---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/30/03: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:46 AM - CH-640 builders (Jeff Paden) 2. 04:55 AM - Re: zodiac 601 aileron deflection (Grant Corriveau) 3. 06:42 AM - Re: 601 and engines (dan john) 4. 11:43 AM - Re: 601 and engines (Daniel Vandenberg) 5. 05:31 PM - Re: CH-640 builders (David Witt) 6. 05:57 PM - Re: 601 and engines (Brett Ray) 7. 06:12 PM - Re: 601 and engines (dan john) 8. 06:44 PM - 601 XL: Brake Line Routing (Phil Maxson) 9. 07:51 PM - Re: CH640 Builders (Bernie and Alison Garrett) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:35 AM PST US From: "Jeff Paden" Subject: Zenith-List: CH-640 builders --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" I don't see anyone posting information here about building the CH-640. Am I the only one on the list building the CH-640? Well, my fuselage kit arrived Monday and I have just finished checking in all the parts today. Zenith didn't do too bad... I have almost all the parts Heck, I even have a few parts that are not on the pick list I try to keep my web site updated as I am building so feel free to visit it at http://www.madbbs.com/~jpaden All comments and/or suggestions are always welcome! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: zodiac 601 aileron deflection From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau If you bulid it right, there's nothing much to worry about with any part of the 601. If you 'strengthen' it, you run the risk of concentrating loads into parts that were never meant to take them. Whatever mods you'd like, STRONGLY suggest you clear it with Chris Heinz first (didn't catch your address, but in Canada this is a mandatory requirement for any structural mods) You mention the tail - in the archives you should find some info about a Canadian UL version in Calgary that was over-stressed in a spiral dive recovery.. speed well above envolope... fwiw -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 > From: "Bob Miller" > Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:28:45 -0500 > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: zodiac 601 aileron deflection > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" > > > Hi, > Two questions: > > 1] Does anybody know if piano hinges would give you greater aileron > deflection, and therefore better roll rate, on the Zodiac? > > 2] I know the Zodiac wings are stressed for + and - 6gs, but people seem to > have questions about how much stress the tail section could actually > withstand. I'd like to do loops and rolls in my 601HD, which normally > wouldn't overstress the aircraft if properly performed. Assuming I might > sometime blow one of these maneuvers, though, does anybody have any > suggestions as to how to beef up the tail feathers and the connection between > the tail section and the fuselage? My airframe is mostly finished, but it's > not too late for some strengthening mods. > > Thanks, > Bob Miller ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:24 AM PST US From: dan john Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 and engines --> Zenith-List message posted by: dan john Dan,you mention William Wynne`s`s rep for being a straight shooter.I attended his forum at Oshkosh in 2oo2 and afterwords told him of a low RPM problem I was having with the Corvair I installed in my Grega GN-1 Aircamper.After Oshkosh was over he drove here (300 miles) to see if he could help out.I had`nt even used his conversion manual.I used Berne Pietenpol`s.William even gave me a set of the proper points to use,the kind with a nut and bolt to hold the wires on rather than a push on terminal.Yea,I`d say he is a straight shooter. John P. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:35 AM PST US From: Daniel Vandenberg Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 and engines --> Zenith-List message posted by: Daniel Vandenberg John... Wow!....that is an impressive story. Are you now happy with your Corvair installation? Dan dan john wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: dan john Dan,you mention William Wynne`s`s rep for being a straight shooter.I attended his forum at Oshkosh in 2oo2 and afterwords told him of a low RPM problem I was having with the Corvair I installed in my Grega GN-1 Aircamper.After Oshkosh was over he drove here (300 miles) to see if he could help out.I had`nt even used his conversion manual.I used Berne Pietenpol`s.William even gave me a set of the proper points to use,the kind with a nut and bolt to hold the wires on rather than a push on terminal.Yea,I`d say he is a straight shooter. John P. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:53 PM PST US From: "David Witt" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH-640 builders --> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Witt" Hi Jeff, I plan to build a CH-640. I bought the plans about 6 months ago and am currently busy getting my garage ready to go. Unfortunately, I have been busier than I had hoped and have not been able to get started yet. I am still trying to decide whether to scratch build or go with a kit. David Witt --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" I don't see anyone posting information here about building the CH-640. Am I the only one on the list building the CH-640? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:54 PM PST US From: "Brett Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 and engines --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" My 88 c.i. Harley Davidson motor weighs 214 lbs. That is with everything except for the prop. That's with all the bolts, rubber mounts, exhaust etc. The 95 c.i. motor makes about 115hp. and 125 ft. lbs. of torque and weighs less at 211 lbs.. The 88 c.i. is 85hp. and 90 torque. They are kind of pricey at $8500 but still not as bad as the Rotax. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:12 PM PST US From: dan john Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 and engines --> Zenith-List message posted by: dan john Yep,so far so good.Only 15 hours so far though. John P. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:25 PM PST US From: "Phil Maxson" Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL: Brake Line Routing --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" I'm preparing to route the brake lines from the rear of the gear legs into the cabin. What path did you people use? It seems like you could take the lines into the cabin behind the seat and through the armrest area and up to the front along side the torque tube for the stick. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Phil Maxson 601XL Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:27 PM PST US From: "Bernie and Alison Garrett" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH640 Builders --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bernie and Alison Garrett" Hi, I think there are a few CH640 builders out there. I am considering buying a kit myself after Christmas, but am not sure how many people are building this design, or how many are flying. Anyone know? Regards Bernie Garrett