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1. 06:31 AM - Re: N701US first flight (Larry McFarland)
2. 08:37 AM - 90% Complete Project 4 sale (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
3. 11:19 AM - Duplicates and Extra HTML in List Messages Solved!!! (Matt Dralle)
4. 12:44 PM - Any kits for sale? (CLOJAN@aol.com)
5. 01:33 PM - Re: 90% Complete Project 4 sale (Michel Therrien)
6. 01:45 PM - Re: 90% Complete Project 4 sale (Dave Pepper)
7. 02:32 PM - Re: N701US first flight (Johann)
8. 02:54 PM - Re: 90% Complete Project 4 sale (Larry McFarland)
9. 04:46 PM - Re: N701US first flight (Al Young)
10. 05:31 PM - Copperstate '03. (Doug Waer)
11. 06:06 PM - Re: Copperstate '03. (Dave Pepper)
12. 06:27 PM - Re: Copperstate '03. (Doug Waer)
13. 06:30 PM - Re: N701US first flight (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
14. 06:32 PM - Re: Copperstate '03. (Ray Montagne)
15. 06:35 PM - Re: N701US first flight (Jon Croke)
16. 06:37 PM - Re: Copperstate '03. (Dave Pepper)
17. 06:41 PM - Re: Copperstate '03. (Dave Pepper)
18. 06:45 PM - Re: N701US first flight (Jon Croke)
19. 06:50 PM - N701US First Flight (RURUNY@aol.com)
20. 06:51 PM - Re: Copperstate '03. (Doug Waer)
21. 06:54 PM - Re: N701US first flight (Jon Croke)
22. 07:02 PM - Re: Copperstate '03. (Ray Montagne)
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| Subject: | Re: N701US first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith-List: N701US first flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
>
> Hooray!
>
> Yesterday was the maiden voyage of N701US after about a 2 year build!
> Jon 701/912
> near Green Bay
>
> www.joncroke.com
>
Congratulations Jon,
A very proud moment for you after all your work!
Hope to see you at the fly-ins this next year.
Larry McFarland - 601hds 4 years & still in process
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| Subject: | 90% Complete Project 4 sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
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Hi List,
This decision has been very (very) difficult for me to come to, but financial
reality is forcing me to part with my project when I am very close to
completion. I am offering for sale my 601HDS Tricycle gear kit which is at a 90%
completion status. There is still plenty to do for someone who wants the taste
of building but might not want to build a complete project.
Fuselage 100% Complete
Tail Feathers 100% Complete and on air frame square with 0 twist..
Wings, 100% Complete with wing lockers.
Panel, 95% complete, wired and tested.
All control cables professionally nico pressed and installed.
Still to do: Canopy, the winglets that extend off of the back of the center
wing, Interior, Paint, Details and cleanup on electrical. (Brakes need to be
re-bled), install wings and coonect ailerons to bell crank assemblies.
Equipment List:
Standard 601HDS Kit. (construction technique on assembled parts is excellent)
Stratus EA-81 Dual Ignition, Engine with complete ZAC Firewall forward Kit,
Engine mount(ed) and tested, runs smooth and True. Includes Cowling (cut
installed and fitted) and warp drive 3 blade Prop.
Wheel pants (all 3 wheels) installed.
Avionics (FULL PANEL)
Icom Radio 2 way
Garmin GPS III with custom Mount
Bendix King Transponder
Taskem Digital Altimeter with Built in encoder for XPDR
Electric Attitude Indicator
Electric Turn Coordinator
Panel Mounted Verticle Card Compass
Vertical Speed Indicator
2 position Intercom
MAC Grips with controls for Radio, and elevator trim (pre wired for Aileron
trim, not installed yet)
Air Speed Indicator
Rocky Mountain Engine Information System installed and tested.
Fuel Gauges
All switches and fuses
All critical instruments lighted with a dimmer
2 Davis Clark Headsets
Capacitance Probes in Leading edge Wing Tanks and 8 gallon Header tank.
