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1. 12:56 AM - cortec 374 primer (Eric Tauch)
2. 02:09 AM - Re: cortec 374 primer (caspainhower@aep.com)
3. 07:02 AM - Re: cortec 374 primer (Robert Eli)
4. 07:56 AM - Re: Crash 701- another one (Rick Morawski)
5. 08:22 AM - Re: Zenith~Throttle springs (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
6. 10:18 AM - Re: Crash 701- another one (CHUCK KELLY)
7. 11:23 AM - 701 - Rear Fuse Access Panel (Tony & Peggy Pierce)
8. 11:28 AM - Re: cortec 374 primer (H. Robert Schoenberger)
9. 11:55 AM - [ Gary Gower ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
10. 11:57 AM - Re: Crash 701- another one (Bob Reinero)
11. 01:37 PM - 701 help (Flydog1966@aol.com)
12. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: Crash 701 "going off topic?" ()
13. 02:35 PM - Carburetor Lever Springs (lehmansmtl@netzero.com)
14. 03:38 PM - Re: Crash 701- another one (Bob Reinero)
15. 03:38 PM - Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? (Ed Kramer)
16. 03:38 PM - Re: cortec 374 primer (H. Robert Schoenberger)
17. 03:38 PM - 701 - Rear Fuse Access Panel (Tony & Peggy Pierce)
18. 03:38 PM - [ Gary Gower ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
19. 03:38 PM - Re: 601XL (Larry McFarland)
20. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Crash 701 "going off topic?" ()
21. 03:38 PM - Re: 601XL (lnk@cis.net)
22. 03:38 PM - Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? (Monty Graves)
23. 03:38 PM - Mounting engine ()
24. 03:38 PM - Question about the Savannah and the 701?? (Jo and Larry)
25. 03:38 PM - 701 help (Flydog1966@aol.com)
26. 03:38 PM - Re: Crash 701- another one (CHUCK KELLY)
27. 03:38 PM - Carburetor Lever Springs (lehmansmtl@netzero.com)
28. 08:58 PM - Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? (Hal Rozema)
29. 09:16 PM - Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? (CHUCK KELLY)
30. 10:47 PM - Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? (Dirk Slabbert)
31. 10:50 PM - Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? (caspainhower@aep.com)
32. 11:07 PM - Re: My 601XL Homepage (caspainhower@aep.com)
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| Subject: | cortec 374 primer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Tauch" <erictauch@comcast.net>
Hi,
I am trying to purchase some of the Cortec 374 primer. I have searched the web,
unsuccessfully.
I also sent an email to ZAC to see if they now carry it. From the archives, it
appears it is available
only in 5 gal containers from Cortec. I would even opt for 5 gal if not for the
shelf life of 12 months
(from the data sheet).
Does anyone know of a smaller quantity source for this?
Thanks,
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: cortec 374 primer |
10/25/2003 05:09:14 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>I also sent an email to ZAC to see if they now carry it. From the
archives, it appears it is available
>only in 5 gal containers from Cortec.
ZAC does carry the Cortec by the quart. Currently the only other sources
that could be found carry only 5 gal or larger containers. I started at
the workshop in February with the cortec and have purchased a couple of
quarts since.
Craig S.
601 XL
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| Subject: | cortec 374 primer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Eli" <robert.eli@adelphia.net>
I am just starting a CH701 project and have been also trying to find Cortec
374 primer. It is not clear to me whether the primer supplied by ZAC is the
373 wash primer or the single coat 374 primer? Also, is it clear or colored
(green or yellow)?
Bob Eli
CH701
302 Meadow View Lane
Morgantown, WV 26508
Home phone: (304)-594-2170
Cell Phone: (304)-276-3313
Work Phone: (304)-293-3031 ext. 2640
Email: robert.eli@adelphia.net
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caspainhower@aep.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cortec 374 primer
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
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| Subject: | Re: Crash 701- another one |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Morawski" <morawski@highway1.com.au>
Jon, so sorry to hear about your accident, I too have suffered at the hands
of the old sod who is always waiting.
