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1. 04:23 AM - 7F14 page outdated (Johann)
2. 07:52 AM - Re: 7F14 page outdated (Gary Gower)
3. 08:09 AM - Avery Tools (Scott Laughlin)
4. 08:54 AM - Re: Avery Tools (Bill Cardell)
5. 10:02 AM - Position of Venturi (r.p.reynolds)
6. 11:03 AM - Re: Avery Tools (Don Walker)
7. 12:14 PM - Re: Avery Tools (CLOJAN@aol.com)
8. 12:19 PM - Re: Avery Tools (Bill Cardell)
9. 02:49 PM - Re Flame Mykael not Avery (CLOJAN@aol.com)
10. 02:55 PM - Re: Avery Tools (Larry McFarland)
11. 03:01 PM - Re: Position of Venturi (Larry McFarland)
12. 03:10 PM - Re: Avery Tools/Stratus stuff (Don Walker)
13. 03:22 PM - Re: Position of Venturi (Dave Austin)
14. 03:57 PM - Re: Position of Venturi (wizard-24@juno.com)
15. 04:04 PM - Re: Avery Tools (Bill Cardell)
16. 06:35 PM - 801 project has to go away (IngrJ181@aol.com)
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| Subject: | 7F14 page outdated |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Hello list members.
I need your help with one page in the drawings. I have updated my plans
once from Zenith and have the 4th edition 06/2001.
Some changes have been made to page 7-F-14 since then, mostly to the
cowl support parts.
I am about to bolt on the engine mount on the firewall, and any parts
needed for the firewall=B4s sides would be best to attach at this stage.
Does anyone have the latest page for the forward fuselage details
7-F-14? I can not find this page on Zenith=B4s homepage.
Your help would be greatly appreciated.
Kindest regards,
Johann G.
Iceland
www.gi.is/fis
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| Subject: | Re: 7F14 page outdated |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Johann,
The page in our plans is 4th Edition 02/2002 We bought the 701 kit
in May/2002 if this is the latest, count on a copy, just send me your
street mail address.
Anyone has a newer version?
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S last details
601 XL in the box
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
--- Johann <johann@gi.is> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
>
> Hello list members.
>
> I need your help with one page in the drawings. I have updated my
> plans
> once from Zenith and have the 4th edition 06/2001.
> Some changes have been made to page 7-F-14 since then, mostly to the
> cowl support parts.
> I am about to bolt on the engine mount on the firewall, and any parts
> needed for the firewall=B4s sides would be best to attach at this
> stage.
> Does anyone have the latest page for the forward fuselage details
> 7-F-14? I can not find this page on Zenith=B4s homepage.
>
> Your help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Johann G.
> Iceland
> www.gi.is/fis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Fellow Zenith Builders:
I am relatively new to airplane building - I started in Jan. -03 - and I
have met some nice people along the way. A few days ago I called Avery
Tools for the first time. I had decided to purchase a tool, but before they
would let me place the order, they asked what I wanted it for. I explained
and Mr. Bob Avery talked me out of it. He actually saved me over $100
because he said what I wanted was overkill and he explained a cheaper
alternative even though it meant my purchasing from somebody else.
I wanted to share this with everyone because it was a very nice thing to do
and in doing so, Bob lost a sale. The truth is he gained more sales because
I'll go to Avery Tools first from now on. I actually placed my first order
with them yesterday.
The list seemed a little slow today, so I hope nobody minds me putting in a
good word for Avery Tools due to a good experience with them.
Have a good day,
Scott Laughlin
601XL / Corvair
www.cooknwithgas.com
P.S. You can download their catalog in *.PDF files for off-line viewing /
dreaming.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
Scott,
Thanks! We certainly shouldn't mind, that's exactly the type of info that
should be disseminated, IMHO. On another note, had a conversation with
Mykael at Stratus last night. He seems to believe that any valve guide
issues were caused by overheated engines. Any input?
do not archive
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
bill@flyinmiata.com
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
http://flyinmiata.com
http://flyinprotege.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Laughlin [mailto:cookwithgas@hotmail.com]
Subject: Zenith-List: Avery Tools
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Fellow Zenith Builders:
I am relatively new to airplane building - I started in Jan. -03 - and I
have met some nice people along the way. A few days ago I called Avery
Tools for the first time. I had decided to purchase a tool, but before they
would let me place the order, they asked what I wanted it for. I explained
and Mr. Bob Avery talked me out of it. He actually saved me over $100
because he said what I wanted was overkill and he explained a cheaper
alternative even though it meant my purchasing from somebody else.