Dual Battery system with Emergency Back up
ELT
Wing strobes and position lights (rudder light also)
Taxi and landing light installed.
Emergency radio backup. Just plug in a handheld and have instant outside
ant, and inside electric (or back up battery)
Redundant Fuel Delivery system with 4 fuel pumps (2 from wing tanks 2 on
firewall).
Heater core installed for cabin heat as well as addional cooling for engine.
This plane could easily be completed in 2 or 3 months by someone who has the
time to do the finishing touches. It breaks my heart to sell it but my family
and fiscal responsibility must come first.
If you are interested, or know someone who is please contact me off list at
stevef@addedtouchembroidery.com Or on my cell at 602-628-7000. I can provide
additional details, photos etc.
I am asking $20K. The airframe and engine alone were more than $21,000 so
this is like getting a free ($8K,worth of stuff) Panel! Workmanship is
excellent and the airplane has been hangared 100% of the time it has been in the
building process. It is a good deal with enough left to do still make someone
very
happy with the building process.
I will not carry any paper so if you don't have the financing in place please
don't call looking for crazy deals or financing. Transportation will be
completely the buyers responsibility and discretion, however, if someone wishes
to
purchase without previewing the aircraft I will arrange for transportation on
this end (Phoenix, Arizona Deer valley Airport).
Thanks list, I hope someone is in the market.
Sadly,
Steve Freeman
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<DIV>Hi List,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This decision has been very (very) difficult for me to come to, but fin=
ancial reality is forcing me to part with my project when I am very close to=
completion. I am offering for sale my 601HDS Tricycle gear kit which=20=
is at a 90% completion status. There is still plenty to do for someone=
who wants the taste of building but might not want to build a complete proj=
ect.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Fuselage 100% Complete</DIV>
<DIV>Tail Feathers 100% Complete and on air frame square with 0 twist..</DIV=
>
<DIV>Wings, 100% Complete with wing lockers.</DIV>
<DIV>Panel, 95% complete, wired and tested.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>All control cables professionally nico pressed and installed.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Still to do: Canopy, the winglets that extend off of the back of t=
he center wing, Interior, Paint, Details and cleanup on electrical. (Br=
akes need to be re-bled), install wings and coonect ailerons to bell crank a=
ssemblies.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Equipment List:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Standard 601HDS Kit. (construction technique on assembled parts i=
s excellent)</DIV>
<DIV>Stratus EA-81 Dual Ignition, Engine with complete ZAC Firewall forward=20=
Kit, Engine mount(ed) and tested, runs smooth and True. Includes Cowling (cu=
t installed and fitted) and warp drive 3 blade Prop.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Wheel pants (all 3 wheels) installed.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Avionics (FULL PANEL)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Icom Radio 2 way</DIV>
<DIV>Garmin GPS III with custom Mount</DIV>
<DIV>Bendix King Transponder</DIV>
<DIV>Taskem Digital Altimeter with Built in encoder for XPDR</DIV>
<DIV>Electric Attitude Indicator</DIV>
<DIV>Electric Turn Coordinator</DIV>
<DIV>Panel Mounted Verticle Card Compass</DIV>
<DIV>Vertical Speed Indicator</DIV>
<DIV>2 position Intercom</DIV>
<DIV>MAC Grips with controls for Radio, and elevator trim (pre wired for Ail=
eron trim, not installed yet)</DIV>
<DIV>Air Speed Indicator</DIV>
<DIV>Rocky Mountain Engine Information System installed and tested.</DIV>
<DIV>Fuel Gauges</DIV>
<DIV>All switches and fuses</DIV>
<DIV>All critical instruments lighted with a dimmer</DIV>
<DIV>2 Davis Clark Headsets</DIV>
<DIV>Capacitance Probes in Leading edge Wing Tanks and 8 gallon Header tank.=
</DIV>
<DIV>Dual Battery system with Emergency Back up</DIV>
<DIV>ELT</DIV>
<DIV>Wing strobes and position lights (rudder light also)</DIV>
<DIV>Taxi and landing light installed.</DIV>
<DIV>Emergency radio backup. Just plug in a handheld and have instant=20=
outside ant, and inside electric (or back up battery)</DIV>
<DIV>Redundant Fuel Delivery system with 4 fuel pumps (2 from wing tanks 2 o=
n firewall).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Heater core installed for cabin heat as well as addional cooling for en=
gine.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This plane could easily be completed in 2 or 3 months by someone who ha=
s the time to do the finishing touches. It breaks my heart to sell it=20=