On 1st of Sept me and my beautiful 701 (with dedalius wings) made very hard
contact with the dirt and am still coming to grips with it. I got off with a
broken ankle, cracked ribs and a head like a smashed crab.
Reading your story has encouraged me to write this. I also feel extremely
embarrassed and feel I have let down the whole ultralight fraternity.I am
still off work almost 2 months now and bash my head against the wall daily.
Why? I hope some of you can shed some light on this,
After 56 hours of great fun flying in my new 701 I decided to try a really
short takeoff, ie full flap (30 deg) and stick back. I had taken off with
full flap before but not stick back. The thing took off in about 3 to 4
meters but when airborne made like a teabag. (ie very tail down) I am used
to the nose high attitude of the 701 at takeoff but this was not right, I
had no aileron or elevator response, I was afraid to close the throttle or
raise the flaps for fear of landing on my arse and instead went into a
descent to the left from about 70 ft. Lucky to be alive and like you Jon I
am looking at what bits I can use again for the rebuild.
My questions to the forum are-
Did the tail stall? or
Was the tail masked by full flap? (If so is that why ZAC reduced flap to 15
deg) or
Did I just fuck up and take off too slow?
Your criticisms and raspberries will be appreciated.
Rick Morawski
morawski@highway1.com.au
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith~Throttle springs |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
It would be frightening if all the
aircraft at Oshkosh
employed a full open spring throttle at startup and taxiing, etc. I doubt
that commercial
aircraft standards would tolerate such a design for certification.
Surely we have a licensed Powerplant mechanic on the list that will verify
that all certified aircraft do have springs for full power in case of linkage
breakage~~Anyone want to step up, if no answer will verify in the next couple
days.
Elbie, Old CFI
EM aviation www.riteangle.com
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| Subject: | Re: Crash 701- another one |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "CHUCK KELLY" <heavy707@comcast.net>
Sounds like the wing stalled out of ground effect. After breaking ground you
need to reduce the angle of attack a little to compensate for leaving ground
effect.
Hope you get it back together and thanks for sharing your experience.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Morawski" <morawski@highway1.com.au>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Crash 701- another one
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Morawski"
<morawski@highway1.com.au>
>
> Jon, so sorry to hear about your accident, I too have suffered at the
hands
> of the old sod who is always waiting.
> On 1st of Sept me and my beautiful 701 (with dedalius wings) made very
hard
> contact with the dirt and am still coming to grips with it. I got off with
a
> broken ankle, cracked ribs and a head like a smashed crab.
> Reading your story has encouraged me to write this. I also feel extremely
> embarrassed and feel I have let down the whole ultralight fraternity.I am
> still off work almost 2 months now and bash my head against the wall
daily.
> Why? I hope some of you can shed some light on this,
> After 56 hours of great fun flying in my new 701 I decided to try a really
> short takeoff, ie full flap (30 deg) and stick back. I had taken off with
> full flap before but not stick back. The thing took off in about 3 to 4
> meters but when airborne made like a teabag. (ie very tail down) I am used
> to the nose high attitude of the 701 at takeoff but this was not right, I
> had no aileron or elevator response, I was afraid to close the throttle or
> raise the flaps for fear of landing on my arse and instead went into a
> descent to the left from about 70 ft. Lucky to be alive and like you Jon I
> am looking at what bits I can use again for the rebuild.
> My questions to the forum are-
> Did the tail stall? or
> Was the tail masked by full flap? (If so is that why ZAC reduced flap to
15
> deg) or
> Did I just fuck up and take off too slow?
> Your criticisms and raspberries will be appreciated.
>
> Rick Morawski
> morawski@highway1.com.au
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 - Rear Fuse Access Panel |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" <piercetonypeggy@mail.usa.com>
I am curious about whether 12 screws is really enough to hold the bottom access
cover and prevent considerable air leakage.
