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1. 06:26 AM - Question about the Savannah and the 701?? (Jo and Larry)
2. 08:23 AM - Re: 601XL (lnk@cis.net)
3. 08:34 AM - Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? (Ed Kramer)
4. 10:35 AM - Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? (Dirk Slabbert)
5. 11:09 AM - Re: 601XL (Larry McFarland)
6. 11:48 AM - Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? (Monty Graves)
7. 04:28 PM - Mounting engine ()
8. 05:15 PM - Re: Mounting engine (Gary Gower)
9. 07:39 PM - Re: Mounting engine (Larry McFarland)
10. 08:37 PM - Re: Mounting engine (Benford2@aol.com)
11. 09:33 PM - New address (RoyN9869L@aol.com)
12. 09:36 PM - New Address (RoyN9869L@aol.com)
13. 10:13 PM - Question (gpjann@juno.com)
14. 10:13 PM - 701 wingtips (Elwood140@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Question about the Savannah and the 701?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
Hello Group,
I am waiting on SP building time in a single seat ultralight. My (so far )
first choice is the 701. I ran across this web page http://sky-rider.net/
from an ad in a ultralight magazine. This plane seems to be similar to a 701
with a few more option, RTF, almost RFT and a little cheaper. Has anyone in
the list who is flying or building the 701 looked at the Savannah? What made
you go with the 701 over it?
Thank you for the 'flame free' and informative group. I keep all the old
digests and I am sure they will come in handy one day.
Larry
Science and Religion are not at odds.
Science is simply to young to understand.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lnk@cis.net" <lnk@cis.net>
Thanks for all the replies. Some of them build my confidence while some
flush the stars from my eyes. Just what I need before I go visit the candy
store.
I wanted to take the opportunity to respond to Larry McFarland as we are,
by internet standards, next door neighbors. My name is also Larry and I
live just up river in Bellevue, IA and work in Savanna, IL. When I first
saw your name in this list I thought I recognized it and when I followed
your link I realized the proximity. I'm not sure yet why your name seemed
so familiar, whether we both belonged to the QC Computer Society (along
with Cy Galley) or perhaps I saw your name associated with the EAA. At any
rate, I was very pleased to know there is a scratch built 601 so close to
me. I was also very interested in your plans for the sheet metal brake.
The only reason I haven't ordered them yet is that I wanted to do the
workshop so I would have a better feel for how much, if any, of the project
I wanted to do from plans. My reasoning was that it would save me money
and the fuselage didn't look that difficult. But your point about forms
and fixtures is duly noted.
I was wondering if I might trouble you to get a "tour" of your project and
facilities some time this fall or winter? The pictures on your web site
are great but being in the presence of the tools and workshop bring a
perspective and clarity that just are not possible with pictures.
Original Message:
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From: Larry McFarland larrymc@qconline.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
> Also, anyone do a mixture of scratch build and kit build? What portions
of
> the kit sub-groups would most lend themselves to scratch building with
> limited "quality tooling"?
Dirks questions as applies to the 601 are much the same, but the drawings
may be
farther along in quality than the 701. Mix and match the scratch build
process to
suit yourself. The tool requirements are simple for the most part. Kit
builders do end up making scratch repeats of more than a few kit parts gone
bad. I purchased the wheels, canopy, rivets and hand riveter from Zenith to
obtain the dies for pulling rivets, but to everything else less instruments,
and hardware, but I preferred scratch. Kits go faster and I don't think
that there are any great financial rewards in scratch because of the huge
investment in making forms and odd tooling. None of it has to be
terrifically expensive, but access to a large brake is helpful. I'd say kits
go twice as fast as scratch, but if you don't like building enough to do
scratch, even the kit will test the best of your original intent more than
once. There are a lot of unfinished parts and kits hanging out there.
Larry McFarland - 601hds (4 years) @ www.macsmachine.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
>
> Hello Group,
> I am waiting on SP building time in a single seat ultralight. My (so far )
> first choice is the 701. I ran across this web page http://sky-rider.net/
> from an ad in a ultralight magazine. This plane seems to be similar to a
701
> with a few more option, RTF, almost RFT and a little cheaper. Has anyone
in
> the list who is flying or building the 701 looked at the Savannah? What
made
> you go with the 701 over it?
Jo & Larry,
I never considered the Savannah because Zenith has a great design,
reputation & support.
Ed Kramer
West Seneca, NY
CH 701
edair701@adelphia.net
Build Status:
Rudder completed
Left wing complete
Right wing 98%
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dslabbert@worldonline.co.za>
Larry,
The 701 was copied all over the world, I'm sure you know?
I had a look at them all, just for comparison, but when it comes to parting with
your hard earned cash, well I think one needs to look at more than just price?
Building your own airplane is a major undertaking, one needs have some peace of
mind regarding the supplier, and the quality of the kit, thats the least you
can do.
Noboby wants to wind up with a tin contraption that has a lot of shortcomings,
and may not fly all that well, I can think of far better ways to waste time and
money!
Best way I think is to look at how many kits were sold, finished by the owners,
how many are flying? will give you a good indication of how successfull the kit
really are.
You need to deal with a reputable supplier too, who has parts on hand, no use waiting
ages for some little piece, before you can proceed?
