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1. 04:56 AM - Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat (Dave Kubassek)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat (Paul Sharpe)
3. 06:45 AM - Re: 601XL 6W9-7 Crimping the Wing Tip End Angles (Gig)
4. 08:13 AM - Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat ()
5. 08:13 AM - Re: Mounting engine ()
6. 09:30 AM - Re: 601XL 6W9-7 Crimping the Wing Tip End Angles (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
7. 02:24 PM - Looking for Rick Arnold (Matthew Mucker)
8. 04:02 PM - Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat (Frank Jones)
9. 04:05 PM - Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat (Frank Jones)
10. 04:09 PM - Photos of C-GYXQ (Frank Jones)
11. 04:21 PM - Order from Zenith on line? (Johann)
12. 04:47 PM - Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat (Al Young)
13. 05:19 PM - Re: Order from Zenith on line? (Bill Steer)
14. 05:20 PM - Re: Order from Zenith on line? (Hal Rozema)
15. 05:23 PM - Photos of C-GYXQ (Frank Jones)
16. 05:23 PM - Re: Order from Zenith on line? (Gary Gower)
17. 05:24 PM - Re: 601XL 6W9-7 Crimping the Wing Tip End Angles (Bryan Martin)
18. 05:36 PM - Re: Order from Zenith on line? (Bryan Martin)
19. 06:46 PM - 701 wing spar rivets for .125 caps... (Martin & Eva Bima)
20. 07:54 PM - reply to 912S OIL TEMP (Randy Hart)
21. 10:21 PM - Re: Order from Zenith on line? (Chuck Deiterich)
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| Subject: | Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
Congratulations Frank,way to go
Now to forget about the building and enjoy.
Fly safe, and God Bless.
dave kubassek
C-FDSF 601 XL . 0235 Lyc.
A whole whopping 15 hrs and still smiling.
Flys like a charm
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: First flight 912S Oil Heat
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
>
> Listers. I just completed the first flight of 601XL C-GYXQ today.
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| Subject: | Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Sharpe" <fly601@rogers.com>
Frank,
Congratulations on your first flight.
I had similar temps on the first flight of my 912S powered 601HD. Thinking
I needed more air inlet to the oil cooler I enlarged the opening, but had
little improvement. What it needed was more outlet, to an area of reduced
pressure; so I had to create some ducting from the oil cooler outlet to the
opening at the bottom of the cowl. Vast improvement. I then also made a
rubber seal and installed it around the oil cooler on the inlet side so that
all of the air coming into the duct has to go through the cooler, not around
it. Pressure differential - high pressure on the inlet side, low pressure
on the outlet side - is what makes the oil cooler effective.
With outside temperatures of 30C(86F) I see oil temps of 245F; with outside
temp of 20C(68F)oil is about 190F. Cooler OATs mean I have to block off
part of the oil cooler inlet.
Regards,
Paul Sharpe,
Guelph, ON, Canada
C-IABP / CH601HD / R912S
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
>
> Listers. I just completed the first flight of 601XL C-GYXQ today.
the oil temp was getting close to max on the 912S even though it wasn't a
warm day and I
> wasn't maxing out the RPM by any means.
>
> Can anyone offer typical temperature ranges for the 912S that you are
> experiencing?
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL 6W9-7 Crimping the Wing Tip End Angles |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
Thanks for the help. It is definitely a fitted part. What I don't
understand, is why Zenith just doesn't say that in the construction
manual instead of say a crimp every 20mm.
Also, why are there 3 each of the tip angles included in the kit? Last
time I checked the plans there are two wings on the 601XL.
To see the outcome check by my website. A photo is on the progress page.
Gig Giacona
www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | First flight 912S Oil Heat |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
Congratulations on your first flight!
I've a 912; I see CHTs in the 220-250 F range. My Rotax oil radiator is up front
inside the cowl just in front of the oil pump. I see 220 F in the heat of
summer on climb, but it then drops back to 190-200 F in cruise. I'd guess you're
not getting effective air-cooling of the oil rad. For winter use, I added
an oil rad shutter, so I can get the oil up above 212 to boil water out. The oil
rad shutter covers the upper 1/3 of the radiator, controlled by a cable from
the left seat.
GGP
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
You'll be fine; the offset is designed in.
GGP
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL 6W9-7 Crimping the Wing Tip End Angles |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Also, why are there 3 each of the tip angles included in the kit? Last
time I checked the plans there are two wings on the 601XL.