Thanks,
Tony Pierce
701TJ
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| Subject: | Re: cortec 374 primer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" <HRS4@prodigy.net>
Bob . . . the quart of Cortec which I purchased from Zenith Aircraft is 373
clear. I think this is the only thing they sell. I had a half pint sample
from Cortec themselves and tried to have it tinted an olive green, like the
ZnChr. The results were only mildly successful. I'm sticking with the
clear. Hap Schoenberger 701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Eli" <robert.eli@adelphia.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: cortec 374 primer
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Eli" <robert.eli@adelphia.net>
>
> I am just starting a CH701 project and have been also trying to find
Cortec
> 374 primer. It is not clear to me whether the primer supplied by ZAC is
the
> 373 wash primer or the single coat 374 primer? Also, is it clear or
colored
> (green or yellow)?
>
> Bob Eli
> CH701
>
> 302 Meadow View Lane
> Morgantown, WV 26508
> Home phone: (304)-594-2170
>
> Cell Phone: (304)-276-3313
> Work Phone: (304)-293-3031 ext. 2640
>
> Email: robert.eli@adelphia.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> caspainhower@aep.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cortec 374 primer
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>
>
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| Subject: | [ Gary Gower ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Crash 701- another one |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Reinero" <reineros@pacbell.net>
Rick
You flew out of "GROUND EFFECT". There is a cushion of air trapped under
the wing for a distance above the ground roughly 1/3 the wing span of your
aircraft.. Ever notice the float on landing were the air plane flies on and
on after the flair to land? You tried to fly out of ground effect without
sufficient air speed to maintain the required lift and thus stalled. The
reason for the decent to the left may have peen the high angle of attack and
the "P" factor produced by descending blade of the prop having a higher
angle of attack to the relative airflow than the ascending blade. That is
the reason for right rudder when applying take off power or high power
setting in a climb. Ever read about P51"s doing a snap roll into the
ground when applying full throttle after a aborted landing approach when low
and slow?
High performance aircraft as well as CUBS all are subject to basic
aerodynamic. All Pilots should study the publications in sue for many years
published by the FAA . I think the best is The Private Pilot Handbook. It
is cheep and a easy read. Look for it on the web at the Government Printing
Office, Commercial versions are available at a greater cost, but not any
better at explaining the basics.
I lost a great friend and three other people in the same scenario: Did not
calculate the field length based on weight and density altitude. The
airport Brunswick Georgia is at sea level but it was a hot humid day and he
had a full load of fuel and three grownups. He hit the trees 1/4 mile from
the end of a 3,500 ft. long paved runway, never being able to climb above
20ft. above the surface.
Pleas take time to look into all the factors involved on the day your
accident took place, weight, temp,condition of the surface of the runway,
power setting, pitch attitude and you may be surprised how much runway you
really needed to get off safely.
There is another subject you may want to understand "Balanced Field Length".
It simply the distance needed to accelerate to liftoff speed, abort and
still be able to land on the runway left in front of you, used by all jets.
All factors weight, temp, and runways are considered.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Morawski" <morawski@highway1.com.au>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Crash 701- another one
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Morawski"
<morawski@highway1.com.au>
>
> Jon, so sorry to hear about your accident, I too have suffered at the
hands
> of the old sod who is always waiting.
> On 1st of Sept me and my beautiful 701 (with dedalius wings) made very
hard
> contact with the dirt and am still coming to grips with it. I got off with
a
> broken ankle, cracked ribs and a head like a smashed crab.
> Reading your story has encouraged me to write this. I also feel extremely
> embarrassed and feel I have let down the whole ultralight fraternity.I am
> still off work almost 2 months now and bash my head against the wall
daily.
> Why? I hope some of you can shed some light on this,
> After 56 hours of great fun flying in my new 701 I decided to try a really
> short takeoff, ie full flap (30 deg) and stick back. I had taken off with
> full flap before but not stick back. The thing took off in about 3 to 4
> meters but when airborne made like a teabag. (ie very tail down) I am used
> to the nose high attitude of the 701 at takeoff but this was not right, I
> had no aileron or elevator response, I was afraid to close the throttle or
> raise the flaps for fear of landing on my arse and instead went into a
> descent to the left from about 70 ft. Lucky to be alive and like you Jon I
> am looking at what bits I can use again for the rebuild.
