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1. 10:01 AM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com)
2. 10:08 AM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (Carlos Sa)
3. 10:19 AM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com)
4. 10:41 AM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (Rick Pitcher)
5. 11:00 AM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (Carlos Sa)
6. 11:12 AM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com)
7. 11:14 AM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com)
8. 11:18 AM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com)
9. 11:43 AM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (Carlos Sa)
10. 12:03 PM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
11. 12:19 PM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com)
12. 01:51 PM - Landing Gear Axle Error (charles.long@gm.com)
13. 02:29 PM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (Mark Townsend)
14. 02:30 PM - Re: Landing Gear Axle Error (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
15. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: (Jackie B. Johnson)
16. 05:01 PM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com)
17. 05:19 PM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (Gary Gower)
18. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: (Larry McFarland)
19. 06:43 PM - DUH!!! (Jeff Small)
20. 06:57 PM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (Ed)
21. 07:43 PM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com)
22. 08:58 PM - Re: Scratch built wing tanks (Rick Pitcher)
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch built wing tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
In a message dated 7/27/2003 3:13:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
carlosfsa@yahoo.com writes:
> I'll be building the wing tanks (601 HD) in the coming weeks, and I have a
> question:
>
> How have you built the sides? Did you make a forming block smaller than the
> nose ribs forming
> block by 3 mm (1/8") all around (to allow for the cork thickness)? Or...?
>
> Any other hints and tips would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Carlos
> CH601-HD
> Tail feathers done, wing spars done, working on wings.
>
>
Wet wing the nose skin. You will save yourseft a ton to headaches.
John W. Tarabocchia
http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch built wing tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hi, John
It sounds like an interesting approach, but how would you go about this approach?
Carlos
> Wet wing the nose skin. You will save yourseft a ton to headaches.
>
> John W. Tarabocchia
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch built wing tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
In a message dated 7/29/2003 1:09:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
carlosfsa@yahoo.com writes:
> It sounds like an interesting approach, but how would you go about this
> approach?
>
> Carlos
>
How far alone with the wing construction are you? Also, are you building
from scratch or kit?
John W. Tarabocchia
http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch built wing tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
ZodiacBuilder@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
>
> Wet wing the nose skin. You will save yourseft a ton to headaches.
>
> John W. Tarabocchia
>
> http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder
Wet wing might sound like an easy way to go, but I've chased enough fuel
leaks to know that I wouldn't want to do it on my airplane.
You have to get everything REALLY clean before sealing, then I would
recommend using solid rivets, not the blind rivets that we like so much.
The tanks might leak-check OK at first, but after a little flexing you
could find yourself looking at fuel seeping out under your wings. Then
you'd be drilling off the skins and starting over. You can't fix a fuel
leak in an integral fuel tank from the outside, it has to be stopped
from inside the tank.
I'd go ahead and weld the tanks or buy them from ZAC and be done with it.
Rick P.
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch built wing tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
I'm building from scratch, have the spars done, ribs done.
I am about to put things together, build tanks, etc....
Carlos
>
> How far alone with the wing construction are you? Also, are you building
> from scratch or kit?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch built wing tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
In a message dated 7/29/2003 1:42:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rick.pitcher@verizon.net writes:
> Wet wing might sound like an easy way to go, but I've chased enough fuel
> leaks to know that I wouldn't want to do it on my airplane.
I met a fella at Sun-N-Fun that went through 3 of Zenairs welded tanks that
had leaks. He finally had to build his own and have them welded locally.
>
You need to do this even if your welding. Not an issue.
> recommend using solid rivets, not the blind rivets that we
> like so much.
I used avex sealed end rivet, Aircraft spruce, designed with this issue in
mind.
> You can't fix a fuel leak in an integral fuel tank from the outside, it has
> to be stopped
> from inside the tank.
All wet wing tanks have pro-sealed access panels so you can make a repair in
the unlikely even of a leak. That is if you take the time to seal it properly.
> I'd go ahead and weld the tanks or buy them from ZAC and be done with it.
Go back to my first answer..
>
> Rick P.
>
Good luck,
John W. Tarabocchia
http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch built wing tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
In a message dated 7/29/2003 2:01:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
carlosfsa@yahoo.com writes:
> I'm building from scratch, have the spars done, ribs done.
> I am about to put things together, build tanks, etc....
>
> Carlos
>
One more question and I will will make up a set of drawings for you to look
at.
Did you drill out the rivet holes for the nose ribs?
Give me a day or so....
