Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:58 AM - Re: Battery position (Phil & Michele Miller)
2. 02:21 AM - Re: Prop Pitch (Phil & Michele Miller)
3. 03:26 AM - Re: Radio Antennae placement (Dave Kubassek)
4. 03:32 AM - Re: Another First Flight! (RJK)
5. 03:35 AM - First flight (Gerald A. Applefeld)
6. 05:24 AM - Re: Another First Flight! (Grant Corriveau)
7. 05:30 AM - Re: Another First Flight! (Randall Stout)
8. 05:35 AM - Re: Another First Flight! (Randall Stout)
9. 06:05 AM - First Flight (Dave & Doretta New)
10. 07:32 AM - Re: Another First Flight! (Don Walker)
11. 08:01 AM - Re: First Flight (Pinneo, George)
12. 08:16 AM - Re: Another First Flight! (Pinneo, George)
13. 08:49 AM - Re: Battery position (Gary Gower)
14. 09:03 AM - following list guidelines (Jeff Small)
15. 09:48 AM - Swirl plate (Randall Stout)
16. 09:59 AM - Re: Another First Flight! (Alejandro Roca)
17. 10:59 AM - Re: Another First Flight! ()
18. 11:40 AM - Re: Another First Flight! (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
19. 11:57 AM - Re: Another First Flight! (Dave Pepper)
20. 12:12 PM - New engine (Thilo Kind)
21. 12:51 PM - Re: First Flight (Leo Gates)
22. 03:10 PM - Kuntzleman strobe (Dave Pepper)
23. 04:19 PM - OT: following list guidelines (Mark Townsend)
24. 05:09 PM - Re: 3 First Flights (Ed)
25. 05:38 PM - Re: OT: following list guidelines/ only for some (Fred Poor)
26. 06:31 PM - Miss Manners strikes again...... (ZSMITH3rd@aol.com)
27. 07:57 PM - Matco Brake Geometry (Jeff & Marcia Davidson)
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| Subject: | Battery position |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil & Michele Miller" <millerpg@ps.gen.nz>
Gary,
Yes, my plane is painted. Sorry, I can't tell you how much the paint
weighs.
Cheers,
Phil Miller
New Zealand
701/912S
-----Original Message-----
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Phil,
Thanks for taking your time to answer, just one more question: Is your
plane painted? Our is zinc cromate inside and out (complete but thin
coat) also is painted outside with Dupont Chrome One. I dont know how
much this painting will increase the weight.
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil & Michele Miller" <millerpg@ps.gen.nz>
Lowell,
Sorry I have taken a while to reply. I have the same
airframe/engine/prop combination so hope I can help. My pitch was set at
14 degrees when I bought the plane. I suspect it is a little too coarse
as it will only rev to 5300rpm in climb and cruises 70kt at only
4760rpm. Have had major problems with cold-starting so haven't had the
opportunity to experiment yet.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Phil Miller
New Zealand
701/912S
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Metz
Subject: Zenith-List: Prop Pitch
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz"
--> <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
I am about to mount my 70" 3 blade warp drive prop to a 912-S on my 701.
Does anyone on the list have a good starting point to set the pitch
angle? ( I think I'm getting real close to experiencing mans second
greatest thrill :-) )
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Antennae placement |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
I am using the same radio and same antenna.
I placed the antenna on top of fusalage ,centered between rear of canopy and
elt antenna which is just ahead of the rudder.
It works fine
dave k
C-FDSF XL 0235
8 hrs and everything is "A - OK"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Radio Antennae
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper"
<rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
>
> I was just wondering which location of the COM antenna provides the best
quality and range of transmissions, top or bottom of the fuselage. I have a
MicroAir 760 transceiver, and an inexpensive stainless steel 45-degree whip
antenna. I figure that the bottom location is optimal since there would be
no interference between the antenna and the ground station.
>
> Thanks for the comments.
>
> Dave
> Chevelon Canyon, AZ
> 601HD....90%
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "RJK" <rjk1964@bellsouth.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Another First Flight!
>
> Today 8-10-2003, N282RS made it's first flight.
>
>
CONGRATS! Randy. Hope that swirl plate fixes the fuel problem. I wish you
many years of happy flying!
