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1. 03:34 AM - Re: Re: CH640 (Benford2@aol.com)
2. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: CH640 (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
3. 10:18 AM - Re: MGL DG (Dave Pepper)
4. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: CH640 (caspainhower@aep.com)
5. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: CH640 (Gary Gower)
6. 12:12 PM - William Wynne's Corvair-CH601 XL page (Daniel Vandenberg)
7. 12:24 PM - Re: Sealing Wing Lockers- 601XL (Gig)
8. 12:26 PM - Re: William Wynne's Corvair-CH601 XL page (Daniel Vandenberg)
9. 01:53 PM - MGL DG (LARRY BOHANNON)
10. 02:11 PM - Re: Re: Sealing Wing Lockers- 601XL (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
11. 02:53 PM - Re: Problems with Rotax 912 (Brenton Battles)
12. 05:14 PM - MGL AI info (CLOJAN@aol.com)
13. 08:39 PM - Re: Problems with Rotax 912 (Roger Roy)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 10/13/2003 4:30:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
bernieandalison@dccnet.com writes:
>
> Thank you for all of the replies so far.
>
> We had looked at the CH 801 and like to STOL characteristics but think it
> would be a bit slow for touring.
>
SLOW ????? Now you have hurt all of us 801 builders feelings.....
Jus kiddin.
Ben Haas N801BH
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Remember that there is a long history of Zenith planes not making their
published cruise speed numbers by a good margin. I don't know anything about
the 640 but in the past the claims have been exagerated.
I too was tempted by the 640 (4 seats) but it still does not look fast
enough on paper for what I'm looking for and IF the speed claim is
exagerated this would leave me frustrated.
If four seats are what you need though then there arnt many alternatives.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernie and
Alison Garrett
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: CH640
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bernie and Alison Garrett"
--> <bernieandalison@dccnet.com>
Thank you for all of the replies so far.
We had looked at the CH 801 and like to STOL characteristics but think it
would be a bit slow for touring. We thinking of buying the CH 604 kit in
stages to save our initial outlay (tail and fuselage first followed by wings
to finish). I wondered if this were a sensible order for building?
Regards
Bernie Garrett
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1. 04:45 AM - Re: N701US first flight (Johann)
2. 09:52 AM - No Subject (Schallgren@aol.com)
3. 03:13 PM - Problems with Rotax 912 (Thilo Kind)
4. 03:56 PM - CH640 (Bernie and Alison Garrett)
5. 04:39 PM - Re: Problems with Rotax 912 (Leo J. Corbalis)
6. 05:38 PM - Re: CH640 (Larry McFarland)
7. 06:09 PM - Re: CH640 (Jeff Paden)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 04:45:09 AM PST US
From: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: N701US first flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Thank you Jon,
Cant wait until then. Have been working almost every day for the past few
months. Really seeing some progress now. Almost ready for the engine. Total
hours: 895 (lots of work in priming and painting)
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
Do not archive.
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Time: 09:52:52 AM PST US
From: Schallgren@aol.com
Subject: Zenith-List: No Subject
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Schallgren@aol.com
List:
Norm writes: "I recently saw Dave Rice's Titan with the 2200 and I was very
impressed at the smoothness of the engine but this scares me to death,
having to rebuild at 300 hours."
Norm: The question you should ask is whether the Jabiru engine that is
having
problems has CHT's and EGT's on all the cylinders. If they do not, the
possibility of overheating on individual cylinders is always there. My
feeling
is that the Jabiru engines are clearly superior to the heavier American iron
but; because they are aluminium, they do need careful monitoring. Careful
monitoring requires the continuous access to all CHT's and making
adjustments to
ensure all cylinders are approximately equal in temp.
We changed spark plugs yesterday that had been in operation for 100 hours.
The plugs for the #4 cylinder which was running within limits but higher
than others was readily discernible. We made one more tweak to the airflow
for
cylinders 2, 4 and 6 as a result.
Stan
601 HDS/Jabiru 3300/146 hours
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 03:13:16 PM PST US
From: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Problems with Rotax 912
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi folks,
have some problems with my Rotax 912. During the last flight the engine
started to run very rough and lost some power. I was able to land save. Did
a thorough check of the engine, but couldn't find anything. When I did a
test run, the engine choughed very briefly during the magneto check.