John W. Tarabocchia
http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch built wing tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
In a message dated 7/29/2003 2:11:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Zodiac Builder
writes:
>
> >> Wet wing might sound like an easy way to go, but I've chased enough fuel
>>
>
> I met a fella at Sun-N-Fun that went through 3 of Zenairs welded tanks that
> had leaks. He finally had to build his own and have them welded locally.
>
> >>
>
> You need to do this even if your welding. Not an issue.
>
> then I would
> >>
>
> I used avex sealed end rivet, Aircraft spruce, designed with this issue in
> mind.
>
> >> You can't fix a fuel leak in an integral fuel tank from the outside, it
>> has to be stopped
>>
>
> All wet wing tanks have pro-sealed access panels so you can make a repair in
> the unlikely even of a leak. That is if you take the time to seal it
> properly.
>
> >>
>
> Go back to my first answer..
>
> >>
>> Rick P.
>>
>
John W. Tarabocchia
http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch built wing tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
No holes yet...
> One more question and I will will make up a set of drawings for you to look
> at.
> Did you drill out the rivet holes for the nose ribs?
>
> Give me a day or so....
>
> John W. Tarabocchia
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--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Scratch built wing tanks
I had one leak too. It appears the fold they put on the 'D' of the side of
the tank was bent a little sharply, leading to a fatigue fracture.
I simply welded over the area that was leaking, after inerting the tank with
washing up liquid and dry ice of course.
Frank
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From: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com [mailto:ZodiacBuilder@aol.com]
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scratch built wing tanks
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
In a message dated 7/29/2003 1:42:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rick.pitcher@verizon.net writes:
> Wet wing might sound like an easy way to go, but I've chased enough
> fuel
> leaks to know that I wouldn't want to do it on my airplane.
I met a fella at Sun-N-Fun that went through 3 of Zenairs welded tanks that
had leaks. He finally had to build his own and have them welded locally.
>
You need to do this even if your welding. Not an issue.
> recommend using solid rivets, not the blind rivets that we
> like so much.
I used avex sealed end rivet, Aircraft spruce, designed with this issue in
mind.
> You can't fix a fuel leak in an integral fuel tank from the outside,
> it has
> to be stopped
> from inside the tank.
All wet wing tanks have pro-sealed access panels so you can make a repair in
the unlikely even of a leak. That is if you take the time to seal it
properly.
> I'd go ahead and weld the tanks or buy them from ZAC and be done with
> it.
Go back to my first answer..
>
> Rick P.
>
Good luck,
John W. Tarabocchia
http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch built wing tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
In a message dated 7/29/2003 2:43:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
carlosfsa@yahoo.com writes:
> No holes yet...
>
Excellent.....Give me a day or so and I will put together some drawings, and
pictures of what I have done to my new ,under construction, HD wings.
The tanks in my HDS are pro-sealed intregal tanks. I have about 130 hrs in 2
years with them. Absolutely no problems and they were very easy to build.
My only regret was not wetting the wing bay. Cause if I do get a leak I will
have to drill the rivets in the tank cover top skin. As opposed to just
un-screwing a seal access panel under the wing.
John W. Tarabocchia
http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder
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| Subject: | Landing Gear Axle Error |
07/29/2003 04:49:55 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
Thanks everyone for your prompt suggestions. Will go with another
main gear style axle for the nose gear. Using the hollow tube for a tow
bar attachment sounds like a winner too.
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch built wing tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
John, when you have the plans drawn up would you mind sending me a copy
also. I'm interested in alternatives. Does this mean that you no longer have
a plane for sale? Hope so.
Mark Townsend
----- Original Message -----
From: <ZodiacBuilder@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scratch built wing tanks
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 7/29/2003 2:43:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> carlosfsa@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> > No holes yet...
> >
>
> Excellent.....Give me a day or so and I will put together some drawings,
and
> pictures of what I have done to my new ,under construction, HD wings.
>
> The tanks in my HDS are pro-sealed intregal tanks. I have about 130 hrs
in 2
> years with them. Absolutely no problems and they were very easy to build.
> My only regret was not wetting the wing bay. Cause if I do get a leak I
will
> have to drill the rivets in the tank cover top skin. As opposed to just
> un-screwing a seal access panel under the wing.
>
>
> John W. Tarabocchia
>
> http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Landing Gear Axle Error
Good choice...Thats what I should have done....Kicking the nose gear
wheelpant while pulling the plane by the prop hub over rough ground is so
un-elegent...:)
If you use a long cotter pin you should be able to bend it such that the tow
bar lugs slip in the ends of the tube.
A happy ending!
