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1. 01:08 AM - Re: Composite gear (Chip W. Erwin)
2. 05:39 AM - Hole Flanging Tool? (Kafka, Jeff)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: Hole Flanging Tool? (Carlos Sa)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: Hole Flanging Tool? (Monty Graves)
5. 06:46 AM - Re: Hole Flanging Tool? (Scott Laughlin)
6. 07:47 AM - Ribs. (Dr.Tsabari Shahar)
7. 08:11 AM - Re: Composite gear (caspainhower@aep.com)
8. 09:40 AM - Re: Hole Flanging Tool? (Monty Graves)
9. 10:10 AM - Re: Hole Flanging Tool? (Carlos Sa)
10. 10:59 AM - Re: Hole Flanging Tool? (Rick Pitcher)
11. 03:29 PM - prop starting pitch (Ronnie Koonce)
12. 08:03 PM - rear wing attachment 701 (Robert Hillebrand)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chip W. Erwin" <aircraft@czaw.cz>
We offer this gear with our 601XL quick-build or ready-to-fly aircraft. It
is about 20 lbs lighter. Some photos on our web site.
Regards,
CHIP
Chip W. Erwin
CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS, S.R.O.
Manufacturer of Sport Aircraft & Aircraft Floats
Lucn=ED 1824, 686 02 Star=E9 Mesto, Czech Republic
Tel: +420 572 543 456 Fax: +420 572 543 692
USA Fax: (772) 264 0936
Mobile Tel: (420) 602 342 717
E-mail: aircraft@czaw.cz www.airplane.cz
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Chip,
Do you sell the previously mentioned composite
gear? Any more information for others on the list?
IE... Weight, cost, modification specifics, pictures,
ect...
Respectfully,
Brandon
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| Subject: | Hole Flanging Tool? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kafka, Jeff" <JKafka@trojanuv.com>
List:
I am seeking guidance on the topic of making the flanges for the many lightening
holes in the 601XL.
I prefer to avoid the cost and difficulty of having someone machine a flanging
die like the one on Scott Laughlins page, and wondered if anyone can comment (good
or bad) on their experience with the hole flanging tool available from Aircraft
Spruce or any other inexpensive alternative to the dies. The tool appears
to be a pair of bearings on a stick.
I would also appreciate a brief description on the technique for using the flanging
tool, i.e. does it come with instructions or is it totally obvious once you
have it in hand?
Jeff Kafka
601XL Plans: Tail, Flaps and Ailerons ready for inspection.
Working on parts for Wings.
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| Subject: | Re: Hole Flanging Tool? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hi, Jeff
I bought the ASS tool, but it is *not* worth the money.
The little wheels are actually those you buy at the hardware store, for the shower
doors. The
outside is made of nylon. Very wobbly, don't last long.
I used the handle and attached a couple of real bearings, as seen on this site
(Chris
Boultinghouse's):
http://members.tripod.com/zodiacbuilder/ribforming.htm
Requires a bit of practice, though. Results are acceptable, but it is hard to get
the same quality
as with flanging dies. Cheap enough and easy to make to see if that's what you
want.
Carlos
CH601-HD (tail done, assembling wing skeletons)
> I am seeking guidance on the topic of making the flanges for the many lightening
holes in the
> 601XL.
>
> I prefer to avoid the cost and difficulty of having someone machine a flanging
die like the one
> on Scott Laughlins page, and wondered if anyone can comment (good or bad) on
their experience
> with the hole flanging tool available from Aircraft Spruce or any other inexpensive
alternative
> to the dies. The tool appears to be a pair of bearings on a stick.
>
> I would also appreciate a brief description on the technique for using the flanging
tool, i.e.
> does it come with instructions or is it totally obvious once you have it in hand?
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| Subject: | Re: Hole Flanging Tool? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Why don't you try this first before you order the one from A&S.
The BearHawk people, use what they call a "BobStick"
It is a simple piece of maple or other hard wood dowel., with a slit cut
in the end. Slip the dowel slit on the ligtening hole. Bend down about
25% of the disired flange. Slowly work around the hole. about 3-4 times.
With a little practice you can make a very nice flange, Its easy to do,
practice on 3-4 holes, and you will be very satisfied with the results.
