Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:15 AM - Re: 601 toe-in (alex trent)
2. 06:07 AM - Re: 601 toe-in (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
3. 06:55 AM - Re: 701 Build Time (Hal Rozema)
4. 07:31 AM - 701 Build Time (H. Robert Schoenberger)
5. 09:12 AM - Build Time Records (Bill Howerton)
6. 09:22 AM - Trunk Paint for Interior Painting (charles.long@gm.com)
7. 09:36 AM - Re: Trunk Paint for Interior Painting (Scott Laughlin)
8. 12:18 PM - Re: 701 Build Time (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
9. 02:57 PM - Re: 701 Build Time (Gary Gower)
10. 05:42 PM - Re: Build Time Records (Ray Montagne)
11. 06:30 PM - More build time..... (ZSMITH3rd@aol.com)
12. 07:27 PM - Re: More build time..... (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
13. 08:31 PM - Pictures from Open Hanger Day (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
14. 08:34 PM - Open hanger pictures (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
15. 08:47 PM - OT Gemini (Mark Townsend)
16. 09:03 PM - Re: OT Gemini (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
I would be careful when checking toe for a tail dragger. You
definitely do not want any toe in.
Neutral to slight toe out helps to keep things going straight.
alex t.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
> I would be careful when checking toe for a tail dragger. You
> definitely do not want any toe in.
> Neutral to slight toe out helps to keep things going straight.
> alex t.
++I'd have to dissagree with that Alex. Check the archives for how
"production tail-draggers" are set up.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Build Time |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
> First time builder in Phoenix.
74 yo architectural designer working full time. Got 701 kit in January 02. Have
550 hours per KitLog. Building in downtown condo patio and garage.
All major components done and waiting final assembly, instrument panel in place
starting wiring and plumbing. Ready for engine installation
Details: Engine Jabiru 3300, Prince P-Tip Prop, Grand Rapids EIS, Anywhere GPS
and AIFS PDAs, everything else straight Zenith. Great support from Nick or
Sebastian at Mexico.
One Step at a Time
Hal Rozema
theplanefolks.net
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" <HRS4@prodigy.net>
I''m a first time 701 builder - have about 400 - 500 hrs into the project so far.
Tail completed and 80% of right wing. It's not the build time that's so
lengthy - it's the studying of the plans and trying to solve problems common to
someone unfamiliar with metal construction. I estimate the ratio of studying
of the plans to actual build time is between 1:1 to 2:1.
Take courage though. It does get easier, and one's confidence level increases
which helps immensely. My guess is that I'll have about 1,500 hours in it by
the time I fly. I just bought 34 acres for a home with an airstrip so I do have
some incentive. Hap Schoenberger
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| Subject: | Build Time Records |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
All this discussion regarding building time has me wondering several things,
and I'd appreciate your inputs. While I'd like everyone's input, I would
really appreciate it if some of you who have already gone through your
airworthiness inspection process to answer (please remember to mention which
country the certification was granted)
1. Is timekeeping mandated by the FAA (or comparable applicable agency), or
are you simply keeping this tally for your own records?
1a. If mandated, what does the inspector want to see?
2. How detailed are your time records?
2a. Are you making a point of breaking up your time records by each
part built? each phase?
3. Are you including your non-building tasks? eg: plans studying time,
internet research time, parts aquisition, replying to people on this thread
etc?
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| Subject: | Trunk Paint for Interior Painting |
09/02/2003 12:22:14 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
I've painted the interior of my 601 with Plasti Kote Trunk Paint.
Used the gray/black/white speckle #305. First, brush primed with Stronium
Chromate (Zinc Chromate I'm sure would work as well). Then sprayed on
Plasti Kote gray primer to get a uniform gray color. Sprayed the speckle
next. Finally, applied a Plasti Kote Clear Top Coat. They recommend this
to waterproof the finish. It amounts to a lot of painting and I suppose
some extra weight. The alternative is carpeting which isn't light either.
Had good results with this stuff and it seems to stick fine. Was a bit
disappointed, however, with the baggage floor area. Difficult to get a
uniform shade of gray/black over the whole thing. Where I overlapped the
paint, it came out slightly darker. Also the beginning of the can has a
different consistency than the end of the can. It starts out heavily
speckled with no shine, and ends less speckled with a more semi-gloss, oily
consistency. Could be my fault, maybe I didn't shake the cans enough? I
think the Top Coat reduces the gloss issue. In the painted areas which
were smaller in size, the results were uniform and very eye pleasing to
look at. The speckling hides inperfections and really gives a finished
appearance that doesn't look like you did it with a spray can in the back
of your garage. I think it also helps to paint the parts in a vertical
orientation to allow the spray can to be held upright. If I had to do it
all over again, I certainly would.
Chuck Long
601HDS, 80% complete
Meanwhile.... We think trunk paint is really cool. We theorize it would be
a simple and utilitarian way to do the interior of an 801. I noticed a lot
of composite aircraft at OSH used it for just that purpose, but didn't see
many (any?) aluminum aircraft that used it. Has anybody experimented with
it on 6061? Maybe it doesn't adhere as well to AL?