I wanted to share this with everyone because it was a very nice thing to do
and in doing so, Bob lost a sale. The truth is he gained more sales because
I'll go to Avery Tools first from now on. I actually placed my first order
with them yesterday.
The list seemed a little slow today, so I hope nobody minds me putting in a
good word for Avery Tools due to a good experience with them.
Have a good day,
Scott Laughlin
601XL / Corvair
www.cooknwithgas.com
P.S. You can download their catalog in *.PDF files for off-line viewing /
dreaming.
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| Subject: | Position of Venturi |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "r.p.reynolds" <r.p.reynolds@blueyonder.co.uk>
Zenair fans,
I have at last got my 601 into the air. It has flown 3.5 hours so far.
Question does anyone know if a venturi 8" will work on this aircraft if so were
is the best place to locate it so it gives enough vacuum. I have mine placed
under the aircraft just in front of the main spar a couple of inches inside the
cockpit left side. I am only getting 2" of murcury at the monent.
The aircrafts performance seems very good at this early stage. Engine is the Rotax
912S
Any help would be great.
Regards
Paul
G-CCED UK.
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Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:03:08 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com>
Bill,
That is sad to hear regarding Mykel's assessment of this problem. It is clear
that failures occurred in heads that never reached the 230 degree red line for
Stratus engines. My temp plug is in perfect shape on the original head. And
the replacement he sent me failed also, though it was flown more gently than
the first. Both had knurled guides. Of course, his modification of the guides
by changing to the bronze alloy and putting retaining rings on them seems to
be acknowledgment of a problem, doesn't it?
He seems like a nice guy, but has denied this in a seemingly naieve way from
the beginning. Don Walker do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Cardell
To: 'zenith-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Avery Tools
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
Scott,
Thanks! We certainly shouldn't mind, that's exactly the type of info that
should be disseminated, IMHO. On another note, had a conversation with
Mykael at Stratus last night. He seems to believe that any valve guide
issues were caused by overheated engines. Any input?
do not archive
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
bill@flyinmiata.com
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
http://flyinmiata.com
http://flyinprotege.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Laughlin [mailto:cookwithgas@hotmail.com]
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Avery Tools
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Fellow Zenith Builders:
I am relatively new to airplane building - I started in Jan. -03 - and I
have met some nice people along the way. A few days ago I called Avery
Tools for the first time. I had decided to purchase a tool, but before they
would let me place the order, they asked what I wanted it for. I explained
and Mr. Bob Avery talked me out of it. He actually saved me over $100
because he said what I wanted was overkill and he explained a cheaper
alternative even though it meant my purchasing from somebody else.
I wanted to share this with everyone because it was a very nice thing to do
and in doing so, Bob lost a sale. The truth is he gained more sales because
I'll go to Avery Tools first from now on. I actually placed my first order
with them yesterday.
The list seemed a little slow today, so I hope nobody minds me putting in a
good word for Avery Tools due to a good experience with them.
Have a good day,
Scott Laughlin
601XL / Corvair
www.cooknwithgas.com
P.S. You can download their catalog in *.PDF files for off-line viewing /
dreaming.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
Thanks Scott. I forwarded your letter to Avery with my note of thanks and a
promise to look at their cat first. Customer service is alive and well
(someplaces).
Jack Russell
Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
Well, it didn't make me feel warm and fuzzy that only "maybe 3" had failed.
Three out of whatever limited number is perhaps acceptable in an automobile,
but where gravity plays a larger role, it's scary. I'll be pulling mine
apart, even though it's never been run (purchased by someone else in '97, so
before Mykel's time). Similar response on the motor mounts, that there's a
lot more vibration in airplanes than in cars, so that'll happen. No comment
on changing the design, he's just being very careful welding them now.
do not archive
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
bill@flyinmiata.com
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
http://flyinmiata.com
http://flyinprotege.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Walker [mailto:dwalk3dw@msn.com]
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Avery Tools
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com>
Bill,
That is sad to hear regarding Mykel's assessment of this problem. It is
clear that failures occurred in heads that never reached the 230 degree red
line for Stratus engines. My temp plug is in perfect shape on the original
head. And the replacement he sent me failed also, though it was flown more
gently than the first. Both had knurled guides. Of course, his modification
of the guides by changing to the bronze alloy and putting retaining rings on
them seems to be acknowledgment of a problem, doesn't it?
