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1. 12:08 AM - Re: XL Axle to landing gear? (xl)
2. 05:45 AM - Re: fly info (Ron DeWees)
3. 06:11 AM - Re: Rotary Engines? (Schemmel, Grant)
4. 06:34 AM - 0-200 tip (Schemmel, Grant)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: fly info (Don Walker)
6. 07:42 AM - VW power (Randall Stout)
7. 09:05 AM - Re: Dramatic decision (Jeff & Marcia Davidson)
8. 10:01 AM - 100th anniversary emblem (Rick Pitcher)
9. 10:31 AM - Re: Dramatic decision (Frank Stutzman)
10. 10:54 AM - Re: 100th anniversary emblem (Lyle Pahnke)
11. 11:15 AM - Re: 100th anniversary emblem (wizard-24@juno.com)
12. 11:43 AM - Re: 100th anniversary emblem (RJK)
13. 11:53 AM - Re: Dramatic decision (CLOJAN@aol.com)
14. 12:40 PM - Re: Dramatic decision (Scott Laughlin)
15. 01:17 PM - Zodiac/Ercoupe corrosion comparison (George Swinford)
16. 01:48 PM - Re: Dramatic decision (CLOJAN@aol.com)
17. 02:12 PM - Zac answer to XL axle mounting (CLOJAN@aol.com)
18. 03:14 PM - Re: Zenith Open Hanger Day (Larry McFarland)
19. 04:11 PM - Re: Zenith Open Hanger Day ()
20. 04:17 PM - Re: 601 Stratus Push-pull Throttle (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
21. 04:33 PM - Re: Zenith Open Hanger Day (Elwood140@aol.com)
22. 05:46 PM - Re: 100th anniversary emblem (Tim & Diane Shankland)
23. 05:46 PM - Re: Dramatic decision (Gary Gower)
24. 06:00 PM - Warp Drive Prop (Tim & Diane Shankland)
25. 06:11 PM - Re: 601 Stratus Push-pull Throttle (Gary Gower)
26. 07:19 PM - Re: 0-200 tip (ZodiacBuilder@aol.com)
27. 07:51 PM - Re: Dramatic decision (Wayne McIntosh)
28. 08:04 PM - Re: 0-200 tip (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
29. 08:14 PM - Re: fly info (Duane Evans)
30. 08:16 PM - Re: Dramatic decision (Wayne McIntosh)
31. 08:36 PM - Aileron vibration CH-300 (Jeff Paden)
32. 09:19 PM - Re: Aileron vibration CH-300 (Ray Montagne)
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| Subject: | Re: XL Axle to landing gear? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
Hello,
Here's what I did (just last weekend).
The axle is flush with the bottom of the landing gear.
This gives at least 10mm between the center of the bolt holes
and the edge of the gear and maximum ground clearance. I filed
off the corner of the landing gear to center the axle (with the
caliper on it) - again this provides at least 10mm of metal.
There are two (not close up) pictures on the ZAC web site.
(follow the finishing link - I think.)
To drill the holes I clamped the axle in place and slid the
1/4" OD 3/8"ID bushing that is used for the control stick
into an axle hole. I then used an 8" 3/8" drill bit to drill
a 3/8" hole straight through the gear. The bushing keeps the axle
safe from the bit and helps align it properly. The 8" drill bit
helped me to keep the hole parallel to the axle hole and gave me the
clearance that I needed to drill. I then removed the axle
and drilled the hole out to 1/4" (with a fresh bit) letting the
drill bit slowly follow the pilot hole. Put a 1/4" bolt in the drilled
hole - add extra washers to tighten it down to save the nut. Repeated for
the other three holes. All of my 8 holes are aligned and the bolts slide
easily in and out. The calipers can be removed with the axle bolted on.
I am satisfied with the job.