Cheers,
Doug "we're using ZnCr after all" Garrou
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| Subject: | Re: Trunk Paint for Interior Painting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
<snip>
"I've painted the interior of my 601 with Plasti Kote Trunk Paint.
Used the gray/black/white speckle #305. "
<endsnip>
Chuck:
That sounds like it turned out well. Can you send me some photos (directly
to my email address -cookwithgas@hotmail.com)?
thanks,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Build Time |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 9/2/2003 9:31:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
HRS4@prodigy.net writes:
>
> Take courage though. It does get easier, and one's confidence level
> increases which helps immensely.
>
>
So right! As another first time builder I'm at about the same point with my
701. Tail
> done, right wing at 80%. Took me awhile to realize that there are 13
> airfoils to be constructed for the 701. I'm aiming to do the fuselage next, need
a
> place to hang the engine. And the airfoils.
>
> Since it is easy to make mistakes, that usually take 500% more time to
> correct than to make them, I have been using an incomplete check list as a work
> aid. The check list is intended to help with thinking things through, and to
> help with the building process.
>
> Builder Check List - With room to add your ideas.
>
> Think!! Don't rush it.
>
>
Drawing review & conformance.
> Manual " " "
> Info sources-EAA Manuals [Tony B], 43-13-1a & 1b, others.
>
NO RIVET ZONES-LAY THEM OUT.
>
> Basics of-
> Fit
> Form
> Function
> Finish
> Location-
> Rivet lines
> Edge distance
> Spacing- of 1st rivet at each end
> Pilot holes-use them
> Spacing of each rivet line
> Rivet Holes- size- location- straight
> Deeburr- Clean- Corrosion treat-
> Drive vs Pull decision-
> WORKMANSHIP-
>
> Think!! Don't rush it!! It will save time in the long run.
>
> Regards, Jerry Erickson, CH 701SP
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Build Time |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Also depends very much in how do you like your finishing. Details take
a lot of time. a "comercial" finish in the parts, might be in the 600
hrs, but if you want it to look like you are not "paid for the day"
when you built it, then at least 1,000 hrs... Round the corners, hide
the cables, aply a little touch up, you name it.
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S instruments and Final(?) assembly... ~950 hrs 14 months
601 XL in the box.
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
--- ZSMITH3rd@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
>
> I would say that anybody can build their SECOND 701 in 400 hours.
> Might build the third one in 350 hours. It gets easier AFTER you've
> done it.
>
> Zed Smith/701/R912/everything done but finishing up
> do not archive
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__________________________________
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Build Time Records |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 9/2/03 9:11 AM, "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com> wrote:
> 1. Is timekeeping mandated by the FAA (or comparable applicable agency), or
> are you simply keeping this tally for your own records?
> 1a. If mandated, what does the inspector want to see?
> 2. How detailed are your time records?
> 2a. Are you making a point of breaking up your time records by each
> part built? each phase?
> 3. Are you including your non-building tasks? eg: plans studying time,
> internet research time, parts aquisition, replying to people on this thread
> etc?
>
Although I haven't gotten to the certification stage, I did have a
conversation with an EAA Technical Counselor who indicated that detailed and
accurate construction records along with photos that show you working on
various stages of the project will help you in obtaining the repairman's
certificate that will allow you to make your own annual condition
inspections. The degree that this is needed is probably depends on the DAR
that you are dealing with...
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
===========================================================================
Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL, Jabiru 3300
Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
Build Status: Rudder completed
Elevator Completed
Stabilizer Completed
Flaps Completed
Ailerons Completed
Right Wing Under Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Left Wing Under Construction
===========================================================================
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| Subject: | More build time..... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
Didn't ZAC build a 601 in four days at Sun 'n Fun two or three years ago?
And flew it, too?
Zed Smith/701/R912
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: More build time..... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
In a message dated 9/2/03 9:31:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
writes:
> Didn't ZAC build a 601 in four days at Sun 'n Fun two or three years ago?
> And flew it, too?
>
7 days. 1993 SNF
Sal Capra
Lakeland, FL
<A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html">My Home Page
http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html
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| Subject: | Pictures from Open Hanger Day |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
Check out the Zenith web site guys. Jeff Small and I sent pictures taken at Open
Hanger Day to Sebastian Heintz and he has now posted 21 of them. Click on
"news and media center" (found on Zenith opening page), then click on "Photos
from Zenith's 12th annual Open Hangar Day: Aug. 23, 2003".
Fred Hulen
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| Subject: | Open hanger pictures |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
I don't know if this will work for you, but here's the exact web site for Open
Hanger Day.
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo61-oh2003.html
Clicking on it may get you there without going through all the links.
Fred
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Mark Townsend
601XL EA-82MPFI Turbo
Alma, Ontario
Hi Fred
What was said about the timetable for the Gemini's release
Mark Townsend
601XL EA-82MPFI Turbo
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
> What was said about the timetable for the Gemini's release
++ I didn't here anything in that regard.
Fred
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