Today's Message Index:
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1. 07:41 AM - Re: Project update --- and some disapointment (Jeff & Marcia Davidson)
2. 08:35 AM - Re: Michel Therrien's 601 web site (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
3. 08:48 AM - Re: Radio Antennae (Grant Corriveau)
4. 08:59 AM - Re: Radio Antennae (Perry M. Chappano)
5. 09:01 AM - Re: Radio Antennae (Dave Pepper)
6. 09:08 AM - Re: Project update --- and some disapointment (Dave Pepper)
7. 09:10 AM - Re: Radio Antennae (Dave Pepper)
8. 12:32 PM - Re: Project update --- and some disapointment (Larry McFarland)
9. 02:55 PM - 701 updates (Flydog1966@aol.com)
10. 05:12 PM - Re: Prop Pitch (Frank Jones)
11. 05:38 PM - Re: 701 updates (Randy L. Thwing)
12. 05:40 PM - Re: 701 updates (Jon Croke)
13. 06:16 PM - N number owner correlation (randall true)
14. 06:24 PM - Re: N number owner correlation (Daniel Vandenberg)
15. 06:33 PM - Re: N number owner correlation (Bryan Martin)
16. 07:00 PM - First flight-almost (Gerald A. Applefeld)
17. 07:44 PM - Re: First flight-almost (Larry McFarland)
18. 07:52 PM - Re: N number owner correlation (Ray Montagne)
19. 08:17 PM - Re: First flight-almost (Philip Polstra)
20. 09:41 PM - Another First Flight! (Randall Stout)
21. 09:57 PM - Re: Another First Flight! (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
22. 09:58 PM - Re: Batery position (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | Re: Project update --- and some disapointment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff & Marcia Davidson" <jdavidso@fcc.net>
for the archive so newbies can find Michel's web site ...
<snip>
>
> Michel:
>
> Your website and your work has been an inspiration to me. I'm replying to
> the list because I hope there are others who feel the same way I do. I
> found your website when I was only dreaming of building an airplane. Now
> that I've started, you have been a great help to me with your excellent
web
> site. I will continue to look at your photos because they help me in my
> building process. Good luck with your education, but I hope you find time
> to tinker with your airplane to continue toward your goal since you are so
> close to finishing.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Scott Laughlin
<Snip>
>
> Hello gang,
>
> Well, some of you may have noticed the tremendous
> progress I made on my project since the beginning of
> the year. Well, thanks to a company reorganization, I
> got a lot more time for the plane building project.
> Back in December, I thought I needed only a couple of
> months to finish the project....
>
> I spent an inordinate amount of time setting up my
> soob installation and making the cowling. As a
> result, I'm pretty close to finishing the project only
> since a couple of weeks. One of the lessons leaned on
> this project is "unless you're a builder not in a
> hurry that really wants to do everything by yourself,
> make sure you use the designer's proposed engine or
> something else that is available with a FWF kit".
> Redrive problems, intake manifold problems, ignition,
> exhaust and cowling all took too much elapsed time.
>
> My revised goal was to finish the project and get the
> plane in the air before August 22, the date at which I
> switch from being an aircraft builder to be a student
> (I'm going back to school to complete a 1-year
> intensive MBA program... something I wanted to do for
> quite a while).
>
> I realized this week that while it's possible to be
> ready for final inspection by next week, I'm not
> enjoying the time I have left much and I don't take
> much time to play with my kids (also a unique
> opportunity in life to take some time with them at a
> period where I'm normally working). I had a
> discussion with my older son Thursday and decided to
> put the project aside for a while. I just want to
> finalize my preliminary W&B to determine where the
> battery goes and then, I'm gonna put the plane back in
> the garage.
>
> What I have left to do on the plane:
> . Install a cover strip underneath the wing (junction
> of outboard wing with center wing).. I prefer this
> compared with the little tabs shown in the plans.
> . Install the battery and then, rivet the rear top
> skin.
> . Adjust elevator and rudder cables (this has been
> done, stops are all there).
> . Safety wire the control cables.
> . Possibly make an aileron stop (seems I have too much
> movement now... need to be validated)
> . Install weather strip to rear end of canopy
> . Get certificate of registration (final inspection
> already ordered and paid... but I have to delay it
> most likely to fall 2004). I don't need C of R until
> then.
>
> Starting on Aug 22, I may become much less active on
> this list, but I'll still read some messages. I want
> to thank all of you who participate here and helped
> me... I may surprise myself and find that I can still
> finish the plane while pursuing the studies, but I
> don't count on that.