Joe Edwards
N633Z standing on its own.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 CLOJAN@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
>
> Hi Folks: I am about ready to drill the 4 holes to mount the axle to the
> landing gear on the XL. Since ZAC decided to leave out any instruction on
> placement perhaps someone here can help. I have decided that the axle must be
flush
> with the rear edge of the gear to clear the brake caliper but since the
> "mounting area" of the gear is about 4" long how high should it be from the bottom
> edge? My choice can change the height of the fuselage by as much as 4" when
> standing on the gear. If the nose gear is not adjustable as far as height my
> decision could give me a fuselage that is not level. Even with the nose gear
> installed the weight of the engine and everything left to install will change
the
> picture. Should I wait for the finished plane to do this? Ideas?
> Thanks in advance.
> Jack Russell Clovis -CA
> 601XL fuselage
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Duane,
Thanks a lot for the advise. I had heard that the tailwheel was too large
to let the plane's nose high enough to taliwheel land without hitting the
tailwheel first. Obviously this is not a problem for you. Glad to hear it.
I haven't read a thing about locking the tailwheel. How do you do it? Are
there any pix or descriptions on doing it? I have heard that the rudder is
awesome tho. One friend that used to fly a HDS said he had made safe
landings in 25 kt crosswinds and had rudder left over.
Again, thanks for the information.
Ron
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| Subject: | RE: Rotary Engines? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Schemmel, Grant" <Grant.Schemmel@Aeroflex.com>
> Time: 03:31:29 PM PST US
> From: "Mike Fraley" <mike@theautoexpo.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Rotary Engines?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike Fraley"
> <mike@theautoexpo.com>
>
> Hi! Anyone ever hear of a Rotary (Wankel) type engine /
> conversion that produces
> around 100hp that might work in a 701? I see plenty in the
> 150-200 range,
>
Hi Mike,
It is possible to make a single rotor engine out of a twin rotor 13b. The resulting
engine make about 100hp (or up to 300 if you really turbo boost/mod it),
and weighs about 150lbs. I've been following the list on the ACRE site for awhile
now, and one of the members has one working.
The ACRE website is: http://home.earthlink.net/~rotaryeng/ and is run by Paul Lamar. Lot of good heads on the list, including a number of design engineers. Been thinking pretty hard about using a 13BT for the BD-4 I'm going to do next.
Good luck..
Grant Schemmel
Penrose, CO
601hds/0-200
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Schemmel, Grant" <Grant.Schemmel@Aeroflex.com>
Listers,
Thought I would post this tip for anyone who has or is in the process of doing
an o-200 for their Zodie. After fighting oil temp issues for about a year, I
finally bit the bullet and installed an oil cooler, which knocked the temps down
by 40F. On a 96F day, I'm now getting a max oil temp of 218F, where before
at 87F I was getting 240F oil temp.
The o-200 only has one access point for an oil cooler, and the same point is also
used for oil filter adapters. I had the filter already, which made it a tough
decision, as I didn't want to remove it. However, I found an alternative.
An auto sandwich adapter intended for Fords, has the same o-ring diameter and thread
size as the Champion CH48108 filter used by the spin-on adapter. The sandwich
adapter fits between the filter and the filter mount, extending the center
threaded stud. The cooler oil lines tap into it through 3/8"FPT ports, and
it includes a pressure bypass mechanism to bypass the cooler if it's plugged.
Cost about $50 at summitracing.com.
The cooler I used was a Positech experimental, smallest I could get, and the lines
are custom made hydraulic hoses (local auto parts shop), 3/8" inside diam.,
at about $14 ea. Total invested, about $240.
Anyway, just thought I would pass this on.