Same priniciple as bending over rib lips, secret is to make 3-4 passes.
I emailed you a picture of the stick and a rib done with it. Its pretty
self explainitory.
Make a good stick and there isn't any reason to make dies. Works on alum
up to .050 Try it you will like the results.
Monty
At 08:30 AM 10/17/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kafka, Jeff" <JKafka@trojanuv.com>
>
>List:
>
>I am seeking guidance on the topic of making the flanges for the many
lightening holes in the 601XL.
>
>I prefer to avoid the cost and difficulty of having someone machine a
flanging die like the one on Scott Laughlins page, and wondered if anyone
can comment (good or bad) on their experience with the hole flanging tool
available from Aircraft Spruce or any other inexpensive alternative to the
dies. The tool appears to be a pair of bearings on a stick.
>
>I would also appreciate a brief description on the technique for using the
flanging tool, i.e. does it come with instructions or is it totally obvious
once you have it in hand?
>
>
>Jeff Kafka
>601XL Plans: Tail, Flaps and Ailerons ready for inspection.
> Working on parts for Wings.
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| Subject: | Re: Hole Flanging Tool? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Jeff:
I found this page several months ago and found it interesting:
http://members.tripod.com/zodiacbuilder/ribforming.htm
Chris Boultinghouse has since abandoned his Zodiac project and is working on
a Sonex. He's using flanging dies for his Sonex however. His new project
is at:
http://sonex260.wheelsup.org/
I'm not sure how the "stick with bearings" works, but the dies make quick
work of flanging a hole. I plan on using the "stick" for the 65mm holes in
Ribs 8 and 9 since I don't want to have dies made just for four holes.
Good luck,
Scott Laughlin
Z601XL/Corvair
www.cooknwithgas.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Kafka, Jeff" <JKafka@trojanuv.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Hole Flanging Tool?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kafka, Jeff" <JKafka@trojanuv.com>
List:
I am seeking guidance on the topic of making the flanges for the many
lightening holes in the 601XL.
I prefer to avoid the cost and difficulty of having someone machine a
flanging die like the one on Scott Laughlins page, and wondered if anyone
can comment (good or bad) on their experience with the hole flanging tool
available from Aircraft Spruce or any other inexpensive alternative to the
dies. The tool appears to be a pair of bearings on a stick.
I would also appreciate a brief description on the technique for using the
flanging tool, i.e. does it come with instructions or is it totally obvious
once you have it in hand?
Jeff Kafka
601XL Plans: Tail, Flaps and Ailerons ready for inspection.
Working on parts for Wings.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr.Tsabari Shahar" <volucer@tin.it>
Hi,
I know a lot of you there have a lot of experience.
I finished to make all forming blocks for the o/B and i/B wings of the HDS (19:39
hours).
I have a doubt about the perfection of the forming blocks as the coordinates on
the drawing are of a very low resolution, Does any body can clarify this point
for me? there are any high resolution coordinates for the ribs?
I need urgent inputs regarding this problem as I considering buying already made
ribs instead of forming them by my self risking to have unperfected wings.
Best Regards,
Shahar Tsabari
Italy
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10/17/2003 11:11:22 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>We offer this gear with our 601XL quick-build or ready-to-fly aircraft. It
is about 20 lbs lighter. Some photos on our web site.
Regards,
CHIP
Chip W. Erwin
CZECH AIRCRAFT WORKS, S.R.O.
Manufacturer of Sport Aircraft & Aircraft Floats
Lucn=ED 1824, 686 02 Star=E9 Mesto, Czech Republic
Tel: +420 572 543 456 Fax: +420 572 543 692
USA Fax: (772) 264 0936
Mobile Tel: (420) 602 342 717
E-mail: aircraft@czaw.cz www.airplane.cz
Chip,
I visited your site but did not see the gear offered separately, is
it available to those of us purchasing kits from Zenith or scratch
building.
Thanks,
Craig S.
