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1. 06:58 AM - Re: Zodiac vs. RV (William Nichelson)
2. 07:55 AM - Re: Kit Planes (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
3. 08:08 AM - Re: HDS spring gear (Aaron)
4. 08:11 AM - Re: RV popularity... (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
5. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Zodiac vs. RV (Grant Corriveau)
6. 09:04 AM - Re: RV popularity... (John Karnes)
7. 10:26 AM - HDS 601 On Flight Sim... (Royer, Michel)
8. 12:00 PM - Dreams (RURUNY@aol.com)
9. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac vs. RV (Randy L. Thwing)
10. 07:06 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac vs. RV (Benford2@aol.com)
11. 08:32 PM - Victim needed!! (ZSMITH3rd@aol.com)
12. 09:00 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac vs. RV (Randy L. Thwing)
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac vs. RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: William Nichelson <bn2@bright.net>
Zodiac List,
I don't contribute much to the list anymore, but do follow the discussions
and jump in when I think I have something to add - FWIW (for what its
worth). I have a good friend who flies a beautiful RV4. I helped him some
with his construction before and during the four years I spend building my
601, and he helped support me in my building. He had almost 12 years total
building time for the RV4, but has younger children and started back when
the RV kits were far from quick build. Last Sunday, we flew across our
state (Ohio) for breakfast, believing that any reason to fly is a good
reason. The trip was 117.3nm each way. I left 15 minutes before he did and
he got there about 5 minutes ahead of me. My flight time was .9 hours going
and .8 hours on the return trip. He can pass me like I am standing still,
but it does not bother me at all. I love my little airplane and I love his
too. We flew to Oshkosh together last year - well sort of. The total trip
took him about an hour less than me. We met up at fuel stops, and actually
flew in formation from Fond Du Lac to Oshkosh.
At the breakfast last week, we met up with some friends. They looked at my
friends RV, but spent most of the time looking over my 601HDS. My point is
this - unless you fly long cross country trips all the time, the speed
difference means very little. I did not mind at all the trip last Sunday
taking almost an hour. It was a beautiful morning and I loved every minute
of it. Why would I want to get there and faster? I don't. There are times I
would love to have an RV7 sitting in my hanger, something that would cruise
at over 200 mph. But I don't NEED that speed. I used to fly a 250 Comanche
- cruised at 180 mph. A trip across the state to see my Mother takes me
15-20 minutes longer in my 601HDS than it did in the Comanche. In the grand
scheme of things, the time difference is insignificant. And I burn way less
fuel - way less than half.
So to each his own. Both RV's and Zodiacs are great airplanes. But it sure
is fun to have people flock to look at my airplane when I go somewhere. It
gets lots of attention and I am proud to say "Yes, I built it myself".
Bill Nichelson
Bellefontaine, Ohio USA
Zodiac 601HDS - Casual Passion
S/N 6-3556 - N132BN
Jabiru 3300 / Prince P-Tip Prop
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Ha..Yeah I made it back OK. Its running beautifully!
I'm off to Prospect fly in this W/e, about 150miles up in the
mountains...Should take an hour and a half...assuming the valve guides don't
fall out.
If you don't see me on the list next week...call somebody!...:)
I re-torqued the head bolts which had not moved, had to reset a couple of
valve clearances. I belive you said 10 and 12 thou? That's what they are set
to.
Say, there is a little wear on my distributor shaft...just a couple of thou
but I did open my reluctor gap to max just in case.
I got a feeling I'm gonna need your new distributor sometime soon. How is
development on that coming?
Frank
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From: Ramperf@aol.com [mailto:Ramperf@aol.com]
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Kit Planes
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ramperf@aol.com
Frank
I take it your guides didn't fall out?
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: HDS spring gear |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
Myself as well as one other builder I know of have installed Grove Aircraft
spring gear. The other one is flying, and having flown both the plans gear
and the Grove, he says to me "You are going to love your spring gear". It
weighs 28#. I think much less than the stock one. It is 2024T6 and
guaranteed for life! $900
Aaron
601HDTD Plans
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Tucker" <btucke73@yahoo.com>
> Have any HD or HDS builders looked into using an XL type aluminum
spring gear? I am not a big proponent of modifying from original designs,
but it seems like a considerably cleaner and easier installation. Any idea
about the weight difference between the two? Ground handling
characteristics? Mounting location and airframe modifications?
>
> I have read about some of the difficulties of the "bungee box"
installation on some of your websites, and wondered how difficult it would
be.
>
> -Just thinking aloud.
>
> Brandon Tucker
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| Subject: | RV popularity... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I think this was a very well thought out point of view. When I think back to
my purchase decision I had not started on my private ticket when I bought
the kit.
At 70 hours I pranged a C152, me and my passenger escaped by the skin of our
teeth. I remember being thankful that it was the Cessna I crashed 'cos it
took a really hard slam into the ground and I'm still amazed the nose gear
didn't break off! They are really strong (and heavy).
If it had happened in a 601 or an RV I don't it would have been such a
fortunate outcome.
Of course if the accident happened in the RV the speed may well have been
much higher.
The nice thing about the ZAC (now I am a MUCH better pilot for my near
miss...another 400 hours helps too!) is I hardly ever think about flying
it...I just get in and fly.