Grant Schemmel
Penrose, CO
601hds/o-200
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Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:53:05 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com>
Ron,
The rudder is awesome and you will find the plane very solid in ground handling
and compares favorably with any taildragger. I started over three hundred
hours ago by taxi testing slow, then to the speed of lifting the tail with full
down elevator, and then increased from there. The wisdom of high speed taxi
has been debated here, but I taxied mine up to 70 before getting airborne. Then
I knew I could handle a landing. The plane is VERY solid in handling. If you
have 100 or more H.P. you might want to apply power gently to avoid pulling to
the side on take off roll. I apply mine gently up to about thirty and then let
her have it. You should find the rudder very effective in cross wind landings.
I wheel land 99% of the time, finding that simple, smooth and easier in the
HDS. Take your time. I bet you will be pleased. Don Walker
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron DeWees
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fly info
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Duane,
Thanks a lot for the advise. I had heard that the tailwheel was too large
to let the plane's nose high enough to taliwheel land without hitting the
tailwheel first. Obviously this is not a problem for you. Glad to hear it.
I haven't read a thing about locking the tailwheel. How do you do it? Are
there any pix or descriptions on doing it? I have heard that the rudder is
awesome tho. One friend that used to fly a HDS said he had made safe
landings in 25 kt crosswinds and had rudder left over.
Again, thanks for the information.
Ron
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randall Stout" <n282rs@sbcglobal.net>
Listers
Before I had flown my plane there were several inquires about what to expect
for performance especially from 701 builders. I thought I would post some
results now that I have flown it a couple of times.
I have a 2180 VW with a 1.6:1 PRSU and a 67" Powerfin ground adjustable
prop. On the first and second flights, I was only able to get 75 mph at full
throttle. Climb at takeoff seemed good for the first 100 feet, then dropped
off to almost nothing. The engine was misfiring a bit on the first flight. I
added the swirl plate in the manifold and flew it again the next day. The
second flight resulted in very similar performance, without the misfiring.
I think I have found the reason for the poor performance. Part of it was me
and part of it was the prop. For a couple of days, I made few phone calls to
Zenith, and Great Plains. It wasn't until I found a website that explained
propeller physics that it finally hit me in the head as to what was
happening. Basically, I had reached the max forward speed for that
prop/pitch combination. When I did my first 2 flights, it climbed good for
the first 100 ft or so, then it would barely climb at all. I finally
realized that the reason for this was that I was trying to stay above 70mph.
I didn't know what the stall speed was and didn't want to go any slower.
Yesterday I added 1/2 degree of pitch to the prop and tried it again. This
time, I allowed it to climb at 60 mph. I climbed all the way to 4200 ft @
500-600 ft/min. Max level speed turned out to be 85 mph at about 3400 rpm
(recommend cruise rpm). At that speed, I was able to trim and let go of the
controls and still fly straight and level. I can't help but wonder what kind
of climb I would have got at 55 or even 50 mph. I also wonder if a different
prop will yield a better cruise speed. Maybe a 2 blade with more pitch. This
kind of performance may be appealing to a 701 builder. Unfortunately, the
front oil seal started leaking, so I'll have to deal with that before I do
any more testing.
Randy Stout - San Antonio TX
CH601HD N282RS
n282rs@sbcglobal.net
http://www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
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| Subject: | Re: Dramatic decision |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff & Marcia Davidson" <jdavidso@fcc.net>
<snip>
Old Ercoupes did not have any
> zinc chromate and that is why most of them wre no longer airworthy.
Ercoupe
> owners now have to pull their wings off every 3 years to inspect for
> corosion. Ercoupes are made of thicker stuff than 601's are made of. Suit
> yourself though.
> Wayne McIntosh Lafayette IN
<snip>
Wayne - Just think: Most of the Ercoupes were made in 1946. That is about
57 years ago. I'm now 53. 53 and 57 is 110. If I live that long, I
probably will not be flying and the plane will have been parted out by then.
There are also some other production planes out there without corrosion
protection. For me, I still see a lot of Ercoupes around. They are a
desirable plane for many of the same reasons the 601 is. the truth is that
we hear both horror stories and tales of it not mattering so you take your
pick.
