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1. 12:16 AM - WLAS... (Matt Dralle)
2. 06:23 AM - Re: 801: Assembling Firewall, Custom Engine Mount (Gary Liming)
3. 06:52 AM - 701 Fuselage (ruruNY@aol.com)
4. 07:52 AM - Re: 801: Assembling Firewall, Custom Engine Mount Fabrication (Larry Landucci)
5. 08:03 AM - 701 Fuselage people only (RURUNY@aol.com)
6. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 11/08/03 (Roger Roy)
7. 10:55 AM - Re: 701 Fuselage people only (Elwood140@aol.com)
8. 12:22 PM - Re: 701 Fuselage people only (RURUNY@aol.com)
9. 01:49 PM - Another First Flight-CH701/912ULS (Shay King)
10. 03:19 PM - Re: Another First Flight-CH701/912ULS (Beckman, Rick)
11. 03:30 PM - Re: Another First Flight-CH701/912ULS (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
12. 03:57 PM - Re: Another First Flight-CH701/912ULS (Ron DeWees)
13. 04:50 PM - Re: Another First Flight-CH701/912ULS (Gary Gower)
14. 06:21 PM - 601XL 912S GSC performance info (Frank Jones)
15. 08:27 PM - Re: another first flight CH 701 912ULS (Dabusmith@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: 801: Assembling Firewall, Custom Engine Mount |
Fabrication
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org> Fabrication
At 11:18 AM 11/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>When assembling the 801's firewall the manual(
>http://www.zenithair.com/stolch801/data/new/801forward-fuselage-section2.pdf
>) cover page refers to using AS5 or A5 rivets. However, subsequent
>pages only refer to AS5 rivets. What have folks been using, the
>stainless steel rivets or plain A5's?
Definitely use the AS5's. You'll need a strong squeezer, though. Harbor
Freight sells an inexpensive manual one that does the job. Make sure you
put them all in before mounting anything, because the manual squeezer is
pretty large. Its #41291-0VGA and $17.
>Also, for those who have built their own engine mounts, how did you
>distribute the weight among the 4 firewall bolts? Did you use the
>possible top fifth center mount location as part of the system of load
>bearing or just for stabilizing? Any discussion is appreciated as I
>have used only 2 dimensional equations
The upper "fifth" mount bolts are crucial to transmit any nose landing
forces to the cabin frame, and the rest of the fuselage, as well as help to
suspend the engine. IMHO, any mount should include those.
Gary Liming, 801
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ruruNY@aol.com
Here are some pics of the x bracing on my fuselage.
The Zenith Demo 701 does not have this bracing last time I saw
it(Oshkosh 2002) but they had a chek 701 that had the x bracing and it
looked great.
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Subject:701 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: 801: Assembling Firewall, Custom Engine Mount Fabrication |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Landucci <lllanducci@tds.net>
I also used the AS5 rivets -- they are definitely much stronger than
the A5 rivets ( and much more difficult to remove).
As ZAC tells you in the manual, you should not use the pneumatic
riveter that they sell because you may crack the casing. They give a
reference to a heavy duty manual riveter obtainable from Harbor Freight
(SKU # 41291) which sells for about $15. It is very easy to use --
much easier than trying to pull an ordinary A5 rivet with a typical
hand riveter.
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| Subject: | 701 Fuselage people only |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Guys,
I have posted some pics on a shutterfly slide show of the fuselage x bracing
on my fuselage. I decided to do this after seeing it on a yellow chek built
701 at Oshkosh 2002
and thought it looked good. The zenith 701 demo did not have this bracing at
that time. I will use the foam or spray mentioned in posts around the baggage
compartment to deaden the noises comming from there. I recently replaced a
stainless steel sink in my kitchen
with a new deeper one. While looking at new ones at home depot I noticed that
they had a
thin foam sprayed on the back sides. At first I did not know what it was for
but when removing the old sink I noticed it did not have the spray. The new
sink did not clang or clong when you tapped it with your knuckle or with dishes
as the old one did, it is much quieter even though it is deeper and like
someone said a big bell.
The recent news about jammed flight controls due to FOD has made me concerned
about glueing anything under the seat or in the rear fuselage. As the
headliner in my Dodge truck proves, glue can come off , and if it was a piece of
foam
glued up in the fuselage it could come off and get cought up in a bell crank,
cable, pushrod or pully. I looked at the x bracing being riveted in as secure
and a good way to stop the oilcanning of the large expanses of the thin .016
skin , thats all.
Also I wrote to Zenith and asked them what they thought about doing this.
They said it was OK to do but he recomended that on the 701 the L angles
intersect the longerons.
I noticed the 701 construction pics on the zenith web site had shown this but
on the 801 assembly manuals the L s did not. Nick cleared this up.
If you decide to do this here is a couple tips.
The x bracing will not be able to intersect the vertical braces.You will have
to intersect the longeron 1 rivet away from the vertical braces. This is
because you have to put in gussets at the corners of those braces after the
fuselage is riveted together.
Lay out all the L angle x braces when drilling your longerons to the skins
but do not rivet them in. They will get in the way of drilling in the gussets
while squaring the riveted fuselage.
When riveting longerons to skins do not rivet holes where x braces intersect
longerons.I riveted all in after all gussets and work back there was
finished. I put the bottom x bracing in when I did not have to crawl back there
again.
I did not put any on top.
and 1st area away from fwd H frame was not an x but a diagonal.