However, when repeating the magneto check this did not occur anymore. Today,
I did another runup. The engine lost RPM when I switched off the left
magneto. I could not reproduce this effect. Anybody with an idea or a
similar experience? My best bet right now is that one of the wires from the
starter key switch is damaged.
Thanks
Thilo Kind
________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 03:56:26 PM PST US
From: "Bernie and Alison Garrett" <bernieandalison@dccnet.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH640
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bernie and Alison Garrett"
<bernieandalison@dccnet.com>
Hi,
I am new to the list and have been looking for a 4 seat metal kit for some
time now. We have just moved to Vancouver (Canada) from the United Kingdom
where the building of 4 seat kits is very much more restricted. The CH640
looks a good design, but I must admit I haven't looked into the insurance
costs yet! Most of my time so far has been spent in low wing designs, mainly
the Socata TB10 and some in the new Diamond Star DA40.
I also wondered what the grass field performance would be like for this
aircraft, how many are being built and what Zenith in Canada are like to
deal with. So far Mathieu seems very helpful. I must admit I would also like
to change the yokes to a Cessna/Piper style as they look a little narrow and
possibly change the Instrument Panel, but I guess those things are pretty
straightforward compared to building the rest of the kit!
Anyhow, our objective is to build a 4 seat aeroplane suitable for touring
for myself, my wife and our two daughters (currently 7 and 9) had any
feedback is welcome! We are keen to send off for the empennage and fuselage
kits, but I guess we need to look at all the options before committing
ourselves to a major expenditure.
Regards
Dr Bernie Garrett
Vancouver,
________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
Time: 04:39:05 PM PST US
From: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Problems with Rotax 912
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis"
<leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
Rough running could be caused by bad ground lugs on the 2 ignition modules.
A bad ignition switch wire will let the engine keep running when you
shutdown. You have to cut off the gas to stop the engine. This was the
subject of an advisory from Rotax a long time ago. The ignition coil ground
lugs are another spot for trouble.
Leo Corbalis
________________________________ Message 6
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Time: 05:38:16 PM PST US
From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH640
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernie and Alison Garrett" <bernieandalison@dccnet.com>
> Hi,
>
> I am new to the list and have been looking for a 4 seat metal kit for
> some time now. > I also wondered what the grass field performance
> would be like for this aircraft,
Dr Bernie Garrett
> Vancouver,
>
> Bernie,
I'd really advise you consider the 801, tho it be a high wing, its
performance in and out of short spaces and grass will really surprise you.
With the Canadian tree density and terrain, the 801 might serve you better
in the long run. Get a flight demo in the 801 before you make up your mind.
Larry McFarland - 601hds
________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
Time: 06:09:44 PM PST US
From: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH640
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
>>Anyhow, our objective is to build a 4 seat aeroplane suitable for touring
>>for myself, my wife and our two daughters (currently 7 and 9) had any
>>feedback is welcome! We are keen to send off for the empennage and
fuselage
>>kits, but I guess we need to look at all the options before committing
>>ourselves to a major expenditure.
I am building the CH-640, if you would like you can visit my builders page
at:
http://www.madbbs.com~jpaden
I should have mine in the air this spring and I fly a CH-300 now. We love
our ch-300 but need a larger aircraft since my children are now 11 and 13
and getting to big for us all to fit in the CH-300.
Jeff Paden
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dave Pepper <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
Brandon,
I think MGL's DG/AI is still under development, and will be available soon. Their
site is located at
http://www.mglavionics.co.za If you look under "smart singles", you can read about the DG and AI systems.
Regards...Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: MGL DG
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Dave,
I have been following MGL's EIS for a couple of
years and have heard nothing about a DG. Do you have
a link to wherever you found out about it? Their EIS
systems definitely pack a punch for the dollar, and I
am curious about the DG.
Thanks,
Brandon
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10/14/2003 01:20:58 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
Having finished the tail kit and most of the left wing, I am partial to the
Zenith designs and using pulled rivets. However, if the idea of bucking
rivets doesn't bother you there is another option for a 4-seater in the
RV-10. The other advantages of the 640 include being based on a certified
airplane (the CH-2000) and being manufactured in Canada (closer for you).