Jeff Davidson
do not archive
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| Subject: | 100th anniversary emblem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
I read somewhere about a "100th anniversary of flight" emblem that was
available to any homebuilt that is registered in 2003, but can't
remember WHERE I saw it. Anybody have any info on this?
Rick P.
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| Subject: | Re: Dramatic decision |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman <stutzman@stutzman.com>
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Jeff & Marcia Davidson wrote:
> Wayne - Just think: Most of the Ercoupes were made in 1946. That is about
> 57 years ago. I'm now 53. 53 and 57 is 110. If I live that long, I
> probably will not be flying and the plane will have been parted out by then.
Don't know about you, but I fully expect my planes (a '49 Bonanza and a
701 yet to be started) to out last me and I'm 10 years younger than you.
I plan to will the planes to my children and have them enjoy flying the
planes as much as I have (will).
I've fought a lot of corrosion issues on my Bonanza. Issues that wouldn't
have exist if Beechcraft had given thought that their planes just might
still be flying in 50 years.
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR
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| Subject: | 100th anniversary emblem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lyle Pahnke" <ldpahnke@netwitz.net>
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>
>
>I read somewhere about a "100th anniversary of flight" emblem that was
IT was for sale in EAA Sport Aviation latest issue. LDP
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| Subject: | Re: 100th anniversary emblem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> I read somewhere about a "100th anniversary of flight" emblem that
> was available to any homebuilt that is registered in 2003, but can't
> remember WHERE I saw it. Anybody have any info on this?
Go to www.eaa.org.
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Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
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| Subject: | Re: 100th anniversary emblem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "RJK" <rjk1964@bellsouth.net>
You can find it on the EAA web site. www.eaa.org
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Rick Klucznik
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Pitcher" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 100th anniversary emblem
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>
>
> I read somewhere about a "100th anniversary of flight" emblem that was
> available to any homebuilt that is registered in 2003, but can't
> remember WHERE I saw it. Anybody have any info on this?
>
> Rick P.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dramatic decision |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
In a message dated 8/15/03 12:06:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jdavidso@fcc.net writes:
> Old Ercoupes did not have any
> > zinc chromate and that is why most of them wre no longer airworthy.
> Ercoupe
>
I have had experience with ercoupe corrosion and the primer issue would not
have helped with the spar corrosion which is killing the coupes this year. That
corrosion is from the inside out. The metal will look like pie crust. It
seems that they tried a different alloy for the spar in 46 and it is comming back
to haunt us now. Spending $10,000 to fix a bonanza may be justified. $10,000
for a $15000 coupe may not. I still like the primer idea. Jack Russell Clovis
CA
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| Subject: | Re: Dramatic decision |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
<Snip>
I have had experience with ercoupe corrosion and the primer issue would not
have helped with the spar corrosion which is killing the coupes this year.
<EndSnip>
Jack and others:
With the experience we gain while building our Zodiacs and 701's, how hard
would it be to re-build some ercoupe wings with better material? Are the
plans available? Can you find an Ercoupe in bad shape for a "real deal?"
Sorry if these are dumb questions, but Jack's post got me thinking about
this.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Zodiac/Ercoupe corrosion comparison |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
Let me add my two cents to this discussion by reminding the list that Ercoupes
were skinned with 2024-T3 Alclad, not bare 6061-T6. The two alloys are not directly
comparable so far as corrosion resistance goes. That said, I did find corroded
areas on the interior of my first Ercoupe, especially in areas where the
moisture was trapped by grease and dirt. As I understand the spar corrosion
issue, it relates to the forged end fittings. Proper corrosion protection there
might have prevented the problem, but who then expected that the airplanes would
still be flying 57 years later.