> My questions to the forum are-
> Did the tail stall? or
> Was the tail masked by full flap? (If so is that why ZAC reduced flap to
15
> deg) or
> Did I just fuck up and take off too slow?
> Your criticisms and raspberries will be appreciated.
>
> Rick Morawski
> morawski@highway1.com.au
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
I'm getting close to joining the cabin/fwd fuse, to the rear fuse. On the
Zenith
Online photo assy guide "fuselage cabin frame" Section 10. Page 1 of 14.
they show a Wing Pick-up Template, and mention to see dwg 7F-15 for details on
how to measure the wing( and hopefully how to make the template?).
Well, my dwgs
have no such info. Could anyone scan, and e-mail it to me?
Thanks
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Crash 701 "going off topic?" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> I personaly dont think the cables will fail in the life of the engine
> (1000+hrs),
FWIW, I had the throttle cable break in Super cub last year. I was very thankful
that the throttle went full open. I was able to land on a crop duster field
using the mixture control to adjust rpm.
Jerry Latimer
601HDS
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| Subject: | Carburetor Lever Springs |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: lehmansmtl@netzero.com
A look at the Illustrated Parts List for the carbs used on Lycoming and Continental
engines shows that most models have a throttle opening spring. I have no
concern about the failure rate of these springs but, both the throttle cable
and spring can be an annual inspection check item.
Unfortunately, these same carburetors do not have mixture full rich springs and
control cable failure has caused crashes. Many certified aircraft and homebuilts
have had appropriate springs added.
Mike
Only $14.95/ month -visit www.netzero.com to sign up today!
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| Subject: | Re: Crash 701- another one |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Reinero" <reineros@pacbell.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Reinero" <reineros@pacbell.net>
Rick
You flew out of "GROUND EFFECT". There is a cushion of air trapped under
the wing for a distance above the ground roughly 1/3 the wing span of your
aircraft.. Ever notice the float on landing were the air plane flies on and
on after the flair to land? You tried to fly out of ground effect without
sufficient air speed to maintain the required lift and thus stalled. The
reason for the decent to the left may have peen the high angle of attack and
the "P" factor produced by descending blade of the prop having a higher
angle of attack to the relative airflow than the ascending blade. That is
the reason for right rudder when applying take off power or high power
setting in a climb. Ever read about P51"s doing a snap roll into the
ground when applying full throttle after a aborted landing approach when low
and slow?
High performance aircraft as well as CUBS all are subject to basic
aerodynamic. All Pilots should study the publications in sue for many years
published by the FAA . I think the best is The Private Pilot Handbook. It
is cheep and a easy read. Look for it on the web at the Government Printing
Office, Commercial versions are available at a greater cost, but not any
better at explaining the basics.
I lost a great friend and three other people in the same scenario: Did not
calculate the field length based on weight and density altitude. The
airport Brunswick Georgia is at sea level but it was a hot humid day and he
had a full load of fuel and three grownups. He hit the trees 1/4 mile from
the end of a 3,500 ft. long paved runway, never being able to climb above
20ft. above the surface.
Pleas take time to look into all the factors involved on the day your
accident took place, weight, temp,condition of the surface of the runway,
power setting, pitch attitude and you may be surprised how much runway you
really needed to get off safely.
There is another subject you may want to understand "Balanced Field Length".
It simply the distance needed to accelerate to liftoff speed, abort and
still be able to land on the runway left in front of you, used by all jets.
All factors weight, temp, and runways are considered.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Morawski" <morawski@highway1.com.au>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Crash 701- another one
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Morawski"
<morawski@highway1.com.au>
>
> Jon, so sorry to hear about your accident, I too have suffered at the
hands
> of the old sod who is always waiting.