If I needed the extra 2 seats I would probably be building a 640, but I am
opting for the economy of the 601 XL.
Craig S.
601 XL
Remember that there is a long history of Zenith planes not making their
published cruise speed numbers by a good margin. I don't know anything
about
the 640 but in the past the claims have been exagerated.
I too was tempted by the 640 (4 seats) but it still does not look fast
enough on paper for what I'm looking for and IF the speed claim is
exagerated this would leave me frustrated.
If four seats are what you need though then there arnt many alternatives.
Frank
--> <bernieandalison@dccnet.com>
Thank you for all of the replies so far.
We had looked at the CH 801 and like to STOL characteristics but think it
would be a bit slow for touring. We thinking of buying the CH 604 kit in
stages to save our initial outlay (tail and fuselage first followed by
wings
to finish). I wondered if this were a sensible order for building?
Regards
Bernie Garrett
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
This depends in where are the builder planning to go, if your flying
area is real flat and only harvested land, then at slow speeds (80 -
100 mph) will be a boring flight, even at speeds faster...
BUT the idea is to plan every flight as if they were vacations,
looking for interestings places is part of traveling (Dams, rivers,
lakes with resort and vacation areas, woods...) doesent matter if
your flight path looks like a big zig-zag.
If you want to go straight and fast to one place once a year, is
cheaper to buy airline tickets.
For our area and type of flying we normally make here in our Club the
701 is perfect...
Is faster than ultralights, has a enclosed cabin and can land in almost
any place, also is slow enough so we can enjoy the view, there is a
group of 80 mph planes (GT 500, Coyote, Sky Ranger, etc.) that will be
OK for the 701.
Even land in the areas where the slower Ultralights ( Koala, QS MXII,
Trikes, Challenger, etc,) will make their flights.
The 601 XL will be used for longer flights, There is another group of
faster planes (Kitfox, Tecnam, Stintson) That will make a group with
the XL...
We enjoy building and flying... No hurry to get "there" faster, just
in time to eat and have a beer before sunset :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- Benford2@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10/13/2003 4:30:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
> bernieandalison@dccnet.com writes:
>
>
> >
> > Thank you for all of the replies so far.
> >
> > We had looked at the CH 801 and like to STOL characteristics but
> think it
> > would be a bit slow for touring.
> >
>
> SLOW ????? Now you have hurt all of us 801 builders feelings.....
>
> Jus kiddin.
> Ben Haas N801BH
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | William Wynne's Corvair-CH601 XL page |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg <djvdb63@yahoo.com>
Hello...
I am just about to begin a Zodiac XL project here in Chicago. I noticed that William
Wynne has just added to his site a page documenting his XL-Corvair demonstrator
project progress. I find this VERY interesting and many of you will
as well:
http://www.flycorvair.com/601.html
Dan Vandenberg
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| Subject: | Re: Sealing Wing Lockers- 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
I posted a message a week or so ago on how to seal off wing lockers.
Thanks to the input I came up with a rubber hinge cover made from a
truck inner tube. I think it will work.
On of the other ideas was use .016 aluminum and build a hinge much as
the ailerons are done. I think this may be really the best way to go and
I may do the left wing that way.
If you'd like to see the results go to www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Thanks all...
Gig
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne's Corvair-CH601 XL page |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg <djvdb63@yahoo.com>
It looks like Zenith has added a similar page to their web-site too:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/corvair.html
Dan
Daniel Vandenberg <djvdb63@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg
Hello...
I am just about to begin a Zodiac XL project here in Chicago. I noticed that William
Wynne has just added to his site a page documenting his XL-Corvair demonstrator
project progress. I find this VERY interesting and many of you will as
well:
http://www.flycorvair.com/601.html
Dan Vandenberg
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Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:53:04 -0400
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LARRY BOHANNON" <lbohannon1@msn.com>
You can go to this web site and it will have all the info on the MGL avionics.They
have a just released Artifical Horizon and 3 new models of Compass's. Seems
you have to buy the Mag 3 compass to work with the AH.
I'm probably going to get their Stratomaster E2 for engine monitoring and the Smart
Singles for flight instruments when I get closer to finishing my 701.
http://www.lightflying.com.au/index.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Sealing Wing Lockers- 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
A nice photo record.