My 601 project has been under construction for longer that I like to admit. Recently
I've noticed evidence of surface corrosion on the skins of my tailplanes
which have been stored in a dry attic for a few years. I'm glad that I decided
to prime all the interior surfaces. I was able to polish the corrosion off the
surface, by the way.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Dramatic decision |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
me, cookwithgas@hotmail.com writes:
> how hard
> would it be to re-build some ercoupe wings with better material? Are the
> plans available? Can you find an Ercoupe in bad shape for a "real deal?"
Scott: The parts are available for a small fortune from Univar. As far as
building parts yourself it would be diffcult since we are dealing with a
certified plane. As far as a "real deal" -buying a coupe as always been a real
deal.
Keeping one is another story unless you happen to be an A&P. One of our
ercoupe members has the orginal plans for the coupe and he says he is going to
build
one from scratch. Good luck
jack russell- clovis ca
P.s Sorry, I know this is not a ercoupe forum. My next post back to Zenith!
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| Subject: | Zac answer to XL axle mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
Nick responded within hours on my question of mounting the axle to gear.
Thank you Nick. It seems that the formula is critical to a level plane so WHY IS
THERE NO MENTION IN ANY ZENITH DOCUMENT!!!. I wonder about those boys sometimes.
Anyway, here it is for you XL builders.
Jack Russell Clovis CA
> Would like to know if you have any
> additional drawings or photos on installing the axle to the landing
> gear.I have the two photos from your index "finishing" and it looks
> like you have cut off quite a bit of the mounting area. I am
> interested in the position of the axle on the flat area of the gear.
ZAC writes:
6-G-3 needs to know the position of the axles on the main gear
spring.
- Fist install the nose gear leg 6G1-1, wheel fork 6G1-2 to the
firewall (fuselage).
* Then Level the fuselage along the Longerons along the top of
the
cabin sides. * Measure up from the floor and record the distance to
the nose wheel axle N * Measure the vertical distance from the
floor to the underside of the Main Gear
Fitting 6B11-4 M
* A M-N
* Turn the Spring Gear 6G3-1 upside down on the floor. Set distance
A from the
floor on the gear as the center of the main wheel axle.
Install the tire and tube to the main wheel rim.
Keep in mind that there will be some compression of the gear
when
the aircraft is on its wheel. Drawing 6-G-3 shows a rubber
spacer
between the spring and the gear attachment =C2=BC=E2=80=9D
Under the XL section of the builder resources of the web site,
there is a diagram of the bolt pattern of the axle. You may also
want to check out the Grove Aircraft web site for further
information on the assembly of the wheels: Axle P/N 5013 500x5
wheels P/N 50-1
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Open Hanger Day |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Open Hanger Day
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen"
<hulens61@birch.net>
>
>
> New, "cleaned up list" of those that will be attending
> Zenith Open Hanger Day, the 23rd.
>
>
> Jeff Small
> Stan Schallgren
> Fred Hulen
> Cleone Maxwell
> John Kunkle
> Michael Stempf
> Rick Beckman
> Gary Liming
> Ray Huffman
> Richard Voss
> Ron Vaughn
> Jerry Erickson
> Al Young
> David Peterson
> Larry adn Bill Landucci
> Gregg Ferris
> Larry McFarland
> Please make the decision, and sign on to attend, it's a lot of fun!
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Zenith Open Hanger Day |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
I'd sure love to do so except it's about 1,300 miles for me!
Do not archive.
GGP
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry McFarland [mailto:larrymc@qconline.com]
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Open Hanger Day
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith Open Hanger Day
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen"
<hulens61@birch.net>
>
>
> New, "cleaned up list" of those that will be attending
> Zenith Open Hanger Day, the 23rd.
>
>
> Jeff Small
> Stan Schallgren
> Fred Hulen
> Cleone Maxwell
> John Kunkle
> Michael Stempf
> Rick Beckman
> Gary Liming
> Ray Huffman
> Richard Voss
> Ron Vaughn
> Jerry Erickson
> Al Young
> David Peterson
> Larry adn Bill Landucci
> Gregg Ferris
> Larry McFarland
> Please make the decision, and sign on to attend, it's a lot of fun!
