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1. 06:57 AM - 601XL pedals & toe-brakes (Rico Voss)
2. 08:40 AM - Re: 601XL pedals & toe-brakes (Bill Howerton)
3. 08:43 AM - Re: 601XL pedals & toe-brakes (lnk@cis.net)
4. 09:04 AM - 601 elevator deflection (Bob Miller)
5. 09:04 AM - Re: 601XL pedals & toe-brakes (Dave Pepper)
6. 11:39 AM - Re: 601 elevator deflection (Grant Corriveau)
7. 01:08 PM - Re: 601 XL: Brake Line Routing (Frank Jones)
8. 04:24 PM - Re: 601XL pedals & toe-brakes (Bryan Martin)
9. 07:14 PM - Re: 601XL pedals & toe-brakes (Jack Russell)
10. 08:47 PM - Re: 601 and engines (daddybob)
11. 10:30 PM - All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!! (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | 601XL pedals & toe-brakes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
1. Has anyone been successful bending (hammering?) the
toe-brake hinge around the pedal tubing? If so, HOW?
I think I'd have better luck bending a rock,
compared to that stainless.
2. There were reports of early rudder pedals breaking
welds. The archives referenced instructions for a
gusset on the ZAC website, but I couldn't find it.
Does anyone know if the problem is solved in the XL
pedals? Or if a gusset is needed, where to find it
on the ZAC site.
Thanks,
Tio Rico, XL, 51.7% airframe, Kansas City
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL pedals & toe-brakes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
yes I did -- I put the majority of the hinge (exposing a small bit of the
flange) in a bench vise then used a vise-grip bending brake and a ball-peen
hammer bent it a little, then loosened bench vise, pulled a little more of
the hinge out, tightened, then repeated a number of times until the entire
flange had been bent. You don't have to bend it much during each iteration
to get a good round curve.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rico Voss" <vozzen@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL pedals & toe-brakes
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
>
> 1. Has anyone been successful bending (hammering?) the
> toe-brake hinge around the pedal tubing? If so, HOW?
> I think I'd have better luck bending a rock,
> compared to that stainless.
>
> 2. There were reports of early rudder pedals breaking
> welds. The archives referenced instructions for a
> gusset on the ZAC website, but I couldn't find it.
> Does anyone know if the problem is solved in the XL
> pedals? Or if a gusset is needed, where to find it
> on the ZAC site.
>
> Thanks,
> Tio Rico, XL, 51.7% airframe, Kansas City
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | 601XL pedals & toe-brakes |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lnk@cis.net" <lnk@cis.net>
Here is a link to the rudder pedal warning page. If you haven't yet you
will need to register to get access.
http://www.zenithair.com/bldr/tech/rudder.htm
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From: Rico Voss vozzen@yahoo.com
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL pedals & toe-brakes
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
1. Has anyone been successful bending (hammering?) the
toe-brake hinge around the pedal tubing? If so, HOW?
I think I'd have better luck bending a rock,
compared to that stainless.
2. There were reports of early rudder pedals breaking
welds. The archives referenced instructions for a
gusset on the ZAC website, but I couldn't find it.
Does anyone know if the problem is solved in the XL
pedals? Or if a gusset is needed, where to find it
on the ZAC site.
Thanks,
Tio Rico, XL, 51.7% airframe, Kansas City
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| Subject: | 601 elevator deflection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Grant and all,
Thanks for the comments--I'll definitely run anything by Chris before following
through on any mods. I did ask him the same question and his only reply was
"we do not offer an aerobatic version". I'm sure liability is an issue if he
makes a reply that would seem to in any way endorse aerobatics, and I'm glad he's
playing it safe...we need him on the scene.
Anyway, I know the Zodiac is not aerobatic, isn't even supposed to be a lot of
fun rolling or looping, but I still want to be able to do it now and then. Not
for show, but just out of occasional impulses of exuberance. Clearly Chris
has warned people about absolutely no tail slides, which we should all take
as gospel. Several people on the list have posted concerns re the tail section
being held on by only four relatively small bolts, and I had hoped there might
be some suggestions as to how to make this connection stronger. (But still,
of course, no tail slides!)
Thanks again for the input.
