---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/25/03: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:34 AM - 701 for sale anyone? (Larry H Sirmans) 2. 04:42 AM - Re: wing tanks (Mark Townsend) 3. 05:32 AM - Oshkosh (Dave Alberti) 4. 07:09 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Ed Kramer) 5. 07:09 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Aaron) 6. 08:29 AM - Re: Oshkosh (David Barth) 7. 09:39 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Michel Therrien) 8. 09:41 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Michel Therrien) 9. 09:45 AM - Extinguisher (Michel Therrien) 10. 10:52 AM - Re: Extinguisher (erictauch@comcast.net) 11. 10:56 AM - Re: Extinguisher (Leo J. Corbalis) 12. 11:53 AM - Re: Extinguisher (Hal Rozema) 13. 11:54 AM - Re: Extinguisher (Bill Howerton) 14. 11:55 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Larry McFarland) 15. 01:54 PM - Re: Extinguisher (Michel Therrien) 16. 01:56 PM - Re: Extinguisher (Michel Therrien) 17. 02:05 PM - Oshkosh (Virgil Zetterlind) 18. 02:09 PM - Re: Extinguisher (Michel Therrien) 19. 02:47 PM - Re: Oshkosh (John Montgomery) 20. 03:20 PM - Re: Oshkosh (caspainhower@aep.com) 21. 04:42 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Ed Kramer) 22. 05:27 PM - Re: Extinguisher (caspainhower@aep.com) 23. 06:31 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Jeff & Marcia Davidson) 24. 06:39 PM - ZAC newsletter - cool stuff! (Carlos Sa) 25. 07:12 PM - Lost my medical....! (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com) 26. 07:14 PM - Lunch w/ Chris & Mattieu Heintz (Philip Polstra) 27. 09:15 PM - Re: Lost my medical....! (Mark Townsend) 28. 09:25 PM - Re: ZAC newsletter - cool stuff! (Ray Montagne) 29. 09:40 PM - Re: ZAC newsletter - cool stuff! (wizard-24@juno.com) 30. 11:37 PM - Re: ZAC newsletter - cool stuff! (Ray Montagne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:07 AM PST US From: "Larry H Sirmans" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 for sale anyone? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry H Sirmans" I am looking for a used 701 or an uncompleted kit for sale? If anyone has one or know of one, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Regards, Larry Sirmans ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:08 AM PST US From: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: wing tanks --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Sorry List that last message was supposed to be private. Do not archive Mark Townsend 601XL EA-82MPFI Turbo Alma, Ontario -----Original Message----- --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Kind of a let down when you discover that your Guru isn't perfect isn't it. Mark -----Original Message----- Just wait until I talk to Gary. So has anyone made any glass or epoxy tanks for the XL? David ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:50 AM PST US From: "Dave Alberti" Subject: Zenith-List: Oshkosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" Anyone going to Oshkosh this year? I haven't seen any chatter on the list. Dave do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:07 AM PST US From: "Ed Kramer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oshkosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" > Anyone going to Oshkosh this year? I haven't seen any chatter on the list. Dave, I was thinking the same thing. I'll be there from Sunday for 7-days. Hope to see the gang at the Zenith Dinner. I'll be camping at Camp Scholler with a large group (about 50) from EAA Chapter 46. Our site is at Lindburgh & 38th, under the big party tent, stop by for a visit. Ed Kramer West Seneca, NY CH 701 edair701@adelphia.net Build Status: Rudder completed Left wing complete Right wing 95% Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Alberti" Subject: Zenith-List: Oshkosh > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" > > > Anyone going to Oshkosh this year? I haven't seen any chatter on the list. > > Dave > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:24 AM PST US From: "Aaron" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oshkosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" > Anyone going to Oshkosh this year? I haven't seen any chatter on the list. Me. Aaron Iron Mountain MI & builders dinner 601 HDTD plans Soob DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:54 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oshkosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Mark Townsend and I are planning to be there for the ZAC dinner on Thursday night and spend Friday and Saturday at the event. I guess we'll see you at Robins. David > > Anyone going to Oshkosh this year? I haven't seen > any chatter on the > list. ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder Still making parts. Nose Ribs Done and about half the rear ribs for the wings. Stab and elevator waiting for skins. Flaps, ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection. __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:52 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oshkosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien My son and I are going. We'll be walking (OK, after a few hours of flight :-). So, unless we find someone to carry us to the ZAC dinner, we may not join. Michel --- David Barth wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth > > > Mark Townsend and I are planning to be there for the > ZAC dinner on Thursday night and spend Friday and > Saturday at the event. I guess we'll see you at > Robins. > David > > > > > Anyone going to Oshkosh this year? I haven't > seen > > any chatter on the > > list. > __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:06 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oshkosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Hi Ed, I'll try to see you there. I'll be with my 9-year son. --- Ed Kramer wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" > > > > Anyone going to Oshkosh this year? I haven't seen > any chatter on the > list. > > Dave, > I was thinking the same thing. I'll be there from > Sunday for 7-days. Hope to > see the gang at the Zenith Dinner. I'll be camping > at Camp Scholler with a > large group (about 50) from EAA Chapter 46. Our site > is at Lindburgh & 38th, > under the big party tent, stop by for a visit. > > Ed Kramer > West Seneca, NY > CH 701 > edair701@adelphia.net > Build Status: > Rudder completed > Left wing complete > Right wing 95% > Do Not Archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Alberti" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Oshkosh > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" > > > > > > > Anyone going to Oshkosh this year? I haven't seen > any chatter on the > list. > > > > Dave > > do not archive > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:33 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Zenith-List: Extinguisher --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Hello Gang, I read all the messages on this topic, but I'm still unclear about bracket requirements for the extinguisher. I was planning on using a small (1 lb) 2B-C kitchen extinguisher available at Canadian Tire. This one has a plastic bracket. My inspector insists that the extinguisher be held in place by a steel bracket. I don't know how many G's he wants the bracket to hold, but I tried pushing pretty hard on that plastic one and it did not fail (around 20-30 lbs). Any opinions? If anyone made a steel bracket, please let me know how you did that. Michel--installing fuselage fairings outside in my backyard :-) ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:19 AM PST US From: erictauch@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Extinguisher --> Zenith-List message posted by: erictauch@comcast.net Hello, I dont know what a 2B-C unit is, but I remember reading about a guy who deployed one of those "yellow chalky" types in his cockpit in flight, and the resulting yellow cloud obscured his vision for some time. Be careful about what type you choose... (2B-C ??). Eric > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien > > Hello Gang, > > I read all the messages on this topic, but I'm still > unclear about bracket requirements for the > extinguisher. I was planning on using a small (1 lb) > 2B-C kitchen extinguisher available at Canadian Tire. > This one has a plastic bracket. > > My inspector insists that the extinguisher be held in > place by a steel bracket. I don't know how many G's > he wants the bracket to hold, but I tried pushing > pretty hard on that plastic one and it did not fail > (around 20-30 lbs). > > Any opinions? If anyone made a steel bracket, please > let me know how you did that. > > Michel--installing fuselage fairings outside in my > backyard :-) > > > ===== > ---------------------------- > Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby > > __________________________________ > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:26 AM PST US From: "Leo J. Corbalis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Extinguisher --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Therrien" > > I read all the messages on this topic, but I'm still > unclear about bracket requirements for the > extinguisher. I was planning on using a small (1 lb) > 2B-C kitchen extinguisher available at Canadian Tire. > This one has a plastic bracket. If that is a pressurized powder type, it will do more damage than the fire. The powder is corrosive. I have a small Halon type that comes with a steel mount. Leo Corbalis do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:04 AM PST US From: Hal Rozema Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Extinguisher --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema Not a good choice. Halogen recommended for aircraft use. check it out with EAA or some other experts. Dry powder extinguishers can raise havoc with equipment and not good to breath in a confined space Hal theplanefolks.net Michel Therrien wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien > > Hello Gang, > > I read all the messages on this topic, but I'm still > unclear about bracket requirements for the > extinguisher. I was planning on using a small (1 lb) > 2B-C kitchen extinguisher available at Canadian