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Stratus Push-pull Throttle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
In a message dated 8/14/2003 5:17:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
larrymc@qconline.com writes:
> These carbs hit the stops at the same time every time
> and are smooth to operate without springs throughout the full motion.
> Very excited about this change and I've read that more than a few of you
> wished for something better in throttle control
This builder would love to see more info. Can you contact me off list so we
can discuss. I am stalled in my project right now because I am very unhappy
with my electrical and the throttle linkage (safety concerns) and the overall
issues of the Stratus we have all seen recently. I was close to throwing in
the towel and was getting pretty depressed, but dog gone it! I'm to close to
being done to stop.
Steve (95% done, stalled) Freeman
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Open Hanger Day |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
Hi, all
You can add Larry Wood to the list of attendees at the Zenith open hangar
day. (CH70l aborning).
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 100th anniversary emblem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net>
Rick,
This is the EAA Home builder Centennial Data plate. You must be an EAA
member and complete your home built aircraft between December 17,2002
and December 31,2003. For further information you can e-mail EAA
Aviation Information Services at info@eaa.org or call them at
888-EAA-INFO , ext 4821.
Tim Shankland
Rick Pitcher wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>
>
>I read somewhere about a "100th anniversary of flight" emblem that was
>available to any homebuilt that is registered in 2003, but can't
>remember WHERE I saw it. Anybody have any info on this?
>
>Rick P.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dramatic decision |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
--- Jeff & Marcia Davidson <jdavidso@fcc.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff & Marcia Davidson"
> <jdavidso@fcc.net>
>
>
> <snip>
> Old Ercoupes did not have any
> > zinc chromate and that is why most of them wre no longer airworthy.
> Ercoupe
> > owners now have to pull their wings off every 3 years to inspect
> for
> > corosion. Ercoupes are made of thicker stuff than 601's are made
> of. Suit
> > yourself though.
> > Wayne McIntosh Lafayette IN
> <snip>
> Wayne - Just think: Most of the Ercoupes were made in 1946. That is
> about
> 57 years ago. I'm now 53. 53 and 57 is 110. If I live that long, I
> probably will not be flying and the plane will have been parted out
> by then.
Jeff,
What will happen if one of your grandsons will like to keep his Grampas
plane flying and is grounded for corrosion? Well maybe then there
will be a law to prevent airplanes from flying...
Just a thought Dont pay atention and Do Not Archive.
Saludos
Gary Gower
51 years & 4 still unmarried children...
Zinc cromate inside and out, Just in case :-)
701 912S
__________________________________
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net>
I was talking to the people from Warp Drive up at Oshkosh. They claim
that in a 601HD I can gain 5 to 10 mph by using the "Constant Speed
Blade Platform". Does anyone have any real world experience to
substantiate this. It is a $45/blade upgrade.
Tim Shankland
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Stratus Push-pull Throttle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
--- owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
>
> In a message dated 8/14/2003 5:17:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> larrymc@qconline.com writes:
>
> > These carbs hit the stops at the same time every time
> > and are smooth to operate without springs throughout the full
> motion.
> > Very excited about this change and I've read that more than a few
> of you
> > wished for something better in throttle control
>
> This builder would love to see more info. Can you contact me off
> list so we
> can discuss. I am stalled in my project right now because I am very
> unhappy
> with my electrical and the throttle linkage (safety concerns) and the
> overall
> issues of the Stratus we have all seen recently. I was close to
> throwing in
> the towel and was getting pretty depressed, but dog gone it! I'm to
> close to
> being done to stop.
>
> Steve (95% done, stalled) Freeman
>
Steve,
Someone mentioned about a good shop that rebuilt his engine's valve
guides, maybe there is a way out. There are a lot of Subies flying in
diferent airplanes, I dont thing there are so many failures. I suppose
youre in the Soob list... Sorry I am not.
