---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/29/03: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:56 AM - Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat (Dave Kubassek) 2. 05:14 AM - Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat (Paul Sharpe) 3. 06:45 AM - Re: 601XL 6W9-7 Crimping the Wing Tip End Angles (Gig) 4. 08:13 AM - Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat () 5. 08:13 AM - Re: Mounting engine () 6. 09:30 AM - Re: 601XL 6W9-7 Crimping the Wing Tip End Angles (Ashcraft, Keith -AES) 7. 02:24 PM - Looking for Rick Arnold (Matthew Mucker) 8. 04:02 PM - Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat (Frank Jones) 9. 04:05 PM - Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat (Frank Jones) 10. 04:09 PM - Photos of C-GYXQ (Frank Jones) 11. 04:21 PM - Order from Zenith on line? (Johann) 12. 04:47 PM - Re: First flight 912S Oil Heat (Al Young) 13. 05:19 PM - Re: Order from Zenith on line? (Bill Steer) 14. 05:20 PM - Re: Order from Zenith on line? (Hal Rozema) 15. 05:23 PM - Photos of C-GYXQ (Frank Jones) 16. 05:23 PM - Re: Order from Zenith on line? (Gary Gower) 17. 05:24 PM - Re: 601XL 6W9-7 Crimping the Wing Tip End Angles (Bryan Martin) 18. 05:36 PM - Re: Order from Zenith on line? (Bryan Martin) 19. 06:46 PM - 701 wing spar rivets for .125 caps... (Martin & Eva Bima) 20. 07:54 PM - reply to 912S OIL TEMP (Randy Hart) 21. 10:21 PM - Re: Order from Zenith on line? (Chuck Deiterich) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:28 AM PST US From: "Dave Kubassek" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight 912S Oil Heat --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" Congratulations Frank,way to go Now to forget about the building and enjoy. Fly safe, and God Bless. dave kubassek C-FDSF 601 XL . 0235 Lyc. A whole whopping 15 hrs and still smiling. Flys like a charm do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Jones" Subject: Zenith-List: First flight 912S Oil Heat > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" > > Listers. I just completed the first flight of 601XL C-GYXQ today. ======================================================================== > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:40 AM PST US From: "Paul Sharpe" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight 912S Oil Heat --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Sharpe" Frank, Congratulations on your first flight. I had similar temps on the first flight of my 912S powered 601HD. Thinking I needed more air inlet to the oil cooler I enlarged the opening, but had little improvement. What it needed was more outlet, to an area of reduced pressure; so I had to create some ducting from the oil cooler outlet to the opening at the bottom of the cowl. Vast improvement. I then also made a rubber seal and installed it around the oil cooler on the inlet side so that all of the air coming into the duct has to go through the cooler, not around it. Pressure differential - high pressure on the inlet side, low pressure on the outlet side - is what makes the oil cooler effective. With outside temperatures of 30C(86F) I see oil temps of 245F; with outside temp of 20C(68F)oil is about 190F. Cooler OATs mean I have to block off part of the oil cooler inlet. Regards, Paul Sharpe, Guelph, ON, Canada C-IABP / CH601HD / R912S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Jones" > > Listers. I just completed the first flight of 601XL C-GYXQ today. the oil temp was getting close to max on the 912S even though it wasn't a warm day and I > wasn't maxing out the RPM by any means. > > Can anyone offer typical temperature ranges for the 912S that you are > experiencing? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:36 AM PST US From: Gig Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL 6W9-7 Crimping the Wing Tip End Angles --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig Thanks for the help. It is definitely a fitted part. What I don't understand, is why Zenith just doesn't say that in the construction manual instead of say a crimp every 20mm. Also, why are there 3 each of the tip angles included in the kit? Last time I checked the plans there are two wings on the 601XL. To see the outcome check by my website. A photo is on the progress page. Gig Giacona www.peoamerica.net/N601WR ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:09 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: First flight 912S Oil Heat From: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Congratulations on your first flight! I've a 912; I see CHTs in the 220-250 F range. My Rotax oil radiator is up front inside the cowl just in front of the oil pump. I see 220 F in the heat of summer on climb, but it then drops back to 190-200 F in cruise. I'd guess you're not getting effective air-cooling of the oil rad. For winter use, I added an oil rad shutter, so I can get the oil up above 212 to boil water out. The oil rad shutter covers the upper 1/3 of the radiator, controlled by a cable from the left seat. GGP ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Mounting engine From: --> Zenith-List message posted by: You'll be fine; the offset is designed in. GGP ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:48 AM PST US From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL 6W9-7 Crimping the Wing Tip End Angles --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" Also, why are there 3 each of the tip angles included in the kit? Last time I checked the plans there are two wings on the 601XL. Only if you specified the 2-wing option, else, it comes with 3 (ha ha) Keith CH701 Tail 98% complete -- kit All else 2% -- scratch N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt 9,100' ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:49 PM PST US From: "Matthew Mucker" Subject: Zenith-List: Looking for Rick Arnold --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" Rick, You emailed me privately about my CH640 project. Your return email address is invalid and my reply was not able to get to you. Please email me at myfirstname@mylastname.net. -Matthew Mucker === Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with backup tapes. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:19 PM PST US From: "Frank Jones" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: First flight 912S Oil Heat --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" Paul, Thanks a lot for the advice. Do you have a picture of your oil cooler installation? I'm beginning to wonder if there might be a mismatch between the VDO sender on the 912S and the Mitchell gauge I have. Mitchell says they should match, but I'm not sure. I'm going to tie an ohmmeter in to see what values the sender is sending. It seems that the difference between CHT (185) and Oil (260) is very high. Did you ever see that kind of differential? Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sharpe Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight 912S Oil Heat --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Sharpe" Frank, Congratulations on your first flight. I had similar temps on the first flight of my 912S powered 601HD. Thinking I needed more air inlet to the oil cooler I enlarged the opening, but had little improvement. What it needed was more outlet, to an area of reduced pressure; so I had to create some ducting from the oil cooler outlet to the opening at the bottom of the cowl. Vast improvement. I then also made a rubber seal and installed it around the oil cooler on the inlet side so that all of the air coming into the duct has to go through the cooler, not around it. Pressure differential - high pressure on the inlet side, low pressure on the outlet side - is what makes the oil cooler effective. With outside temperatures of 30C(86F) I see oil temps of 245F; with outside temp of 20C(68F)oil is about 190F. Cooler OATs mean I have to block off part of the oil cooler inlet. Regards, Paul Sharpe, Guelph, ON, Canada C-IABP / CH601HD / R912S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Jones" > > Listers. I just completed the first flight of 601XL C-GYXQ today. the oil temp was getting close to max on the 912S even though it wasn't a warm day and I > wasn't maxing out the RPM by any means. > > Can anyone offer typical temperature ranges for the 912S that you are > experiencing? == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report == == ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:16 PM PST US From: "Frank Jones" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: First flight 912S Oil Heat --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" Thanks George. I'm going to work on sealing the inlet to cooler to see if that helps then resort to some kind of outlet ducting if that doesn't help much. Also checking my instrumentation to make sure it is showing the correct value. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george.pinneo@ngc.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: First flight 912S Oil Heat --> Zenith-List message posted by: Congratulations on your first flight! I've a 912; I see CHTs in the 220-250 F range. My Rotax oil radiator is up front inside the cowl just in front of the oil pump. I see 220 F in the heat of summer on climb, but it then drops back to 190-200 F in cruise. I'd guess you're not getting effective air-cooling of the oil rad. For winter use, I added an oil rad shutter, so I can get the oil up above 212 to boil water out. The oil rad shutter covers the upper 1/3 of the radiator, controlled by a cable from the left seat. GGP == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report == == ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:46 PM PST US From: "Frank Jones" Subject: Zenith-List: Photos of C-GYXQ --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" I've had a couple requests for photos of my finished 601XL aircraft. If you are interested there are pictures at: www.iprules.com/plane.html The first link is the latest photo. Frank ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:27 PM PST US From: "Johann" Subject: Zenith-List: Order from Zenith on line? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" Hello list members. Does anyone know how to order from Zenith on line? I have been trying to find an order form on their home page, so that I may order some A4 rivets. I have called in an order for part before, but was wondering if this was possible. Best regards, Johann G. Iceland. p.s. I have not wasted too many A4 rivets, but it seem that I will need around 400-500 to complete my project. Anyone else had the same experiance? ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:24 PM PST US From: "Al Young" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First flight 912S Oil Heat --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" Frank- Congratulations!! Best wishes for many more great flights in your XL. Al Young, 601XL (N601AY Reserved) Working on Fuselage. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:52 PM PST US From: "Bill Steer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Order from Zenith on line? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" You can just send them an email listing what you want. Send it to info@zenithair.com and it will get to the right people. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johann" Subject: Zenith-List: Order from Zenith on line? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" > > Hello list members. > > Does anyone know how to order from Zenith on line? I have been trying > to find an order form on their home page, so that I may order some A4 > rivets. > I have called in an order for part before, but was wondering if this was > possible. > > Best regards, > > Johann G. > Iceland. > > p.s. I have not wasted too many A4 rivets, but it seem that I will need > around 400-500 to complete my project. Anyone else had the same > experiance? > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:05 PM PST US From: Hal Rozema Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Order from Zenith on line? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema Just put your needs in an e-mail to tech support or to info@zenithaircraft.com and Nick will get it. If they have your purchase information on file, it is easier than most order forms. Bill comes with your "stuff" send them a check and its done... Low tech... huh Hal theplanefolks.net N701PF VSTOL CH701/Jab3300 Johann wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" > > Hello list members. > > Does anyone know how to order from Zenith on line? I have been trying > to find an order form on their home page, so that I may order some A4 > rivets. > I have called in an order for part before, but was wondering if this was > possible. > > Best regards, > > Johann G. > Iceland. > > p.s. I have not wasted too many A4 rivets, but it seem that I will need > around 400-500 to complete my project. Anyone else had the same > experiance? > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:41 PM PST US From: "Frank Jones" Subject: Zenith-List: Photos of C-GYXQ --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" I've had a couple requests for photos of my finished 601XL aircraft. If you are interested there are pictures at: www.iprules.com/plane.html The first link is the latest photo. Frank ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:41 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Order from Zenith on line? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hi Johann, Yes, samehappenedto us, we think we are about 200 A4 rivets short, we now are using the box of the second 701 but we are going to buy about 500 from ZAC. I think that 250 extra rivets will make it in a project... if we dont waste to much, the A5 came out OK. Saludos Gary Gower. PS In fact, I dont know how much they come in each box... --- Johann wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" > > Hello list members. > > Does anyone know how to order from Zenith on line? I have been > trying > to find an order form on their home page, so that I may order some A4 > rivets. > I have called in an order for part before, but was wondering if this > was > possible. > > Best regards, > > Johann G. > Iceland. > > p.s. I have not wasted too many A4 rivets, but it seem that I will > need > around 400-500 to complete my project. Anyone else had the same > experiance? > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL 6W9-7 Crimping the Wing Tip End Angles From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin on 9/29/03 9:45 AM, Gig at wr.giacona@cox-internet.com wrote: > Also, why are there 3 each of the tip angles included in the kit? Last > time I checked the plans there are two wings on the 601XL. > Knowing full well you will probably destroy one trying to figure out how to get the right shape, Zenith included an extra one for practice most likely. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Airframe construction complete. Panel and engine installed. Working on electrical and interior. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Order from Zenith on line? From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin on 9/29/03 7:21 PM, Johann at johann@gi.is wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" > > Hello list members. > > Does anyone know how to order from Zenith on line? > I've ordered parts from them by phone or by sending an E-mail describing what I need. They usually get back to me within a couple of days with the prices. > p.s. I have not wasted too many A4 rivets, but it seem that I will need > around 400-500 to complete my project. Anyone else had the same > experiance? > > I built my plane from partial kits and I've run out of rivets a couple of times. I E-mailed Zenith for more and they sent them out at no charge, I don't think they even charged shipping. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Airframe construction complete. Panel and engine installed. Working on electrical and interior. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:09 PM PST US From: "Martin & Eva Bima" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 wing spar rivets for .125 caps... --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Martin & Eva Bima" Those of us who are using .125 spar caps (as opposed to the .093), did anyone step up the rivet length to 7/16 from the specified 6/16? Thanks Martin Bima Winnipeg, Canada STOL-Vair 701 60% of parts fabbed 100% engine disassembled ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:34 PM PST US From: "Randy Hart" Subject: Zenith-List: reply to 912S OIL TEMP --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Hart" I had to move my oil cooler up infront of the radiator to finally get the oil temp in range, I think you'll save yourself some time to do the same. N915RH, 601XL 60 hours. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:39 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Order from Zenith on line? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" Johann, I too didn't waste too many rivets, but I believe I needed about 800 more. I did put some .016 L's diagonally between the side frames on the rear fuselage to stiffen it and stop oil canning. But didn't use that many A4's for this. Chuck D. N701TX do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Johann Subject: Zenith-List: Order from Zenith on line? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" > > Hello list members. > > Does anyone know how to order from Zenith on line? I have been trying > to find an order form on their home page, so that I may order some A4 > rivets. > I have called in an order for part before, but was wondering if this was > possible. > > Best regards, > > Johann G. > Iceland. > > p.s. I have not wasted too many A4 rivets, but it seem that I will need > around 400-500 to complete my project. Anyone else had the same > experiance? > >