He seems like a nice guy, but has denied this in a seemingly naieve way
from the beginning. Don Walker do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Cardell
To: 'zenith-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Avery Tools
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
Scott,
Thanks! We certainly shouldn't mind, that's exactly the type of info that
should be disseminated, IMHO. On another note, had a conversation with
Mykael at Stratus last night. He seems to believe that any valve guide
issues were caused by overheated engines. Any input?
do not archive
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
bill@flyinmiata.com
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
http://flyinmiata.com
http://flyinprotege.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Laughlin [mailto:cookwithgas@hotmail.com]
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Avery Tools
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Fellow Zenith Builders:
I am relatively new to airplane building - I started in Jan. -03 - and I
have met some nice people along the way. A few days ago I called Avery
Tools for the first time. I had decided to purchase a tool, but before
they
would let me place the order, they asked what I wanted it for. I
explained
and Mr. Bob Avery talked me out of it. He actually saved me over $100
because he said what I wanted was overkill and he explained a cheaper
alternative even though it meant my purchasing from somebody else.
I wanted to share this with everyone because it was a very nice thing to
do
and in doing so, Bob lost a sale. The truth is he gained more sales
because
I'll go to Avery Tools first from now on. I actually placed my first
order
with them yesterday.
The list seemed a little slow today, so I hope nobody minds me putting in
a
good word for Avery Tools due to a good experience with them.
Have a good day,
Scott Laughlin
601XL / Corvair
www.cooknwithgas.com
P.S. You can download their catalog in *.PDF files for off-line viewing /
dreaming.
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| Subject: | Re Flame Mykael not Avery |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
In a message dated 9/12/03 3:20:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bill@flyinmiata.com writes:
> Thanks! We certainly shouldn't mind, that's exactly the type of info that
> should be disseminated, IMHO. On another note, had a conversation with
> Mykael at Stratus last night. He seems to believe that any valve guide
> issues were caused by overheated engines. Any input?
>
Just a reminder to change the subject line when you start a new thread. By
leaving it the same I am seeing all of this negative response to Avery tools
(who we were just praising) even though they have nothing to do with it. Sorry
Jack Russell
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Avery Tools
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
>
> Scott,
> Thanks! We certainly shouldn't mind, that's exactly the type of info that
> should be disseminated, IMHO. On another note, had a conversation with
> Mykael at Stratus last night. He seems to believe that any valve guide
> issues were caused by overheated engines. Any input?
Bill,
I think Mykal's right. There are a lot of Subarus by Stratus rolling up a
lot of
good flying hours. The problems you reference seem to be caused by the
cooling arrangement used on the Zenith 601. The exhaust muffler is right in
front of
incoming air, the nose gear and the radiator risers attaching to hoses all
contribute
to an obstructive and corrupted sort of airflow. Even so, a good number of
601s with Stratus Soobs seem to get along fine when the temps are
kept down. I'd be hard pressed to blame the Stratus, but the installation
and location of the radiator per Zenith.
Larry C. McFarland - 601(Stratus) @ www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Position of Venturi |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Position of Venturi
> Zenair fans,
>
> I have at last got my 601 into the air. It has flown 3.5 hours so far.
> Question does anyone know if a venturi 8" will work on this aircraft if so
were is the best place to locate it so it gives enough vacuum. I have mine
placed under the aircraft just in front of the main spar a couple of inches
inside the cockpit left side. I am only getting 2" of murcury at the monent.
> The aircrafts performance seems very good at this early stage. Engine is
the Rotax 912S
>
> Any help would be great.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
> G-CCED UK.
Congratulations Paul!
You've got to be a happy person after all.
I've noticed that most 601 venturi's I've seen were above the wing
approximately where
you describe, just forward and down from the instrument panel on the left
side.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Avery Tools/Stratus stuff |
Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:10:22 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com>
Ah, I see. If that is what he said, then he is minimizing this also by misrepresenting
the number of failures. I can think of at least six right off the top
of my head.
I also informed him that the engineer I consulted said that this was a poor
design on the upper right engine mount and told him why. I sent him pictures of
the cracked mount bracket. The welding IS NOT the problem with the brackets.
Even I can see that. This attitude is disturbing, no matter how nice a guy he
is. Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Cardell
To: 'zenith-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Avery Tools
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
Well, it didn't make me feel warm and fuzzy that only "maybe 3" had failed.
Three out of whatever limited number is perhaps acceptable in an automobile,
but where gravity plays a larger role, it's scary. I'll be pulling mine
apart, even though it's never been run (purchased by someone else in '97, so
before Mykel's time). Similar response on the motor mounts, that there's a
lot more vibration in airplanes than in cars, so that'll happen. No comment
on changing the design, he's just being very careful welding them now.
do not archive
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
bill@flyinmiata.com
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
http://flyinmiata.com
http://flyinprotege.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Walker [mailto:dwalk3dw@msn.com]
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Avery Tools
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <dwalk3dw@msn.com>
Bill,
That is sad to hear regarding Mykel's assessment of this problem. It is
clear that failures occurred in heads that never reached the 230 degree red
line for Stratus engines. My temp plug is in perfect shape on the original
head. And the replacement he sent me failed also, though it was flown more
gently than the first. Both had knurled guides. Of course, his modification
of the guides by changing to the bronze alloy and putting retaining rings on
them seems to be acknowledgment of a problem, doesn't it?
