---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/22/03: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:57 AM - Air freight to Australia (Norman Turner) 2. 04:28 AM - 912s oil primimg () 3. 05:18 AM - Fw: Air Control Conversations - Humor (Stuart Riley) 4. 06:12 AM - Off Topic - National Air Tour (Garrou, Douglas) 5. 06:55 AM - 701 Fuel Tank installation (H. Robert Schoenberger) 6. 07:12 AM - engine option for 610 XL (David Barth) 7. 09:45 AM - Custom Canopy (caspainhower@aep.com) 8. 11:10 AM - Re: Fw: Air Control Conversations - Humor (Kevin W Bonds) 9. 02:39 PM - Re: Gear build sequence (Alex MacKay) 10. 02:56 PM - Re: Custom Canopy (Larry McFarland) 11. 03:42 PM - Re: 912 needing rebuilt (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) 12. 03:44 PM - tanks (Beckman, Rick) 13. 08:55 PM - Re: Gear build sequence (Jeff Small) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:31 AM PST US From: Norman Turner Subject: Zenith-List: Air freight to Australia --> Zenith-List message posted by: Norman Turner Hi to all on the list, Just thought that you all should know what has happened to me ,when getting freight from the USA to Australia , as this is what we need as builders and modifiers of ZAC aircraft. I used BAX Global to ship my leading edge tanks to Darwin N.T. and they ended up in Perth W.A. and to cut a long story short I contacted My niece who works for WORLDLINK INTERNATIONAL in Perth to sort it out for me ( the price difference has to be seen to be beloved ). You can ALL call Christine Natale on Australia ( 0894790300 ) BH for the best price you can get for freight anywhere in Australia. Cheers Norm Turner. 601 HDS ROTAX 912 235HRS. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:37 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: 912s oil primimg --> Zenith-List message posted by: I am planning to run my 912s for the first time tomorrow. I am concerned about possible air in the oil lines. Should I feel confident if I get good oil pressure (30 psi) on the starter with the upper plugs removed and the mags off per the manual? Dave, Just came back from a Rotax maintenance seminar and the ame said to remove rocker covers and manually check the rocker arm backpressure on the compression stroke. If the rocker arm gives then you have air in the lines. The new 912 is very susceptible to oil/air problems, and it is critical you do this operation prior to first startup. John Birgiolas ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:24 AM PST US From: "Stuart Riley" Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Air Control Conversations - Humor --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stuart Riley" Since things were somewhat quiet, I thought some of you might this amusing. Do not archive. Stu Riley (601XL scratch) > > > > > Subject: Air Control Conversations - Humor > > > > > > Here are some conversations that airline passengers normally will > > > never hear. The following are accounts of actual exchanges > > > between airline pilots and control towers from around the world: > > > > > > > > > > > > While taxiing at London Gatwick, the crew of a US Air flight > > > departing for Ft. Lauderdale made a wrong turn and came nose to > > > nose with a United 727. > > > > > > An irate female ground controller lashed out at the US Air crew, > > > screaming: > > > "US Air 2771, where the hell are you going?! I told you to turn > > > right onto Charlie taxiway! You turned right on Delta! Stop right > > > there. I know it's difficult for you to tell the difference > > > between C' and D', but get it right!" > > > > > > Continuing her rage to the embarrassed crew, she was now shouting > > > hysterically: "God! Now you've screwed everything up! It'll take > > > forever to sort this out! You stay right there and don't move > > > till I tell you to! You can expect progressive taxi instructions > > > in about half an hour and I want you to go exactly where I tell > > > you, when I tell you, and how I tell you! You got that, US Air > > > 2771?" > > > > > > "Yes ma'am," the humbled crew responded. > > > > > > Naturally, the ground control communications frequency fell > > > terribly silent after the verbal bashing of US Air 2771. Nobody > > > wanted to chance engaging the irate ground controller in her > > > current state of mind. Tension in every cockpit out in Gatwick > > > was definitely running high. > > > > > > Just then an unknown pilot broke the silence and keyed his > > > microphone, asking: > > > > > > "Wasn't I married to you once?" > > > > > > > > > > > > A DC-10 had come in a little hot and thus had an exceedingly long > > > roll out after touching down. > > > > > > San Jose Tower Noted: "American 751, make a hard right turn at > > > the end of the runway, if you are able... If not able, take the > > > Guadalupe exit off Highway 101, make a right at the lights and > > > return to the airport." > > > > > > > > > > > > Unknown aircraft waiting in a very long takeoff queue: "I'm > > > f...ing bored!" > > > > > > Ground Traffic Control: "Last aircraft transmitting, identify > > > yourself immediately!" > > > > > > Unknown aircraft: "I said I was f...ing bored, not f...ing > > > stupid!" > > > > > > > > > > > > Tower: "Eastern 702, cleared for takeoff, contact Departure on > > > frequency 124.7" > > > > > > Eastern 702: "Tower, Eastern 702 switching to Departure. By the > > > way, after we lifted off we saw some kind of dead animal on the > > > far end of the runway." > > > > > > Tower: "Continental 635, cleared for takeoff behind Eastern 702, > > > contact Departure on frequency 124.7. Did you copy that report > > > from Eastern 702?" > > > > > > Continental 635: "Continental 635, cleared for takeoff, roger; > > > and yes, we copied Eastern... we've already