Rick Klucznik
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gerald A. Applefeld" <jerryvmd@blazenet.net>
Randy,
From one who is almost there, to one is beyond there-congratulations.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Another First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
Congratulations! Which engine are you using?
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
> From: "Randall Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
> "OH CRAP, I'M OFF THE
> GROUND!"
great comment! ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Another First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randall Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
Fred
It's just a couple of pieces of aluminum configured in an X shape and bent
at the ends. You place it inside the intake manifold behind the carb to make
the fuel/air mixture spin.
Randy
> Randy,
>
> I enjoyed reading the description of your first flight. Congratulations!!
>
> Could you please describe the "swirl plate" you mentioned?
>
> Fred Hulen
>
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Another First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randall Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
It's the Great Plains VW 2180. It has a 1.6:1 PRSU on it and is supposed to
be rated at 103 hp for 5 minutes, then you have to back off to 3600 RPM,
which is supposed to put you around 80 HP.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Corriveau" <grantc@ca.inter.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Another First Flight!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> Congratulations! Which engine are you using?
>
> --
> Grant Corriveau
> C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
>
> > From: "Randall Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
> > "OH CRAP, I'M OFF THE
> > GROUND!"
>
> great comment! ;-)
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Doretta New" <ddnew@earthlink.net>
Hello to everybody on the list.
I have been reading this list for about 7 years now. Just stayed in the background
and read what everybody was doing.
July 30 2003 Zodiac CH601HDS Tail Wheel Received Signoff from FAA. First Flight
Aug 10 03 7:15 PM Made First Flight. Everything went well. Runs a little warm,
but flays FANSTSTAC.
Took 7 1/2 years, All scrateh built including all steel componts, motor mount,
landing gear and all others. Self build EA_81 subaru motor, W/ self built intake
and exhaust, Self built belt reduction drive from RFI plans. Self made wheel
pants (modifyed copy of Vans) 679 lbs empty.
Feels great to have put all those parts into the air as a airplane.
Reguards
Dave New
Scottsbluff Ne.
N928DN
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| Subject: | Re: Another First Flight! |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:31:20 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com>
Randy,
This swirl plate may help with Stratus intake and uneven distribution. Can you
get a picture or give more details? How far do the pieces extent into the manifold.
How much bend did you put into the ends. How are they held in place?
Don Walker HDS
----- Original Message -----
From: Randall Stout
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Another First Flight!
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randall Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
Fred
It's just a couple of pieces of aluminum configured in an X shape and bent
at the ends. You place it inside the intake manifold behind the carb to make
the fuel/air mixture spin.
Randy
> Randy,
>
> I enjoyed reading the description of your first flight. Congratulations!!
>
> Could you please describe the "swirl plate" you mentioned?
>
> Fred Hulen
>
>
> do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pinneo, George" <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
Congratulations!
Do Not Archive
GGP
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| Subject: | Another First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pinneo, George" <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
Congratulations!
Do not archive.
GGP
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| Subject: | Battery position |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Phil,
Thats OK, I just wanted to see how close to the same weight our planes
where... I will start with that position of the batery.
Thank you once more.
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- Phil & Michele Miller <millerpg@ps.gen.nz> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil & Michele Miller"
> <millerpg@ps.gen.nz>
>
> Gary,
>
> Yes, my plane is painted. Sorry, I can't tell you how much the paint
> weighs.
>
> Cheers,
> Phil Miller
> New Zealand
> 701/912S
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello Phil,
>
> Thanks for taking your time to answer, just one more question: Is
> your
> plane painted? Our is zinc cromate inside and out (complete but
> thin
> coat) also is painted outside with Dupont Chrome One. I dont know
> how
> much this painting will increase the weight.
>
>
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________
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| Subject: | following list guidelines |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:02:29 -0400
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>Thank you once more.
A courteous reminder: "Thank you's" are to be sent off-list. And when not accompanied
by "do not archive" these types of posts make our list less valuable
and redundant.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randall Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
Don
I flew it again this morning. The engine seemed to run better this time. I
didn't have time to pull the plugs and see how they look, but will probably
do so tomorrow. I'll try to get some pictures of the swirl plate too. I'm
sure that when you see the pics, you'll get the idea of how it works. I have
to warn you that I'm not real fast with pictures.