>
> Since I really like the current picture of the day on
> my web site... I may leave it there for quite a while.
>
> Sorry for the long post... but this makes me feel
> better.
>
> Good night!
>
> Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
> http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
> http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: Michel Therrien's 601 web site |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
Agreed that adding Michel's web site to the archives is good, but it would
be following the "Matronics Guidelines" NOT to include the whole large
message again to do so. By deleting the rest of the message, it saves Matt
valuable server space and that is why he asks us to not include the entire
message, and to make person to person comments off the list. Changing the
subject line as above will make it easier for someone to look it up in the
future. The inclusion of Michel's webb address extracted from the original
message can be as simple as deleting the rest and leaving the following:
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Project update --- and some disapointment
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff & Marcia Davidson"
<jdavidso@fcc.net>
For the archive so newbies can find Michel Therrien's web site ...
> > Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
> > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
> > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
> > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Antennae |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper"
> <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
>
> I was just wondering which location of the COM antenna provides the best
> quality and range of transmissions, top or bottom of the fuselage.
If you go with bottom location, remember that the rear fuselage gets very
close to the ground during takeoff/landing ;-)... also possiblity of
gravel/rock damage (albeit slight)...
Due to the angles involved, I've never found much problem with top-mounted
antennae. In fact, at some airports, it's the bottom-mounted antennae that
have a problem 'seeing' the control-tower antenna while on the ground.
fwiw,
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Antennae |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Perry M. Chappano" <polestar@prodigy.net>
I believe this is in the archives but take a look at Comant's COMDAT series
for space saving antenna ideas. My Comant antenna recently installed on my
Porterfield works great per atc. I'll certainly add one to my Zodiac unless
something better comes along.
P Chappano
Porterfield LC-65 NC32372
Zodiac 601XL N9961 (in progress)
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Antennae |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
Thanks Grant. I'll be operating from a dirt runway here at the ranch, so
there will be stones thrown up by the wheels during takeoff and landing. I
was going to place the antenna off center to avoid potential damage. Maybe
the top position is better on dirt runways. The transponder antenna would be
on the bottom for optimum performance.
Dave
601HD 90%
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| Subject: | Re: Project update --- and some disapointment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
Michel,
Good luck with the MBA program. I did my MBA at McGill University at night
while working at Canadair in the Challenger marketing department. I worked
and studied 18 hours a day, and there's no way I could have done anything
else during that time. I even stopped working, and completed the MBA full
time, and still would never have been able to build an aircraft while at
school.
All the best with your education. You will get back to your project in due
course.
Regards,
Dave
601HD 90%
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Antennae |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
I already have the antenna. It's a stainless steel whip antenna with a 45
degree bend, acquired from Aircraft Spruce. This should give an adequate
signal.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Project update --- and some disapointment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
> (I'm going back to school to complete a 1-year
> intensive MBA program... something I wanted to do for
> quite a while).
Michel,
We'll miss your input and progress reports. I've appreciated
reading your site and seeing the interesting things you've accomplished.
Wish you well and look forward to your return when school and life permit.
Hang in there.
Larry C. McFarland
Do Not Archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
Hey list.
Found a couple mistakes in the 4th edition plans today, maybee I can
save someone from making scrap metal.
The two "Z" on each side of the access hole, that run parallel to the
aircraft center line, are given on page 7F2, as being 660 m.m. long. I had
to add 20 m.m. to that. Maybee I made a mistake elsewhere but I do'nt see
it(yet). No big deal, just made a couple more.
Also after making a nice baggage compartment back,7F5-8, tried to
install it. Nope ai'nt 'gonna fit! This is the standard, non-extended
back! All thru the plans they label the "extended" back as 7F5-8. Watch out for
this one. Ohh well, guess I'll make the standard baggage compartment. I
do'nt think I really need all that space.
Does anyone find themseves filling the standard and wish they had more room?
I do'nt see these corrections on the list, has anyone else found
them? Sometimes I do'nt see whats right in front of me!
Phil
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
I've got a GSC 3-blade 68" and struggled to determined the best pitch.
Finally I learned that a static RPM test can be used to set the pitch.
For the 912S static RPM should be between 5300 and 5500. (5300 for a
climb prop and 5500 for cruise). I've got mine set at 18 degrees
producing 5400 on static RPM test right now.
______________________
Frank Jones
601 XL
C-GYXQ
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Metz
Subject: Zenith-List: Prop Pitch
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz"
--> <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
I am about to mount my 70" 3 blade warp drive prop to a 912-S on my 701.