Airspeed in the pattern, landing lights and fuel, that's about it.
Frank
601 HDS Stratus with RAM heads where the valve guides stay put!
-----Original Message-----
From: Grant Corriveau [mailto:grantc@ca.inter.net]
Subject: Zenith-List: RV popularity...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
..
> Lets face it even the slowest RV9 with a 118HP engine is about 50mph
> faster than any zodiac (at least excluding the XL).
I suspect the speed is a big factor that makes people lean towards the RV. I
also suspect that many recreational pilots buy more airplane than they can
comfortably handle.
A friend and professional pilot at the local airport keeps his hand into
instructing and checking out people on various aircraft, and last summer he
checked out two guys who'd finished their RVs. One took a few hours but
eventually was considered safe to let loose (he had been flying a C-170
tailwheeler while building so was still pretty current). The other fellow
hadn't been flying, was getting on in years (hey - I have gray hair too and
I'm discovering how the carbon-based computer between my ears slows down
when least desired! ;-). After several hours of checking, my colleague
still didn't consider him competent to send solo. Any lapse of attention
during a circuit would see the aircraft rapidly loosing altitude and
building speed in the beginnings of a spiral -- it's a very clean aircraft
aerodynamically! I haven't heard the latested update on this one yet...
My point is simply this - most recreational pilots only fly a few hours a
year - life is busy - we never get as much flying time as we dream we're
going to. AND WE AIN'T GETTIN' ANY YOUNGER! I know way too many who scare
themselves (and bystanders !) when the take their annual flight on aircraft
that are just too much for them.
The beauty of the 601 and 701, is that by keeping it simple, there is still
a wonderful tradeoff of performace (speed or STOL) versus ease of handling.
I suspect that the average Zenair builder will get a lot more fun and fewer
frights from his finished aircraft. Just my suspicion!
NOTE: this is IN NO WAY MEANT TO SLAM all the highly-qualified,
professionally-oriented recreational pilots on this list!!! ;-).
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac vs. RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> From: William Nichelson <bn2@bright.net>
...
> So to each his own. Both RV's and Zodiacs are great airplanes. But it sure
> is fun to have people flock to look at my airplane when I go somewhere. It
> gets lots of attention and I am proud to say "Yes, I built it myself".
Well said!
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV popularity... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Karnes" <jpkarnes@charter.net>
One reason that I picked the 601 HDS is that I am a low time pilot and felt
that the RV planes might be more than I can handle at this point in my
flying career. I find the 601 a very docile, easily forgiving, yet fun
ride. The Y stick is very intuitive and maneuvering the plane is a breeze.
Transitioning from C152's was a snap once you adjust to the view outside the
cockpit at flare.
John Karnes
Port Orchard, WA
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| Subject: | HDS 601 On Flight Sim... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Royer, Michel" <RoyerM@tc.gc.ca>
As of curiosity, as I'm still building and not flown the real thing yet.
Has anyone of you tried the Trike 601 HDS with Flight Sim 2002 and
the downloadable 601 available on the Zenith Web site????????\\
How far from reality for the ones that has tried it??????
Thx
> Michel Royer
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Dr. Morisson Wrote:
At the end of the day, flying a plane that's 50% of your dream is a helluva
lot
better than
having nothing but 100% of the same old dream .
This is so true and very nicely said.
Brian
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac vs. RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac vs. RV
I have two friends with RV6's. I and my poor old '48 Bonanza get invited
along often on trips with them; to haul the lawn chairs, ice chests, camping
gear, ground crew, support equipment, spares etc. that don't easily fit in
their ships. Then, while hauling all THEIR cargo, they constantly whine
that I fly 10 mph slower than they do.
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas, NV 701 plans, do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac vs. RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 7/18/2003 1:34:05 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
n4546v@mindspring.com writes:
>
> I have two friends with RV6's. I and my poor old '48 Bonanza get invited
> along often on trips with them; to haul the lawn chairs, ice chests, camping
> gear, ground crew, support equipment, spares etc. that don't easily fit in
> their ships. Then, while hauling all THEIR cargo, they constantly whine
> that I fly 10 mph slower than they do.
> Regards,
> Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas, NV 701 plans, do not archive
>
>
Sounds like you need NEW friends. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do not archive...
Ben Haas. N801BH.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
All this week it was the "RV" line of flying machines.
Last week it was the 701 sans slats.
The week before that was some other unimportant issue.
So which horse shall we beat to death this week coming?
Get your suggestions in early. Deadline, no pun excluded, is midnight
tomorrow.
Committee will meet early and often to chop the list into mangleable bits.
Limit: One per cusser.
Zed Smith
701/R912/90%
Definitely DO NOT ARCHIVE !!
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac vs. RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
> > I have two friends with RV6's. I and my poor old '48 Bonanza get invited
> > along often on trips with them; to haul the lawn chairs, ice chests,
camping
> > gear, ground crew, support equipment, spares etc. that don't easily fit
in
> > their ships. Then, while hauling all THEIR cargo, they constantly whine
> > that I fly 10 mph slower than they do.
>
> Sounds like you need NEW friends. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Do not archive...
>
> Ben Haas. N801BH.
My airport and aviation friends (including RVers) are the absolute BEST!
But I try not to miss an opportunity to RAZZZ them good!
Randy, Las Vegas do not archive
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