---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/26/03: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:32 AM - Instrument Panel mockup (RFG842@aol.com) 2. 10:09 AM - Re: N633Z instrument panel - a 601XL - would you like to comment?? (RLucka@aol.com) 3. 12:48 PM - 701 cowl... again (SLONG701@aol.com) 4. 02:30 PM - Gear box (Lowell Metz) 5. 02:38 PM - Re: Gear box (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) 6. 03:53 PM - Re: 701 cowl... again (Gary Gower) 7. 03:54 PM - Presentation & Questions. (Volucer) 8. 04:05 PM - Re: Gear box (Gary Gower) 9. 05:16 PM - Re: 701 cowl... again (SLONG701@aol.com) 10. 07:39 PM - Re: Presentation & Questions. (Jeff & Marcia Davidson) 11. 07:54 PM - Re: Gear box (Jeff Reuschle) 12. 08:25 PM - Re: Presentation & Questions. (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:01 AM PST US From: RFG842@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel mockup --> Zenith-List message posted by: RFG842@aol.com In case anyone hasn't used the instrument panel program, try: http://www.epanelbuilder.com/ Great way of moving stuff around before cutting metal. I sent in my donation; probably saved me a bunch of money and time. Bob, Wichita ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:43 AM PST US From: RLucka@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N633Z instrument panel - a 601XL - would you like to comment?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: RLucka@aol.com Joe I saw your instrument panel mockup and the one thing I want to say is that if you are installing the standard 16-gallon fuel tank that there are two fuel-tank strap hold-up brackets attached to the back side of the IP panel and hence you may need to slightly re-arrange your mockup for the brackets. Good luck! Dick (CH601-HDS, Stratus, 159 hours) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:11 PM PST US From: SLONG701@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 701 cowl... again --> Zenith-List message posted by: SLONG701@aol.com Does the prop flange get centered with the opening in the cowling or does the cowling mount parallel with the fuselage centerline? Thanks ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:22 PM PST US From: "Lowell Metz" Subject: Zenith-List: Gear box --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" I know this may sound rather stupid ( ok I opened myself up to some shots ) but this is my first 4 stroke, having flown Rotax 2 strokes until now. In the 2 stroke gearboxes you add oil to them but as I read the manuals, the 912 box uses the engine oil and circulates it through the gearbox. Is this the right assumption? Lowell Metz 701 Venice FL ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:50 PM PST US From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gear box --> Zenith-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com In a message dated 8/26/03 5:31:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lowellmetz@earthlink.net writes: > I know this may sound rather stupid ( ok I opened myself up to some shots ) > but this is my first 4 stroke, having flown Rotax 2 strokes until now. In > the 2 stroke gearboxes you add oil to them but as I read the manuals, the 912 > box uses the engine oil and circulates it through the gearbox. Is this the > right assumption? > Lowell Metz > 701 > Venice FL > yes Sal Capra Lakeland, FL My Home Page http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:19 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 cowl... again --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Has to be centered with the prop flange, the rear part of the cowling has to be adjusted carefully to the firewall. Is a try and fit process, a little at a time, use a soft pen to mark every new line so you dont over do. We are doing that this week. Almost been there done that :-) We work fiberglass for a living, so we are going to do some cosmetic work to the cowling later, first has to fly! Saludos Gary Gower. --- SLONG701@aol.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: SLONG701@aol.com > > Does the prop flange get centered with the opening in the cowling or > does the > cowling mount parallel with the fuselage centerline? > > Thanks > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:25 PM PST US From: "Volucer" Subject: Zenith-List: Presentation & Questions. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Volucer" I am new to the net and I didn't got any answers to my plans search, dose that mean that I have to present my self before? In any case I am from north Italy Lake Garda working as a research medical doctor and I like to fly. I would like to build my own 601 as before I was thinking about Q2 and KR2S, I realise that I have more experience working with metal then working with wood and I don't want to brief toxic vapours of epoxy for more then a year or so. It is hard to me to decide what to build HD or HDS; it is not the complexity of the HDS that worry me so please fill free to subject any thing else. Dose any body know the gliding efficiency ratio of the HD and of the HDS. Many thanks to all of you and hopping to enjoy the community courtesy. Best Regards, Shahar ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:43 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gear box --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Yes Lowell, is like the modern motorcycles, by the way I will advise you to use only the best motorcycle oil you can find, ask for the one for engine/gear box. The engine will not use oil, so is the same amount every oil change (we were advised to change it every 25 hrs). By the way, the engine is in the plane but has not made started yet. Saludos Gary Gower. --- Lowell Metz wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" > > > I know this may sound rather stupid ( ok I opened myself up to some > shots ) but this is my first 4 stroke, having flown Rotax 2 strokes > until now. In the 2 stroke gearboxes you add oil to them but as I > read the manuals, the 912 box uses the engine oil and circulates it > through the gearbox. Is this the right assumption? > Lowell Metz > 701 > Venice FL > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:26 PM PST US From: SLONG701@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 cowl... again --> Zenith-List message posted by: SLONG701@aol.com Thanks for the heads up. It turned out that 's just the way it worked out. Trial & error. The pilots side ended up to be 1.25" fiberglass overlap & the starboard side is 2" overlap. (Royal Navy talk there!) Needed to cut 1/8" to 1/4" clearance slot for the oil cooler (912s engine). The upper opening will need some refineing with a file to obtain requisite radiator clearance at the ends. Make a 2" slot for the nose fork on centerline & keep it tight for starters & also notches for the 2 small float attach points. From here you can refine your positioning by enlarging the slots on side(s) required. This worked well & we finished today. Although we started with some trepidation, going slowly we resulted in a balanced looking installation which appears to be remarkably rigid. From reading others peoples notes, we don't think much of the ZAC moldings either. Good luck. Stanley (701) & Rich (801) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:10 PM PST US From: "Jeff & Marcia Davidson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Presentation & Questions. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff & Marcia Davidson" Shahar, I would presume that the lack of response means that no one wants to sell their set of plans. Rarely have I seen them for resale. I even bought another builder's kit and he kept the plans. I would suggest strongly that you consider the current model of the 601, the 601 XL. Details are on the ZAC web site. Jeff Davidson ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:12 PM PST US From: "Jeff Reuschle" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gear box --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Reuschle" Yes, that's correct. I had a hard time finding the right oil, it's for motorcycles, and ended up getting it from Lockwood Aviation. It's an oil that will handle the requirements of the engine and the gearbox. Jeff Reuschle 701 Atlanta, GA Almost done! ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gear box > --> Zenith-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com > > In a message dated 8/26/03 5:31:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > lowellmetz@earthlink.net writes: > > > > I know this may sound rather stupid ( ok I opened myself up to some shots ) > > but this is my first 4 stroke, having flown Rotax 2 strokes until now. In > > the 2 stroke gearboxes you add oil to them but as I read the manuals, the 912 > > box uses the engine oil and circulates it through the gearbox. Is this the > > right assumption? > > Lowell Metz > > 701 > > Venice FL > > > > yes > > > Sal Capra > Lakeland, FL > My Home Page > http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:07 PM PST US From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Presentation & Questions. --> Zenith-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com In a message dated 8/26/03 6:55:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, volucer@tin.it writes: > It is hard to me to decide what to build HD or HDS; it is not the > complexity of the HDS that worry me so please fill free to subject any thing else. > The HDS and HD are for the most part the same plane except for the wing panels which can interchange by the way. The real answer comes from Zenair. The newest model is the 601 XL which gives the best performance figures of both (aprox) with the a change in wing design and the addition of flaps. How much do you expect to save on a used set of plans?? (Please do not answer) The real thing to remember is that what comes along with the plans is the factory support and if you look at the price of a new set of plans that support is a good buy. So in closing when you consider that the best penny pincher in the world would still spend thousands to build a 601 - HD-HDS-XL whats another $100 or $200 for new plans instead of used ones from someones closet. One last note.....HD or HDS .....there is no wrong choice. Sal Capra Lakeland, FL N 826W 601HD N 82766 7AC conv My Home Page http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html