Randy Stout - San Antonio TX
CH601HD N282RS
n282rs@sbcglobal.net
http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com>
>
> Randy,
> This swirl plate may help with Stratus intake and uneven distribution.
Can you get a picture or give more details? How far do the pieces extent
into the manifold. How much bend did you put into the ends. How are they
held in place? Don Walker HDS
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| Subject: | Re: Another First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Alejandro Roca <alex_roca@mac.com>
Randy
Once again. Congratulations!
Alex Roca
XL 45% Complete
San Antonio, TX.
On Sunday, August 10, 2003, at 09:35PM, Randall Stout <n282rs@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randall Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Today 8-10-2003, N282RS made it's first flight.
>
>We did the FAA inspection yesterday. I had a few minor things to fix during
>the inspection, and finally around 4 PM I had the treasured Airworthiness
>Certificate.
>
>This morning we had scattered clouds and a light 90 degree crosswind, and an
>occasional spot of sprinkles. Normally a light crosswind wouldn't bother me
>much, but since I was unfamiliar with the flight characteristics of my plane
>and the low clouds, I decided to wait. I ended up waiting until around noon
>for the wind to die out and the clouds to burn off. First I did a few taxi
>tests. I pulled the nose off the ground a couple of times in the process (I
>had been doing slow taxi tests for several weeks now). Then I taxied back to
>the hangar to discuss with my ground crew if I should go for it. The answer
>was a unanimous, "Let's do it." Back at the end of the runway, after doing
>my runup and reviewing my checklist, I sat there for a few seconds wondering
>if I had forgot anything. Finally, I slowly pushed in the throttle and let
>it roll. At about 45 mph, I gave the stick a little back pressure, and up
>she went. I remember thinking to myself very loudly "OH CRAP, I'M OFF THE
>GROUND!" (OK, maybe the word wasn't crap). It climbed OK up to pattern
>altitude around 500 ft/min. I wasn't going to try to push it. On a day like
>today in Texas, a Cessna 152 would have probably not even done that good.
>But after that, the climb performance was almost non existent. I finally
>managed to get about 2000 ft AGL. My ground crew called me and asked if I
>could hear the engine missing. Indeed I could, and along with that my oil
>temps were almost at red line. I decided I wasn't going to do any near
>stalls today and came back to land. The landing was a pretty landing, on
>tape anyway. You can't see the pucker factor that was going on in the
>cockpit. As I crossed over the numbers and began to flare, I found that I
>couldn't see over the cowl anymore. I didn't know if I was going to run off
>into the grass or what. As soon as the mains touched I let the nose down.
>Whew! Nothing but runway in front of me. As I taxied in, you could hear the
>miss getting worse. I had a lot of mixed emotions as I climbed out of the
>cockpit. I was very happy that my plane flies, but very disappointed in the
>engine.
>
>We discussed the flight and after everyone left, I looked over the plane. I
>decided to pull the plugs and found one side looked normal, and the other
>was sooty. I thought I had this worked out, as I had been fighting a similar
>problem for several months. Later, I found on the net that, others running
>the same carb, intake setup on VW's have had this problem. Apparently the
>answer is to install a "swirl plate behind the carb because the fuel tends
>to hang on one side of the manifold. I made and installed the swirl plate
>this evening. I can see a definite difference in the way the engine runs
>now. I gained 100 rpm and it seems to run more smoothly now. If the
>weather's good in the morning, maybe I find out if it works tomorrow.
>
>Randy Stout - San Antonio TX
>CH601HD N282RS
>n282rs@sbcglobal.net
>http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
Congratulations!
Jerry Latimer
do not archive
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randall Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Today 8-10-2003, N282RS made it's first flight.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
Congratulations! Wow, two of you in a row!!
Fred Hulen
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| Subject: | Re: Another First Flight! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
My first flight will be next summer sometime. It's more of a money
constraint than a time problem! :{) It's great to hear about builders' first
flights. It is a stimulus for the rest of us to get our projects finished.