Sorry this is a late responce and
Sorry I dragged on here
Brian
SN 4831
Long Island NY
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.............I am building a 701 with another co-owner.=A0 We are working on
the rear fuselage
and are trying to discover whether additional L's should be riveted to the
skins
to prevent 'oil canning'.=A0 The 701 in the Zenith photo gallery shows X's
between
each frame, but this seems excessive.=A0 We would appreciate feedback from
those of you flying the 701 as to how severe the 'oil canning' is, and what
you have done to mitigate it.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 11/08/03 |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:48:52 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Roy" <Savannah174@msn.com>
Sorry Elbie tis not I.
Roger J. Roy
----- Original Message -----
From: RiteAngle3@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:56 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 11/08/03
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 11/9/03 12:02:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,
zenith-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Roger J. Roy
CH-701/912S
Is this the Roger Roy that was an AirCal pilot prior to AA buying us in '87?
Elbie Mendenhall
EM aviation
retired AA
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Fuselage people only |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
In a message dated 11/10/2003 10:06:30 AM Central Standard Time,
RURUNY@aol.com writes:
http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i67b0de21b354c911651a
Brian, shutterfly says this is an incomplete url. Can you help?
Do Not archive
Larry Wood
N701LW reserved
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Fuselage people only |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Keith,
Sorry about the link try:
<A HREF="http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b354c911651a">http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b354c911651a
Brian
In a message dated 11/10/2003 1:32:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
keith.ashcraft@itt.com writes:
> Hey Brian,
> I responded to you directly instead of going through the Matrionics
> group. It seems the link to your pictures has an incomplete address.
> Could you try sending the URL again,
>
> Thanks and Good luck!!
>
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| Subject: | Another First Flight-CH701/912ULS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Shay King" <shaking@eircom.net>
Dear Listers,
After 3 years and an embarrassing number of building hours I flew my 701 for the
first time this morning. Everything seems to work OK, just had to tape over
the oil cooler to get the temp up to normal range. Did 4 flights in all today
totalling 1 hr 16 min.
Thanks to all you guys on the list who helped out over the 3 years. Thanks to Nick
at Zenair for answering all those questions, and a special thanks to Marek
at CZAW for answering so many questions and providing encouragement along the
way.
Regards,
Shay King. CH701 Reg: EI - SMK Possibly the first one to fly in Ireland.
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| Subject: | Another First Flight-CH701/912ULS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
Dear Listers,
After 3 years and an embarrassing number of building hours I flew my 701 for
the first time this morning. Everything seems to work OK, just had to tape
over the oil cooler to get the temp up to normal range. Did 4 flights in
all today totalling 1 hr 16 min.
Heeeey!!! Congratulations!! Don't be sorry about the time
put in building.
All that matters, aside being done, is that you know it is
safe and you did it!
Way to go!!!!
Rick Beckman
601 XL
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| Subject: | Re: Another First Flight-CH701/912ULS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
Wow Shay, another one takes to the skies!!!!! Congrats.
Smoooooth landings
Fred
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Another First Flight-CH701/912ULS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Ditto here Shay,
Great news to hear that somebody is in the light at the end of the tunnel.
Congratulations!
Give us more information about the flight and performance when you calm
down!
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@birch.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Another First Flight-CH701/912ULS
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen"
<hulens61@birch.net>
>
> Wow Shay, another one takes to the skies!!!!! Congrats.
>
> Smoooooth landings
>
> Fred
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another First Flight-CH701/912ULS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Shay,
That is great! 701 are coming to live all over the world...
Congratulations. Keep in touch with reports about your flying.
We have another 701 builder in our city (Miguel Angel Orozco), there
are going to be 3 701 kit builts.
Saludos
Gary Gower
All the instruments ready, just working on the Navaid Autopilot
instalation...
Do not archive
--- Shay King <shaking@eircom.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Shay King" <shaking@eircom.net>
>
> Dear Listers,
> After 3 years and an embarrassing number of building hours I flew my
> 701 for the first time this morning. Everything seems to work OK,
> just had to tape over the oil cooler to get the temp up to normal
> range. Did 4 flights in all today totalling 1 hr 16 min.
>
> Thanks to all you guys on the list who helped out over the 3 years.
> Thanks to Nick at Zenair for answering all those questions, and a
> special thanks to Marek at CZAW for answering so many questions and
> providing encouragement along the way.
>
> Regards,
> Shay King. CH701 Reg: EI - SMK Possibly the first one to fly
> in Ireland.
>
>
>
> _->
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 601XL 912S GSC performance info |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
Just thought I'd pass on this tidbit re my configuration. So far 7.5
hours and all is well. I've played a bit with prop pitch on the provided
GSC ground adjustable prop. I have found that 19 degrees produces good
climb rate and the engine doesn't rev like crazy. Here are my readings
so far:
3 degrees Celsius OAT
Weight 1080 lbs
Prop pitch 19 degrees
Climb at 80 Statute MPH 1500-1700 fpm
RPM at full throttle climb is 5200-5300
Cruise at 4800 RPM 110 Statute MPH
Max cruise estimate 130+ (haven't gone that fast yet)
Frank Jones
C-GYXQ
601XL 912S
Ottawa
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| Subject: | Re: another first flight CH 701 912ULS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
>Shay King. CH701 Reg: EI - SMK Possibly the first one to fly in
Ireland.
Wow! That must be beautiful. Congratulations Shay!
Dave Smith
N701XL Graham WA.
Doing 25 hour oil change.
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