Quite handy to ask other builders too, keeps you from making the same mistakes,
cheaper is seldom better.
That's why I love this list, cause I can ask other peoples opinion, then make an
informed decicion, regarding something that may take some 1000 hrs out of my
life!
'Havent seen a Savanah list yet?, or am I missing it?
Nope, dont think price is all that matters, I'll take a hard look at quality an
parts availability yes.
Even if it means carting wheelbarrow loads of stupid notes, to convert to US$
he hee hee
My 2 (Africa) cents worth ..........
Dirk.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jo and Larry
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:24 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Question about the Savannah and the 701??
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
Hello Group,
I am waiting on SP building time in a single seat ultralight. My (so far )
first choice is the 701. I ran across this web page http://sky-rider.net/
from an ad in a ultralight magazine. This plane seems to be similar to a 701
with a few more option, RTF, almost RFT and a little cheaper. Has anyone in
the list who is flying or building the 701 looked at the Savannah? What made
you go with the 701 over it?
Thank you for the 'flame free' and informative group. I keep all the old
digests and I am sure they will come in handy one day.
Larry
Science and Religion are not at odds.
Science is simply to young to understand.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lnk@cis.net" <lnk@cis.net>
> I was wondering if I might trouble you to get a "tour" of your project and
> facilities some time this fall or winter? The pictures on your web site
> are great but being in the presence of the tools and workshop bring a
> perspective and clarity that just are not possible with pictures.
>
>
I replied to your email address, but if that missed you, please feel free
to call and visit my project anytime.
Larry McFarland
East Moline
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
<dslabbert@worldonline.co.za>
>'Havent seen a Savanah list yet?, or am I missing it?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/savannahaircraft/
For more information:
http://www.savannahaircraft.com
Post message:
savannahaircraft@yahoogroups.com
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savannahaircraft-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jbirgiolas@smiletoronto.com>
My rotax 912s is sitting on the engine mount and prior to drilling attachments
I would like some feedback. The engine is sitting with a deviaton to the right
of about two degrees. This is about right according to the plans, however where
the plans state that the prop hub should be on the centerline of the aircraft,
the hub center is one inch to the right. This seems to imply that the entire
engine is sitting about one inch to the right. Should I be concerned? The
engine mount was supplied by zenair. The engine is sitting dead center on the
mount.
John Birgiolas
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hi John,
No, the main idea is to center the cowling front hole with the prop
hub, this means that the fiberglass cowling will be a little to the
right, but dont bother NOBODY will ever notice it, even you :-)
When you fit the cowling you should carefully grind off material
(fiberglass) from the place where the cowling meets the firewall until
the cowling fits and aligns with the pop hub and there is enough space
for the propeller,and inside for the water and oil radiators.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- jbirgiolas@smiletoronto.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <jbirgiolas@smiletoronto.com>
>
> My rotax 912s is sitting on the engine mount and prior to drilling
> attachments I would like some feedback. The engine is sitting with a
> deviaton to the right of about two degrees. This is about right
> according to the plans, however where the plans state that the prop
> hub should be on the centerline of the aircraft, the hub center is
> one inch to the right. This seems to imply that the entire engine is
> sitting about one inch to the right. Should I be concerned? The
> engine mount was supplied by zenair. The engine is sitting dead
> center on the mount.
> John Birgiolas
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Mounting engine
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <jbirgiolas@smiletoronto.com>
>
where the plans state that the prop hub should be on the centerline of the
aircraft, the hub center is one inch to the right. This seems to imply that
the entire engine is sitting about one inch to the right. Should I be
concerned? > John Birgiolas
John,
Had I built my engine mount per plans,
I'd have the problem you speak of. However, with some work about the
cowl, your plane's performance won't suffer. It'd have been easier if the
engine
were on center from the front end instead of the rear.
Larry C. McFarland - 601hds
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting engine |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 9/26/2003 6:16:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
ggower_99@yahoo.com writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi John,
>
> No, the main idea is to center the cowling front hole with the prop
> hub, this means that the fiberglass cowling will be a little to the
> right, but dont bother NOBODY will ever notice it, even you :-)
>
> When you fit the cowling you should carefully grind off material
> (fiberglass) from the place where the cowling meets the firewall until
> the cowling fits and aligns with the pop hub and there is enough space
> for the propeller,and inside for the water and oil radiators.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
>
>
This will probably work ,,BUT ...It should be centered and the rear of the
engine offset to the left.
Ben Haas N801BH.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: RoyN9869L@aol.com
Please use my new MSN address thank you
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: RoyN9869L@aol.com
Try again
Savannah174@msn.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
Greg Jannakos
Zodiac 601HDS
SN4211 Plans Building
Starting on FWF
Corvair Powered
I have just finished building and mounting the canopy.
I have two NACA air inlets.
Will it be necessary to provide air exits?.
Would appreciate any info or suggestions.
Thanks.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
Hi, list
I just started cutting metal for the wingtip on the right wing. Before I go
beyond the point of no return, can someone clarify whether the dimesions on
drawing 7-V-9 for wing tip trimming are meant to be the cut lines or the rivet
lines? If they are cut lines, I assume that the rivet lines should be 10 mm
inside. Maybe this is obvious to somebody, but not to me!
Regards,
Larry Wood
(N701LW reserved)
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