> On 1st of Sept me and my beautiful 701 (with dedalius wings) made very
hard
> contact with the dirt and am still coming to grips with it. I got off with
a
> broken ankle, cracked ribs and a head like a smashed crab.
> Reading your story has encouraged me to write this. I also feel extremely
> embarrassed and feel I have let down the whole ultralight fraternity.I am
> still off work almost 2 months now and bash my head against the wall
daily.
> Why? I hope some of you can shed some light on this,
> After 56 hours of great fun flying in my new 701 I decided to try a really
> short takeoff, ie full flap (30 deg) and stick back. I had taken off with
> full flap before but not stick back. The thing took off in about 3 to 4
> meters but when airborne made like a teabag. (ie very tail down) I am used
> to the nose high attitude of the 701 at takeoff but this was not right, I
> had no aileron or elevator response, I was afraid to close the throttle or
> raise the flaps for fear of landing on my arse and instead went into a
> descent to the left from about 70 ft. Lucky to be alive and like you Jon I
> am looking at what bits I can use again for the rebuild.
> My questions to the forum are-
> Did the tail stall? or
> Was the tail masked by full flap? (If so is that why ZAC reduced flap to
15
> deg) or
> Did I just fuck up and take off too slow?
> Your criticisms and raspberries will be appreciated.
>
> Rick Morawski
> morawski@highway1.com.au
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
>
> Hello Group,
> I am waiting on SP building time in a single seat ultralight. My (so far )
> first choice is the 701. I ran across this web page http://sky-rider.net/
> from an ad in a ultralight magazine. This plane seems to be similar to a
701
> with a few more option, RTF, almost RFT and a little cheaper. Has anyone
in
> the list who is flying or building the 701 looked at the Savannah? What
made
> you go with the 701 over it?
Jo & Larry,
I never considered the Savannah because Zenith has a great design,
reputation & support.
Ed Kramer
West Seneca, NY
CH 701
edair701@adelphia.net
Build Status:
Rudder completed
Left wing complete
Right wing 98%
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| Subject: | Re: cortec 374 primer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" <HRS4@prodigy.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "H. Robert Schoenberger" <HRS4@prodigy.net>
Bob . . . the quart of Cortec which I purchased from Zenith Aircraft is 373
clear. I think this is the only thing they sell. I had a half pint sample
from Cortec themselves and tried to have it tinted an olive green, like the
ZnChr. The results were only mildly successful. I'm sticking with the
clear. Hap Schoenberger 701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Eli" <robert.eli@adelphia.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: cortec 374 primer
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Eli" <robert.eli@adelphia.net>
>
> I am just starting a CH701 project and have been also trying to find
Cortec
> 374 primer. It is not clear to me whether the primer supplied by ZAC is
the
> 373 wash primer or the single coat 374 primer? Also, is it clear or
colored
> (green or yellow)?
>
> Bob Eli
> CH701
>
> 302 Meadow View Lane
> Morgantown, WV 26508
> Home phone: (304)-594-2170
>
> Cell Phone: (304)-276-3313
> Work Phone: (304)-293-3031 ext. 2640
>
> Email: robert.eli@adelphia.net
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>
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> caspainhower@aep.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: cortec 374 primer
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I am curious about whether 12 screws is really enough to hold the bottom access
cover and prevent considerable air leakage.
Thanks,
Tony Pierce
701TJ
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A new Email List Photo Share is available:
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o Main Photo Share Index
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lnk@cis.net" <lnk@cis.net>
> I was wondering if I might trouble you to get a "tour" of your project and
> facilities some time this fall or winter? The pictures on your web site
> are great but being in the presence of the tools and workshop bring a
> perspective and clarity that just are not possible with pictures.
>
>
I replied to your email address, but if that missed you, please feel free
to call and visit my project anytime.
Larry McFarland
East Moline
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Crash 701 "going off topic?" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
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>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> I personaly dont think the cables will fail in the life of the engine
> (1000+hrs),
FWIW, I had the throttle cable break in Super cub last year. I was very thankful
that the throttle went full open. I was able to land on a crop duster field
using the mixture control to adjust rpm.