Bob Miller
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL pedals & toe-brakes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
My HD's rudder pedals are very difficult to operate. It seems that there is
so much down pressure of the nose gear strut on the lower firewall gear
fitting (from the steel strut rubbing on the aluminum fitting), that the
rudder doesn't move freely. With the engine installed and weight on the
nosewheel, I imagine the rudder would operate more freely. However in
flight, the rudder pedals will be very stiff.
Is there something that can be done to ensure smooth rudder operation in
flight, when there is maximum pressure
of the nose gear strut on the lower fitting?
Thanks for the comments
Dave Pepper
601HD/912S....90%
----- Original Message -----
From: <lnk@cis.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL pedals & toe-brakes
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lnk@cis.net" <lnk@cis.net>
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> Here is a link to the rudder pedal warning page. If you haven't yet you
> will need to register to get access.
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldr/tech/rudder.htm
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>
> Original Message:
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> From: Rico Voss vozzen@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:57:12 -0800 (PST)
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL pedals & toe-brakes
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
>
> 1. Has anyone been successful bending (hammering?) the
> toe-brake hinge around the pedal tubing? If so, HOW?
> I think I'd have better luck bending a rock,
> compared to that stainless.
>
> 2. There were reports of early rudder pedals breaking
> welds. The archives referenced instructions for a
> gusset on the ZAC website, but I couldn't find it.
> Does anyone know if the problem is solved in the XL
> pedals? Or if a gusset is needed, where to find it
> on the ZAC site.
>
> Thanks,
> Tio Rico, XL, 51.7% airframe, Kansas City
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 elevator deflection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> Several people on the list have posted concerns re the tail section being held
> on by only four relatively small bolts
Have you ever seen the four small bolts that hold on the entire wing of the
C-150/2? ;-)
do not archive
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| Subject: | 601 XL: Brake Line Routing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
> I'm preparing to route the brake lines from the rear of the gear legs
into
> the cabin. What path did you people use?
> It seems like you could take the lines into the cabin behind the seat
and
> through the armrest area and up to the front along side the torque
tube > for
> the stick.
>Any other suggestions?
Phil,
I routed mine up the rear of the gear legs, along the gear attach
bracket towards the front, and in the cabin just in front of the spar
near the thick L-angle along the cabin floor. This saved any routing
through the seats, arms and I don't think it adds a whole lot of drag
compared to going into the fuse right at the gear attach.
Frank Jones
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL pedals & toe-brakes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 10/31/03 12:03 PM, Dave Pepper at rockinrimranch@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Is there something that can be done to ensure smooth rudder operation in
> flight, when there is maximum pressure
> of the nose gear strut on the lower fitting?
>
The hole through the aluminum should be a clearance fit with the strut
turning freely in the hole. The hole through the plastic bearing should be
slightly smaller and, in the final assembly, the strut should contact only
the plastic and not the aluminum. You can file the V in the plastic bearing
wider and give it a gentler slope to reduce the force necessary to move the
rudder from center. Also, the aluminum cap at the top of the strut should
not contact the firewall stiffener when the strut is fully down in contact
with the lower bearing.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Panel and engine installed.
Working on cowling.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL pedals & toe-brakes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com> wrote:
1. Has anyone been successful bending (hammering?) the
toe-brake hinge around the pedal tubing? If so, HOW?
I think I'd have better luck bending a rock,
compared to that stainless.
Rico: The thing bent like butter once I took a torch to it.
Jack Russell, Clovis CA
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| Subject: | Re: 601 and engines |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: daddybob <daddybob52954@yahoo.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray"
> <brett@hog-air.com>
>
> My 88 c.i. Harley Davidson motor weighs 214 lbs.
> That is with
> everything except for the prop. That's with all the
> bolts, rubber
> mounts, exhaust etc. The 95 c.i. motor makes about
> 115hp. and 125 ft.
> lbs. of torque and weighs less at 211 lbs.. The 88
> c.i. is 85hp. and 90
> torque. They are kind of pricey at $8500 but still
> not as bad as the
> Rotax.
And WAY more cool!!!
I dream of a 701 going potato potato potato...
DB
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| Subject: | All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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