601 XL tail done, left wing close!
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| Subject: | Re: Hole Flanging Tool? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Sonex makes a set of extruded plastic dies that they sell relatively cheap,
Like $50 for both holes or something like that. but I have lost the link
or it has changed. I am not sure what size holes they use either. It
would be nice if Zenith did this to for plans builders too.
maybe someone else has the link
I can't get to Chris' link below so forgive me it the sonex dies are
covered on his web page
Monty
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
>Jeff:
>
>I found this page several months ago and found it interesting:
>
>http://members.tripod.com/zodiacbuilder/ribforming.htm
>
>Chris Boultinghouse has since abandoned his Zodiac project and is working on
>a Sonex. He's using flanging dies for his Sonex however. His new project
>is at:
>
>http://sonex260.wheelsup.org/
>
>I'm not sure how the "stick with bearings" works, but the dies make quick
>work of flanging a hole. I plan on using the "stick" for the 65mm holes in
>Ribs 8 and 9 since I don't want to have dies made just for four holes.
>
>Good luck,
>
>Scott Laughlin
>Z601XL/Corvair
>www.cooknwithgas.com
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Kafka, Jeff" <JKafka@trojanuv.com>
>To: "Matronics List (E-mail)" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Hole Flanging Tool?
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:30:56 -0400
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kafka, Jeff" <JKafka@trojanuv.com>
>
>List:
>
>I am seeking guidance on the topic of making the flanges for the many
>lightening holes in the 601XL.
>
>I prefer to avoid the cost and difficulty of having someone machine a
>flanging die like the one on Scott Laughlins page, and wondered if anyone
>can comment (good or bad) on their experience with the hole flanging tool
>available from Aircraft Spruce or any other inexpensive alternative to the
>dies. The tool appears to be a pair of bearings on a stick.
>
>I would also appreciate a brief description on the technique for using the
>flanging tool, i.e. does it come with instructions or is it totally obvious
>once you have it in hand?
>
>
>Jeff Kafka
>601XL Plans: Tail, Flaps and Ailerons ready for inspection.
> Working on parts for Wings.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hole Flanging Tool? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
A while back, I asked Chris about the Sonex dies.
They can be seen in his Sonex's site (construction log, wings): http://sonex260.wheelsup.org/
I don't remember the dimensions, but I know they aren't the same as Zenith's lightening
holes.
Chris' Zenith page has been accessed frequently in the past few hours, that's why
we can't get to
it. It will come back later.
Carlos
> Sonex makes a set of extruded plastic dies that they sell relatively cheap,
> Like $50 for both holes or something like that. but I have lost the link
> or it has changed. I am not sure what size holes they use either. It
> would be nice if Zenith did this to for plans builders too.
>
> maybe someone else has the link
>
> I can't get to Chris' link below so forgive me it the sonex dies are
> covered on his web page
>
> Monty
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| Subject: | Re: Hole Flanging Tool? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Kafka, Jeff wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kafka, Jeff" <JKafka@trojanuv.com>
>
> List:
>
> I am seeking guidance on the topic of making the flanges for the many lightening
holes in the 601XL.
>
> I prefer to avoid the cost and difficulty of having someone machine a flanging
die like the one on Scott Laughlins page, and wondered if anyone can comment
(good or bad) on their experience with the hole flanging tool available from
Aircraft Spruce or any other inexpensive alternative to the dies. The tool appears
to be a pair of bearings on a stick.
>
> I would also appreciate a brief description on the technique for using the flanging
tool, i.e. does it come with instructions or is it totally obvious once
you have it in hand?
>
>
> Jeff Kafka
> 601XL Plans: Tail, Flaps and Ailerons ready for inspection.
> Working on parts for Wings.
I did all of my ribs and bulkheads with a set of flanging dies made from
scraps of 3/4 inch plywood and a 45 degree router bit. Only took an hour
or two to make the whole set of dies... and I work slow ;)
Rick P.
Rick P.
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| Subject: | prop starting pitch |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ronnie Koonce" <rlk@granderiver.net>
701, 912 ULS, 3 blade warp drive prop. What initial prop pitch setting
should I use? Thanks.
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| Subject: | rear wing attachment 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Hillebrand <masterbogun@yahoo.com>
I have just finished fitting my wings but have not drilled the rear attachment
holes. Don't know how to get in there to drill. Can you cut away material on the
wing so that you can drill those holes?
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