I am lurking for about a year in the GEO list, and I will probably
build a 1,300 cc turbo conversion.
I posted this because I want to encourage all (including myself) to
continue in our projects, same happend to me in my first project and
friends help me out with advise & ecouragement.
This one is my 5th plane I built, I love to buid planes.
Dont give up.
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S
Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZodiacBuilder@aol.com
In a message dated 8/15/2003 9:35:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Grant.Schemmel@Aeroflex.com writes:
> Listers,
>
> Thought I would post this tip for anyone who has or is in the process of
> doing an o-200 for their Zodie. After fighting oil temp issues for about a
> year, I finally bit the bullet and installed an oil cooler, which knocked the
> temps down by 40F. On a 96F day, I'm now getting a max oil temp of 218F, where
> before at 87F I was getting 240F oil temp.
>
> The o-200 only has one access point for an oil cooler, and the same point is
> also used for oil filter adapters. I had the filter already, which made it
> a tough decision, as I didn't want to remove it. However, I found an
> alternative.
>
> An auto sandwich adapter intended for Fords, has the same o-ring diameter
> and thread size as the Champion CH48108 filter used by the spin-on adapter.
> The sandwich adapter fits between the filter and the filter mount, extending
> the center threaded stud. The cooler oil lines tap into it through 3/8"FPT
> ports, and it includes a pressure bypass mechanism to bypass the cooler if it's
> plugged. Cost about $50 at summitracing.com.
>
> The cooler I used was a Positech experimental, smallest I could get, and the
> lines are custom made hydraulic hoses (local auto parts shop), 3/8" inside
> diam., at about $14 ea. Total invested, about $240.
>
> Anyway, just thought I would pass this on.
>
> Grant Schemmel
> Penrose, CO
> 601hds/o-200
>
That's exactly what I did....Temps never go past 200deg. Even on 95deg days.
John W. Tarabocchia
(407) 709-7255
http://hometown.aol.com/Zodiacbuilder
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| Subject: | Re: Dramatic decision |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne McIntosh" <mcintosh3017@insightbb.com>
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne McIntosh"
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dramatic decision
snipping my own message:
snip
Old Ercoupes did not have any
> zinc chromate and that is why most of them wre no longer airworthy.
snip
Ercoupes are made of thicker stuff than 601's are made of. Suit
> yourself though.
snip.
I have seen quite a few wood ultralights that are 20 years old, I bet the
builder did not think he was building a plane that would still be flying 20
years later. You may not keep your plane for 57 years but neither did the
person who bought the new Ercoupe. If you are going to donate your plane to
a childrens museum or send it to the scrap yard when you are tired if it
then fine. If not someone will have to deal with corosion someday it just
may not be you.
Wayne McIntosh Lafayette IN
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
In a message dated 8/15/03 10:32:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ZodiacBuilder@aol.com writes:
> The o-200 only has one access point for an oil cooler, and the same point
> is
> > also used for oil filter adapters. I had the filter already, which made
> it
> > a tough decision, as I didn't want to remove it. However, I found an
> > alternative.
>
I have added a Cool Collar on my Champ (c-85) and it has helped to
keep the oil temp down. They are about $35 or so and attach to the
oil filter. You can run some ducted air to them to help them cool better.
They are a poor mans oil cooler. My iA told me about them, they
are not legal for the champ but it comes off in about 30 seconds.
<A HREF="http://cool-collar.com/">Cool Collar Oil Cooler - From Innovations LLC
Sal Capra
Lakeland, FL
<A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html">My Home Page
http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Duane Evans" <duanee10@pacn.com>
HI ron
The matco tailwheel that come with the 601 kit locks that is steerable with
rudder as it comes from matco you have deflect the rudder about 30 degrees
to unlock it which makes hard to do a short turn. But you can order from
order from matco a 20 degree arms they make a lot to do short turn Duane
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fly info
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
>
> Hi Duane,
> Thanks a lot for the advise. I had heard that the tailwheel was too large
> to let the plane's nose high enough to taliwheel land without hitting the
> tailwheel first. Obviously this is not a problem for you. Glad to hear
it.
