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1. 04:55 AM - Dual instruction 701/912S (Shay King)
2. 05:28 AM - Re: 701 AD's (John Mireley)
3. 06:20 AM - My 601XL Website Has Been Updated (Gig)
4. 06:23 AM - Re: HP vs LBS. (David Barth)
5. 08:17 AM - Pega Stol wings (Gordon)
6. 12:27 PM - Re: Pega Stol wings (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
7. 01:43 PM - Re: HP vs LBS. (Mike Fraley)
8. 07:24 PM - TSO'd Instruments (Alejandro Roca)
9. 07:39 PM - Re: HP vs LBS. (Bryan Martin)
10. 08:09 PM - Re: TSO'd Instruments (Bryan Martin)
11. 08:30 PM - "Sport Aviation Collection" (John Ruddock)
12. 08:37 PM - Zenith List-Non TSO'd Instruments (Schallgren@aol.com)
13. 09:11 PM - Off topic engine cooling question (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
14. 09:51 PM - Re: Off topic engine cooling question (Bill Howerton)
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| Subject: | Dual instruction 701/912S |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Shay King" <shaking@eircom.net>
Dear List,
After 3 years of building my 701 is just about ready to fly. Is there
anyone out there who could give me a couple of hours of dual Instruction
on a 701 preferably with a 912 or 912S engine? I regularly fly into New
York, Boston, Baltimore, Chicago and LAX, so someone near to one of
these cities would be ideal. I've got loads of flight time on jets but
very little on light aircraft in the last few years.
As always any help or advice appreciated.
Regards,
Shay King. DO NOT ARCHIVE
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Dear List,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>After 3 years of building my 701 is
just about
ready to fly. Is there anyone out there who could give me a couple
of
hours of dual Instruction on a 701 preferably with a 912 or 912S
engine? I
regularly fly into New York, Boston, Baltimore, Chicago and LAX, so
someone near
to one of these cities would be ideal. I've got loads of flight
time on
jets but very little on light aircraft in the last few
years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>As always any help or advice
appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Shay King.
DO
NOT ARCHIVE</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: John Mireley <mireley@msu.edu>
Bryan Martin wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
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> on 10/1/03 3:29 PM, Jkingpawn@aol.com at Jkingpawn@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jkingpawn@aol.com
>>
>>could someone please tell me where i can find a list of ad's on the ch701
>
>
> The FAA does not issue ADs on homebuilt aircraft but the kit manufacturer
The FAA does issue Aviation Maintenance Alerts AC43-16A on experimentals.
Here is a link to an example.
http://mireley.net/glcompair/builder_assistance/manual/section2/rudder/ac43-16a.pdf/
There should be a database on the FAA site that you can search.
http://afs600.faa.gov/srchFolder.asp?Category=alerts
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| Subject: | My 601XL Website Has Been Updated |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
Just a note for all of you that have e-mailed me to make my website more
Dial-up friendly it has been done. Check it out.
Gig Giacona
www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
--Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin
> > 130 h.p. on 185 lbs. -- www.canpoweraviation.com
>
> This sounds a bit more reasonable but the RPM is not
> given and the engine
> only exits on paper.
>
>
It is not just on paper anymore Bryan. I have seen
this engine at an anternative engine seminar just
three weeks ago and it is quite a beauty. I believe
the one they had with them has a few hundred hours on
it in a Kit Fox. They are going (at least it is what
they say) into production later this fall. It is a
direct drive. They have a tbo right now of 1200 hours
I believe but feel it will climb to 2,400 hours. For
those not needing an engine for another few months or
a year I believe this will be a great option.
Just an opinion and I am not a mechanic.
David
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Still making parts. Nose Ribs Done and about half the rear ribs for the wings.
Stab and elevator waiting for skins. Flaps, ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon" <cscsail@gmavt.net>
The Pega Stol wings offered by a Quebec company seem like a good option
for the 701. Has anyone used these wing or look into them as a
replacement for the standard zenith 701 wing.
Gordon
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>The <FONT face"Times New Roman"
size3>Pega Stol
wings offered by a Quebec company seem like a good option for the 701.
Has
anyone used these wing or look into them as a replacement for the
standard
zenith 701 wing.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Pega Stol wings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Gordon wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon" <mailto:cscsail@gmavt.net> <cscsail@gmavt.net>
The Pega Stol wings offered by a Quebec company seem like a good option
for the 701. Has anyone used these wing or look into them as a
replacement for the standard zenith 701 wing.
Gordon
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Hello Gordon,
This has been a topic before, but no real answer was ever resolved. One thing that
I have questions about is that they offer a speed increase that pushes the
cruise speed past the original CH701 Vne speed. I haven't asked Zenith about
this issue yet as I am not building wings yet. I have also held off, becasue they
advertise their wings are a retro-fit, so I can add them later if I wanted
to. I remember reading somewhere about pressure-sensitive slats can be unpredicitable
when landing in gusty winds. The reaction of the slats to the gusts,
plus the slow flight of landing could cause for some adventures. With no experience
in this area, I am still trying to gather information about these wings
and the CH701 setup.
