---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/02/03: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:55 AM - Dual instruction 701/912S (Shay King) 2. 05:28 AM - Re: 701 AD's (John Mireley) 3. 06:20 AM - My 601XL Website Has Been Updated (Gig) 4. 06:23 AM - Re: HP vs LBS. (David Barth) 5. 08:17 AM - Pega Stol wings (Gordon) 6. 12:27 PM - Re: Pega Stol wings (Ashcraft, Keith -AES) 7. 01:43 PM - Re: HP vs LBS. (Mike Fraley) 8. 07:24 PM - TSO'd Instruments (Alejandro Roca) 9. 07:39 PM - Re: HP vs LBS. (Bryan Martin) 10. 08:09 PM - Re: TSO'd Instruments (Bryan Martin) 11. 08:30 PM - "Sport Aviation Collection" (John Ruddock) 12. 08:37 PM - Zenith List-Non TSO'd Instruments (Schallgren@aol.com) 13. 09:11 PM - Off topic engine cooling question (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com) 14. 09:51 PM - Re: Off topic engine cooling question (Bill Howerton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:15 AM PST US From: "Shay King" Subject: Zenith-List: Dual instruction 701/912S --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Shay King" Dear List, After 3 years of building my 701 is just about ready to fly. Is there anyone out there who could give me a couple of hours of dual Instruction on a 701 preferably with a 912 or 912S engine? I regularly fly into New York, Boston, Baltimore, Chicago and LAX, so someone near to one of these cities would be ideal. I've got loads of flight time on jets but very little on light aircraft in the last few years. As always any help or advice appreciated. Regards, Shay King. DO NOT ARCHIVE
Dear List,
After 3 years of building my 701 is just about ready to fly.  Is there anyone out there who could give me a couple of hours of dual Instruction on a 701 preferably with a 912 or 912S engine?  I regularly fly into New York, Boston, Baltimore, Chicago and LAX, so someone near to one of these cities would be ideal.  I've got loads of flight time on jets but very little on light aircraft in the last few years.
 
As always any help or advice appreciated.
 
Regards,
Shay King.        DO NOT ARCHIVE
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:14 AM PST US From: John Mireley Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 AD's --> Zenith-List message posted by: John Mireley Bryan Martin wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > > on 10/1/03 3:29 PM, Jkingpawn@aol.com at Jkingpawn@aol.com wrote: > > >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jkingpawn@aol.com >> >>could someone please tell me where i can find a list of ad's on the ch701 > > > The FAA does not issue ADs on homebuilt aircraft but the kit manufacturer The FAA does issue Aviation Maintenance Alerts AC43-16A on experimentals. Here is a link to an example. http://mireley.net/glcompair/builder_assistance/manual/section2/rudder/ac43-16a.pdf/ There should be a database on the FAA site that you can search. http://afs600.faa.gov/srchFolder.asp?Category=alerts ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:22 AM PST US From: Gig Subject: Zenith-List: My 601XL Website Has Been Updated --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig Just a note for all of you that have e-mailed me to make my website more Dial-up friendly it has been done. Check it out. Gig Giacona www.peoamerica.net/N601WR do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:54 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HP vs LBS. --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth --Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > > 130 h.p. on 185 lbs. -- www.canpoweraviation.com > > This sounds a bit more reasonable but the RPM is not > given and the engine > only exits on paper. > > It is not just on paper anymore Bryan. I have seen this engine at an anternative engine seminar just three weeks ago and it is quite a beauty. I believe the one they had with them has a few hundred hours on it in a Kit Fox. They are going (at least it is what they say) into production later this fall. It is a direct drive. They have a tbo right now of 1200 hours I believe but feel it will climb to 2,400 hours. For those not needing an engine for another few months or a year I believe this will be a great option. Just an opinion and I am not a mechanic. David ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder Still making parts. Nose Ribs Done and about half the rear ribs for the wings. Stab and elevator waiting for skins. Flaps, ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection. __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:27 AM PST US From: "Gordon" Subject: Zenith-List: Pega Stol wings --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon" The Pega Stol wings offered by a Quebec company seem like a good option for the 701. Has anyone used these wing or look into them as a replacement for the standard zenith 701 wing. Gordon
The Pega Stol wings offered by a Quebec company seem like a good option for the 701. Has anyone used these wing or look into them as a replacement for the standard zenith 701 wing.
Gordon
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Pega Stol wings From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" Gordon wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gordon" The Pega Stol wings offered by a Quebec company seem like a good option for the 701. Has anyone used these wing or look into them as a replacement for the standard zenith 701 wing. Gordon *************************************** Hello Gordon, This has been a topic before, but no real answer was ever resolved. One thing that I have questions about is that they offer a speed increase that pushes the cruise speed past the original CH701 Vne speed. I haven't asked Zenith about this issue yet as I am not building wings yet. I have also held off, becasue they advertise their wings are a retro-fit, so I can add them later if I wanted to. I remember reading somewhere about pressure-sensitive slats can be unpredicitable when landing in gusty winds. The reaction of the slats to the gusts, plus the slow flight of landing could cause for some adventures. With no experience in this area, I am still trying to gather information about these wings and the CH701 setup. Good luck and let us (list) know what you come up with Keith ch701builder@yahoo.com keith.ashcraft@itt.com CH701 rudder 100% ------ kit horiz stab 100% -- kit elevator 98% ----- kit 0% all else ------ scratch/plans building stopped because of rebuilding shop, getting too cold to pour cement, so might have to find alternative for the Winter. N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:50 PM PST US From: "Mike Fraley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HP vs LBS. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike Fraley" ---Any input or ideas? 120 h.p. on 110 lbs. -- www.masquito.be 130 h.p. on 185 lbs. -- www.canpoweraviation.com ---- I was researching Rotary engines for a while... still am interested, but not even building yet.... anyway, for what it's worth, you might want to check out these guys... Midwest Engines -- http://www.avnet.co.uk/midwestengines/html/hawk_0.html Their AE110 2 rotor engines promises these numbers: Max take off power: 78kw or 105hp Dry weight: 55.3kg or 122 pounds.... this includes reduction gear, but not radiator, exhaust, electric, etc. Max eng. rpm is 7500, cruise 7100. These engines are flying in the uk (they're certified there)... But good luck getting a response from the company. I've sent several emails, with no reply. If anyone knows the installed weight and or the cost of these engines, I sure would like to know. Thanks, Mike 701 dreaming/planning/researching
---Any input or ideas?