He seems like a nice guy, but has denied this in a seemingly naieve way
from the beginning. Don Walker do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Cardell
To: 'zenith-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Avery Tools
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
Scott,
Thanks! We certainly shouldn't mind, that's exactly the type of info that
should be disseminated, IMHO. On another note, had a conversation with
Mykael at Stratus last night. He seems to believe that any valve guide
issues were caused by overheated engines. Any input?
do not archive
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
bill@flyinmiata.com
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
http://flyinmiata.com
http://flyinprotege.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Laughlin [mailto:cookwithgas@hotmail.com]
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Avery Tools
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Fellow Zenith Builders:
I am relatively new to airplane building - I started in Jan. -03 - and I
have met some nice people along the way. A few days ago I called Avery
Tools for the first time. I had decided to purchase a tool, but before
they
would let me place the order, they asked what I wanted it for. I
explained
and Mr. Bob Avery talked me out of it. He actually saved me over $100
because he said what I wanted was overkill and he explained a cheaper
alternative even though it meant my purchasing from somebody else.
I wanted to share this with everyone because it was a very nice thing to
do
and in doing so, Bob lost a sale. The truth is he gained more sales
because
I'll go to Avery Tools first from now on. I actually placed my first
order
with them yesterday.
The list seemed a little slow today, so I hope nobody minds me putting in
a
good word for Avery Tools due to a good experience with them.
Have a good day,
Scott Laughlin
601XL / Corvair
www.cooknwithgas.com
P.S. You can download their catalog in *.PDF files for off-line viewing /
dreaming.
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| Subject: | Re: Position of Venturi |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Paul,
I have an 8 in. venturi on mine, mounted on the stbd side, level with the
instrument panel about 5 inches above the wing. Works well.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 - 450 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Position of Venturi |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
Any problem with mounting the venturi upside-down on the belly, in the
center of the plane? (for instance, just forward of the center wing spar
on the underside of the cabin floor)?
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
Larry,
I'm sure there are. Just figure it's good insurance since the engine hasn't
been installed yet. Being an engine guy myself, it amazes me that a
manufacturer would install guides without shoulders in the first place. Of
course I haven't even picked up my half built kit yet, nor seen the engine
in the flesh.
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
bill@flyinmiata.com
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
http://flyinmiata.com
http://flyinprotege.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry McFarland [mailto:larrymc@qconline.com]
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Avery Tools
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Avery Tools
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
>
> Scott,
> Thanks! We certainly shouldn't mind, that's exactly the type of info that
> should be disseminated, IMHO. On another note, had a conversation with
> Mykael at Stratus last night. He seems to believe that any valve guide
> issues were caused by overheated engines. Any input?
Bill,
I think Mykal's right. There are a lot of Subarus by Stratus rolling up a
lot of
good flying hours. The problems you reference seem to be caused by the
cooling arrangement used on the Zenith 601. The exhaust muffler is right in
front of
incoming air, the nose gear and the radiator risers attaching to hoses all
contribute
to an obstructive and corrupted sort of airflow. Even so, a good number of
601s with Stratus Soobs seem to get along fine when the temps are
kept down. I'd be hard pressed to blame the Stratus, but the installation
and location of the radiator per Zenith.
Larry C. McFarland - 601(Stratus) @ www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | 801 project has to go away |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: IngrJ181@aol.com
Hello everybody
I have come to the point where I have to sell my 801 project. It is a
complete kit with the extra tanks. Tail feathers complete, right wing complete
but
not closed and no fuel system committed to yet, slats and flaperons complete,
rear fuse is 90% ( just rear seats and baggage to go ). That leaves left wing,
fuel system, forward fuse, gear, and final assembly to go for a complete
airframe ready for engine and instuments.
The steel parts, struts etc.. have been powdercoated white and all parts have
been well taken care of and in storage,
I have been told by other builders and restorers that my work is very good
and I feel comfortable that I have made no critical mistakes.
I will make some one a very good deal on this.
Builders log and construction photos have been kept up.
If you'r serial about buying an 801 then contact me soon, please,
Jim Ingram
P.O. Box 916
Carlton Oregon 97111
503-852-7869 keep trying eves best or 6am-6:30am PST
ingrj181@aol.com
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