notified our > > > caterers" > > > > > > > > > > > > The German air controllers at Frankfurt Airport are renowned as a > > > short-tempered lot. They not only expect one to know one's gate > > > parking location, but how to get there without any assistance > > > from them. So it was with some amusement that we (a Pan Am 747) > > > listened to the following exchange between Frankfurt ground > > > control and a British Airways 747, call sign "Speedbird 206": > > > > > > Speedbird 206: "Frankfurt, Speedbird 206 clear of active runway." > > > > > > Ground: "Speedbird 206. Taxi to gate Alpha One-Seven." > > > > > > The BA 747 pulled onto the main taxiway and slowed to a stop. > > > > > > Ground: "Speedbird, do you not know vhere you are going?" > > > > > > Speedbird 206: "Stand by, Ground, I'm looking up our gate > > > location now." > > > > > > Ground (with quite arrogant impatience): "Speedbird 206, have you > > > not been to Frankfurt before?" > > > > > > Speedbird 206 (coolly): "Yes, twice in 1944 but I didn't stop." > > > > > > > > > > > > O'Hare Approach Control to a 747: "United 329 heavy, your traffic > > > is a Fokker, one o'clock, three miles, eastbound." > > > > > > United 239: "Approach, I've always wanted to say this... I've got > > > the little Fokker in sight." > > > > > > > > > > > > A Pan Am 727 flight waiting for start clearance in Munich > > > overheard the following: > > > > > > Lufthansa (in German): "Ground, what is our start clearance time?" > > > > > > Ground (in English): "If you want an answer you must speak in > > > English." > > > > > > Lufthansa (in English): "I am a German, flying a German airplane, > > > in Germany. Why must I speak English?" > > > > > > Unknown voice from another plane (in a beautiful British accent): > > > "Because you lost the bloody war!" > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:43 AM PST US From: "Garrou, Douglas" Subject: Zenith-List: Off Topic - National Air Tour Couldn't resist the off-topic post. Just wanted to let you know that if the National Air Tour is coming through your town (www.nationalairtour.org) it is well worth a visit! Some of the aircraft are just incredible. For example, there's a Ryan mail plane that's probably the closest thing to the Spirit that we'll ever see flying. Well worth a visit. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" Cheers Doug Project 801 www.garrou.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:50 AM PST US From: "H. Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Fuel Tank installation --> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" List . . . thank you for the replies on the slightly sluggish float operation on the 701 fuel tank sender. A squirt of WD40 as suggested cured the problem. I intend to get one of those mirrors on the end of a stick and insert it through the filler opening to check out how close to the bottom of the tank the ping pong ball is when the sender is actually installed. I won't mind if it is slightly above as that will give a small amount of reserve. Like Gary wrote, I also couldn't get the float to operate the full range of the gage so I made it go from empty to about 7/8ths full. The empty is the operative setting in my opinion. Now I'm ready to put the fuel tank into the wing, and I must be missing something. First of all, I installed the side "U" channels on ribs 1 and 2 which hold the tank in place facing rearward as shown in the plans. After drilling and clecoing, I noticed the photo manual says to install them facing forward. I can't see what difference this makes, but maybe someone can enlighten me if it does. My bigger problem is getting the tanks to go into position. The plans show two side "U" channels each on ribs 1 and 2 that laterally hold the tank in place. There is a welded ridge which extends horizontally out about 1/4" along the top and bottom edges of the side of the fuel tank. I assume the vertical "U" channels are to fit between these ridges and are to be flush against the flat side of the tank. The front channel, about 200 mm to the rear of the spar, is shown on the plans to be 160mm in length. The space between the ridges at this point is only 163mm. This would seem to be a precision fit, and yet the plans do not show any height measurements to which these channels are to be set. The rear side channel is 100 mm in length, and the space between the top and bottom tank ridges at this point is 120mm so this should work well. Any help you can give me on this installation will be greatly appreciated. One final question - is the fuel drain fitting installed before the tank is installed and the fuel outlet line after? Any problem with getting in there to tighten (my bottom skin is riveted)? I hope everyone has a quality day. Thank you again. Hap Schoenberger 701 tail completed, wing 75% there ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:37 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Zenith-List: engine option for 610 XL --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Hi List. I was at an alternative engine seminar on Saturday and saw a beautiful engine some of you may be interested in. Designed from scratch as an aircraft engine it is air cooled but has electronic ignition and fuel injection. The 125 HP XS200 is from Canpower. They will be going into production this fall. You can visit their website at: http://www.canpoweraviation.com/ They also mentioned something about making cylinders for VW engines that would enable power increases from those engines. I wasn't too clear on that so you will have to ask them if you are interested. I know this engine is new but they will have some time under their belts by the time I have to make an engine decision. Cost is comparable to Rotax or Jabiru. FWIW David ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder Still making parts. Nose Ribs Done and about half the rear ribs for the wings. Stab and elevator waiting for skins. Flaps, ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection. __________________________________ http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:16 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Custom Canopy From: caspainhower@aep.com 09/22/2003 12:44:29 PM --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com List, I recently received a custom 601 canopy from Todd's Canopies (http://www.kgarden.com/todd/). Anyone who is scratch building or taller than average may be interested in checking out his site. He also makes a stock canopy, but the custom one is about a foot longer to blend into the canopy and will have an inch or two more headroom. When I get the canopy installed he will have the pictures posted at his website (the stock one is posted now), hopefully in a few months. Craig S. 601 XL tail done, wings 3/4 done. This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:01 AM PST US From: "Kevin W Bonds" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fw: Air Control Conversations - Humor --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" Stu Thanks for the "Air Control Conversations - Humor" Kevin still dreaming of 601XL/Jab ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:38 PM PST US From: Alex MacKay Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gear build sequence --> Zenith-List message posted by: Alex MacKay > > At what point have the rest of you drilled and fitted the wheel forks > to the gear legs on the 601HD/HDS? I've moved my center section off my > > David Tellet, 601HD, ~50% done > I am drilling my wheel forks to the gear legs now with the centre wing section resting on the trailing edge and against a wall. This made it quite easy to align the wheel forks, using a long straight board. So, my answer to your question is that you can drill the holes anytime after the centre wing is finished. The forks and gear legs don't need to be bolted together until later. Alex MacKay 601HDS ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:39 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Custom Canopy --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" > I recently received a custom 601 canopy from Todd's Canopies > (http://www.kgarden.com/todd/). Anyone who is scratch building or taller > than average may be interested in checking out his site. He also makes a > stock canopy, but the custom one is about a foot longer to blend into the > canopy and will have an inch or two more headroom. Todd, If you do have to put a longer canopy on your 601, be sure to take into account the length and the engagement with the cowl on the front end when you lift the canopy and the reduced angle it may have to be for passengers embarking. Just a thought........... Larry McFarland - 601hds ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:03 PM PST US From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912 needing rebuilt --> Zenith-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com In a message dated 9/19/03 6:02:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, masterbogun@yahoo.com writes: > Looking for a 912 that I can rebuild. My 701 is all but done now I don't > have enough money for a new motor > Call Lockwood in Sebring FL. They have some Runout certified Rotax 912 engines from time to time they sell. Lockwood Aviation Supply Sal Capra Lakeland, FL My Home Page http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:00 PM PST US From: "Beckman, Rick" Subject: Zenith-List: tanks I need some info. I need to know where I can buy aluminum fittings that weld to the fuel tanks. These are the fittings that the brass fittings screw into. Thanks, Rick, 601 XL Gumbo Mudworks 750 MSL and sinking --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:02 PM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gear build sequence Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:45:54 -0400 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" >>At what point have the rest of you drilled and fitted the wheel forks >>to the gear legs on the 601HD/HDS? >I didn't put a drill to the forks until the fuselage was nearly ready for >the engine. As I read your post it seems you have a completed center section but no forward or rear fuse. No reason you couldn't flip the center section over and proceed with attaching the forks. Easier to work on from above than from the floor, however, can you drill "up" with ease? Use the nose skin overlap line to mark in some lines for alignment of one fork and then mount the other fork with just one bolt so you can do some alignment of the two ( see archives if you think you want 'em straight or with toe-in). >Being able to wire behind the panel and place the header tank, pedals etc is >just a lot better with it nearer the floor. Sure is, good reminder. Keep the firewall off while doing this stuff too - as much as possible. With just the forks on (no wheels/tires) you'll be about 7 inches lower than with wheels mounted. >The important part of drilling the forks is just inking thru the gear plates >after you've found fork alignment. Larry has machining expertise that escapes me, so I'm unsure of "inking." I drilled the holes for the axles thru in both forks, mounted one fork carefully using the Mk I Eyeball, mounted the other fork with one bolt drawn up snuggly, inserted an arrow shaft thru the secure fork and rotated the other until sighting thru the arrow shaft you could see both holes in the other fork. A laser pointer thru the shaft or piece of tubing and onto/into the other fork would work too. There are lots of good ideas in the archives. tailwinds jeff