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: charles.long@gm.com [mailto:charles.long@gm.com]
Subject: Zenith-List: Landing Gear Axle Error
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
Thanks everyone for your prompt suggestions. Will go with another
main gear style axle for the nose gear. Using the hollow tube for a tow bar
attachment sounds like a winner too.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jackie B. Johnson" <zjohnson@ucnsb.net>
Larry,
Did my pictures make it to you?? If they didn't, and you're still
interestered, will try again..they were interupted during transit,so not
sure if you got them..will try again if you want..Re: rear radiator instl..
Jackie N5JZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
<larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> I'm looking at the cluttered hose end and sorting what might smooth it out
> Havn't gotten to the cowl yet, but it will see some rework.
> Kinda like the radiator back there though. It does hang out a bit,
> but in the middle of the belly, I think it actually looks better.
> Lord knows what kind of performance it'll yield.
>
> Larry
>
>
> > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Radiator cooling boost?
> > Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:08:56 -0700
> >
> > Interesting, It looks like there is a degree of lift as the air goes up
> and
> > over the top of the rad. I bet If you made a pressure recovery duct for
> the
> > inlet that this would work pretty well.
> >
> > Its just a shame it has to dangle down so much under the fuse. Have you
> > closed the gap next to the prop spinner as much as you can? If you think
> > about it you only need a very small opening for carb air and to carry
away
> > the exhaust heat.
> >
> >
> > Frank
>
> > Recently someone on the list suggested there was some air assist coming
> from
> > the rock guard on his radiator and I decided to try out louvers as rock
> > guard and air boost. Odd, that my feable attempts to do a tuft test
> proved
> > that more air can be had on the downside of that radiator. The kleenex
> > strips lifted well above the louvers with the fan set on high. Will be
> > interesting to see what happens at 100mph. Larry McFarland - 601hds @
> > www.macsmachine.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch built wing tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
In a message dated 7/29/2003 5:30:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
601xl@sympatico.ca writes:
> Does this mean that you no longer have
> a plane for sale? Hope so.
>
Good question......I need to do some more research.
John W. Tarabocchia
http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch built wing tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
John, Carlos an all,
Please keep this one IN the list, I will like to read it and will
appreciate very much your valuable imput.
This is my first experience wit AL planes, so most is new but great, we
are waiting our next project in a few days, a 601 XL. Mayble could
have wet tanks, who knows.
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S.
--- ZodiacBuilder@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 7/29/2003 1:42:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> rick.pitcher@verizon.net writes:
>
>
> > Wet wing might sound like an easy way to go, but I've chased enough
> fuel
> > leaks to know that I wouldn't want to do it on my airplane.
>
> I met a fella at Sun-N-Fun that went through 3 of Zenairs welded
> tanks that
> had leaks. He finally had to build his own and have them welded
> locally.
>
> >
>
> You need to do this even if your welding. Not an issue.
>
> > recommend using solid rivets, not the blind rivets that we
> > like so much.
>
> I used avex sealed end rivet, Aircraft spruce, designed with this
> issue in
> mind.
>
> > You can't fix a fuel leak in an integral fuel tank from the
> outside, it has
> > to be stopped
> > from inside the tank.
>
> All wet wing tanks have pro-sealed access panels so you can make a
> repair in
> the unlikely even of a leak. That is if you take the time to seal it
> properly.
>
> > I'd go ahead and weld the tanks or buy them from ZAC and be done
> with it.
>
> Go back to my first answer..
>
> >
> > Rick P.
> >
>
> Good luck,
>
> John W. Tarabocchia
>
> http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Jackie,
No, I havn't recieved any pictures yet, but do look forward to seeing them.
Do retry shooting them to me care of larrymc@qconline.com if you have
further trouble emailing. I really appreciate you're sending them.
Thanks again,
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie B. Johnson" <zjohnson@ucnsb.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jackie B. Johnson"
<zjohnson@ucnsb.net>
>
> Larry,
> Did my pictures make it to you?? If they didn't, and you're still
> interestered, will try again..they were interupted during transit,so not
> sure if you got them..will try again if you want..Re: rear radiator
instl..
> Jackie N5JZ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re:
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
> <larrymc@qconline.com>
> >
> > I'm looking at the cluttered hose end and sorting what might smooth it
out
> > Havn't gotten to the cowl yet, but it will see some rework.
> > Kinda like the radiator back there though. It does hang out a bit,
> > but in the middle of the belly, I think it actually looks better.
> > Lord knows what kind of performance it'll yield.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> > > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Radiator cooling boost?
> > > Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:08:56 -0700
> > >
> > > Interesting, It looks like there is a degree of lift as the air goes
up
> > and
> > > over the top of the rad. I bet If you made a pressure recovery duct
for
> > the
> > > inlet that this would work pretty well.
