---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/09/03: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:00 AM - Re: Rudder position in an XL (David Barth) 2. 10:57 AM - CH701 lights (Ashcraft, Keith -AES) 3. 11:21 AM - Re: CH701 lights (Eddie G.) 4. 11:39 AM - Re: CH701 lights (Carlos Sa) 5. 01:59 PM - Re: CH701 lights (Robin Gould) 6. 02:04 PM - Re: CH701 lights (Ashcraft, Keith -AES) 7. 02:12 PM - Re: Rudder position in an XL (CLOJAN@aol.com) 8. 02:21 PM - Re: CH701 lights (Larry McFarland) 9. 03:56 PM - Re: CH701 lights (Ed Kramer) 10. 06:13 PM - Re: CH701 lights (Benford2@aol.com) 11. 06:20 PM - Re: Rudder position in an XL (Frank Jones) 12. 06:24 PM - 601XL snag notes (Frank Jones) 13. 08:32 PM - (no subject) (tony webster) 14. 08:57 PM - Re: (no subject) (Ray Montagne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:16 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder position in an XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Hi Bill. I sat in the demonstrator at Oshkosh and found it fit perfectly - rudder pedal placement wise. I believe those pedals are at 245 from the front wall but you will want to check that. I am about the same size as you. 5'9" with a 31" inseam. Haven't placed mine yet but will be modeling after the demo. Hope that helps a little. David do not archive > Is there anyone else in that size range? what did > you set your rudder pedal > position to? > > Bill Howerton > 601 XL - Corvair > Tail done; > Just started the motor rebuild; > fuselage in progress > ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder Still making parts. Nose Ribs Done and about half the rear ribs for the wings. Stab and elevator waiting for skins. Flaps, ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection. __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:57:52 AM PST US From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" Hello All, It seems like not a whole lot of traffic has been moving here lately, so I will ask a question. Has anybody thought about or fitted a CH701 with lights for night flying? I am a long ways from this right now, but I just wanted to start thinking about what to do when the time comes!! Keith CH701 tail section 95%--kit everything else---------scratch N 38.9917 W 105.1349 ALT. 9,100' ************************************* ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:47 AM PST US From: "Eddie G." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eddie G." Keith, The biggest source of lamp burnouts on the prop planes is the engine vibration. Leave it to big manufacturers to stick the lamps right inside the cowling! You want it as far away from the engine as you can, somewhere in the wing. Look at Cessna's new lineup of 172 or 182. By the time you're done you might even find some LED landing lights to put them in a low profile straight line like some of the new concept cars. Eddie At 10:49 AM 09/09/2003, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" > > >Hello All, >It seems like not a whole lot of traffic has been moving here lately, so >I will ask a question. Has anybody thought about or fitted a CH701 with >lights for night flying? I am a long ways from this right now, but I >just wanted to start thinking about what to do when the time comes!! > >Keith >CH701 tail section 95%--kit >everything else---------scratch > >N 38.9917 >W 105.1349 >ALT. 9,100' > >************************************* > > >************************************ >If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for >the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this >message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such >a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should >destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. >Information contained in this message that does not relate to the >business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. >************************************ > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:36 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Hi, Keith I asked Nick what is the recommended location for lights (assuming you are mounting them on the wing's leading edge). He said "near the tip" (or words to that effect). That was regarding the 601, but I presume it also applies to the 701. If you want some additional information, there has been some recent discussion on the Aeroelectric list. You can subscribe to the list or simply browse the complete archives or weekly archive. Carlos > It seems like not a whole lot of traffic has been moving here lately, so > I will ask a question. Has anybody thought about or fitted a CH701 with > lights for night flying? I am a long ways from this right now, but I > just wanted to start thinking about what to do when the time comes!! > > Keith > CH701 tail section 95%--kit > everything else---------scratch > > N 38.9917 > W 105.1349 > ALT. 9,100' > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:26 PM PST US From: Robin Gould Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robin Gould Keith, Here is a site that features some interesting LED Position Lights. Not a direct application but Maybe........ http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm Rob G. Ashcraft, Keith -AES wrote: > > >Hello All, > Has anybody thought about or fitted a CH701 with >lights for night flying? > >Keith > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:30 PM PST US From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" Thanks, Eddie and Carlos. It gave me some ideas, and avenues that I can go down. Keith CH701 tail section 95%--kit everything else---------scratch Buzz me anytime if your in the area!! N 38.9917 W 105.1349 ALT. 9,100' ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:12 PM PST US From: CLOJAN@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder position in an XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com Bill: I had this same problem a few months ago. Not knowing how the thing will "sit" I decided to place the peddles where the plans showed in the original position. Now that I can sit in the fuselage it seems about right. I won't know for sure until the seat pad is installed but I figured I could move the whole thing is I had to. Jack Russell 5'11- 32" inseam -175lbs- blue eyes- blond XL -Fuselage jab 3300 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:47 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 lights > Hello All, Has anybody thought about or fitted a CH701 with > lights for night flying? I am a long ways from this right now, but I > just wanted to start thinking about what to do when the time comes!! > > Keith Keith, First consider if you fly anywhere near a control tower. Having lights suggests itself when you're trying to make a destination after the sun is nearly gone or when it snows and obscures the sun. I've done both without lights and would have loved to have had them at the time. The inclination to say yes to both instrument remote lighting, wing tip and landing lights if possible, but if you fly from your own turf, the hassle of putting more than a wind driven generator and battery may seem a bit much. In either case, take a flashlight and your GPS too! Respectfully, it's your call. Larry C. McFarland - 601hds at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:15 PM PST US From: "Ed Kramer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" > I will ask a question. Has anybody thought about or fitted a CH701 with > lights for night flying? Keith, This year at Oshkosh I seen a 701 with a landing light built in the leading edge slat on the left wing. It looked like a simple task. The light was small and had a flush Plexiglas cover riveted to the skin, and it wasn't adjustable in any way. Ed Kramer West Seneca, NY CH 701 edair701@adelphia.net Build Status: Rudder completed Left wing complete Right wing 98% ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:05 PM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 9/9/2003 11:59:01 AM Mountain Daylight Time, Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com writes: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" < > Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com> > > Hello All, > It seems like not a whole lot of traffic has been moving here lately, so > I will ask a question. Has anybody thought about or fitted a CH701 with > lights for night flying? I am a long ways from this right now, but I > just wanted to start thinking about what to do when the time comes!! > > Keith > CH701 tail section 95%--kit > everything else---------scratch > > N 38.9917 > W 105.1349 > ALT. 9,100' > > ************************************* > > Why not. Where are ya at being at 9200 MSL???? do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:23 PM PST US From: "Frank Jones" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rudder position in an XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" Once you've fixed the rudder position you can still play with it a bit by lengthing or shortening the rudder cable turnbuckles and steering rods. Try to make sure that you've built your rudder cables to the range of adjustment can be accomodated. I'm at the extreme extension of my cables with 3 threads showing on the turnbuckles and wish I'd made my cables about 10mm longer, but the fit isn't too bad. Frank Jones C-GYXQ 601XL/912S Final Inspection Done Clearing Snags -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Howerton Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder position in an XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" As I round the corner in my fuselage building, I noticed that in the next section of the plans I am to decide on the position of the rudder pedals. This is of course without the aid of an available set of adjustable XL seat and pedals to measure against. Talk about having to take shots in the dark! I've searched the archives to little avail, so I'm asking for your inputs where you guys set yours at. I noticed that this question has been asked before, but no one seems to have gotten a coherent answer. Perhaps ZAC and company might consider putting a simple chart on their website According to the plans (6-B-9 and instructions 6-B-8 page 1), they can be set from 245 to 200 mm from the front of the cabin floor skin and the firewall. I'm a fairly short man - 5'8" with a 31 inch inseam. Normally when I fly in a 172, I have to push the seat almost all the way forward, and crank it up to it's highest position to be able to comfortabley manipulate the pedals and to allow me to see over the cowling. Is there anyone else in that size range? what did you set your rudder pedal position to? Bill Howerton 601 XL - Corvair Tail done; Just started the motor rebuild; fuselage in progress direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:41 PM PST US From: "Frank Jones" Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL snag notes --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" I just had my final inspection done and the inspector snagged me on 3 design related issues. Thought I'd share them with you for consideration. IMO the concerns are valid. 1. The rudder attach bolts in my plans called for an AN3-5A and AN3-6A. The inspector insists on using AN3-5 and AN3-6 with castle nuts on this. 2. He would not pass the plane without a change to the fuel selector valves. Specifically he insisted on a single 3-way valve to be placed away from passenger's feet. Two reasons. 1) the design places the right valve at the passengers feet, 2) a two valve system is more error prone than a single valve. (i.e. only one valve should be open at a time, and a single shutoff point should be provided not multiples). Weatherhead offers a $20 3-way valve that solves this problem. Worth considering swapping out the two independent valves for this single valve. 3. He has asked that I recheck that the M-bolts provided in the firewall forward kit to attach the prop extension to the hub on the engine are long enough. The bolts appear to be holding by approximately 6 threads, and the end of the bolt is clearly recessed inside the lug nuts. He feels that the bolts should be long enough to come out the end of the lug nut at least. I'm checking with Zenith on this. Frank Jones - C-GYXQ - 601XL / 912S ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:22 PM PST US From: tony webster Subject: Zenith-List: (no subject) --> Zenith-List message posted by: tony webster where can i find a list of the AD"s for the CH300 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: (no subject) From: Ray Montagne --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne On 9/9/03 10:24 PM, "tony webster" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: tony webster > > Where can I find a list of the AD's for the CH300? > Try for Airworthiness Directives on file with the FAA. Please note that only certificated aircraft are listed on the FAA web site. 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