workshop) > > > > Can you provide additional information? > > VCI-373 liquid wash primer/ coating with corrosion inhibitor > This is a water-based, safe, non-toxic > www.cortecvci.com > > > > Nick Heintz > Zenith Aircraft Company > support@zenithair.com > http://www.zenithair.com > > Technical Support Disclaimer: While we strive to ensure that the > advice/information provided through our support is correct, Zenith > Aircraft Company does not accept any responsibility for errors or > omissions. Any advice or information that Zenith Aircraft Company > gives you via any form of communication is not a guarantee that it > will correct your problem. It is only offered as assistance to you. > Zenith Aircraft Company will not be held responsible for any loss or > damage as a result of our advice or information supplied. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:11 AM PST US From: "H. Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Corrosion Protection --> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" List . . .Here is a message I wrote to Nick regarding their use of a new corrosion protection product. I am quite encouraged by his answer and thought you might also be interested. Boy would it be great to be able to use this stuff in the workshop without all the worries about face masks etc. Hap Schoenberger 701 tail and rudder done, 60% right wing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zenith Aircraft Company" Subject: Re: Corrosion Protection > So far we have been pleased with the result, though it can be > sprayed, we generally prefer to brush it on. When dry, the primer > turns into a very durable clear coating. > > > 2. Which Cortec product product are you specifically using? > > VCI-373 > > > 3. Can it be safely used inside without the usual respirator or > > danger of explosion? I'm building in the basement and have to drag > > parts, partially completely skeletons, wings with partial skin etc > > up the stairs and out to the garage when I coat with Zinc Chromate. > > It would be really nice to find a user friendly product. > > www.cortecvci.com > > This is a water-based, safe, non-toxic > > Nick Heintz > Zenith Aircraft Company > support@zenithair.com > http://www.zenithair.com > > Technical Support Disclaimer: While we strive to ensure that the > advice/information provided through our support is correct, Zenith > Aircraft Company does not accept any responsibility for errors or > omissions. Any advice or information that Zenith Aircraft Company > gives you via any form of communication is not a guarantee that it > will correct your problem. It is only offered as assistance to you. > Zenith Aircraft Company will not be held responsible for any loss or > damage as a result of our advice or information supplied. > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:30 AM PST US From: "Perry M. Chappano" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cortec primer - info from ZAC --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Perry M. Chappano" I've been using the VCI-373 from the get go. Easy to use and clean up. Probably will add some weight though. Perry Chappano Zodiac 601XL N9961 1940 Porterfield LC-65 NC32372 Carlos Sa wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa > > Here are some specifics on the Cortec primer: > > > From: "Zenith Aircraft Company" > > To: carlosfsa@yahoo.com > > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:47:54 -0500 > > Subject: Re: TECH SUPPORT - Zenith Aircraft Co. > > > > > > > I heard you are now using a clear primer instead of the zinc oxide. > > > (Feb/2003 workshop) > > > > > > Can you provide additional information? > > > > VCI-373 liquid wash primer/ coating with corrosion inhibitor > > This is a water-based, safe, non-toxic > > www.cortecvci.com > > > > > > > > Nick Heintz > > Zenith Aircraft Company > > support@zenithair.com > > http://www.zenithair.com > > > > Technical Support Disclaimer: While we strive to ensure that the > > advice/information provided through our support is correct, Zenith > > Aircraft Company does not accept any responsibility for errors or > > omissions. Any advice or information that Zenith Aircraft Company > > gives you via any form of communication is not a guarantee that it > > will correct your problem. It is only offered as assistance to you. > > Zenith Aircraft Company will not be held responsible for any loss or > > damage as a result of our advice or information supplied. > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:48 AM PST US From: "Steve Danielson" Subject: Zenith-List: Cortec VcPI 373 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Danielson" I called Cortec and got the number of my local distributor here in Raleigh, NC. I just talked