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1. 12:19 AM - Re: Victim needed!! (Dr. Perry Morrison)
2. 01:55 AM - Re: Re: Zodiac vs. RV (Phil & Michele Miller)
3. 02:22 AM - Re: Spring gear (Chris Weber)
4. 04:48 AM - importing to Au Thanks, more than meets the eyes (abc abc)
5. 05:26 AM - Flight Planning & Moving maps free (Zodie Rocket)
6. 05:56 AM - Re: Victim needed!! (Bill Howerton)
7. 05:58 AM - Fw: HDS spring gear (fdarby)
8. 09:08 AM - Zenith vs RV (William Herren)
9. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Spring gear (Leo J. Corbalis)
10. 09:42 AM - Re: HDS 601 On Flight Sim... (Brian Caithcart)
11. 09:45 AM - Re: Flight Planning & Moving maps free (Randall Stout)
12. 01:42 PM - 701 front wing struts (Shay King)
13. 01:43 PM - Re: Kit Planes (Greg Ferris)
14. 07:32 PM - My progress so far (Bill Howerton)
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| Subject: | Re: Victim needed!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison" <perrymorrison@yahoo.com>
Aviation is full of opinion. Building aircraft that can take significant
slabs of your life, sometimes cause divorces and definitely strain
the bank means that it's kinda wise to listen to all of it, confirm
what you can and discard the rest.
You can always enlarge your delete key :-)
Perry Morrison
Do not archive
ZSMITH3rd@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
All this week it was the "RV" line of flying machines.
Last week it was the 701 sans slats.
The week before that was some other unimportant issue.
So which horse shall we beat to death this week coming?
Get your suggestions in early. Deadline, no pun excluded, is midnight
tomorrow.
Committee will meet early and often to chop the list into mangleable bits.
Limit: One per cusser.
Zed Smith
701/R912/90%
Definitely DO NOT ARCHIVE !!
__________________________
Dr. Perry Morrison
Morrison Associates Pty Ltd
+61 08 89 88 4617
0408892638
perrymorrison@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac vs. RV |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil & Michele Miller" <millerpg@ps.gen.nz>
Sounds like you need to get the 701 flying, Randy. With the reduced
carrying capacity and increased speed differential your "friends" will
probably do you a favour and go find another pack horse. (Tongue firmly
planted in cheek!)
Cheers,
Phil Miller
New Zealand Do Not Archive
>> Then, while hauling all THEIR cargo, they constantly whine that I fly
10 mph slower than they do. Regards, Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas, NV 701
plans, do not archive
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Weber" <chrisoz@gmx.net>
Hello Brandon,
I have taken delivery of the aluminium bar for the spring gear on my current
project, a plane based roughly on the XL as a open tandem taildragger. The
spring weights 13 kg, all in all not to bad. It has the same diameter and
material specifications as the ones used on the 701.
I have build and flown 2 Zodiac taildraggers in the last three years, one
kit and one from scratch, and the standard undercarriage takes a lot of
punishment and handles great. But I am getting kind of tired with all the
fiddly bits, gear slides, bungees, bearings, welding of the boxes etc. Once
my current project is in the air around Christmas I will tackle an other 601
HD, and will put a spring undercarriage in. It is really quite
straightforward, make the two inner nose ribs in 40 thou, put a U-channel in
front of the main spar, stiffen the whole area up a bit, weld up the
brackets and there you go.
But then I suppose I am somewhat uninhibited as far as deviation from plans
is concerned ;-)
Installation of the bungee box : it is easy, just tie the wheel fork and
the metal box together with a length of rope through the bungee retaining
tubes, place the assembly in your vice and lever the bungees on. Then slide
the whole thing in the wing and put the AN 3 bolts in (glue the nuts onto
the inside of the extrusions with epoxy first, or you will have to break
your fingers twice in order to fit the nuts in there). Check out the
archive, the process is described in detail in there somewhere.
Cheers from Downunder,
Chris
>
> Have any HD or HDS builders looked into using an XL type aluminum
spring gear?
> I am not a big proponent of modifying from original designs, but it seems
> like a considerably cleaner and easier installation. Any idea about the
weight
> difference between the two? Ground handling characteristics? Mounting
location
> and airframe modifications?
>
> I have read about some of the difficulties of the "bungee box"
installation
> on some of your websites, and wondered how difficult it would be.
>
> -Just thinking aloud.
>
> Brandon Tucker
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| Subject: | importing to Au Thanks, more than meets the eyes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: abc abc <yah67890@yahoo.com>
Thanks everyone for my recent enquire about importing to Au.
I recieved many private emails with real information.
So when luking you may only see some info but the Guy and Gals? here are the Best.