Good luck and let us (list) know what you come up with
Keith
ch701builder@yahoo.com
keith.ashcraft@itt.com
CH701
rudder 100% ------ kit
horiz stab 100% -- kit
elevator 98% ----- kit
0% all else ------ scratch/plans
building stopped because of rebuilding shop, getting too cold to pour cement, so
might have to find alternative for the Winter.
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike Fraley" <mike@theautoexpo.com>
---Any input or ideas?
120 h.p. on 110 lbs. -- www.masquito.be
130 h.p. on 185 lbs. -- www.canpoweraviation.com
----
I was researching Rotary engines for a while... still am interested, but
not even building yet.... anyway, for what it's worth, you might want to
check out these guys...
Midwest Engines --
http://www.avnet.co.uk/midwestengines/html/hawk_0.html
Their AE110 2 rotor engines promises these numbers:
Max take off power: 78kw or 105hp
Dry weight: 55.3kg or 122 pounds.... this includes reduction gear, but
not radiator, exhaust, electric, etc.
Max eng. rpm is 7500, cruise 7100. These engines are flying in the uk
(they're certified there)... But good luck getting a response from the
company. I've sent several emails, with no reply. If anyone knows the
installed weight and or the cost of these engines, I sure would like to
know.
Thanks,
Mike
701 dreaming/planning/researching
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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2><FONT face"Times New Roman"
size3>---Any input or
ideas?<BR><BR>120 h.p. on 110 lbs. -- </FONT><A
href"http://www.masquito.be"><FONT face"Times New Roman"
size3>www.masquito.be</FONT></A><BR><FONT face"Times New Roman"
size3>130
h.p. on 185 lbs. -- </FONT><A
href"http://www.canpoweraviation.com"><FONT
face"Times New Roman"
size3>www.canpoweraviation.com</FONT></A><BR>----</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I was researching Rotary engines for a
while...
still am interested, but not even building yet.... anyway, for what it's
worth,
you might want to check out these guys...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Midwest Engines -- <A
href"http://www.avnet.co.uk/midwestengines/html/hawk_0.html">http://ww=
w.avnet.co.uk/midwestengines/html/hawk_0.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Their AE110 2 rotor engines
promises these
numbers:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Max take off power: 78kw or
105hp</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Dry weight: 55.3kg or 122
pounds.... this
includes reduction gear, but not radiator, exhaust, electric,
etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Max eng. rpm is 7500, cruise
7100. These
engines are flying in the uk (they're certified there)... But
good
luck getting a response from the company. I've sent several
emails, with
no reply. If anyone knows the installed weight and or the cost of
these
engines, I sure would like to know.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Mike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>701
dreaming/planning/researching</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Subject: | TSO'd Instruments |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Alejandro Roca <alex_roca@mac.com>
I am the stage where I need to purchase instruments and avionics. I
have received quotes from several suppliers and by far Aircraft Spruce
has given me the best deal. I am leaning towards Non TSO'd instruments.
I was wondering how many builders are actually putting Non TSO'd
instruments in their panels. As you probably already know, they can be
1/2 the price of a TSO instrument. Gulf Avionics did mention to me that
most Non TSO'd instruments are built in China and therefor the quality
is not that great (example Falcon instruments).
So far I plan for (Altimeter, VSI, ASI, Turn Coordinator,
Directional Gyro (Vacuum), Artificial Horizon (Vacuum), GPS Garmin 196,
Vertical Card Compass, IC COM and an Grand Rapids EIS). Any input
regarding on the TSO vs Non TSO would be appreciated.
Alex Roca
CH601-XL
Fuselage 90% complete
San Antonio, TX
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 10/2/03 9:23 AM, David Barth at davids601xl@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> 130 h.p. on 185 lbs. -- www.canpoweraviation.com
>>
>> This sounds a bit more reasonable but the RPM is not
>> given and the engine
>> only exits on paper.
>>
>>
> It is not just on paper anymore Bryan. I have seen
> this engine at an anternative engine seminar just
> three weeks ago and it is quite a beauty.
I misread the note under the specifications about the prototype. However; I
still can't find any mention of what RPM the power is rated at. Without that
information, it's hard to judge how reasonable the claimed power output is.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Panel and engine installed.
Working on electrical and interior.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: TSO'd Instruments |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 10/2/03 10:22 PM, Alejandro Roca at alex_roca@mac.com wrote:
> So far I plan for (Altimeter, VSI, ASI, Turn Coordinator,
> Directional Gyro (Vacuum), Artificial Horizon (Vacuum), GPS Garmin 196,
> Vertical Card Compass, IC COM and an Grand Rapids EIS). Any input
> regarding on the TSO vs Non TSO would be appreciated.