120 h.p. on 110 lbs. -- www.masquito.be
130 h.p. on 185 lbs. -- www.canpoweraviation.com
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I was researching Rotary engines for a while... still am interested, but not even building yet.... anyway, for what it's worth, you might want to check out these guys...
 
 
Their AE110 2 rotor engines promises these numbers:
Max take off power:  78kw or 105hp
Dry weight: 55.3kg or 122 pounds....  this includes reduction gear, but not radiator, exhaust, electric, etc.
Max eng. rpm is 7500, cruise 7100.  These engines are flying in the uk (they're certified there)...  But good luck getting a response from the company.  I've sent several emails, with no reply.  If anyone knows the installed weight and or the cost of these engines, I sure would like to know.
 
Thanks,
Mike
701 dreaming/planning/researching
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:45 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: TSO'd Instruments From: Alejandro Roca --> Zenith-List message posted by: Alejandro Roca I am the stage where I need to purchase instruments and avionics. I have received quotes from several suppliers and by far Aircraft Spruce has given me the best deal. I am leaning towards Non TSO'd instruments. I was wondering how many builders are actually putting Non TSO'd instruments in their panels. As you probably already know, they can be 1/2 the price of a TSO instrument. Gulf Avionics did mention to me that most Non TSO'd instruments are built in China and therefor the quality is not that great (example Falcon instruments). So far I plan for (Altimeter, VSI, ASI, Turn Coordinator, Directional Gyro (Vacuum), Artificial Horizon (Vacuum), GPS Garmin 196, Vertical Card Compass, IC COM and an Grand Rapids EIS). Any input regarding on the TSO vs Non TSO would be appreciated. Alex Roca CH601-XL Fuselage 90% complete San Antonio, TX ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HP vs LBS. From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin on 10/2/03 9:23 AM, David Barth at davids601xl@yahoo.com wrote: >>> 130 h.p. on 185 lbs. -- www.canpoweraviation.com >> >> This sounds a bit more reasonable but the RPM is not >> given and the engine >> only exits on paper. >> >> > It is not just on paper anymore Bryan. I have seen > this engine at an anternative engine seminar just > three weeks ago and it is quite a beauty. I misread the note under the specifications about the prototype. However; I still can't find any mention of what RPM the power is rated at. Without that information, it's hard to judge how reasonable the claimed power output is. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Airframe construction complete. Panel and engine installed. Working on electrical and interior. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: TSO'd Instruments From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin on 10/2/03 10:22 PM, Alejandro Roca at alex_roca@mac.com wrote: > So far I plan for (Altimeter, VSI, ASI, Turn Coordinator, > Directional Gyro (Vacuum), Artificial Horizon (Vacuum), GPS Garmin 196, > Vertical Card Compass, IC COM and an Grand Rapids EIS). Any input > regarding on the TSO vs Non TSO would be appreciated. > I got my instruments from Ebay auctions and paid an average of about 1/3 of new retail prices. http://listings.ebaymotors.com/aw/plistings/list/category26435/index.html -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Airframe construction complete. Panel and engine installed. Working on electrical and interior. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:33 PM PST US From: "John Ruddock" Subject: Zenith-List: "Sport Aviation Collection" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Ruddock" Ebay Listing details Item name: "Sport Aviation" Collection, 1974-1982 Item number: 3555276161 Listing format: Auction Main category: Books:Magazines & Catalogs:Magazine Back Issues:Antiques & Collectibles ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:23 PM PST US From: Schallgren@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith List-Non TSO'd Instruments --> Zenith-List message posted by: Schallgren@aol.com Alex wrote: "So far I plan for (Altimeter, VSI, ASI, Turn Coordinator,=A0 Directional Gyro (Vacuum), Artificial Horizon (Vacuum), GPS Garmin 196, Vertical Card Compass, IC COM and an Grand Rapids EIS). Any input regarding on the TSO vs Non TSO would be appreciated." Our non-TSO'd instruments, some from China, work fine 3 years after installation. Since we plan no IFR or night flight non-TSO seems a better=20= economic choice with little or no downside. We did the vacuum as you are considering. Given our real use of the aircraft I would seriously consider going all electric next time. The vacu= um lines and a 15 gallon header tank make for a very tight fit and many extra hours o= f building time. Stan 601 HDS/Jab 3300 145 hours Alex wrote: "So far I plan for (Altimeter,= VSI, ASI, Turn Coordinator,=A0
Directional Gyro (Vacuum), Artificial Horizon (Vacuum), GPS Garmin 196,
Vertical Card Compass, IC COM and an Grand Rapids EIS). Any input
regarding on the TSO vs Non TSO would be appreciated."

Our non-TSO'd instruments, some from China, work fine 3 years after installa= tion.  Since we plan no IFR or night flight non-TSO seems a better eco= nomic choice with little or no downside.

We did the vacuum as you are considering.  Given our real use of the a= ircraft I would seriously consider going all electric next time.  The=20= vacuum lines and a 15 gallon header tank make for a very tight fit and many=20= extra hours of building time.

Stan
601 HDS/Jab 3300
145 hours ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:59 PM PST US From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Off topic engine cooling question --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hi List sorry for the off topic question but IO don;t know where else to turn. I have a 95 Lumina mini van that is losing 100% of it's water about ever 2 weeks. The problem is I can't find a leak in anything anywhere! When the car sits either hot or cold no water accumulates under the vehicle....not even drops! When the engine is hot I can not see anything coming from either the top or bottom radiator hose, so I can't find any holes in hoses which appear to be in good repair. The radiator cap fit's snugly and I can't find a leak in the recovery bottle. The only thing I don't know how to check is the water pump. But what I don't understand is where is all of the water going in a "sealed system" if I can't find it leaking out anywhere. This is making me crazy! Any suggestions on where to look would be helpful. Thanks, Steve (I can't make my damn canopy fit) Freeman Hi List sorry for the off topic question but IO don;t=20= know where else to turn.

I have a 95 Lumina mini van that is losing 100% of it's water about ever 2 w= eeks.  The problem is I can't find a leak in anything anywhere!  W= hen the car sits either hot or cold no water accumulates under the vehicle..= ..not even drops!  When the engine is hot I can not see anything coming= from either the top or bottom radiator hose, so I can't find any holes in h= oses which appear to be in good repair.  The radiator cap fit's snugly=20= and I can't find a leak in the recovery bottle.  The only thing I don't= know how to check is the water pump.

But what I don't understand is where is all of the water going in a "sealed=20= system" if I can't find it leaking out anywhere.  This is making me cra= zy!

Any suggestions on where to look would be helpful.

Thanks,

Steve (I can't make my damn canopy fit) Freeman ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:21 PM PST US From: "Bill Howerton" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Off topic engine cooling question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" Have you done a compression check to see if you have a cracked head gasket? For that matter, have you checked your oil to see if you have antifreeze in it, or you radiator fluid for oil?