Only if you specified the 2-wing option, else, it comes with 3 (ha ha)
Keith
CH701
Tail 98% complete -- kit
All else 2% -- scratch
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt 9,100'
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| Subject: | Looking for Rick Arnold |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
Rick,
You emailed me privately about my CH640 project.
Your return email address is invalid and my reply was not able to get to
you. Please email me at myfirstname@mylastname.net.
-Matthew Mucker
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| Subject: | First flight 912S Oil Heat |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
Paul,
Thanks a lot for the advice. Do you have a picture of your oil cooler
installation?
I'm beginning to wonder if there might be a mismatch between the VDO
sender on the 912S and the Mitchell gauge I have. Mitchell says they
should match, but I'm not sure. I'm going to tie an ohmmeter in to see
what values the sender is sending.
It seems that the difference between CHT (185) and Oil (260) is very
high. Did you ever see that kind of differential?
Frank
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sharpe
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight 912S Oil Heat
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Sharpe" <fly601@rogers.com>
Frank,
Congratulations on your first flight.
I had similar temps on the first flight of my 912S powered 601HD.
Thinking I needed more air inlet to the oil cooler I enlarged the
opening, but had little improvement. What it needed was more outlet, to
an area of reduced pressure; so I had to create some ducting from the
oil cooler outlet to the opening at the bottom of the cowl. Vast
improvement. I then also made a rubber seal and installed it around the
oil cooler on the inlet side so that all of the air coming into the duct
has to go through the cooler, not around it. Pressure differential -
high pressure on the inlet side, low pressure on the outlet side - is
what makes the oil cooler effective.
With outside temperatures of 30C(86F) I see oil temps of 245F; with
outside temp of 20C(68F)oil is about 190F. Cooler OATs mean I have to
block off part of the oil cooler inlet.
Regards,
Paul Sharpe,
Guelph, ON, Canada
C-IABP / CH601HD / R912S
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
>
> Listers. I just completed the first flight of 601XL C-GYXQ today.
the oil temp was getting close to max on the 912S even though it wasn't
a warm day and I
> wasn't maxing out the RPM by any means.
>
> Can anyone offer typical temperature ranges for the 912S that you are
> experiencing?
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| Subject: | First flight 912S Oil Heat |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
Thanks George. I'm going to work on sealing the inlet to cooler to see
if that helps then resort to some kind of outlet ducting if that doesn't
help much. Also checking my instrumentation to make sure it is showing
the correct value.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
george.pinneo@ngc.com
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: First flight 912S Oil Heat
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
Congratulations on your first flight!
I've a 912; I see CHTs in the 220-250 F range. My Rotax oil radiator is
up front inside the cowl just in front of the oil pump. I see 220 F in
the heat of summer on climb, but it then drops back to 190-200 F in
cruise. I'd guess you're not getting effective air-cooling of the oil
rad. For winter use, I added an oil rad shutter, so I can get the oil up
above 212 to boil water out. The oil rad shutter covers the upper 1/3 of
the radiator, controlled by a cable from the left seat.
GGP
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| Subject: | Photos of C-GYXQ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
I've had a couple requests for photos of my finished 601XL aircraft. If
you are interested there are pictures at:
www.iprules.com/plane.html
The first link is the latest photo.
Frank
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| Subject: | Order from Zenith on line? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Hello list members.
Does anyone know how to order from Zenith on line? I have been trying
to find an order form on their home page, so that I may order some A4
rivets.
I have called in an order for part before, but was wondering if this was
possible.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
p.s. I have not wasted too many A4 rivets, but it seem that I will need
around 400-500 to complete my project. Anyone else had the same
experiance?
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| Subject: | Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Frank- Congratulations!! Best wishes for many more great flights in your
XL. Al Young, 601XL (N601AY Reserved) Working on Fuselage.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Order from Zenith on line? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
You can just send them an email listing what you want. Send it to
info@zenithair.com and it will get to the right people.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Subject: Zenith-List: Order from Zenith on line?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
>
> Hello list members.
>
> Does anyone know how to order from Zenith on line? I have been trying
> to find an order form on their home page, so that I may order some A4
> rivets.