>
I got my instruments from Ebay auctions and paid an average of about 1/3 of
new retail prices.
http://listings.ebaymotors.com/aw/plistings/list/category26435/index.html
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Panel and engine installed.
Working on electrical and interior.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | "Sport Aviation Collection" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Ruddock" <jruddock@indy.rr.com>
Ebay
Listing details Item name: "Sport Aviation" Collection, 1974-1982
Item number: 3555276161
Listing format: Auction
Main category: Books:Magazines & Catalogs:Magazine Back Issues:Antiques &
Collectibles
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| Subject: | Zenith List-Non TSO'd Instruments |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Schallgren@aol.com
Alex wrote: "So far I plan for (Altimeter, VSI, ASI, Turn Coordinator,=A0
Directional Gyro (Vacuum), Artificial Horizon (Vacuum), GPS Garmin 196,
Vertical Card Compass, IC COM and an Grand Rapids EIS). Any input
regarding on the TSO vs Non TSO would be appreciated."
Our non-TSO'd instruments, some from China, work fine 3 years after
installation. Since we plan no IFR or night flight non-TSO seems a better=20=
economic
choice with little or no downside.
We did the vacuum as you are considering. Given our real use of the
aircraft I would seriously consider going all electric next time. The vacu=
um lines
and a 15 gallon header tank make for a very tight fit and many extra hours o=
f
building time.
Stan
601 HDS/Jab 3300
145 hours
<HTML><FONT FACEarial,helvetica><FONT COLOR"#000000" FACE"Geneva" F=
AMILY"SANSSERIF" SIZE"2">Alex wrote: "</FONT><FONT COLOR"#000000" F=
ACE"Geneva" FAMILY"SANSSERIF" SIZE"2">So far I plan for (Altimeter,=
VSI, ASI, Turn Coordinator,=A0<BR>
Directional Gyro (Vacuum), Artificial Horizon (Vacuum), GPS Garmin 196,<BR>
Vertical Card Compass, IC COM and an Grand Rapids EIS). Any input<BR>
regarding on the TSO vs Non TSO would be appreciated."<BR>
<BR>
Our non-TSO'd instruments, some from China, work fine 3 years after installa=
tion. Since we plan no IFR or night flight non-TSO seems a better eco=
nomic choice with little or no downside.<BR>
<BR>
We did the vacuum as you are considering. Given our real use of the a=
ircraft I would seriously consider going all electric next time. The=20=
vacuum lines and a 15 gallon header tank make for a very tight fit and many=20=
extra hours of building time.<BR>
<BR>
Stan<BR>
601 HDS/Jab 3300<BR>
145 hours</FONT><FONT COLOR"#000000" FACE"Geneva" FAMILY"SANSSERIF"=
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| Subject: | Off topic engine cooling question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hi List sorry for the off topic question but IO don;t know where else to
turn.
I have a 95 Lumina mini van that is losing 100% of it's water about ever 2
weeks. The problem is I can't find a leak in anything anywhere! When the car
sits either hot or cold no water accumulates under the vehicle....not even
drops! When the engine is hot I can not see anything coming from either the top
or bottom radiator hose, so I can't find any holes in hoses which appear to be
in good repair. The radiator cap fit's snugly and I can't find a leak in the
recovery bottle. The only thing I don't know how to check is the water pump.
But what I don't understand is where is all of the water going in a "sealed
system" if I can't find it leaking out anywhere. This is making me crazy!
Any suggestions on where to look would be helpful.
Thanks,
Steve (I can't make my damn canopy fit) Freeman
<HTML><FONT FACEarial,helvetica><FONT SIZE2 FAMILY"SANSSERIF" FACE=
"Arial" LANG"0">Hi List sorry for the off topic question but IO don;t=20=
know where else to turn.<BR>
<BR>
I have a 95 Lumina mini van that is losing 100% of it's water about ever 2 w=
eeks. The problem is I can't find a leak in anything anywhere! W=
hen the car sits either hot or cold no water accumulates under the vehicle..=
..not even drops! When the engine is hot I can not see anything coming=
from either the top or bottom radiator hose, so I can't find any holes in h=
oses which appear to be in good repair. The radiator cap fit's snugly=20=
and I can't find a leak in the recovery bottle. The only thing I don't=
know how to check is the water pump.<BR>
<BR>
But what I don't understand is where is all of the water going in a "sealed=20=
system" if I can't find it leaking out anywhere. This is making me cra=
zy!<BR>
<BR>
Any suggestions on where to look would be helpful. <BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
<BR>
Steve (I can't make my damn canopy fit) Freeman</FONT></HTML>
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| Subject: | Re: Off topic engine cooling question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
Have you done a compression check to see if you have a cracked head gasket?
For that matter, have you checked your oil to see if you have antifreeze in
it, or you radiator fluid for oil?
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