> I haven't read a thing about locking the tailwheel. How do you do it? Are
> there any pix or descriptions on doing it? I have heard that the rudder
is
> awesome tho. One friend that used to fly a HDS said he had made safe
> landings in 25 kt crosswinds and had rudder left over.
> Again, thanks for the information.
> Ron
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dramatic decision |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne McIntosh" <mcintosh3017@insightbb.com>
I get my knowlege about Ercoupes from Francis DeFord who owns the airstrip
where I keep my ultralight. Francis owns 4 airworthy and flying Coupes and 3
more that will be flying in the next few years. The other 3 Ercoupes Francis
owns are only good for small parts and making really neat tetrahedons ( wind
direction indicators) The spar cap that corodes is a complex extrusion and
the big rivits that hold the steel forging that helps corosion of the
aluminum can be fixed but is time and skill intensive. A nice Ercoupe is not
worth the time and money it takes to turn a junk coupe into a nice one.
Wayne McIntosh Lafayette IN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dramatic decision
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> <Snip>
> I have had experience with ercoupe corrosion and the primer issue would
not
> have helped with the spar corrosion which is killing the coupes this year.
> <EndSnip>
>
> Jack and others:
>
> With the experience we gain while building our Zodiacs and 701's, how hard
> would it be to re-build some ercoupe wings with better material? Are the
> plans available? Can you find an Ercoupe in bad shape for a "real deal?"
> Sorry if these are dumb questions, but Jack's post got me thinking about
> this.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Aileron vibration CH-300 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
I still need some help please.=0D
=0D
It seems that I still have a little problem with my CH-300 that I just can
not seem to find a fix for.=0D
My CH-300 ailerons vibrate at about 130 mph IAS. If I do not slow down when
this happens then=0D
as you may have guessed the vibration turns into wing and aileron flutter=2E
VERY BAD THING TO HAVE HAPPEN!=0D
=0D
Last year I was able to fly my CH-300 up to 170 mph smoothly with no problem
However over the last winter I=0D
had rebuilt just about every thing on the aircraft and found that the
control cables were rubbing and cutting=0D
through the wing ribs. I moved the pullys forward to correct the problem=2E
I then set the cable tension to 30 lbs which is=0D
what the plans say the tension should be. I can not find a solution to the
aileron vibration and it is really begining to bother me=0D
since I can not fly over 125 mph until I find a fix.=0D
=0D
I have thought about installing aileron spades to help balance the ailerons.
Does anyone have any input on this or any=0D
other possible fix? I don't know where I can purchase aileron spades and am
not sure where to being to construct my own.=0D
I don't want to kill myself while trying to correct this problem.=0D
=0D
Please email me at jeffpaden@madbbs.com with any advise you may have.=0D
=0D
You can see my aircraft at http://www.madbbs.com/~jpaden/CH-300/ if it will
help at all.=0D
=0D
Thank you all=0D
=0D
Jeff Paden=0D
=0D
=0D
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron vibration CH-300 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 8/15/03 8:34 PM, "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com> wrote:
>. I moved the pullys forward to correct the problem.
> I then set the cable tension to 30 lbs which is what the plans say the
> tension should be.
Moving the pulleys might have changed the geometry such that the cables do
not remain taught. I'd recommend making a drawing showing the dimensions of
the modified control system and send it to ZAC for evaluation unless you
know either an aeronautical or mechanical engineer who can evaluate the
geometry to determine if moving the pulleys might be the issue...
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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Build Status: Rudder completed
Elevator Completed
Stabilizer Completed
Flaps Completed
Ailerons Completed
Right Wing Under Completed
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Left Wing Under Construction
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