but my family and fiscal responsibility must come first.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you are interested, or know someone who is please contact me off lis=
t at <A titlemailto:stevef@addedtouchembroidery.com href"mailto:stevef=
@addedtouchembroidery.com">stevef@addedtouchembroidery.com</A> Or on my cell=
at 602-628-7000. I can provide additional details, photos etc. =20=
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am asking $20K. The airframe and engine alone were more than $2=
1,000 so this is like getting a free ($8K,worth of stuff) Panel! Workm=
anship is excellent and the airplane has been hangared 100% of the time it h=
as been in the building process. It is a good deal with enough left to=
do still make someone very happy with the building process. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I will not carry any paper so if you don't have the financing in place=20=
please don't call looking for crazy deals or financing. Transportation=
will be completely the buyers responsibility and discretion, however, if so=
meone wishes to purchase without previewing the aircraft I will arrange for=20=
transportation on this end (Phoenix, Arizona Deer valley Airport).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks list, I hope someone is in the market.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sadly,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Steve Freeman</DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Subject: | Duplicates and Extra HTML in List Messages Solved!!! |
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com, yak-list@matronics.com
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Well, I apologize. I discovered today why the extra HTML tags and odd
repeating of messages was occuring. About 1-2 weeks ago I was
troubleshooting a different problem and had commented out the section in
the incoming message filter that strips out MIME enclosures and other HTML
data. Duh, then I forgot to put it back! Other filters were stripping
out a good deal of the stuff, but still some stuff was getting through!
I've reinstated the MIME filter and things should be back to normal as of
about 11am pdt on Saturday. Again, my apologies!!!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Any kits for sale? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
I have a friend looking for a Zodiac 601 kit. Would prefer as little done as
possible. AT least less than 50%. Let me know if you know of any. Thanks Jack
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| Subject: | Re: 90% Complete Project 4 sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Did I read this right?
I'm very very sorry to read this. Steve, you've been
an inspiration for me and your past web site was
invaluable with all the details and information
available.
--- owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
>
>
> -------------------------------1065886595
>
> Hi List,
>
> This decision has been very (very) difficult for me
> to come to, but financial
> reality is forcing me to part with my project when I
> am very close to
> completion. I am offering for sale my 601HDS
> Tricycle gear kit which is at a 90%
> completion status. There is still plenty to do for
> someone who wants the taste
> of building but might not want to build a complete
> project.
>
=====
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: 90% Complete Project 4 sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
Steve,
Don't sell it! I think about selling my project at least every other day.
There must be another way you can keep your project.
Dave
> >
> > Hi List,
> >
> > This decision has been very (very) difficult for me
> > to come to, but financial
> > reality is forcing me to part with my project when I
> > am very close to
> > completion. I am offering for sale my 601HDS
> > Tricycle gear kit which is at a 90%
> > completion status. There is still plenty to do for
> > someone who wants the taste
> > of building but might not want to build a complete
> > project.
> >
>
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| Subject: | N701US first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Congratulations on your first flight.
I wish you all the best in your new plane. It is special to know that
both of us have made the same choice of airplanes from Kolb Firestar to
Zenith 701. And still own both planes. I look forward to hear the
comparison of the two planes. My experience is only flying the Firestar
for 110 hrs. and cant wait to feel the difference in caracteristics
between the two.
Both are supposed to have the same performance, but the Zenith is
heavier, and more spaceius. Have fun flying your new plane.
Best wishes,
Johann G.
Iceland.
Do not archive
Hooray!
Yesterday was the maiden voyage of N701US after about a 2 year build!
