---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/15/03: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:24 AM - Re: Aileron Bellcrank (Grant Corriveau) 2. 09:09 AM - Stratus valve guides (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 3. 09:56 AM - Zodiac 601UL/AULA For Sale (Terry Ladouceur) 4. 11:13 AM - Color Moving Map for less than $500 plus Software (charles.long@gm.com) 5. 12:22 PM - Re: Aileron Bellcrank (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com) 6. 12:40 PM - New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics... (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) 7. 01:01 PM - Re: Aileron Bellcrank (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)) 8. 01:31 PM - Re: New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics... (tongaloa) 9. 02:08 PM - FW: Rotax 912 Oil Pump Operation () 10. 02:14 PM - Re: Zodiac 601UL/AULA For Sale (Larry H Sirmans) 11. 02:48 PM - Re: FW: Rotax 912 Oil Pump Operation (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) 12. 03:21 PM - Re: FW: Rotax 912 Oil Pump Operation (Dave Austin) 13. 05:26 PM - 701 Root Rib... (Martin & Eva Bima) 14. 05:59 PM - Removing zinc chromate? (Lumkes, John Jr.) 15. 06:51 PM - Re: Removing zinc chromate? (RoyN9869L@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron Bellcrank From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau I found that mine had adequate movement without the cutouts. I think they would only be necessary if your hinge point ended up too close to the rib. Similarly on the rudder hinge --- my hinge point ended up very close to the aircraft, so I had to "scallop" my rudder control horn a little more to get the full movement. (I suggest that when you drill for the rudder hinge attach brackets, use the NORMAL TOLERANCES to place the the rudder further out from the fuselage -- in other words I'm not advocating changing the design in any way, just biasing the accepted tolerances in that direction to ensure full rudder travel easily.) -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:53:19 EDT > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Aileron Bellcrank > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > Hi List, > > It's been a while since I posted. I took the summer off from building. Just > too darn hot in the hanger 110+ all through July and August. Hottest summer > on record in Phoenix....I must be getting old, cuz I just couldn't hack it > this year. > > Anyway.....Can anyone tell me if the little half moon cut outs on the aileron > bell cranks are really needed? I did something kind of dumb today. I safety > wired the turnbuckles on the aileron control cables, looked down at my > bellcranks and, DOH! I forgot to cut out the 1/2 moons that allow for > additional > movement on the ailerons. > > Any opinions would be appreicated. > > Thanks, > > Steve (90% done, still) Freeman > > PS Do the Arizona Cardinals suck or what? > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:15 AM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: Zenith-List: Stratus valve guides --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" And there are a lot of valve guide issues with motors that have been kept well within temps. The failure rate is way too high for an aircraft motor and knurled guides are unacceptable. It's a LOT more than 3 failures! My not so humble opinion is also partly based on the question of how many guides have fell out of poorly maintained auto engines that have been overheated horribly...answer...none that anyone knows about. Overheated or not, guides should never fall out and they have been doing so on this motor with remarkable regularity. Once again, take your heads off and send them to Ron at ram engines who will make a properly sized guide and put a step on the outside...No more problems, it's the best $500 I ever spent...I might live to old age now... Frank...3 failures!! -----Original Message----- From: Bill Cardell [mailto:bill@flyinmiata.com] Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Avery Tools --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell Well, it didn't make me feel warm and fuzzy that only "maybe 3" had failed. Three out of whatever limited number is perhaps acceptable in an automobile, but where gravity plays a larger role, it's scary. I'll be pulling mine apart, even though it's never been run (purchased by someone else in '97, so before Mykel's time). Similar response on the motor mounts, that there's a lot more vibration in airplanes than in cars, so that'll happen. No comment on changing the design, he's just being very careful welding them now. do not archive Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad) bill@flyinmiata.com Flyin' Miata 1-800-359-6957 (sales only) 970-242-3800 (tech support) http://flyinmiata.com http://flyinprotege.com -----Original Message----- From: Don Walker [mailto:dwalk3dw@msn.com] Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Avery Tools --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" Bill, That is sad to hear regarding Mykel's assessment of this problem. It is clear that failures occurred in heads that never reached the 230 degree red line for Stratus engines. My temp plug is in perfect shape on the original head. And the replacement he sent me failed also, though it was flown more gently than the first. Both had knurled guides. Of