The only issue is that the Aeroflash) strobe power supplies need the large
capacitor changed with alrming reguarity (cost is about $10 for each one
from an electical wholesaler) so burying them in the wingtips may not be the
best plan unless you got someway to access them easily.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sealing Wing Lockers- 601XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
I posted a message a week or so ago on how to seal off wing lockers.
Thanks to the input I came up with a rubber hinge cover made from a
truck inner tube. I think it will work.
On of the other ideas was use .016 aluminum and build a hinge much as
the ailerons are done. I think this may be really the best way to go and
I may do the left wing that way.
If you'd like to see the results go to www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Thanks all...
Gig
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Problems with Rotax 912 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brenton Battles <brentbattles@charter.net>
Hi Thilo,
I had what appeared to be a failure of one of the two ingition modules
which was ultimately cured without replacement of any parts. To make a
long story short: After a preflight mag check in which the engine quit
with one side grounded, I tried successively exchanging all components
by switching wire leads between A & B circuits (ignition modules,
stator coils, ignition coils, and trigger coils) - problem followed the
ignition module. Had module tested at Lockwood while using a
replacement ignition unit - they found no problem with my origiinal
unit, and the problem persisted with the replacement unit. Ultimately
I reversed the physical position of the two original ignition modules
(mounted one on top of the other) and problem went away. That was
about 340 hours ago as best I recall without looking it up, and there
hasn't been a hint of trouble since. My conclusion: one or more
ignition system wire connections were apparently not quite secure, as
there is no logical reason why simply repositioning of the ingition
modules could have anything to do with the problem.
Agree the problem can't be with the ignition switch leads and an
ignition module failure is apparently rare if not unheard-of.
Suggest you remove, thoroughly clean, and firmly reinstall ALL ignition
connectors and give it a try.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Brent Battles
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> have some problems with my Rotax 912. During the last flight the
> engine started
> to run very rough and lost some power. I was able to land save. Did a
> thorough
> check of the engine, but couldn't find anything. When I did a test
> run, the
> engine choughed very briefly during the magneto check. However, when
> repeating
> the magneto check this did not occur anymore. Today, I did another
> runup. The
> engine lost RPM when I switched off the left magneto. I could not
> reproduce this
> effect. Anybody with an idea or a similar experience? My best bet
> right now
> is that one of the wires from the starter key switch is damaged.
>
> Thanks
>
> Thilo Kind
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:56:26 PM PST US
> From: "Bernie and Alison Garrett" <bernieandalison@dccnet.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: CH640
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bernie and Alison Garrett"
> <bernieandalison@dccnet.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am new to the list and have been looking for a 4 seat metal kit for
> some
> time now. We have just moved to Vancouver (Canada) from the United
> Kingdom
> where the building of 4 seat kits is very much more restricted. The
> CH640
> looks a good design, but I must admit I haven't looked into the
> insurance
> costs yet! Most of my time so far has been spent in low wing designs,
> mainly
> the Socata TB10 and some in the new Diamond Star DA40.
>
> I also wondered what the grass field performance would be like for this
> aircraft, how many are being built and what Zenith in Canada are like
> to
> deal with. So far Mathieu seems very helpful. I must admit I would
> also like
> to change the yokes to a Cessna/Piper style as they look a little
> narrow and
> possibly change the Instrument Panel, but I guess those things are
> pretty
> straightforward compared to building the rest of the kit!
>
> Anyhow, our objective is to build a 4 seat aeroplane suitable for
> touring
> for myself, my wife and our two daughters (currently 7 and 9) had any
> feedback is welcome! We are keen to send off for the empennage and
> fuselage
> kits, but I guess we need to look at all the options before committing
> ourselves to a major expenditure.
>
> Regards
>
> Dr Bernie Garrett
> Vancouver,
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:39:05 PM PST US
> From: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Problems with Rotax 912
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis"
> <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Rough running could be caused by bad ground lugs on the 2 ignition
> modules.
> A bad ignition switch wire will let the engine keep running when you
> shutdown. You have to cut off the gas to stop the engine. This was the
> subject of an advisory from Rotax a long time ago. The ignition coil
> ground
> lugs are another spot for trouble.