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| Subject: | Re: 90% Complete Project 4 sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 90% Complete Project 4 sale
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> -------------------------------1065886595
>
> Hi List,
>
> This decision has been very (very) difficult for me to come to, but
financial
> reality is forcing me to part with my project
Steve,
There's no financial reality that should force you to take the heavy hit
of an unfinished plane. Finish it and then sell it
and get the value added of a complete plane. The difference will be worth
it.
I hope the Stratus issues havn't become a fear factor for you.
You've done such good work.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland
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| Subject: | Re: N701US first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Jon- My best wishes for many great flights. Congratulations, I am
extremely jealous, but my time will come... Al Young 601xl working on the
fuselage, everything else done. Do not archive
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| Subject: | Copperstate '03. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Doug Waer <dwaer@yahoo.com>
Just got back from Copperstate. Whomever was wondering why Nick hadn't
answered his EMail....He's in Arizona. Got to talk to Nick for a few minutes
today and asked about a demo flight, but Nick wasn't offering. They brought
the 601XL and the 701 this year.
Saw a LOT of vendors offering some WAY-COOL "flat-panel"ish avionics, and stuff
using the solid-state gyros. Definitely the future of avionics, and the only
way that we're going to stop having holy wars over electric vs. vacuum gyros.
I suspect that by the time I'm ready to start purchasing gyros, solid-state
will be the way people are going. One can hope, right?
Doug Waer
601HDS
Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate '03. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
Doug,
I refuse to buy anything that needs a vacuum pump to operate. Given the
state of technology today, I think we can do better than that. There should
be long lasting and inexpensive EFIS and digital instruments in every
cockpit in the near future.
Dave
> Saw a LOT of vendors offering some WAY-COOL "flat-panel"ish avionics, and
stuff
> using the solid-state gyros. Definitely the future of avionics, and the
only
> way that we're going to stop having holy wars over electric vs. vacuum
gyros.
> I suspect that by the time I'm ready to start purchasing gyros,
solid-state
> will be the way people are going. One can hope, right?
>
> Doug Waer
> 601HDS
> Arizona
>
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate '03. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Doug Waer <dwaer@yahoo.com>
Definitely. One of the cool little boxes was a little 4" cube that was a fully
solid-state gyro driven autopilot. Takes input from your GPS, and keeps the
plane straight, level, and on-course. I told the guy what they needed to do
was take outputs from the gyros, and drive display data with them, rather than
keeping them internal. I suppose what you'll see in the future is several
boxes ALL with gyro data contained inside...kinda like how the auto industry
puts little micro-processors ALL over the car.
I'd like to see an AI or DG that isn't a gyro, but rather just a display head.
That way, we won't all be relying on graphic displays driven by some kind of
Micro$oft Windows technology.
Doug
601HDS
Arizona
--- Dave Pepper <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper"
> <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
>
> Doug,
>
> I refuse to buy anything that needs a vacuum pump to operate. Given the
> state of technology today, I think we can do better than that. There should
> be long lasting and inexpensive EFIS and digital instruments in every
> cockpit in the near future.
>
> Dave
>
> > Saw a LOT of vendors offering some WAY-COOL "flat-panel"ish avionics, and
> stuff
> > using the solid-state gyros. Definitely the future of avionics, and the
> only
> > way that we're going to stop having holy wars over electric vs. vacuum
> gyros.
> > I suspect that by the time I'm ready to start purchasing gyros,
> solid-state
> > will be the way people are going. One can hope, right?
> >
> > Doug Waer
> > 601HDS
> > Arizona
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
=====
Douglas Waer :: Boeing Helicopter Systems :: Mesa, AZ :: 85215
http://members.cox.net/dwaer/flying.html
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| Subject: | Re: N701US first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Jon Croke wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <mailto:jon@joncroke.com> <jon@joncroke.com>
Hooray!
Yesterday was the maiden voyage of N701US after about a 2 year build!