> > >
> > > Its just a shame it has to dangle down so much under the fuse. Have
you
> > > closed the gap next to the prop spinner as much as you can? If you
think
> > > about it you only need a very small opening for carb air and to carry
> away
> > > the exhaust heat.
> > >
> > >
> > > Frank
> >
> > > Recently someone on the list suggested there was some air assist
coming
> > from
> > > the rock guard on his radiator and I decided to try out louvers as
rock
> > > guard and air boost. Odd, that my feable attempts to do a tuft test
> > proved
> > > that more air can be had on the downside of that radiator. The
kleenex
> > > strips lifted well above the louvers with the fan set on high. Will
be
> > > interesting to see what happens at 100mph. Larry McFarland - 601hds @
> > > www.macsmachine.com
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Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:44:11 -0400
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
What part of
"When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response."
do some of you guys NOT understand? Failure to delete the unnecessary is downright
rude.
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch built wing tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed" <orion@silcom.com>
My thoughts on wet wings...similar to Rick I'm afraid. Not something I would
put on my plane simply because they will be a continual source of
aggravation (imho)
Don't wish to dampen enthusiasm...and to each his own. But my experience is
that wet wings are constructed a lot more solidly than the leading edge of a
Zenith. I can see that one solid landing and you could be chasing leaks for
a long time to come and may eventually have to fit separate tanks.
Bladder tanks suffer from chafing problems and (yes I have worked on
airplanes with bladder tanks) and lacing those isn't something one wants to
do very often either. Thankfully they are no longer the norm.
It would appear to be an ideal solution in many ways...and as "experimental"
I have no problem trying something new...but I do wonder about the
designer's thoughts on the issue...I'm sure the thought did cross his
mind...and yet he designed tanks to fit the space. Has anyone asked Chris
about wet wings?
I guess on looking at what is suggested my conclusion would be that any part
of an integral tank that is capable of being moved (by any means) is not
adequate to be an integral tank..period.
But then this is just my opinion...fwiw.
Ed 601hds/lyc
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
In a message dated 7/29/2003 9:58:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
orion@silcom.com writes:
> My thoughts on wet wings...similar to Rick I'm afraid. Not something I would
> put on my plane simply because they will be a continual source of
> aggravation (imho).
You are very entittled to your opinion. But will rebutt on some of your
points.
> that wet wings are constructed a lot more solidly than
> the leading edge of a Zenith.
>
I owned two production airplanes that had wet wings. They were not any more
solidly built than the Zodiac leading edge. The leading edge is very
strong..It is an itregal part of the wings strength.
I can see that one solid landing and you could be chasing leaks for
> a long time to come and may eventually have to fit separate tanks.
A landing hard enough to loosen a resin seal in your wings would reck the
rest of your airplane. Also a landing this hard would probably crack a weld too.
> I'm sure the thought did cross his mind...and yet he designed tanks to fit
> the space. Has anyone asked Chris
> about wet wings?
These tanks are just another accessory to generate profit. Wet tanks cost
1/10 of the price of Zenairs tanks.
>
> Ed 601hds/lyc
>
>
Wet wings are just another means of solving an engineering problem. Weighed
with the pros and cons of other tank systems out there, wet wings do offer a
reliable alternative.
John W. Tarabocchia
http:\\hometown.aol.com\Zodiacbuilder
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
ZodiacBuilder@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 7/29/2003 1:42:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> rick.pitcher@verizon.net writes:
>
>
>
>>Wet wing might sound like an easy way to go, but I've chased enough fuel
>>leaks to know that I wouldn't want to do it on my airplane.
>
>
> I met a fella at Sun-N-Fun that went through 3 of Zenairs welded tanks that
> had leaks. He finally had to build his own and have them welded locally.
>
>
>>
>
>
> You need to do this even if your welding. Not an issue.
>
>
>>recommend using solid rivets, not the blind rivets that we
>>like so much.
>
>
> I used avex sealed end rivet, Aircraft spruce, designed with this issue in
> mind.
>
>
>>You can't fix a fuel leak in an integral fuel tank from the outside, it has
>>to be stopped
>>from inside the tank.
>
>
> All wet wing tanks have pro-sealed access panels so you can make a repair in
> the unlikely even of a leak. That is if you take the time to seal it properly.
>
>
>>I'd go ahead and weld the tanks or buy them from ZAC and be done with it.
>
>
> Go back to my first answer..
>
>
>>Rick P.
>>
>
>
> Good luck,
Now just watch, I've probably jinxed myself and will end up getting
leaks in my ZAC welded tanks ;)
Rick P.
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