>
> Leo Corbalis
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:38:16 PM PST US
> From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH640
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bernie and Alison Garrett" <bernieandalison@dccnet.com>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am new to the list and have been looking for a 4 seat metal kit for
>> some
>> time now. >
>> I also wondered what the grass field performance would be like for
>> this
>> aircraft,
>
> Dr Bernie Garrett
>> Vancouver,
>>
>> Bernie,
> I'd really advise you consider the 801, tho it be a high wing, its
> performance
> in and out of short spaces and grass will really surprise you. With
> the
> Canadian
> tree density and terrain, the 801 might serve you better in the long
> run.
> Get a flight demo in the 801 before you make up your mind.
> Larry McFarland - 601hds
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:09:44 PM PST US
> From: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH640
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
>
>>> Anyhow, our objective is to build a 4 seat aeroplane suitable for
>>> touring
>>> for myself, my wife and our two daughters (currently 7 and 9) had any
>>> feedback is welcome! We are keen to send off for the empennage and
> fuselage
>>> kits, but I guess we need to look at all the options before
>>> committing
>>> ourselves to a major expenditure.
>
> I am building the CH-640, if you would like you can visit my builders
> page
> at:
> http://www.madbbs.com~jpaden
>
> I should have mine in the air this spring and I fly a CH-300 now.
> We love our ch-300 but need a larger aircraft since my children are
> now 11 and 13 and getting to big for us all to fit in the CH-300.
>
> Jeff Paden
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: CLOJAN@aol.com
FYI group: The following is the response to info I requested on the MLG AI
and DG.
Hi Jack,
Thanks for the note.
I recently sent out this newsletter... The AI-1 is still a few months off,
but the MAG-1 is available soon. If you would like up to date information,
please subscribe to our site - you can unsubscribe at any time...
Thanks!
Matt
Flyers,
In the next couple of weeks the new Stratomaster MAG-1 digital compass will
be available from SportFlyingShop.com.
It is not only a magnetic compass, but also a True heading indicator (you can
program the magnetic Variation into it for a True reading). Also, it can
provide steering information (by way of arrows) for a given heading. This can also
be reversed (to return home).
It has several display options that include a vertical compass card display
and scrolling heading tape. It has a deviation correction system.
The sensor package is separate from the display to allow good fitment
regardless of panel angle. The sensor is a 2-axis type and relies on level
positioning of the sensor... There will be more expensive compasses (MAG-2 and
MAG-3)
that will have more axes for accurate reading in pitch and bank, but the MAG-1
is extremely accurate in most flight regimes.
The manual is now available for download at:
<A HREF="http://www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Stratomaster/SmartSingles/mag1.pdf">http://www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Stratomaster/SmartSingles/mag1.pdf
Price looks to be around $250, but this is still not final. We will send out
another e-mail when the instrument is in stock and available for order, so if
you would like one, please wait to hear from us.
Best regards,
Matt
SportFlyingShop.com
Tel: 310-251-7560
<A HREF="http://www.sportflyingshop.com/">www.SportFlyingShop.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Roy" <Savannah174@msn.com>
Hi Brent,
Hey guy, that was a great post. I have just installed a 912S on my 701 and that
type of info is always regarded as highly useful, again thanks.
Roger J. Roy
CH-701
----- Original Message -----
From: Brenton Battles
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Problems with Rotax 912
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brenton Battles <brentbattles@charter.net>
Hi Thilo,
I had what appeared to be a failure of one of the two ingition modules
which was ultimately cured without replacement of any parts. To make a
long story short: After a preflight mag check in which the engine quit
with one side grounded, I tried successively exchanging all components
by switching wire leads between A & B circuits (ignition modules,
stator coils, ignition coils, and trigger coils) - problem followed the
ignition module. Had module tested at Lockwood while using a
replacement ignition unit - they found no problem with my origiinal
unit, and the problem persisted with the replacement unit. Ultimately
I reversed the physical position of the two original ignition modules
(mounted one on top of the other) and problem went away. That was
about 340 hours ago as best I recall without looking it up, and there
hasn't been a hint of trouble since. My conclusion: one or more
ignition system wire connections were apparently not quite secure, as
there is no logical reason why simply repositioning of the ingition
modules could have anything to do with the problem.