Jon 701/912
near Green Bay
www.joncroke.com
Congratulations Jon,
As I am in the middle of digging my footer for my shop and the tail section setting
in the back of my pickup, I, myself have thought about just selling and doing
something else. Your words of encouragement has sparked a fire in me again
and so I tend to keep plodding along in moving dirt (decomposed Granite and
Clay, man is it tough), but it will be worth it.
Again, congratulations!!
By the way, what is your field elevation and about how much runway do you burn
up?
Thanks
Keith
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate '03. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 10/11/03 6:05 PM, "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper"
> <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
>
> Doug,
>
> I refuse to buy anything that needs a vacuum pump to operate. Given the
> state of technology today, I think we can do better than that.
Solid state does not equate to the best technology for every situation
though. Many of the low end electric gyros will not perform in extreme
attitudes. Since recovery from an extreme or unusual attitude is one reason
for having a gyro, it would be worthwhile to examine the performance of any
unit that you might consider to see if the device is going to abandon you
when you need it most. When comparing the cost of an piezo gyro that
performs at any attitude when compared to the vacuum gyro or electric gyro,
the vacuum and electric gyros are competitive on a cost basis.
Given the cost analysis of a gyro that will provide the full service that I
expect from the instrument, I'm staying with vacuum driven systems. Glass
cockpits are pretty, no doubt, but acquiring glass instruments that meet FAA
standards simply are excessive when the price of a fully functioning
instrument exceeds the price of the basic aircraft kit.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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Build Status: Rudder completed
Elevator Completed
Stabilizer Completed
Flaps Completed
Ailerons Completed
Right Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Left Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: N701US first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Johann,
Yes, great minds think alike!
My minimal experience shows quite a difference between the two... but Ill
reserve my comments til I get a bit more experience. But in a nutshell,
the HIGH NOSE attitude of the 701 is really strange at takeoff and
landing.... but, the REAL difference sadly to say, is that we are spoiled
with the unobstructed forward view in the Kolb... a high nose in the 701
really blocks the runway in comparison. It is more like a GA. But, of
course, this is a much more substantial plane wiht lots of fuel capacity...
can now GO places!! (and take people)
When you get closer to flying it, we'll touch base again and Ill have more
comments and experience.
Keep building!
Jon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: N701US first flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
>
> Congratulations on your first flight.
> I wish you all the best in your new plane. It is special to know that
> both of us have made the same choice of airplanes from Kolb Firestar to
> Zenith 701. And still own both planes. I look forward to hear the
> comparison of the two planes. My experience is only flying the Firestar
> for 110 hrs. and cant wait to feel the difference in caracteristics
> between the two.
> Both are supposed to have the same performance, but the Zenith is
> heavier, and more spaceius. Have fun flying your new plane.
>
> Best wishes,
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> Hooray!
>
> Yesterday was the maiden voyage of N701US after about a 2 year build!
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
Actually, there is a company that makes a DG and AI driven by
accelerometers....MGL Avionics from South Africa. I purchased their EIS
system, which shows all parameters in digital and graphical form for $499!
It's much cheaper than the Grand Rapids EIS, and does a lot more.
They sell individual digital instruments, as well as complete flight
systems.
Dave
PS...I hate Microsoft. They copied everything from Apple, and they don't
make a computer system that doesn't crash at least every other day! :{)
> I'd like to see an AI or DG that isn't a gyro, but rather just a display
head.
> That way, we won't all be relying on graphic displays driven by some kind
of
> Micro$oft Windows technology.
>
> Doug
> 601HDS
> Arizona
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
My comments are directed at pilots planning on flying VFR day only, where
recovery from unusual attitudes is done on a purely visual basis. IFR is a
diferent story and IFR-certified glass cockpits are definitely too expensive
for most of us.
Dave
>
> Solid state does not equate to the best technology for every situation
> though. Many of the low end electric gyros will not perform in extreme
> attitudes. Since recovery from an extreme or unusual attitude is one
reason
> for having a gyro, it would be worthwhile to examine the performance of
any
> unit that you might consider to see if the device is going to abandon you
> when you need it most. When comparing the cost of an piezo gyro that
> performs at any attitude when compared to the vacuum gyro or electric
gyro,
> the vacuum and electric gyros are competitive on a cost basis.