Does anyone on the list have a good starting point to set the pitch
angle? ( I think I'm getting real close to experiencing mans second
greatest thrill :-) )
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
You need the aft space for the lightest, bulkiest items such as sleeping
bags which are a comfort to have aboard when flying over craggy mountain
ranges and icefields.
Regards,
Randy L. Thwing, 701 plans, rear fuse nearly done with extended baggage.
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 updates
Ohh well, guess I'll make the standard baggage compartment. I
> do'nt think I really need all that space.
> Does anyone find themseves filling the standard and wish they had more
room?
> Phil
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Phil,
Supposedly, all of the current updates to the drawings are at:
http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/data/5th-edition-updates-6-2003.pdf
Jon
> I do'nt see these corrections on the list, has anyone else found
> them? Sometimes I do'nt see whats right in front of me!
>
> Phil
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| Subject: | N number owner correlation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: randall true <randtrue@yahoo.com>
Is there a web site to plug in a known N number and
find out who and where the plane is? Thanks, Randall
__________________________________
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: N number owner correlation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg <djvdb63@yahoo.com>
Randy...
You can go here, among other places:
http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*56330264!_h-www.landings.com/_landings/pages/search/search_nnr.html
Dan
randall true <randtrue@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: randall true
Is there a web site to plug in a known N number and
find out who and where the plane is? Thanks, Randall
__________________________________
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: N number owner correlation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 8/10/03 9:15 PM, randall true at randtrue@yahoo.com wrote:
> Is there a web site to plug in a known N number and
> find out who and where the plane is? Thanks, Randall
>
http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*56330391!mtd*7!map*_landings/images/
landings-topbuttons.map?98,5
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Working on instrument panel, electrical and interior.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | First flight-almost |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gerald A. Applefeld" <jerryvmd@blazenet.net>
Hi list,
I've mainly been a lirker since I haven't had much to contribute to what
the more knowledgable add to this list. Last month I had my
airworthiness sign-off. I have been doing some taxi tests to get a feel
for the plane. The weather on the east coast has been horrendous the
last two weeks so even taxi tests were not a good idea. This afternoon
the weather improved alot-not perfect just alot. Went back to the
airport, took the plane out to do more testing. Got to the point where
I could lift the nose wheel. Systems seem to check out so on the next
pass I gave just a little more power. As I lifted the nose, I realized I
left the ground entirely. Leveled the nose, cut power and let her
settle back down. Systems still seemed to be fine, handling good. The
next pass I intentionally gave enough to get her up to about 5 feet.
Tried the ailerons and drifted back and forth some to get the feel.
Stayed up for maybe 300-400 feet then cut power and settled back down.
I know, I know-only ground effect but you could say that I had my first
flight today. If the weather ever really improves I hope to do the
first REAL flight in the next two weeks.
I have been working (off and on) on N601GV for 9 years. She is a 601HD
nose-wheel, that is 90% built from plans. I'm using a EA-81 SOOB that I
built up myself with help from Joe Souza in California. Using his
reduction, intake and carb. I have not painted and may leave her bare
for the time being. Have not been able to get insurance due to the
SOOB. EAA, AOPA and Sky Smith underwriters all demand 2-10 hours of
dual IN TYPE. Not possible! So will probably fly the first 5-10
uninsured. Do alot of praying nothing goes wrong and then reapply.
Thanks to everyone that I've read and learned from all these years.
More to follow when there is more to tell
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: First flight-almost |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald A. Applefeld" <jerryvmd@blazenet.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: First flight-almost
Gerald,
It's really exciting to hear of the first flights
of a new bird. Congratulations on your effort and stay with
us. Seriously good information is gleaned from the things you experience
and convey to the list. We all need the encouragement of your success
to continue and learn from each other.
Thanks again and keep us up on your progress.
Larry C. McFarland -601hds @ www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: N number owner correlation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 8/10/03 6:15 PM, "randall true" <randtrue@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: randall true <randtrue@yahoo.com>
>
> Is there a web site to plug in a known N number and
> find out who and where the plane is?
You can do this directly on the FAA website. Try
<http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/>.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
===========================================================================
Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL, Jabiru 3300
Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
Build Status: Rudder completed
Elevator Completed
Stabilizer Completed
Flaps Completed
Ailerons Completed
Right Wing Under Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Left Wing Under Construction
===========================================================================
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| Subject: | First flight-almost |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Polstra" <ppolstra@mindspring.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gerald A. Applefeld"
<jerryvmd@blazenet.net>
>Have not been able to get insurance due to the
>SOOB. EAA, AOPA and Sky Smith underwriters all demand 2-10 hours of
>dual IN TYPE. Not possible! So will probably fly the first 5-10
>uninsured. Do alot of praying nothing goes wrong and then reapply.