Agree the problem can't be with the ignition switch leads and an
ignition module failure is apparently rare if not unheard-of.
Suggest you remove, thoroughly clean, and firmly reinstall ALL ignition
connectors and give it a try.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Brent Battles
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> have some problems with my Rotax 912. During the last flight the
> engine started
> to run very rough and lost some power. I was able to land save. Did a
> thorough
> check of the engine, but couldn't find anything. When I did a test
> run, the
> engine choughed very briefly during the magneto check. However, when
> repeating
> the magneto check this did not occur anymore. Today, I did another
> runup. The
> engine lost RPM when I switched off the left magneto. I could not
> reproduce this
> effect. Anybody with an idea or a similar experience? My best bet
> right now
> is that one of the wires from the starter key switch is damaged.
>
> Thanks
>
> Thilo Kind
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:56:26 PM PST US
> From: "Bernie and Alison Garrett" <bernieandalison@dccnet.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: CH640
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bernie and Alison Garrett"
> <bernieandalison@dccnet.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am new to the list and have been looking for a 4 seat metal kit for
> some
> time now. We have just moved to Vancouver (Canada) from the United
> Kingdom
> where the building of 4 seat kits is very much more restricted. The
> CH640
> looks a good design, but I must admit I haven't looked into the
> insurance
> costs yet! Most of my time so far has been spent in low wing designs,
> mainly
> the Socata TB10 and some in the new Diamond Star DA40.
>
> I also wondered what the grass field performance would be like for this
> aircraft, how many are being built and what Zenith in Canada are like
> to
> deal with. So far Mathieu seems very helpful. I must admit I would
> also like
> to change the yokes to a Cessna/Piper style as they look a little
> narrow and
> possibly change the Instrument Panel, but I guess those things are
> pretty
> straightforward compared to building the rest of the kit!
>
> Anyhow, our objective is to build a 4 seat aeroplane suitable for
> touring
> for myself, my wife and our two daughters (currently 7 and 9) had any
> feedback is welcome! We are keen to send off for the empennage and
> fuselage
> kits, but I guess we need to look at all the options before committing
> ourselves to a major expenditure.
>
> Regards
>
> Dr Bernie Garrett
> Vancouver,
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:39:05 PM PST US
> From: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Problems with Rotax 912
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis"
> <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Rough running could be caused by bad ground lugs on the 2 ignition
> modules.
> A bad ignition switch wire will let the engine keep running when you
> shutdown. You have to cut off the gas to stop the engine. This was the
> subject of an advisory from Rotax a long time ago. The ignition coil
> ground
> lugs are another spot for trouble.
>
> Leo Corbalis
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:38:16 PM PST US
> From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH640
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bernie and Alison Garrett" <bernieandalison@dccnet.com>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am new to the list and have been looking for a 4 seat metal kit for
>> some
>> time now. >
>> I also wondered what the grass field performance would be like for
>> this
>> aircraft,
>
> Dr Bernie Garrett
>> Vancouver,
>>
>> Bernie,
> I'd really advise you consider the 801, tho it be a high wing, its
> performance
> in and out of short spaces and grass will really surprise you. With
> the
> Canadian
> tree density and terrain, the 801 might serve you better in the long
> run.
> Get a flight demo in the 801 before you make up your mind.
> Larry McFarland - 601hds
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:09:44 PM PST US
> From: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH640
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
>
>>> Anyhow, our objective is to build a 4 seat aeroplane suitable for
>>> touring
>>> for myself, my wife and our two daughters (currently 7 and 9) had any
>>> feedback is welcome! We are keen to send off for the empennage and
> fuselage
>>> kits, but I guess we need to look at all the options before
>>> committing
>>> ourselves to a major expenditure.
>
> I am building the CH-640, if you would like you can visit my builders
> page
> at:
> http://www.madbbs.com~jpaden
>
> I should have mine in the air this spring and I fly a CH-300 now.
> We love our ch-300 but need a larger aircraft since my children are
> now 11 and 13 and getting to big for us all to fit in the CH-300.
>
> Jeff Paden
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report
>
>
> >
>
>
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