Dave Pepper
Chevelon Canyon, AZ
601HD 90%
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi folks,
a few days ago I got myself a German airplane magazin. It featured an interesting
article about a new automotive engine conversion: some of you might heard about
the Smart car. The Smart car is a totally new car concept developed by Daimler-Chrysler
afew years ago. It is a small two seater car with a body made completely
from thermoplastic resin. I'm sure, the never will sell that car in
the US due to it small size except maybe as a new lawn mower design, but it is
now very popular in Europe, especially for the crowded cities.
Anyway, Daimler-Chrysler also developed a new engine concept for that new car.
The engine is basically a 3 cylinder (600 ccm), 4 stroke engine complete with
turbo charger, catalysator, double ignition, fuel ignition, fuel flow and ingnition
timing control for each cylinder separatly, etc. So, a few guys got together
and modified the engine for airplane use - amongst them the chief engineer,
who developed the engine for Daimler-Chrysler. The engine comes in two versions
with 55 HP or 70 HP, a 82 HP version is planned. Weight is very similar
like a 912, performance of the 70 HP engine is comparable with the 912 due to
higher torques in the lower RPM range. The engine is reported to be very quit
even during take-off - measurements showed the take-off less to be noisier than
a landing Cessna 172. Fuel consumption of the 70 HP engine is 20 % lower than
the 912. Also, the price is lower than the 912. Obviously, a Zodiac 601 UL is
now equipped with such an engine - I will try to find out more.
Happy building / flying
Thilo Kind
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates <leogates@allvantage.com>
Congratulations!
Leo Gates
Do not archive.
Dave & Doretta New wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Doretta New" <ddnew@earthlink.net>
>
>Hello to everybody on the list.
>
>I have been reading this list for about 7 years now. Just stayed in the background
and read what everybody was doing.
>
>July 30 2003 Zodiac CH601HDS Tail Wheel Received Signoff from FAA. First Flight
Aug 10 03 7:15 PM Made First Flight. Everything went well. Runs a little warm,
but flays FANSTSTAC.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kuntzleman strobe |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
To the list.....Has anyone had any experience with the Kuntzleman Magnum dual strobe
system? Is this a reliable system? I see that the Smart Strobe can be powered
either from a 12V source, or the AC coil on the Rotax 912. Which source
of power would be better (12V or AC coil)? My plan is to put one light on the
bottom, and one on the top of the fuselage.
Thanks for the comments.....Dave
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| Subject: | following list guidelines |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Original message
Subject: Zenith-List: following list guidelines
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Zenith-List Policy Statement
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful
---------------------------
Jeff I suspect that you are the list administrator and respect the
position of policing the free speech of others. But I would request a
more relaxed hand in preaching to the list . I agree that the main part
of the list is to discuss and help others build Zenith designed planes
but a sense of camaraderie is had in the messages that are off topic,
especially those that are of a congratulatory nature. Anyone on this
list that has spent 3-10 years building a plane deserves his/her name in
the archives with a healthy contingent of congratulations. I have
searched the archives with this in mind to see how many list members
have left the nest. Also I have researched the archives for messages on
CNC and found Larry's name in there and was able to ask him a question
directly. Also who would not want the message from Brent Battles on his
601 adventures in the archives.
This list is more then builders information to a few of us, it is also a
way of having a group discussion with friends, of which I consider every
builder on this list to be.
I agree that a friendly private reminder to an individual whom has
gotten carried away and has traveled way off to the radical right is a
good thing. But to the list in general I believe that the matronics
monthly list etiquette mailing should suffice as a reminder.
I personally want to develop friendships on this list as well as to know
what grade of bolt ZAC uses for the 601XL main gear attachment (Grade 8
by the way).
Also may I suggest adding OT (OFF TOPIC) to the subject line of those
letters that do not apply directly to building. This way those whom wish
not to socialize may just hit the DEL key. Just a suggestion.
Thanks
Mark Townsend
601XL EA-82MPFI Turbo
Alma, Ontario
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 3 First Flights |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed" <orion@silcom.com>
I'm away from the computer for a few days and come back to three first
flights...Congratulations to all...and safe enjoyable flying. (Is it
hatching season or something?)