Jerry Latimer
601HDS
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lnk@cis.net" <lnk@cis.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lnk@cis.net" <lnk@cis.net>
Thanks for all the replies. Some of them build my confidence while some
flush the stars from my eyes. Just what I need before I go visit the candy
store.
I wanted to take the opportunity to respond to Larry McFarland as we are,
by internet standards, next door neighbors. My name is also Larry and I
live just up river in Bellevue, IA and work in Savanna, IL. When I first
saw your name in this list I thought I recognized it and when I followed
your link I realized the proximity. I'm not sure yet why your name seemed
so familiar, whether we both belonged to the QC Computer Society (along
with Cy Galley) or perhaps I saw your name associated with the EAA. At any
rate, I was very pleased to know there is a scratch built 601 so close to
me. I was also very interested in your plans for the sheet metal brake.
The only reason I haven't ordered them yet is that I wanted to do the
workshop so I would have a better feel for how much, if any, of the project
I wanted to do from plans. My reasoning was that it would save me money
and the fuselage didn't look that difficult. But your point about forms
and fixtures is duly noted.
I was wondering if I might trouble you to get a "tour" of your project and
facilities some time this fall or winter? The pictures on your web site
are great but being in the presence of the tools and workshop bring a
perspective and clarity that just are not possible with pictures.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Larry McFarland larrymc@qconline.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
> Also, anyone do a mixture of scratch build and kit build? What portions
of
> the kit sub-groups would most lend themselves to scratch building with
> limited "quality tooling"?
Dirks questions as applies to the 601 are much the same, but the drawings
may be
farther along in quality than the 701. Mix and match the scratch build
process to
suit yourself. The tool requirements are simple for the most part. Kit
builders do end up making scratch repeats of more than a few kit parts gone
bad. I purchased the wheels, canopy, rivets and hand riveter from Zenith to
obtain the dies for pulling rivets, but to everything else less instruments,
and hardware, but I preferred scratch. Kits go faster and I don't think
that there are any great financial rewards in scratch because of the huge
investment in making forms and odd tooling. None of it has to be
terrifically expensive, but access to a large brake is helpful. I'd say kits
go twice as fast as scratch, but if you don't like building enough to do
scratch, even the kit will test the best of your original intent more than
once. There are a lot of unfinished parts and kits hanging out there.
Larry McFarland - 601hds (4 years) @ www.macsmachine.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
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>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
<dslabbert@worldonline.co.za>
>'Havent seen a Savanah list yet?, or am I missing it?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/savannahaircraft/
For more information:
http://www.savannahaircraft.com
Post message:
savannahaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subscribe:
savannahaircraft-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe:
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jbirgiolas@smiletoronto.com>
My rotax 912s is sitting on the engine mount and prior to drilling attachments
I would like some feedback. The engine is sitting with a deviaton to the right
of about two degrees. This is about right according to the plans, however where
the plans state that the prop hub should be on the centerline of the aircraft,
the hub center is one inch to the right. This seems to imply that the entire
engine is sitting about one inch to the right. Should I be concerned? The
engine mount was supplied by zenair. The engine is sitting dead center on the
mount.
John Birgiolas
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| Subject: | Question about the Savannah and the 701?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
Hello Group,
I am waiting on SP building time in a single seat ultralight. My (so far )
first choice is the 701. I ran across this web page http://sky-rider.net/
from an ad in a ultralight magazine. This plane seems to be similar to a 701
with a few more option, RTF, almost RFT and a little cheaper. Has anyone in
the list who is flying or building the 701 looked at the Savannah? What made
you go with the 701 over it?
Thank you for the 'flame free' and informative group. I keep all the old
digests and I am sure they will come in handy one day.
Larry
Science and Religion are not at odds.
Science is simply to young to understand.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
I'm getting close to joining the cabin/fwd fuse, to the rear fuse. On the
Zenith
Online photo assy guide "fuselage cabin frame" Section 10. Page 1 of 14.
they show a Wing Pick-up Template, and mention to see dwg 7F-15 for details on
how to measure the wing( and hopefully how to make the template?).