with him and it is $268.54 US for the 5 gallon pail. That's 20 qts, so if ZAC is selling it at $20 a qt they aren't making much (if any) off it. I was kind of hoping that it would be really cheap from the source, but it isn't to be. Here is a link to the cortec datasheet for this: http://www.cortecvci.com/Publications/PDS/373.pdf Here is the page that has the other details for it: http://www.cortecvci.com/Products/products.php?showonly=HighPerfCoat (got to scroll down a little to find it) I've been using ZnCr (I have a quart that I bought from ACS and have been thinning it & brushing on with a sponge brush) but when it runs out I think I may try a quart of the Cortec. I've got too many little green dots on my driveway around where I do my priming... Steve ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:15 AM PST US From: erictauch@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cortec VcPI 373...topcoat?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: erictauch@comcast.net Hi, So in reading about the 373 product, it says it "has to be topcoated" (should be?). This is probably for max wear. Just below the 373, was listed the 374, which says it "can or cannot" be topcoated. That is one thing that always bothered me about zinc chromates is that it is essentially a primer and doesnt provide a good protection to moisture or abrasion (?). I always imagine the primer as "soaking up water" and such, although I'm sure thats not really the case. I would like to try this new stuff, but wonder why they are not using the 374. It may be due to the fact that the 373 can be applied in a very thin film (weight savings). Eric > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Danielson" > > I called Cortec and got the number of my local distributor here in Raleigh, > NC. I just talked with him and it is $268.54 US for the 5 gallon pail. > That's 20 qts, so if ZAC is selling it at $20 a qt they aren't making much > (if any) off it. I was kind of hoping that it would be really cheap from the > source, but it isn't to be. > > Here is a link to the cortec datasheet for this: > http://www.cortecvci.com/Publications/PDS/373.pdf > > Here is the page that has the other details for it: > http://www.cortecvci.com/Products/products.php?showonly=HighPerfCoat > (got to scroll down a little to find it) > > I've been using ZnCr (I have a quart that I bought from ACS and have been > thinning it & brushing on with a sponge brush) but when it runs out I think > I may try a quart of the Cortec. I've got too many little green dots on my > driveway around where I do my priming... > > Steve > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:14 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cheap Hole Finder --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Paul: I didn't quite follow your description, but is sounds similar to my flange finder pictured here: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/5_02_03_FlangeFinder.jpg Your idea of putting the rivet-part is a good one for finding a hole. Mine is more like for finding the center of a flange before drilling. Thanks for the tip. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: Subject: Zenith-List: Cheap Hole Finder --> Zenith-List message posted by: I lucked into this, and thought I'd pass it on------ As a result of yet another malfunction of the linkage between my hat and my neck, I found I had to lay an undrilled piece of sheet aluminum over a pre-drilled piece, and then figure out how to find a hole several inches from the edge. Being too cheap to go buy a hole finder, as well as skeptical about finding one the size I needed, I tried this and it worked: I took two straight, narrow pieces of aluminum, lined them up one on top of the other, and securely riveted one end. Then, I drilled a hole (#30 in this case) through both pieces at the other end. I then removed the business end of an A-4 rivet from the stem, stuck it through the bottom piece, and laid a piece of masking tape on to hold it in place. Sliding the lower piece under the undrilled sheet, I wiggled it around until it fell into the hole, and there I was looking at the spot to drill. I imagine others have figured out this quick and dirty solution, b! ut I thought I'd pass it on anyway. It anybody has figure out other work aids, I'd like to hear about them (Probably we ALL would.) SECOND SUBJECT--- Has anybody figured out what headlight components would make good landing lights? I'm looking to use small halogens from my local junkyard. Paul Rodriguez 601 XL-Corvair still working on the wings. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:03 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Making big holes --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower This is what we used, we bought a set, very cheap, we use them with low speed drill and very little pressure, hold the alum piece with lock pliers (sp?) protect with thin pieces of plywood. Excelent results. Saludos Gary Gower. --- Cy Galley wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > When they say flat face bit, that what it is. Irwin makes a flat > spade bit > that has spurs on the outside corners. These spurs cut the circle in > thin > metal long before the horizontal part hits. > > Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh > > Editor, EAA Safety Programs > cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org > > Always looking for articles for the Experimenter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Making big holes > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com > > > > Guys, > > > > I have just started fuselage and am working on the Bottom Channel > 7F6-1 > and Rear Torque Tube Bearing 7F6-2. Sect 2 pg 12 of the manual calls > for > drilling a 1 1/8 " hole using a flat face drill bit. Does he mean a > hole saw > or a Forsner bit? If not, what is this and where can you get it? I've > tried > my unibit and it is making a mess. Does anyone have sugestions on > drilling > clean holes in this size range. > > Thanks for your help. > > Jon Croke I do have all news letters sitting on the shelf, > collecting dust > at the moment. I'll send them to you for a couple weeks as thanks for > the > great pics on your web site. > > > > Brian Unruh > > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:13 PM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cortec primer - info from ZAC --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" I kind of like the green color so I can easily distinguish parts that are ready for assembly. I noticed that VpCI-373 is available in clear and also green. I've requested dealer information in my area and I'll let you guys know what kind of price I get here in Nebraska. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Perry M. Chappano" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cortec primer - info from ZAC --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Perry M. Chappano" I've been using the VCI-373 from the get go. Easy to use and clean up. Probably will add some weight though. Perry Chappano Zodiac 601XL N9961 1940 Porterfield LC-65 NC32372 Carlos Sa wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa > > Here are some specifics on the Cortec primer: > > > From: "Zenith Aircraft Company" > > To: carlosfsa@yahoo.com > > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:47:54 -0500 > > Subject: Re: TECH SUPPORT - Zenith Aircraft Co. > > > > > > > I heard you are now using a clear primer instead of the zinc oxide. > > > (Feb/2003 workshop) > > > > > > Can you provide additional information? > > > > VCI-373 liquid wash primer/ coating with corrosion inhibitor > > This is a water-based, safe, non-toxic > > www.cortecvci.com > > > > > > > > Nick Heintz > > Zenith Aircraft Company > > support@zenithair.com > > http://www.zenithair.com > > > > Technical Support Disclaimer: While we strive to ensure that the > > advice/information provided through our support is correct, Zenith > > Aircraft Company does not accept any responsibility for errors or > > omissions. Any advice or information that Zenith Aircraft Company > > gives you via any form of communication is not a guarantee that it > > will correct your problem. It is only offered as assistance to you. > > Zenith Aircraft Company will not be held responsible for any loss or > > damage as a result of our advice or information supplied. > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:35 PM PST US From: "Dave Kubassek" Subject: Zenith-List: Photo,s --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" For those of you who are interested and have asked for photos of C-FDSF , 601 XL w/0235 this not very computer literate person has just made an attemt to post some on the photo site........I hope they make it?? Just an up date on flight testing Wedenesday Am,July 9 1st flight - 1.5 hrs,6 T.O's & Landings on grass, all when well(terrified) Sunday Am July 13 2cd flight - 1.5 hrs of circuits at local airport on ashphalt, Preforms wonderfull(definetly an improvment in preformance on ashphalt vs. grass.) 900-1000 ft. per min. climb at 80 mph. with full fuel and 2-225 lb people (not bad) Tuesday Am, July 14 3rd flight - .5 siteseeing and playing with trims and power settings and generally getting the feel of things(a little more relaxed)Noteing that climb and cruise not changing that noticably with one person or fully loaded. Weight differance noted mostly in Take off and on Flaring for landing....... So far so good,what a lovely little bird,sure is a sweet handling thing. (You must remember i come form a background of flying champs and cubs and ultra lites for the last 28 years . this is forcing me to hone my flying skills some what! ) Later .....dave kubassek,601 XL C-FDSF,0235 lyc. 1 year, 650 hrs later & or - ( first homebuilt XL to fly in Canada) I cant believe i did it!!!!!!!! ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:34 PM PST US From: "H. Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Sent File: pdf/WaterTreatment.pdf etc. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" List . . . When I requested some information from Cortec, there was a place to ask a question so I specifically asked them about plane construction. . This is what I got back. The first attachment deals with 373 and the second 386. This tried to open in Acrobatic 2.1 and wouldn't. I then activated 3.0 and it came up okay. I'm a bit concerned about the recommendation of a second coat of 386 on top of the 373. Hap Schoenberger 701 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kpr Adcor Inc" Subject: RE: Sent File: pdf/WaterTreatment.pdf etc. > > Prime aluminum with 373 and top coat with 386 aluminum coating is very good > for plane construction. > > KPR ADCOR INC 'We Stop Rust!' TM > Toll free: 1-866-577-2326 Phone: 905-628-3232 Fax: 905-628-2529 > www.Corrosionvci.com www.Foodgradebag.com www.car-rust.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: H Robert Schoenberger [mailto:hrs4@prodigy.net] > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:34 PM > To: kpr@corrosionvci.com > Subject: Sent File: pdf/WaterTreatment.pdf etc. > > > hrs4@prodigy.net (H Robert Schoenberger) > requested the file(s) pdf/WaterTreatment.pdf > I am interested in a corrosion protection for airplane construction. Is the > VCl - 373 the best product to use on new 6031 aluminum construction? > Presently I'm using ZnChr. Thank you . . . Robert S. What are you > supplying to the Zenith Aircraft Company in Mexico MO? > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:30 PM PST US From: abc abc Subject: Zenith-List: Slat stuff in the archives --> Zenith-List message posted by: abc abc Found a lot of slat stuff in the archives, http://www.dedaliusaviation.com Message: #19083 From: "michael brook" Subject: Re: 701 MODS I don't know if the theory of a dangerous mismatch in lift is real. My gut feeling is that it would be but my friend who has the dedalius wings took off the slats on one wing of his machine to test it out. Apparently there wasn't that much difference in the stall characteristics of the machine. There was some effect but it wasn't dangerous. He also took off the slats on a 701 and tested the level flight characteristics of the bird with no slats on. Low down it made a big difference but high up there wasn't that much. Maybe 1-2kts at cruise. http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ht-87-8.html Pegazair 15mph stall retractable slats http://www.ultralightnews.com/plansbuyerguide/pegazair100stol.htm http://www.tapanee.com/index.html also cut Message: #1255 I however also have a problem on mine related to the slats, they are in the wrong position, i. e. pre 1991 plans. Maybe people with experience with the slats in an alternate position. And in regard to another post, take off role for Savannah Rotax582 130ft Rotax912 120ft Rotax912s 90ft i think the same as CH701 http://www.icp.it/avio_en.htm --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:17 PM PST US From: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Large holes, big buck$ --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com Greenlee makes "knockout punches" in sizes from about one-half inch to real big. These are available in inch sizes, metric sizes, and knockouts for electrical conduit. For those not familiar with these handy items, you can spend a small fortune and still have only a handful. Be aware that a "one-inch diameter" and a "one-inch conduit" are NOT the same animal. In some catalog listings the non-conduit punches are shown as "radio chassis punches" and it is these that are listed as to the actual hole size produced. The "conduit" variety makes a hole for metal conduit of the stated size. Obviously a one-inch I.D. pipe (the conduit) requires a hole somewhat larger than the O.D. of the pipe. The larger sizes, two inches and bigger normally have a ball-bearing drive bolt. If any of you know an electrical contractor who will give you free run of his shop, you may be able to avoid the "Oh, s**t feeling associated with a fly-cutter mistake. I mention Greenlee because it is so common in the U.S. Other list members may offer other manufacturer names. DO NOT ARCHIVE Zed Smith 701/r912/getting there w/slats