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1. 01:18 AM - Re: A poem (Phil & Michele Miller)
2. 05:55 AM - Re: (caspainhower@aep.com)
3. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
4. 05:26 PM - Re: "NONE" / History lessons (Fred Poor)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil & Michele Miller" <millerpg@ps.gen.nz>
Amen to that, Scott. A flying buddy and I are starting to plan a trip to
Mecca (er, Oshkosh) next year. Not such a big deal for you guys but
quite a lot further (and much more expensive) from here in the South
Pacific.
Cheers,
Phil Miller
New Zealand
701/912S
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Laughlin
Subject: Zenith-List: A poem
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
--> <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Here I sit all sad and downtrodden
Wishing I was there, over in Wisconsin
Checking my email- nothing but SPAM
My buddies are at Oshkosh, how sad I AM!
No Emails to see, I surf over to Ebay
And what do I find, what a surprise I say!
Someone has given up a dream and lots of fun,
Selling a partial kit of a CH701!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26438&
item=2426036386
For everyone unable to go to Oshkosh, have a good evening and lets plan
on
being there next year.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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08/01/2003 08:54:46 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>They did exhaust to the trailing edge...I don't know why the Americans
>didn't simply plaugerise the design when they stole the engine for the P51
>to make "the greatest fighter of WWII"....:)
>...I actually heard a teenage boy point to the P51 and make comparison to
>the Spit and say "of course that one was better than that one"...Of course
>dear boy but how much of it was your country's design?....:)
While the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine installed in the P-51 was superior to
the American designed Allison engine, it is probably incorrect to say the
design was "stolen". As I remember the Brits were getting the crap bombed
out of them, not the Americans, and the P-51 was a joint allied effort.
If the Spitfire was such a superior design they would have been using it
for escorting the American bombers, which took huge losses due to the ME's
and HE's, but that was what the P-51 was designed for (and was
successful). The American bombers were performing precision daylight bomb
raids while the Brits preferred bombing the countryside at night, if you
remember your history. Unfortunately, the "greatest fighter of WWII"
probably wasn't even Allied.
Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re:
Yes your probably right on the last point, I am frequently amazed at the
technology the "other side" had available...the ME 109's were fuel injected,
they had the ME 262 at the end of the way and the first ICBM...the V2 out of
which the Saturn 5 space machine came out of.
I would conceed heartily that the Brits "gave" the Americans the Merlin
design most willingly. It just amuses me no end when icon's of American
innovation turn out to be a good part British. Hey I'm a Brit working in
Oregon, what do you expect?
Last year I even had a guy at my desk telling me what an awesome piece of
American innovation the Harrier jump jet is...Whats more he was serious...:)
Frank
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From: caspainhower@aep.com [mailto:caspainhower@aep.com]
Subject: Zenith-List: Re:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>They did exhaust to the trailing edge...I don't know why the Americans
>didn't simply plaugerise the design when they stole the engine for the
>P51 to make "the greatest fighter of WWII"....:)
>...I actually heard a teenage boy point to the P51 and make comparison
>to the Spit and say "of course that one was better than that one"...Of
>course dear boy but how much of it was your country's design?....:)
While the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine installed in the P-51 was superior to
the American designed Allison engine, it is probably incorrect to say the
design was "stolen". As I remember the Brits were getting the crap bombed
out of them, not the Americans, and the P-51 was a joint allied effort. If
the Spitfire was such a superior design they would have been using it for
escorting the American bombers, which took huge losses due to the ME's and
HE's, but that was what the P-51 was designed for (and was
successful). The American bombers were performing precision daylight bomb
raids while the Brits preferred bombing the countryside at night, if you
remember your history. Unfortunately, the "greatest fighter of WWII"
probably wasn't even Allied.
Craig
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| Subject: | Re: "NONE" / History lessons |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor <fredspoor2002@yahoo.com>
I Love History-- I watch the History Channel, what
litle time I watch TV-- BUT, COULD YOU GUYS CONVERSE
WITH EACH OTHER DIRECTLY ON THIS MATTER and not send
it to the entire "list"???? and please don't tell me
about the "delete button", I know what it is for, as
I've been told before---- "fred" do not archive
--- owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
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> From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
> To: "'zenith-list@matronics.com'"
> <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re:
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:14:46 -0700
>
> Yes your probably right on the last point, I am
> frequently amazed at the
> technology the "other side" had available...the ME
> 109's were fuel injected,
> they had the ME 262 at the end of the way and the
> first ICBM...the V2 out of
> which the Saturn 5 space machine came out of.
>
> I would conceed heartily that the Brits "gave" the
> Americans the Merlin
> design most willingly. It just amuses me no end when
> icon's of American
> innovation turn out to be a good part British. Hey
> I'm a Brit working in
> Oregon, what do you expect?
>
> Last year I even had a guy at my desk telling me
> what an awesome piece of
> American innovation the Harrier jump jet is...Whats
> more he was serious...:)
>
> Frank
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: caspainhower@aep.com
> [mailto:caspainhower@aep.com]
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re:
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> caspainhower@aep.com
>
>
> >They did exhaust to the trailing edge...I don't
> know why the Americans
> >didn't simply plaugerise the design when they stole
> the engine for the
> >P51 to make "the greatest fighter of WWII"....:)
>
> >...I actually heard a teenage boy point to the P51
> and make comparison
> >to the Spit and say "of course that one was better
> than that one"...Of
> >course dear boy but how much of it was your
> country's design?....:)
>
> While the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine installed in the
> P-51 was superior to
> the American designed Allison engine, it is probably
> incorrect to say the
> design was "stolen". As I remember the Brits were
> getting the crap bombed
> out of them, not the Americans, and the P-51 was a
> joint allied effort. If
> the Spitfire was such a superior design they would
> have been using it for
> escorting the American bombers, which took huge
> losses due to the ME's and
> HE's, but that was what the P-51 was designed for
> (and was
> successful). The American bombers were performing
> precision daylight bomb
> raids while the Brits preferred bombing the
> countryside at night, if you
> remember your history. Unfortunately, the
> "greatest fighter of WWII"
> probably wasn't even Allied.
>
> Craig
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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