---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/10/03: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:34 AM - Re: (no subject) (Bryan Martin) 2. 06:52 AM - Landing Light Installation on the 601HDS (charles.long@gm.com) 3. 08:29 AM - 701 lights (H. Robert Schoenberger) 4. 09:57 AM - Re: 701 lights (Hal Rozema) 5. 01:02 PM - 701 Lights (RURUNY@aol.com) 6. 01:46 PM - Seat Fabrication - 601HDS (charles.long@gm.com) 7. 02:27 PM - Re: Rudder position in an XL (Gary Gower) 8. 03:11 PM - Re: Seat Fabrication - 601HDS () 9. 03:19 PM - Re: Seat Fabrication - 601HDS (Frank Jones) 10. 04:51 PM - Re: Seat Fabrication - 601HDS (Jeff Small) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: (no subject) From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin on 9/10/03 1:24 AM, tony webster at caw@nctc.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: tony webster > > where can > i find a > list of > the AD"s > for the > CH300 AD's are only issued for certificated aircraft not for homebuilts. The designer of a homebuilt may issue notices of any design changes he feels should be made. You should check with Zenith Aircraft. http://www.zenithair.com/ -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Airframe construction complete. Panel and engine installed. Working on electrical and interior. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:04 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Landing Light Installation on the 601HDS From: charles.long@gm.com 09/10/2003 09:50:04 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com Since the subject of Landing light location has come up, I would be willing to share my approach with those interested. Ended up mounting two redundant 55w halogen driving lights just ahead of the landing gear boxes. Also included fairings to reduce drag. Kills two birds with one stone. Installation came out looking pretty nice. Cost about $30 and took less than 8 hours to make with simple tools. Can provide pics if you Email me direct. Chuck Long N601LE, 80% complete ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:15 AM PST US From: "H. Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" List . . . Why not consider some sort of light mounted on the strut. It would be simple and easy to maintain. I intend to put my pitot tube on the strut for the same reason. Hap Schoenberger, 701 tail complete, working on right wing. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:58 AM PST US From: Hal Rozema Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema I figure the 701 is such a draggy design (sweet, and neat, but a box none the less) that I chose a simple way to accomplish two things. Most certified planes have a taxi and landing light. VSTOL designs need a normal landing and a VSTOL (extreme high angle of attack) landing light. They will also serve as taxi and landing lights. At AutoZone or Whitney catalogue I bought a pair of "off road" high intensity 380,000cp 100 watt 3"x6" prox. driving lights. These are mounted under the seat, just ahead of the landing gear channel with a .060 doubler inside. Individual switches on my power bus. They can be adjust separately, one forward and one downward. Hal Rozema theplanefolks.net VSTOL 701/J3300 N701PF "H. Robert Schoenberger" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" > > List . . . Why not consider some sort of light mounted on the strut. It would be simple and easy to maintain. I intend to put my pitot tube on the strut for the same reason. Hap Schoenberger, 701 tail complete, working on right wing. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:14 PM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Lights --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com Go to this link to see a 701 with light on slat leading edge. http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7updates.html about the 4th picture down. This was the back cover picture on experimenter magazine in the August issue, and the plane says Skyshops on the side of it. When I install a landing/taxi light this is how I will probably do it. Brian ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:44 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Seat Fabrication - 601HDS From: charles.long@gm.com 09/10/2003 04:45:40 PM --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I was have trouble coming up with comfortable seats for my HDS. Was using 1.5" green foam from JoAnn Fabrics for the back and leg rest cushions. Tried thicker 2" and then 3" green foam for the bottom cushion which wedges in between the other two. My back and legs were comfortable enough, but my posterior felt caught in a clamshell. Not a very comfortable feeling. To make a long story short, I took a gamble and purchased a piece of 3" x 16" x 18" temper foam from Aircraft Spruce for $80 (p/n 01-09300). This material was supposedly used for astronaut seats and the price reflects it too. At any rate I was able to get by with one piece and cut it into 2 wedges using the family's electric kitchen knife. This tool worked great but I had to do some fast talking when my wife caught me using it! The finished product fits nicely between & on top of the back & leg cushions. The new material choice made all the difference in the world. You sink into this stuff to a comfortable degree but because it's three layers of progressively stiffer foam, you no longer get "The Wedges". ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:21 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder position in an XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower When we were installing the peddles we had similar problems, betwen the four persons that will fly our 701 (Dad, Larry, Myself and Carlos our friend and building partner) there is a diference in height of about 8 inches, so our fist idea was to make to set of holes (forward and rear) make the rudder cables fit the shorter position and use larger cables plates (7-C-6-1) that could reach both positions. and have two sets of threaded steel rods for the steering rods (7-L-1-2J). we initially installed per plans (forward position). Now that the cabin is finished and we could "ground test" the cabin, we came with a better solution: We have a set of pillows (sp? right word?)custom made that will fasten with velcro to the "taller" upholstery for the shorter pilots, when the pillows are not used they will be in the bagagge compartment with the velcros, now we have both systems, the one that works better will stay, of course will keep you posted when the plane gets to fly (HOPE SOON). Saludos Gary Gower 701 912S --- CLOJAN@aol.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com > > Bill: I had this same problem a few months ago. Not knowing how the > thing > will "sit" I decided to place the peddles where the plans showed in > the original > position. Now that I can sit in the fuselage it seems about right. I > won't > know for sure until the seat pad is installed but I figured I could > move the > whole thing is I had to. > Jack Russell > 5'11- 32" inseam -175lbs- blue eyes- blond > XL -Fuselage > jab 3300 > > > > > > > > __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:30 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Seat Fabrication - 601HDS From: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Check the archives: I've been flying the 3-layer Temperfoam for 400 hours in the seat bottom with 2' foam in the backrest. No issues. GGP ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:49 PM PST US From: "Frank Jones" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Seat Fabrication - 601HDS --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" If you have to buy Temperfoam in the future you might take a look at Wicks. I found it was substantially cheaper than Aircraft Spruce. Frank Jones C-GYXQ 601XL/912S -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of charles.long@gm.com Subject: Zenith-List: Seat Fabrication - 601HDS --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I was have trouble coming up with comfortable seats for my HDS. Was using 1.5" green foam from JoAnn Fabrics for the back and leg rest cushions. Tried thicker 2" and then 3" green foam for the bottom cushion which wedges in between the other two. My back and legs were comfortable enough, but my posterior felt caught in a clamshell. Not a very comfortable feeling. To make a long story short, I took a gamble and purchased a piece of 3" x 16" x 18" temper foam from Aircraft Spruce for $80 (p/n 01-09300). This material was supposedly used for astronaut seats and the price reflects it too. At any rate I was able to get by with one piece and cut it into 2 wedges using the family's electric kitchen knife. This tool worked great but I had to do some fast talking when my wife caught me using it! The finished product fits nicely between & on top of the back & leg cushions. The new material choice made all the difference in the world. You sink into this stuff to a comfortable degree but because it's three layers of progressively stiffer foam, you no longer get "The Wedges". direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:14 PM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat Fabrication - 601HDS Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:50:28 -0400 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" >Check the archives: I've been flying the 3-layer Temperfoam for 400 hours in seat bottom with 2' >foam in the backrest. No issues. Amen. Same setup as George. Ten hours in the seat out to Kansas City last month - not a single "hot spot." On the return did a 3.4 hour non stop from Cincinnati-Blue Ash to N94 (390 miles) without ever noticing the seat - and not noticing the seat is the best of endorsements. BTW, Wicks has the stuff much cheaper than ACS. http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/2Carving%20Foam%20Seats.html#TopOfPage tailwinds jeff