Ed 601hds/lyc
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| Subject: | Re: following list guidelines/ only for some |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Poor <fredspoor2002@yahoo.com>
Mark-- it is this attitude, that gets us folks upset--
we shouldn't have to use our delete key because you
and some of the good old boys want to use this site
for a social club--- I'll stop here before I say to
much and piss people off---- but I have learned one
thing on this site----- it is the ones which violate
the guidelines that don't like to told they are
wrong--- what in the hell is wrong with sending info
for a few to them directly--- some of us don't like to
spend any more time on the computer than we have to as
we are still trying to get our planes finished--
"fred"
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--- Mark Townsend <601xl@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend"
> <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
> Original message
> Subject: Zenith-List: following list guidelines
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small"
> <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
> Zenith-List Policy Statement
>
> - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT
> keep your tone
> polite and respectful
>
> ---------------------------
>
> Jeff I suspect that you are the list administrator
> and respect the
> position of policing the free speech of others. But
> I would request a
> more relaxed hand in preaching to the list . I agree
> that the main part
> of the list is to discuss and help others build
> Zenith designed planes
> but a sense of camaraderie is had in the messages
> that are off topic,
> especially those that are of a congratulatory
> nature. Anyone on this
> list that has spent 3-10 years building a plane
> deserves his/her name in
> the archives with a healthy contingent of
> congratulations. I have
> searched the archives with this in mind to see how
> many list members
> have left the nest. Also I have researched the
> archives for messages on
> CNC and found Larry's name in there and was able to
> ask him a question
> directly. Also who would not want the message from
> Brent Battles on his
> 601 adventures in the archives.
> This list is more then builders information to a few
> of us, it is also a
> way of having a group discussion with friends, of
> which I consider every
> builder on this list to be.
> I agree that a friendly private reminder to an
> individual whom has
> gotten carried away and has traveled way off to the
> radical right is a
> good thing. But to the list in general I believe
> that the matronics
> monthly list etiquette mailing should suffice as a
> reminder.
> I personally want to develop friendships on this
> list as well as to know
> what grade of bolt ZAC uses for the 601XL main gear
> attachment (Grade 8
> by the way).
>
> Also may I suggest adding OT (OFF TOPIC) to the
> subject line of those
> letters that do not apply directly to building. This
> way those whom wish
> not to socialize may just hit the DEL key. Just a
> suggestion.
>
> Thanks
> Mark Townsend
> 601XL EA-82MPFI Turbo
> Alma, Ontario
> Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Miss Manners strikes again...... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
......"radical right"....... ??
What, pray tell, is a "radical right" airplane builder?
What happens when a "radical left" rears its ugly head?
Does he, or she, or it, get equal billing?
But maybe I just mis-read the post. Maybe it said "radial right" in which
case I knew immediately that it was NOT one of those Polish-built R-985's
hanging on an old Ag Cat. That would be a radial left.
Anyway, I am greatly relieved to know we've not got a new pissing contest
started concerning improper mis-use of the list.
Zed Smith
701/R912/all the parts & pieces on one lump/90%
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| Subject: | Matco Brake Geometry |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff & Marcia Davidson" <jdavidso@fcc.net>
While at Oshkosh, I visited the Matco tent display to ask about the brake
geometry problem. There is discussion in the archives if this is a new
topic to you. What I think is new is that Matco had a mock-up at Oshkosh of
the Zenith rudder pedals as shown in the drawings and as modified to give a
better mechanical advantage. The mock up included pressure gauges to
demonstrate the pressure difference in the different configurations. It
also had an option to introduce air into the system and see the results.
Matco has some drawings of the modifications available on their web site.
At www.matcomfg.com there is a paper available titled "Maximizing The Output
of Your Brakes" that explains the desired situation. Go to the
TROUBLESHOOTING link then scroll down to the Brake section and click on the
hyperlink to the document on Maximizing Your Brake Torque that has the
information about pedal geometry. Separately George Happ of Matco also sent
me the dimensional drawings for the exact pedal system used on the simulator
at Oshkosh. I'll be happy to forward these if you would like. For those of
us just getting to the pedals, Matco has really done a fine job of
explaining both the problem and the modifications to fix it.
Thanks to all those builders that explored this problem and worked it out
with Matco so that this type of modification was available.
Jeff Davidson
CH 601 HD
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