Congratulations on finishing the plane. You might see if the insurance
company will let you consider training time in the Alarus CH2000 as
equivalent. The Alarus flies very simular to the CH601. The biggest
difference is the yoke and flaps that aren't present in the CH601. The
CH601 is more sporty, but the Alarus isn't bad for a factory plane. I have
three Alari in my flight schools, including a new one I bought personally
two weeks ago.
If you don't know where you can rent an Alarus near you, you might check
with the factory.
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| Subject: | Another First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randall Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
Today 8-10-2003, N282RS made it's first flight.
We did the FAA inspection yesterday. I had a few minor things to fix during
the inspection, and finally around 4 PM I had the treasured Airworthiness
Certificate.
This morning we had scattered clouds and a light 90 degree crosswind, and an
occasional spot of sprinkles. Normally a light crosswind wouldn't bother me
much, but since I was unfamiliar with the flight characteristics of my plane
and the low clouds, I decided to wait. I ended up waiting until around noon
for the wind to die out and the clouds to burn off. First I did a few taxi
tests. I pulled the nose off the ground a couple of times in the process (I
had been doing slow taxi tests for several weeks now). Then I taxied back to
the hangar to discuss with my ground crew if I should go for it. The answer
was a unanimous, "Let's do it." Back at the end of the runway, after doing
my runup and reviewing my checklist, I sat there for a few seconds wondering
if I had forgot anything. Finally, I slowly pushed in the throttle and let
it roll. At about 45 mph, I gave the stick a little back pressure, and up
she went. I remember thinking to myself very loudly "OH CRAP, I'M OFF THE
GROUND!" (OK, maybe the word wasn't crap). It climbed OK up to pattern
altitude around 500 ft/min. I wasn't going to try to push it. On a day like
today in Texas, a Cessna 152 would have probably not even done that good.
But after that, the climb performance was almost non existent. I finally
managed to get about 2000 ft AGL. My ground crew called me and asked if I
could hear the engine missing. Indeed I could, and along with that my oil
temps were almost at red line. I decided I wasn't going to do any near
stalls today and came back to land. The landing was a pretty landing, on
tape anyway. You can't see the pucker factor that was going on in the
cockpit. As I crossed over the numbers and began to flare, I found that I
couldn't see over the cowl anymore. I didn't know if I was going to run off
into the grass or what. As soon as the mains touched I let the nose down.
Whew! Nothing but runway in front of me. As I taxied in, you could hear the
miss getting worse. I had a lot of mixed emotions as I climbed out of the
cockpit. I was very happy that my plane flies, but very disappointed in the
engine.
We discussed the flight and after everyone left, I looked over the plane. I
decided to pull the plugs and found one side looked normal, and the other
was sooty. I thought I had this worked out, as I had been fighting a similar
problem for several months. Later, I found on the net that, others running
the same carb, intake setup on VW's have had this problem. Apparently the
answer is to install a "swirl plate behind the carb because the fuel tends
to hang on one side of the manifold. I made and installed the swirl plate
this evening. I can see a definite difference in the way the engine runs
now. I gained 100 rpm and it seems to run more smoothly now. If the
weather's good in the morning, maybe I find out if it works tomorrow.
Randy Stout - San Antonio TX
CH601HD N282RS
n282rs@sbcglobal.net
http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
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| Subject: | Re: Another First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
Randy,
I enjoyed reading the description of your first flight. Congratulations!!
Could you please describe the "swirl plate" you mentioned?
Fred Hulen
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Phil,
Thanks for taking your time to answer, just one more question: Is your
plane painted? Our is zinc cromate inside and out (complete but thin
coat) also is painted outside with Dupont Chrome One. I dont know how
much this painting will increase the weight.
Thank you once more for taking your time.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
--- Phil & Michele Miller <millerpg@ps.gen.nz> wrote:
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> Gary,
>
> Mine is behind the passenger seat just forward of the bottom fuse
> inspection hatch. W&B is fine with it there.
>
> Cheers,
> Phil Miller
> New Zealand
> 701/912S
>
>
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> Subject: Zenith-List: Batery position
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
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> > engine and isntrument wiring, couldn find in the plans or
> instruction
> book the recomended position of the batery,
>
> >Do any of you, 701 builders, can tell us where you put the batery?
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