Well, my dwgs
have no such info. Could anyone scan, and e-mail it to me?
Thanks
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Crash 701- another one |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "CHUCK KELLY" <heavy707@comcast.net>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "CHUCK KELLY" <heavy707@comcast.net>
Sounds like the wing stalled out of ground effect. After breaking ground you
need to reduce the angle of attack a little to compensate for leaving ground
effect.
Hope you get it back together and thanks for sharing your experience.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Morawski" <morawski@highway1.com.au>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Crash 701- another one
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Morawski"
<morawski@highway1.com.au>
>
> Jon, so sorry to hear about your accident, I too have suffered at the
hands
> of the old sod who is always waiting.
> On 1st of Sept me and my beautiful 701 (with dedalius wings) made very
hard
> contact with the dirt and am still coming to grips with it. I got off with
a
> broken ankle, cracked ribs and a head like a smashed crab.
> Reading your story has encouraged me to write this. I also feel extremely
> embarrassed and feel I have let down the whole ultralight fraternity.I am
> still off work almost 2 months now and bash my head against the wall
daily.
> Why? I hope some of you can shed some light on this,
> After 56 hours of great fun flying in my new 701 I decided to try a really
> short takeoff, ie full flap (30 deg) and stick back. I had taken off with
> full flap before but not stick back. The thing took off in about 3 to 4
> meters but when airborne made like a teabag. (ie very tail down) I am used
> to the nose high attitude of the 701 at takeoff but this was not right, I
> had no aileron or elevator response, I was afraid to close the throttle or
> raise the flaps for fear of landing on my arse and instead went into a
> descent to the left from about 70 ft. Lucky to be alive and like you Jon I
> am looking at what bits I can use again for the rebuild.
> My questions to the forum are-
> Did the tail stall? or
> Was the tail masked by full flap? (If so is that why ZAC reduced flap to
15
> deg) or
> Did I just fuck up and take off too slow?
> Your criticisms and raspberries will be appreciated.
>
> Rick Morawski
> morawski@highway1.com.au
>
>
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| Subject: | Carburetor Lever Springs |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: lehmansmtl@netzero.com
--> Zenith-List message posted by: lehmansmtl@netzero.com
A look at the Illustrated Parts List for the carbs used on Lycoming and Continental
engines shows that most models have a throttle opening spring. I have no
concern about the failure rate of these springs but, both the throttle cable
and spring can be an annual inspection check item.
Unfortunately, these same carburetors do not have mixture full rich springs and
control cable failure has caused crashes. Many certified aircraft and homebuilts
have had appropriate springs added.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Similar is a odd term. Rip off of Chris Heintz' design is more precise. An
improvement? I'd have to be shown. More complex and expensive? Probably (check
out total cost with similar equipment including tooling and supplies to final
certification or flight worthy status. You'll see). Better support and supply?
I
doubt it. I feel the same way when someone rips off one of my architectural
designs and duplicates it without recognition or compensation. If you really
want to shop, there are some two dozen copies of Zenith 701s being built in
about 10 countries around the world. Check this out,
<http://ZENITHAIR.com/stolch701/7-photo-copies.html> maybe you can find a real
bargain and loose your investment and maybe your life. The 701 kit has been
around since the mid 1980s with serial numbers now in the 5000s. Mine is 4817
delivered in Jan. 2001. I'm prejudist, obviously. With good reason in my
opinion.
Good luck. Inquiries accepted off list. hal@theplanefolks.net
VSTOL CH701 (Jab3300)
N701PF installing engine next 625 hours construction time
theplanefolks.net
Hal Rozema, Phoenix AZ
Jo and Larry wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
>
> Hello Group,
> I am waiting on SP building time in a single seat ultralight. My (so far )
> first choice is the 701. I ran across this web page http://sky-rider.net/
> from an ad in a ultralight magazine. This plane seems to be similar to a 701
> with a few more option, RTF, almost RFT and a little cheaper. Has anyone in
> the list who is flying or building the 701 looked at the Savannah? What made
> you go with the 701 over it?