Tire. > This one has a plastic bracket. > > My inspector insists that the extinguisher be held in > place by a steel bracket. I don't know how many G's > he wants the bracket to hold, but I tried pushing > pretty hard on that plastic one and it did not fail > (around 20-30 lbs). > > Any opinions? If anyone made a steel bracket, please > let me know how you did that. > > Michel--installing fuselage fairings outside in my > backyard :-) > > ===== > ---------------------------- > Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby > > __________________________________ > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:28 AM PST US From: "Bill Howerton" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Extinguisher --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" Halon??? I hope you're not planning on using it to put out a cockpit fire in-flight! You're right, in that Halon extinguishers are not corrosive to your aircraft, but because they work by displacing the oxygen in the air, they are not recommended for use in closed confines occupied by oxygen-breathing mammals. This is especially true of the older Halon types (such as 1211) which in addition to oxygen displacement, they produce toxic gasses. While limited exposure (say up to 15% concentration) is survivable, it will still bring on hypoxic symptoms. Higher concentrations - such as those you would likely produce if you use it in a small closed cockpit could very well bring on asphyxiation. So while you might be successful in putting out the fire, you really won't like the after-affects. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo J. Corbalis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Extinguisher > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michel Therrien" > > > > I read all the messages on this topic, but I'm still > > unclear about bracket requirements for the > > extinguisher. I was planning on using a small (1 lb) > > 2B-C kitchen extinguisher available at Canadian Tire. > > This one has a plastic bracket. > > If that is a pressurized powder type, it will do more damage than the fire. > The powder is corrosive. I have a small Halon type that comes with a steel > mount. > > Leo Corbalis > > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:49 AM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oshkosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Alberti" Subject: Zenith-List: Oshkosh > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" > > > Anyone going to Oshkosh this year? I haven't seen any chatter on the list. > > Dave > do not archive Dave, I intend to be at Oshkosh Thursday the 31st and Friday the 1st to just take pics and check out new engines and stuff. Home base for me will be near Galley's Chapter 75 Repair Tent both days. Larry C. McFarland - 601hds do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:04 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Extinguisher --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien I kind of agree with this. Halon extinguishers are the norm for aircrafts (except that they are not much available in Canada now). Some new stuff like FE-36 replace Halon, but they weight twice as much for the same effectiveness. I was told that the problem with a Halon extinguisher in a CH601 is that there is too much ventilation in this aircraft. Halon absorbs oxygen, which supports fire (not me speaking as the expert, but that's what's been told to me by some who pretend to be). So, if you're in a sealed cabin, then you are also out of O2. But if there is too much ventilation, the extinguisher is ineffective. Does this make sense? I know that when they installed the fire suppression system (a Halon system) in the computer room of my previous employer, they sealed the computer room and pressure tested it. An extinguisher representative told me that the major problem with a powder extinguisher will be that it's gonna produce a cloud that will imper visibility. He also said that if the canopy is humid, the powder will stick to it. So, it seems it may be more convenient to land and then take care of the fire.... OUCH! Michel --- Hal Rozema wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema > > > Not a good choice. Halogen recommended for aircraft > use. ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:24 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Extinguisher --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien I've been told (by the same "expert" I mentioned in my previous posting) that the "A" component of an "ABC" extinguisher is highly corrosive. This would not be the case with the 2B-C extinguisher I mentioned in my original posting. Does this make sense? Still, the powder will create a huge mess. --- "Leo J. Corbalis" wrote: > If that is a pressurized powder type, it will do > more damage than the fire. > The powder is corrosive. I have a small Halon type > that comes with a steel > mount. ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:39 PM PST US From: Virgil Zetterlind Subject: Zenith-List: Oshkosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: Virgil Zetterlind My father and I will have our CH-701 on amphib floats at the seaplane base from Monday - Thursday next week. We're planning to be at the base most mornings and evenings. I'll have my cell-phone # posted on the International Pavilion message board (near the IAC building on the flightline) under Portugal if anyone wants to arrange to see the airplane. It is an early CH701 with the standard Zenair floats, pneumatic gear, and a Rotax 912A engine. Virgil and Larry Zetterlind N701ST ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:22 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Extinguisher --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien A B and C refer to the type (class) of fire that can be handled by the extinguisher. A refers to paper, wood or such fires B refers to fires supported by combustibles C refers to electrical fires The number before a letter represents a unit of size (effectiveness of the extinguisher for a class of fire). The dry powder works by insulating the combustible under fire from the oxygen that supports the fire (to have a fire, three things are needed, oxygen, a combustible and heat). Michel --- erictauch@comcast.net wrote: >(2B-C ?? ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:13 PM PST US From: John Montgomery <1arm@rogers.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oshkosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Montgomery <1arm@rogers.com> Bad luck that the Zenith dinner is the same night as the EAA homebuilder dinner. I was hoping to attend both. I'm camping in Scholler all week with a couple of other EAA245 members. Does Zenith have a shuttle or something to Robbins for people like us who don't have wheels? John M. Ottawa, Canada 601XL plans, rudder done, horiz stab underway. Michel Therrien wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien > >My son and I are going. We'll be walking (OK, after a >few hours of flight :-). So, unless we find someone to >carry us to the ZAC dinner, we may not join. > >Michel > > >--- David Barth wrote: > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth >> >> >>Mark Townsend and I are planning to be there for the >>ZAC dinner on Thursday night and spend Friday and >>Saturday at the event. I guess we'll see you at >>Robins. >>David >> >> >>>>Anyone going to Oshkosh this year? I haven't >>>> >>seen >> >>>any chatter on the >>>list. >>> > >__________________________________ >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oshkosh From: caspainhower@aep.com 07/25/2003 06:19:24 PM --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com Anyone going to Oshkosh this year? I haven't seen any chatter on the list. I'm planning on being there Tuesday the 29th. Weather permitting I'll fly my '65 172, it'll get me into vintage parking. The builders I was with at the workshop had talked about going to the Zenith booth and putting our names on a list so we would know who was there. I will miss the builders dinner unfortunately. : - { Craig S. 601 XL This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:14 PM PST US From: "Ed Kramer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oshkosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Montgomery" <1arm@rogers.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oshkosh >> Does Zenith have a shuttle or something to Robbins for people like us > who don't have wheels? John, When you sign up for the dinner at Zenith's booth note that you need a ride on the sheet and sometimes you can luck into one. I need a ride as well. Ed Kramer West Seneca, NY CH 701 edair701@adelphia.net Build Status: Rudder completed Left wing complete Right wing 95% do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Extinguisher From: caspainhower@aep.com 07/25/2003 08:26:24 PM --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com Halon??? I hope you're not planning on using it to put out a cockpit fire in-flight! Halon is essentially the same chemical as freon. CO2 works by displacing oxygen, halon is an oxidation inhibitor, which is not the same. It interferes with the oxidation process and is far more effective than CO2 in an enclosed or ventilated area. You do not need to displace all the O2 in your cockpit to put out a fire with halon, it is very effective. Halon 1301 has low toxicity (1211 does indeed break down into toxic components) and is recommeded for small aircraft, but it will displace O2, so once it is used it needs to be ventilated. It is also an A, B, C, type of extinguisher. NFPA 408 is the standard for aircraft hand portable fire extingushers and can be viewed online. I'm not a fireman but I do work on fire suppression systems and am trained in the use of chemical, CO2 and portable halon fire extinguishers. I will have a halon fire extinguisher in my cockpit. I do not suggest anyone take my advice without doing the research yourself. The proper fire suppression equipment too important not to make an informed decision (especially at 12,000'). Craig S. This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:35 PM PST US From: "Jeff & Marcia Davidson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oshkosh --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff & Marcia Davidson" > When you sign up for the dinner at Zenith's booth note that you need a > ride on the sheet and sometimes you can luck into one. I need a ride as > well. Marcia and I will be attending Oshkosh and staying in the dorms. We will have a rental car. When I register for the builder's dinner I'll check for anyone who needs a ride. Please leave me a way to contact you. A cell phone number would be great. I'll be able to take 2 or 3. And I multiple trips may be OK too. Jeff Davidson ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:23 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Zenith-List: ZAC newsletter - cool stuff! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Hello, listers I just received this newsletter from ZAC, and thought it would be of interested, in particular: 1) Air Venture info 2) Dual sticks for the XL! ############################ From: info@zenithair.com Subject: Zodiac Kit Aircraft Update ZODIAC Enthusiasts: We're off to the annual EAA Airventure fly-in (Oshkosh, WI - July 29 - August 4). Once again, we'll be located in the North Aircraft Display (booths 424, 425, 430 & 431) area at Airventure and look forward to the opportunity of meeting with you and showing you the aircraft. Designer Chris Heintz has "forum" lectures scheduled daily during AirVenture (see below for schedule). Our popular annual Builders' Dinner has been scheduled for Thursday, July 31. Sign up for the dinner at the Zenith Aircraft booth. For complete details: http://www.zenithair.com/news/oshkosh2003.html We're introducing two new ZODIAC XL features at AirVenture: Dual Control Sticks Option and the Tail-Wheel (taildragger) Gear Configuration. The Dual Control Sticks Option is available to builders wanting to equip their ZODIAC kitplane with dual sticks instead of the single center stick. The trademark Heintz Y-stick has been popular for more than 20 years now in many Heintz designs, but some pilots have indicated a preference for more conventional dual control sticks. Complete Details: http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/update.html Many industry insiders tell us to expect the FAA to announce some concrete news about the progress of its Sport Pilot license proposal. For up-to-date news about the new license and aircraft category: http://www.sportpilot.org Also coming up this summer: 12th Annual Zenith Aircraft Co. OPEN HANGAR DAY: Saturday, August 23 at the Zenith Aircraft factory in Mexico, Missouri. Details: http://www.zenithair.com/news/oh2003.html Our factory workshops continue to be very popular with new kit builders, and typically fill up a month in advance. We've added a second workshop for the month of August. The workshop is held right at our factory in Mexico, Missouri, and allows participants to gain hands-on building experience, tour the factory, and fly in the ZODIAC! At the workshop, you start actual construction of your ZODIAC by building the vertical tail section (rudder). If you can't attend a factory workshop, we can send the complete Rudder Started Kit for just $300.00. Workshop space is limited so register early to reserve your space! Next available workshop dates: August 14 & 15 and September 25 & 26, 2003 http://www.zenithair.com/workshop.htm Photos and New Builder Completions: Check out our new photo galleries to see just some of the most recent ZODIAC kit completions: For the latest additions from the past few weeks, go to: http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo59.html Current ZODIAC kit availability: Delivery lead time is currently 5 weeks for complete kit orders, and about 4 weeks for component kit orders. http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/xl-price.html If you don't already have a copy of our complete Information Kit, we invite you to order your copy today - it contains over 50 pages of detailed information, photos and illustrations about building your own ZODIAC kit aircraft. The $35 kit also includes a professional Demo Video. To order your packet, call us at 573-581-9000 (Mon-Fri 8-5 central); or order online from our secure server: http://www.zenithair.com/onlinestore/info-order-zodiac.html Feel free to contact us should we be able to provide you with any additional information about building and flying your ZODIAC kit airplane. ZENITH AIRCRAFT COMPANY Tel: 573-581-9000 (Mon - Fri., 8-5 Central) Fax: 573-581-0011 http://www.zenithair.com Write us at: Zenith Aircraft Company Mexico Memorial Airport, PO Box 650 Mexico, Missouri, 65265 USA //// Presentations by Chris Heintz at EAA Oshkosh AirVenture: 7/29 - 11:30 AM - 12:45 PM - Light Aircraft Riveting and Sheet Metal Construction 7/30 - 1:00 PM - 2:15 PM - Design For High Lift and S.T.O.L. Performance 7/31 - 2:30 PM - 3:00 PM - Designing Light Aircraft For Performance And Efficiency (LSA) 8/1 - 11:30 AM - 12:45 PM - Basics Of Light Aircraft Riveting 8/2 - 11:30 AM - 12:45 PM - Riveting and Sheet Metal Construction For First Time Builders Check actual program for location and any last minute changes or updates. http://www.airventure.org/forums/presenter.asp?EventID=12&PresenterID=570 This message is sent as a service to ZODIAC enthusiasts by Zenith Aircraft Co. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:44 PM PST US From: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Lost my medical....! --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com Well, It's official. The flight surgeon has formally told me I'm not to fly. Due to my recent surgeries. Also due to the fact that I'm on Cummadin. (Hyper-coagular disorder) They don't think that I will quallify for a waiver. The appeal proccesscould take 6 months to a year. So I've decided to sell my plane. Perhaps build an XL and hope that the sport pilot classification is made into a rule. I will be posting the airplanes specs and my asking price in a couple of days. I hope to find her a good home. John W. Tarabocchia http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:06 PM PST US From: "Philip Polstra" Subject: Zenith-List: Lunch w/ Chris & Mattieu Heintz --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" I ended up having lunch with Chris & Mattieu Heintz today. They were both down at the AMD factory, and I was getting some maintenance done on my fleet of Alarus CH2000's. I think LSA is going to be huge for Zenith & AMD. I'm hoping to get some Zodiac XL's for my flight school once LSA is passed. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:26 PM PST US From: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Lost my medical....! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> John, Sorry to hear about the medical. But I have a question for you. Instead of building a whole new plane like the XL ( although there are many reasons for doing so) why not just build a set of HD wings for your plane or trade someone your HDS wings for HD one's From my understanding the 601HD is a shoe in for the sport plane category. Mark Townsend 601XL EA-82MPFI Turbo Alma, Ontario -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ZodiacBuilder@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Lost my medical....! --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com Well, It's official. The flight surgeon has formally told me I'm not to fly. Due to my recent surgeries. Also due to the fact that I'm on Cummadin. (Hyper-coagular disorder) They don't think that I will quallify for a waiver. The appeal proccesscould take 6 months to a year. So I've decided to sell my plane. Perhaps build an XL and hope that the sport pilot classification is made into a rule. I will be posting the airplanes specs and my asking price in a couple of days. I hope to find her a good home. John W. Tarabocchia http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ZAC newsletter - cool stuff! From: Ray Montagne --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne On 7/25/03 6:38 PM, "Carlos Sa" wrote: > 1) Air Venture info > 2) Dual sticks for the XL! > Roger from ZAC told me at Arlington that the tail dragger option will be able to be retrofitted to existing XL. Ordered the dual stick on-line today! DO NOT ACHIVE Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA =========================================================================== Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL, Jabiru 3300 Construction Log & Photos: Build Status: Rudder completed Elevator Completed Stabilizer Completed Flaps Completed Ailerons Completed Right Wing Under Completed Right Wing Tip Completed Left Wing Under Construction =========================================================================== ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ZAC newsletter - cool stuff! From: wizard-24@juno.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > I just received this newsletter from ZAC What the heck is that newsletter? Never heard that ZAC offers one via email, and I've beena builders for almost 4 years. And -- if they're set up that way, why wouldn't they use that media to update builders on changes/updates to plans, etc? Maybe someone can bring that up at the builders dinner at Osh.... The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ZAC newsletter - cool stuff! From: Ray Montagne --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne On 7/25/03 9:42 PM, "wizard-24@juno.com" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > > >> I just received this newsletter from ZAC I signed on through the builder web page registration. If you go to their web page for your model airplane (go to http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/index.html for the XL for example) and you'll see a link on the left for "Builders On the Net". Click that link and register for access. Once your registered then you'll be able to access the newsletter registration. DO NOT ACHIVE Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA =========================================================================== Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL, Jabiru 3300 Construction Log & Photos: Build Status: Rudder completed Elevator Completed Stabilizer Completed Flaps Completed Ailerons Completed Right Wing Under Completed Right Wing Tip Completed Left Wing Under Construction ===========================================================================