course, his modification of the guides by changing to the bronze alloy and putting retaining rings on them seems to be acknowledgment of a problem, doesn't it? He seems like a nice guy, but has denied this in a seemingly naieve way from the beginning. Don Walker do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Cardell To: 'zenith-list@matronics.com' Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:48 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Avery Tools --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell Scott, Thanks! We certainly shouldn't mind, that's exactly the type of info that should be disseminated, IMHO. On another note, had a conversation with Mykael at Stratus last night. He seems to believe that any valve guide issues were caused by overheated engines. Any input? do not archive Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad) bill@flyinmiata.com Flyin' Miata 1-800-359-6957 (sales only) 970-242-3800 (tech support) http://flyinmiata.com http://flyinprotege.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Laughlin [mailto:cookwithgas@hotmail.com] To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Avery Tools --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Fellow Zenith Builders: I am relatively new to airplane building - I started in Jan. -03 - and I have met some nice people along the way. A few days ago I called Avery Tools for the first time. I had decided to purchase a tool, but before they would let me place the order, they asked what I wanted it for. I explained and Mr. Bob Avery talked me out of it. He actually saved me over $100 because he said what I wanted was overkill and he explained a cheaper alternative even though it meant my purchasing from somebody else. I wanted to share this with everyone because it was a very nice thing to do and in doing so, Bob lost a sale. The truth is he gained more sales because I'll go to Avery Tools first from now on. I actually placed my first order with them yesterday. The list seemed a little slow today, so I hope nobody minds me putting in a good word for Avery Tools due to a good experience with them. Have a good day, Scott Laughlin 601XL / Corvair www.cooknwithgas.com P.S. You can download their catalog in *.PDF files for off-line viewing / dreaming. advertising on the Matronics Forums. Share: Share photos & files with other List members. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:44 AM PST US From: "Terry Ladouceur" Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601UL/AULA For Sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Terry Ladouceur" I have for sale a 1994 Zodiac 601UL registered as Advanced Ultralight in Canada. A low time and great performing plane. Always hangered, no damage. Total Time Engine and Airframe currently 85 hours (still flying so will increase); Rotax 912 with a 66 Inflight Adjustable IVO Prop; ASI, ALT, Fuel Pressure, DC Elec Turn and Slip Co-ordinator, Volt Meter, Fuel Gauge, Rotax FlyDat Engine Computer that contains Engine Time, RPM, EGT (Dual) CHT, Oil Temp and Oil Pressure; Two Place intercom; Handheld ICOM Radio with external antennae; Panel Lights; Wing Tip Strobe Lights; Electric Elevator and Aileron Trim. I have had the airplane since May 2003. At that time it had 49.3 hours on it. It had been placed in a garage since December 1994 as the original owner had become ill and was not able to fly. The plane stayed in the garage until I purchased it from the estate. I had to put the plane back together (wings and rudder), rebuilt the carburetors, replaced the prop, replaced all bungee s for both mains and the nose gear, replaced and upgraded all the control cables to 1/8th aircraft cable, new battery and new plugs. The oil and radiator fluids were all replaced as well. The exterior paint is scratched and needs touch up due to being stored for so long. With the Inflight Adjustable prop Climb at 70 MPH, 5200 to 5300 RPM VSI of between 1000 FPM and 1400 FPM. Cruise is 120 MPH at 4900 to 5000 RPM. Fuel Consumption is around 3 to 3.5 GPH. I am a reluctant seller but sometimes things cannot be helped. I am asking $35,000.00 CDN for the plane. Will consider a trade for a Class A motor home in good condition. Plane can be viewed at Barrie/Springwater Airport (CNA3). Demo flights can be arranged. I can be contacted at 1-705-527-1717 anytime. Terry Ladouceur, MCT, MCSE, MCSD, MCDBA, CNA, A+ Can-Thai Software Solutions Incorporated 605 Manly Street Midland, Ontario Canada L4R 3G4 1-705-527-1717 www.canthaisoftware.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:37 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Color Moving Map for less than $500 plus Software From: charles.long@gm.com 09/15/2003 02:12:12 PM --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com For those of you interested in low cost, Moving Map navigation, I've added some pictures of my installation to the Matronics Photo Share. The system uses a Compaq Color PDA, Deluo GPS engine and cables, at a cost of under $500. Software is from PocketFMS, a lead provided through this list. Have included p/n's with sources and adresses. Would be interested in feedback from anyone getting this kind of installation up and flying. I won't be in the air until next spring. Chuck Long ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:16 PM PST US From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron Bellcrank --> Zenith-List message posted by: In a message dated 9/15/2003 6:25:17 AM US Mountain Standard Time, grantc@ca.inter.net writes: > I found that mine had adequate movement without the cutouts. I think they > would only be necessary if your hinge point ended up too close to the rib. Hi, Thanks, this is encouraging to hear! I didn't want to have to take those cables out after getting them so nicely tensioned. So you think at least for initial flight tests this should be OK as long as I get adequate deflection per the instruction manual? As an aside....With that particular part, how could you get the hinge point too close to the outside center wing rib? These measurements are pretty straightforward, so unless it is just a screw (like forgetting the cutouts in the first place) I don;t see how that hinge point could be off. Steve F ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:44 PM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Subject: Zenith-List: New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics... --> Zenith-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Dear Listers, I will be installing a new SPAM and virus blocking appliance this evening or tomorrow. The installation will involve some changes in the Matronics DNS MX records, and will impact how incoming email is handled. While I expect these changes to be transparent to all of the List subscribers, things might go differently... ;-) The Lists get bombarded with tons of SPAM messages and viruses each day and fortunately my custom filters have been extremely effective at filtering most of this from redistribution. Its time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent solution. I will post a follow up message later in the week when things have stabilized and I have some filter statistics to share. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:34 PM PST US From: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aileron Bellcrank --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" I seem to remember there is a little tolerance to the max deflection (I wanted the max, although the only time I ever needed it was during a full roll!). If you go for the min you might not need the cutouts. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron Bellcrank --> Zenith-List message posted by: In a message dated 9/15/2003 6:25:17 AM US Mountain Standard Time, grantc@ca.inter.net writes: > I found that mine had adequate movement without the cutouts. I think > they would only be necessary if your hinge point ended up too close to > the rib. Hi, Thanks, this is encouraging to hear! I didn't want to have to take those cables out after getting them so nicely tensioned. So you think at least for initial flight tests this should be OK as long as I get adequate deflection per the instruction manual? As an aside....With that particular part, how could you get the hinge point too close to the outside center wing rib? These measurements are pretty straightforward, so unless it is just a screw (like forgetting the cutouts in the first place) I don;t see how that hinge point could be off. Steve F advertising on the Matronics Forums. Share: Share photos & files with other List members. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:43 PM PST US From: tongaloa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics... --> Zenith-List message posted by: tongaloa Matt- I'm getting set to do a BIND upgrade and curious as to what you are doing... Too much spam here and they've figured out how to hose bogofilter... -Bob Matt Dralle wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) > > >Dear Listers, > >I will be installing a new SPAM and virus blocking appliance this >evening or tomorrow. The installation will involve some changes >in the Matronics DNS MX records, and will impact how incoming >email is handled. While I expect these changes to be transparent >to all of the List subscribers, things might go differently... ;-) > >The Lists get bombarded with tons of SPAM messages and viruses >each day and fortunately my custom filters have been extremely >effective at filtering most of this from redistribution. Its >time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this >SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent >solution. > >I will post a follow up message later in the week when things >have stabilized and I have some filter statistics to share. > >Best regards, > >Matt Dralle >Matronics Email List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: FW: Rotax 912 Oil Pump Operation From: --> Zenith-List message posted by: > -----Original Message----- > From: Pinneo, George > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 2:04 PM > To: 'zenith_list@matronics.com' > Subject: Rotax 912 Oil Pump Operation > > After about 320 hours operation, the ends of the drive-pin in the on-engine oil pump had eroded to the point it slipped. The Flydat blackbox reported this as a low-pressure condition. I was in the downwind leg of the airport and dove, gliding, to an emergency landing. I have since replaced the drive-pin; I have 3 uneventful hours on the new $2.60 drive-pin: 5 mm diam.x 26 mm long. We Rotax drivers ought to check the ends of the drive-pin, oh, say every hundred hours. > > I will try to get Lockwood's techs to tell me how long this drive-pin is supposed to last. > > GGP ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:35 PM PST US From: "Larry H Sirmans" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601UL/AULA For Sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry H Sirmans" can you forward a pic or two? regards, Larry Sirmans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Ladouceur" Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601UL/AULA For Sale > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Terry Ladouceur" > > I have for sale a 1994 Zodiac 601UL registered as Advanced Ultralight in > Canada. A low time and great performing plane. Always hangered, no damage. > > > Total Time Engine and Airframe currently 85 hours (still flying so will > increase); Rotax 912 with a 66 Inflight Adjustable IVO Prop; ASI, ALT, Fuel > Pressure, DC Elec Turn and Slip Co-ordinator, Volt Meter, Fuel Gauge, Rotax > FlyDat Engine Computer that contains Engine Time, RPM, EGT (Dual) CHT, Oil > Temp and Oil Pressure; Two Place intercom; Handheld ICOM Radio with external > antennae; Panel Lights; Wing Tip Strobe Lights; Electric Elevator and > Aileron Trim. > > > I have had the airplane since May 2003. At that time it had 49.3 hours on > it. It had been placed in a garage since December 1994 as the original owner > had become ill and was not able to fly. The plane stayed in the garage until > I purchased it from the estate. I had to put the plane back together (wings > and rudder), rebuilt the carburetors, replaced the prop, replaced all bungee > s for both mains and the nose gear, replaced and upgraded all the control > cables to 1/8th aircraft cable, new battery and new plugs. The oil and > radiator fluids were all replaced as well. > > > The exterior paint is scratched and needs touch up due to being stored for > so long. With the Inflight Adjustable prop Climb at 70 MPH, 5200 to 5300 RPM > VSI of between 1000 FPM and 1400 FPM. Cruise is 120 MPH at 4900 to 5000 RPM. > Fuel Consumption is around 3 to 3.5 GPH. > > > I am a reluctant seller but sometimes things cannot be helped. I am asking > $35,000.00 CDN for the plane. Will consider a trade for a Class A motor home > in good condition. Plane can be viewed at Barrie/Springwater Airport (CNA3). > Demo flights can be arranged. > > > I can be contacted at 1-705-527-1717 anytime. > > Terry Ladouceur, MCT, MCSE, MCSD, MCDBA, CNA, A+ > Can-Thai Software Solutions Incorporated > 605 Manly Street > Midland, Ontario > Canada L4R 3G4 > 1-705-527-1717 > www.canthaisoftware.com > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:34 PM PST US From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FW: Rotax 912 Oil Pump Operation --> Zenith-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com In a message dated 9/15/03 5:09:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, george.pinneo@ngc.com writes: > After about 320 hours operation, the ends of the drive-pin in the on-engine > oil pump had eroded to the point it slipped. The Flydat blackbox reported > this as a low-pressure condition. I was in the downwind leg of the airport > and dove, gliding, to an emergency landing. I have since replaced the > drive-pin; I have 3 uneventful hours on the new $2.60 drive-pin: 5 mm diam.x 26 mm > long. We Rotax drivers ought to check the ends of the drive-pin, oh, say every > I could be all wet but there is a SB for the oil pump. It would be nice to know if the SB was done and what the serial number was of the affected engine. Sal Capra Lakeland, FL My Home Page http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:28 PM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FW: Rotax 912 Oil Pump Operation --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" George, There was a technical bulletin on the oil pump drive pin in the early release engines. I got a new one from ROTECH. No problems since. What serial number do you have? Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:39 PM PST US From: "Martin & Eva Bima" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Root Rib... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin & Eva Bima" I have formed the root rins around the form, but unlike the full size ribs, they are curved without using the fluting pliers. Is there a way of formaing the rib without the use of flutes to straighten it? ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:41 PM PST US From: "Lumkes, John Jr." Subject: Zenith-List: Removing zinc chromate? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lumkes, John Jr." Hi, I have a strange request. I was overzealous with the application of zinc chromate on the outside of the tail skins with the thought that it would at least be under each rivet head on the outside of the skin. I realize that I can just leave it and sand/buff it when the day ever arrives to paint it, but it looks pretty bad and I would possibly test fly before painting, etc. So the question is: Is there any easy way (solvent) to wipe the zinc chromate off of the smooth outside skin surfaces without damaging anything? Not a big deal either way, but I thought I would ask. Thanks! John ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:27 PM PST US From: RoyN9869L@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Removing zinc chromate? --> Zenith-List message posted by: RoyN9869L@aol.com John, Zinc Chromate will come off with MEK, or Acetone Cheers Roy CH-701 w/912S