>
> Given the cost analysis of a gyro that will provide the full service that
I
> expect from the instrument, I'm staying with vacuum driven systems. Glass
> cockpits are pretty, no doubt, but acquiring glass instruments that meet
FAA
> standards simply are excessive when the price of a fully functioning
> instrument exceeds the price of the basic aircraft kit.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N701US first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Keith,
Thanks for your comments!
I am at about 600' here in Wisconsin. I have a 1000' runway and it has been
windy last few days so I have managed only about a dozen takeoffs... but I
would say that I am using a little over half -- so lets say about 600-700'
max... and Im sure when I learn how to do things right it would be shorter.
This BTW, is off of grass.. I think the specs ZAC uses is off of pavement,
which would be shorter.
I would recommend that the next assemly to build would be the fuselage for
psychological reasons... you can sit in and enjoy the fuselage... if you
build the wings first you can only hang them on the wall !! This will keep
the momentum going this way!
Speaking of throwing in the towel, it is incredible about that Steve
Freedman (I think) that is abandoning his 601 project after 90% complete!!
Now that is depressing. Maybe he'll have a vhange of heart, but Im sure
there are circumstances we dont know about!
Keep building.. look forward to flying with you someday!
Jon
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES"
<Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
> As I am in the middle of digging my footer for my shop and the tail
section setting in the back of my pickup, I, myself have thought about just
selling and doing something else. Your words of encouragement has sparked a
fire in me again and so I tend to keep plodding along in moving dirt
(decomposed Granite and Clay, man is it tough), but it will be worth it.
>
> Again, congratulations!!
>
> By the way, what is your field elevation and about how much runway do you
burn up?
>
> Thanks
>
> Keith
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | N701US First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Jon,
Awesome!!!!
Thanks for the great story. Have fun getting to know your plane!
Brian
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate '03. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Doug Waer <dwaer@yahoo.com>
Agreed. I don't intend on flying my Zenith in IFR. Not a chance. Night is
definitely a possibility, though.
Doug
601HDS
Arizona
--- Dave Pepper <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper"
> <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
>
> My comments are directed at pilots planning on flying VFR day only, where
> recovery from unusual attitudes is done on a purely visual basis. IFR is a
> diferent story and IFR-certified glass cockpits are definitely too expensive
> for most of us.
>
> Dave
>
>
> >
> > Solid state does not equate to the best technology for every situation
> > though. Many of the low end electric gyros will not perform in extreme
> > attitudes. Since recovery from an extreme or unusual attitude is one
> reason
> > for having a gyro, it would be worthwhile to examine the performance of
> any
> > unit that you might consider to see if the device is going to abandon you
> > when you need it most. When comparing the cost of an piezo gyro that
> > performs at any attitude when compared to the vacuum gyro or electric
> gyro,
> > the vacuum and electric gyros are competitive on a cost basis.
> >
> > Given the cost analysis of a gyro that will provide the full service that
> I
> > expect from the instrument, I'm staying with vacuum driven systems. Glass
> > cockpits are pretty, no doubt, but acquiring glass instruments that meet
> FAA
> > standards simply are excessive when the price of a fully functioning
> > instrument exceeds the price of the basic aircraft kit.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
=====
Douglas Waer :: Boeing Helicopter Systems :: Mesa, AZ :: 85215
http://members.cox.net/dwaer/flying.html
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Oops!
My apologies, I meant to send that to Keith directly.
Sorry.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N701US first flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
>
> Keith,
>
> Thanks for your comments!
>
> I am at about 600' here in Wisconsin. I have a 1000' runway and it has
been
>
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate '03. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 10/11/03 6:41 PM, "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper"
> <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
>
> My comments are directed at pilots planning on flying VFR day only, where
> recovery from unusual attitudes is done on a purely visual basis.
For VFR day, a gyro probably isn't needed at all. Certainly any of these
devices would be satisfactory for that requirement but probably an
unnecessary expenditure. VFR night is another story though...
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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