>
> Thank you for the 'flame free' and informative group. I keep all the old
> digests and I am sure they will come in handy one day.
>
> Larry
> Science and Religion are not at odds.
> Science is simply to young to understand.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "CHUCK KELLY" <heavy707@comcast.net>
Check it out these were taken a couple of days ago.
Chuck Hi-Max
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Question about the Savannah and the 701??
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
> >
> > Hello Group,
> > I am waiting on SP building time in a single seat ultralight. My (so
far )
> > first choice is the 701. I ran across this web page
http://sky-rider.net/
> > from an ad in a ultralight magazine. This plane seems to be similar to a
> 701
> > with a few more option, RTF, almost RFT and a little cheaper. Has
anyone
> in
> > the list who is flying or building the 701 looked at the Savannah? What
> made
> > you go with the 701 over it?
>
> Jo & Larry,
> I never considered the Savannah because Zenith has a great design,
> reputation & support.
>
> Ed Kramer
> West Seneca, NY
> CH 701
> edair701@adelphia.net
> Build Status:
> Rudder completed
> Left wing complete
> Right wing 98%
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dslabbert@worldonline.co.za>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dslabbert@worldonline.co.za>
Larry,
The 701 was copied all over the world, I'm sure you know?
I had a look at them all, just for comparison, but when it comes to parting with
your hard earned cash, well I think one needs to look at more than just price?
Building your own airplane is a major undertaking, one needs have some peace of
mind regarding the supplier, and the quality of the kit, thats the least you
can do.
Noboby wants to wind up with a tin contraption that has a lot of shortcomings,
and may not fly all that well, I can think of far better ways to waste time and
money!
Best way I think is to look at how many kits were sold, finished by the owners,
how many are flying? will give you a good indication of how successfull the kit
really are.
You need to deal with a reputable supplier too, who has parts on hand, no use waiting
ages for some little piece, before you can proceed?
Quite handy to ask other builders too, keeps you from making the same mistakes,
cheaper is seldom better.
That's why I love this list, cause I can ask other peoples opinion, then make an
informed decicion, regarding something that may take some 1000 hrs out of my
life!
'Havent seen a Savanah list yet?, or am I missing it?
Nope, dont think price is all that matters, I'll take a hard look at quality an
parts availability yes.
Even if it means carting wheelbarrow loads of stupid notes, to convert to US$
he hee hee
My 2 (Africa) cents worth ..........
Dirk.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jo and Larry
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:24 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Question about the Savannah and the 701??
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
Hello Group,
I am waiting on SP building time in a single seat ultralight. My (so far )
first choice is the 701. I ran across this web page http://sky-rider.net/
from an ad in a ultralight magazine. This plane seems to be similar to a 701
with a few more option, RTF, almost RFT and a little cheaper. Has anyone in
the list who is flying or building the 701 looked at the Savannah? What made
you go with the 701 over it?
Thank you for the 'flame free' and informative group. I keep all the old
digests and I am sure they will come in handy one day.
Larry
Science and Religion are not at odds.
Science is simply to young to understand.
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| Subject: | Re: Question about the Savannah and the 701?? |
10/26/2003 12:50:11 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
The Savannah post was from last month, it appears the matronics list
somehow re-released it (the date appears below the posters name). It is
worth anyones time that is curious about these clones to read what is
posted on the Zenith site concerning them tho'. I will have the same
confidence in my 601 XL when it's done that I currently have in my Skyhawk.
Craig S.
601 XL
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| Subject: | Re: My 601XL Homepage |
10/26/2003 01:07:09 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
Gig,
I am installing my wing locker now and wondered about the rubber
gasket you fabricated, could you provide any additional details. I am
right behind you, but on the left wing, so your site is an inspiration and
a great resource. You have an excellent picture log.
Craig S.
601 XL tail, flaps and ailerons done, left wing almost ready to close!
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