If you have a genuine question/ problem the people here are more than helpful.
Thanks Again for all the infomation
Tony
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| Subject: | Flight Planning & Moving maps free |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
For those of you getting close to flight testing and panel planning have
a look at these sites. I just downloaded them and feel that you get a
lot more then you thought you would for free.
This is just for information purpose.
Mark Townsend
601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo
Here is a company that offers a FREE moving map
http://www.pocketfms.com and they also get their data from DAFIF. Is
there anyone out there already working on this approach? It seems
almost too good to be true. Updates every 28 days and it's free.
Here you can get free digital chart info. this company
http://www.winpilot.com/vfr/generalvfr.asp uses the DAFIF free info
for its moving map display. and there is a free DAFIF viewer located
here http://www.esri.com/software/arcexplorer/download2.htm just
simply register and it's free. The free DAFIF digital chart info is
suppose to be as good as Jeppensen
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| Subject: | Re: Victim needed!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
Amen to that!
BTW: when enlarging my delete key, I am considering using a stainless steel
key oversized by 25% attached to the existing key, any suggestions on epoxy
usage? ...Just kidding.....
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| Subject: | Fw: HDS spring gear |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "fdarby" <fdarby@charter.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: fdarby
Subject: Re: HDS spring gear
Good Morning Brandon,
The standard gear on my purchased HD did not function properly. Maximum travel
on the right main after 30 landings was 1/16 of and inch and the left main
was 1/8. The factory calls for 1/2 inch travel, so I obviously had a problem.
The rigid gear made my plane handle very poorly on the ground and was nothing
short of painful to land. My solution ( which was understandably not blessed
by Zac ) was to add spring gear to my plane. I contacted Robby Grove at Grove
Aircraft for assistance. He and his entire staff where a pure pleasure to work
with. He proved to be not only very knowledgeable but was eager to assist a layman
in the design of a new system. I used his spring gear, wheels and brakes.
His machine work is impeccable. The planes ground manners are infinitely better
and she lands like a bird and stops like a Ferrari. I am extremely pleased
with the conversion. I have a little over 100 landings on the new gear and all
is well so far.
The weight issue is a little more difficult to answer. The plane was down for
several weeks while converting the gear. During that time I removed the ailerons
and converted them to full length piano hinges, replaced the interior and
added a little DigiTrack auto pilot. I also removed some baggage compartments
the previous owner had put in the back as well as a ballast rack that was in
the tail. The gear that Robby designed for my plane was not as heavy as the gear
used on the XL ( note: he makes the gear for Zac's XL kits ). My plane gained
a total of 9 lbs going from 714 to 723 lbs. It is important to remember, that
I also add 5X500 wheels and brakes which are considerably heaver than the
standard. I believe if you kept the original wheels and brakes ( not suggested
) you could come very close to breaking even weight wise.
I am not implying that the original gear system is in any way deficient, mine
simply did not function as designed and the spring gear was my answer to the
problem at hand. The piano hinges where added to ease the work load of the auto
pilot. The plane as designed is extremely impressive and I do not want to leave
the impression that I am trying to improve the wheel. I have sent a couple
of pictures of the spring gear to be posted to the list so you can get an idea
of what I am talking about. Brandon, I hope this information is helpful to
you. If I can be of further service please don't hesitate to contact me.
Remember to keep the blue side up, Frank Darby
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William Herren" <wmdherren@hotmail.com>
There are advantages for the Zenith designs that may increase their resale
value soon. Sport Pilot is something to consider. Many of the Zenith
designs can meet SP rules. None of the current RVs can qualify. For me it
was a no brainer. Years ago there was a saying - we're all just one medical
from being ultralight pilots. It looks like there will be a great
opportunity for lost medical pilots to fly again.
Bill In Lousyana XL Rudder only till the rule is written.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
Make 4 nut strips for each bungee box ! Parts are available from Zenith or
figure out the bill of materials and go elsewhere. I got the strip stuff
after my Zodie Rocket got hit by a drunk driver and I had to replace the rt.
gear.
Leo Corbalis
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: HDS 601 On Flight Sim... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brian Caithcart" <bcaithcart@hotmail.com>
Michel
This doesn't answer your question but I downloaded the HD and HDS files and
fly them both on the Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator. Imagine an HDS with
cannons, machine guns, rockets, and bombs, and an unlimited supply of ammo.
Despite the slower speed I can toast the ME-109's every time they come at
me! (better maneuverability) Weight and balance doesn't matter.
Brian Caithcart
CH601HD/corvair
building from plans do not archive
>From: "Royer, Michel" <RoyerM@tc.gc.ca>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: "Zenith-List@Matronics.Com (E-mail)" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: HDS 601 On Flight Sim...
>Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:24:56 -0400
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Royer, Michel" <RoyerM@tc.gc.ca>
>
>As of curiosity, as I'm still building and not flown the real thing yet.
>Has anyone of you tried the Trike 601 HDS with Flight Sim 2002 and
>the downloadable 601 available on the Zenith Web site????????\\
>
>How far from reality for the ones that has tried it??????
>
>Thx
> > Michel Royer
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Planning & Moving maps free |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randall Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
If you have a Magellan 315 or 320, you can go to
http://home.stny.rr.com/bkw/315/ and download an aviation database for free.
It requires some software and a data cable. It's not exactly a moving map,
but it gets you there.
Randy Stout - San Antonio TX
CH601HD N282RS
r5t0ut@earthlink.net
http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zodie Rocket" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: Flight Planning & Moving maps free
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
>
> For those of you getting close to flight testing and panel planning have
> a look at these sites. I just downloaded them and feel that you get a
> lot more then you thought you would for free.
> This is just for information purpose.
>
> Mark Townsend
> 601XL EA-82 MPFI Turbo
>
> Here is a company that offers a FREE moving map
> http://www.pocketfms.com and they also get their data from DAFIF. Is
> there anyone out there already working on this approach? It seems
> almost too good to be true. Updates every 28 days and it's free.
>
>
> Here you can get free digital chart info. this company
> http://www.winpilot.com/vfr/generalvfr.asp uses the DAFIF free info
> for its moving map display. and there is a free DAFIF viewer located
> here http://www.esri.com/software/arcexplorer/download2.htm just
> simply register and it's free. The free DAFIF digital chart info is
> suppose to be as good as Jeppensen
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 front wing struts |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Shay King" <shaking@eircom.net>
Dear Listers,
Is there anyone out there who has gotten the one piece wing struts for the 701
from the Czech Aircraft Works. If so, I want to know if your front struts are
handed, i.e. one made for the right side and the other made for the left side.
The plans show the strut end plates inline, which means the struts should be interchangeable,
left or right. My struts have the end plates offset 3 degrees,
one to the left and the other to the right. This makes one strut fit the right
side perfectly and the other strut fit the left side perfectly, but they are
not interchangeable.
This would not be a problem, except I made a mistake drilling the holes for the
jury struts in the left wing struts. I ordered new wing struts for the left
side, and when they arrived the front strut will fit the right side of my a/c
but not the left where I need it.
If someone with these one piece 701 wing struts from CZAW could check their end
plate alignment and let me know the result I'd be grateful. The factory response
is that the endplates are not offset and that the front strut should fit
either side.
Regards,
Shay King. 701/912S Nearly finished.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
I sold my Cessna 150 to buy my 601HD kit. I must admit that when I looked
at the pile of sheet metal (in place of my plane) I was convinced of my
insanity at the time. Now that it is finished, I have no regrets. The
plane burns a little more than half the fuel of the 150, yet feels like it
has more zip. Cruise speeds aren't all that different, but takeoff and
climb performance are much better in the 601. All that said, the canopy is
absolutely the best feature of the Zodiac. All the time I used to spend
peering around the front columns and lifting the wings to look side-to-side
is replaced with sitting back and seeing the world in front of me. I used
to think that flying tended to give me stiff necks. Actually I found that
it was flying a 150 that gave me stiff necks.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Kit Planes
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Faster cruise?...Are you sure about that?
>
> Its been a while since I flew a 152 but I thought it did a little better
> than the 110mph of the HDS (well of MY HDS anyway).
>
> Even if it is faster, the point is its is similar (on paper at least) at
> less money and the 152 does not APPEAR to lose value as fast.
>
> At 2/3rds the price (and zero building time) it makes the 601 a tough
> financial choice to many folks.
>
> Frank
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Polstra [mailto:ppolstra@mindspring.com]
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Kit Planes
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra"
> --> <ppolstra@mindspring.com>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
> >In fact considering that a good used 152 can be had for less than $20k,
> >Vs $30+ for the 601 and it gets real hard. Mind you, with 100Hp the
> >152/172 owners think we have rocket ships when
> they
> >watch us take off!
>
>
> You can't even compare a CH601HDS or a CH601XL to a clunky old Cessna.
> Faster climb, cruise, better payload, and half the fuel load, not to
mention
> more comfort. That's why I'm selling shares in the CH601XL, Alarus
CH2000,
> and CH640 at my flight school, but not in a Cessna.
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> Share: Share photos & files with other List members.
>
>
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| Subject: | My progress so far |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
Well, I've finally made sufficient progress that I'm now willing to share it with
the world. So for those interested in seeing some pictures of my airplane,
here is my website:
http://bill.howerton.com/zodiac/zodiac_main.htm
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