> I have called in an order for part before, but was wondering if this was
> possible.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
>
> p.s. I have not wasted too many A4 rivets, but it seem that I will need
> around 400-500 to complete my project. Anyone else had the same
> experiance?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Order from Zenith on line? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Just put your needs in an e-mail to tech support or to info@zenithaircraft.com
and Nick will get it. If they have your purchase information on file, it is
easier than most order forms. Bill comes with your "stuff" send them a check
and its done... Low tech... huh
Hal
theplanefolks.net
N701PF
VSTOL CH701/Jab3300
Johann wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
>
> Hello list members.
>
> Does anyone know how to order from Zenith on line? I have been trying
> to find an order form on their home page, so that I may order some A4
> rivets.
> I have called in an order for part before, but was wondering if this was
> possible.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
>
> p.s. I have not wasted too many A4 rivets, but it seem that I will need
> around 400-500 to complete my project. Anyone else had the same
> experiance?
>
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| Subject: | Photos of C-GYXQ |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
I've had a couple requests for photos of my finished 601XL aircraft. If
you are interested there are pictures at:
www.iprules.com/plane.html
The first link is the latest photo.
Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Order from Zenith on line? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hi Johann,
Yes, samehappenedto us, we think we are about 200 A4 rivets short, we
now are using the box of the second 701 but we are going to buy about
500 from ZAC. I think that 250 extra rivets will make it in a
project... if we dont waste to much, the A5 came out OK.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
PS In fact, I dont know how much they come in each box...
--- Johann <johann@gi.is> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
>
> Hello list members.
>
> Does anyone know how to order from Zenith on line? I have been
> trying
> to find an order form on their home page, so that I may order some A4
> rivets.
> I have called in an order for part before, but was wondering if this
> was
> possible.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
>
> p.s. I have not wasted too many A4 rivets, but it seem that I will
> need
> around 400-500 to complete my project. Anyone else had the same
> experiance?
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL 6W9-7 Crimping the Wing Tip End Angles |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 9/29/03 9:45 AM, Gig at wr.giacona@cox-internet.com wrote:
> Also, why are there 3 each of the tip angles included in the kit? Last
> time I checked the plans there are two wings on the 601XL.
>
Knowing full well you will probably destroy one trying to figure out how to
get the right shape, Zenith included an extra one for practice most likely.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Panel and engine installed.
Working on electrical and interior.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Order from Zenith on line? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 9/29/03 7:21 PM, Johann at johann@gi.is wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
>
> Hello list members.
>
> Does anyone know how to order from Zenith on line?
>
I've ordered parts from them by phone or by sending an E-mail describing
what I need. They usually get back to me within a couple of days with the
prices.
> p.s. I have not wasted too many A4 rivets, but it seem that I will need
> around 400-500 to complete my project. Anyone else had the same
> experiance?
>
>
I built my plane from partial kits and I've run out of rivets a couple of
times. I E-mailed Zenith for more and they sent them out at no charge, I
don't think they even charged shipping.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Panel and engine installed.
Working on electrical and interior.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | 701 wing spar rivets for .125 caps... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin & Eva Bima" <bima@autobahn.mb.ca>
Those of us who are using .125 spar caps (as opposed to the .093), did anyone step
up the rivet length to 7/16 from the specified 6/16?
Thanks
Martin Bima
Winnipeg, Canada
STOL-Vair 701
60% of parts fabbed
100% engine disassembled
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| Subject: | reply to 912S OIL TEMP |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Hart" <rdh91577@alltel.net>
I had to move my oil cooler up infront of the radiator to finally get the oil
temp in range, I think you'll save yourself some time to do the same. N915RH,
601XL 60 hours.
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| Subject: | Re: Order from Zenith on line? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Johann,
I too didn't waste too many rivets, but I believe I needed about 800 more.
I did put some .016 L's diagonally between the side frames on the rear
fuselage to stiffen it and stop oil canning. But didn't use that many A4's
for this.
Chuck D.
N701TX
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Johann <johann@gi.is>
Subject: Zenith-List: Order from Zenith on line?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
>
> Hello list members.
>
> Does anyone know how to order from Zenith on line? I have been trying
> to find an order form on their home page, so that I may order some A4
> rivets.
> I have called in an order for part before, but was wondering if this was
> possible.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
>
> p.s. I have not wasted too many A4 rivets, but it seem that I will need
> around 400-500 to complete my project. Anyone else had the same
> experiance?
>
>
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