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1. 03:58 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 12/12/03 (alex trent)
2. 04:00 AM - the hog flys (alex trent)
3. 06:36 AM - direct drive RPM vs. prop RPM (Philip A. C.)
4. 07:51 AM - Re: direct drive RPM vs. prop RPM (Thomas F Marson)
5. 07:51 AM - Re: direct drive RPM vs. prop RPM (Larry McFarland)
6. 09:55 AM - Re: Mac trim switch runaway (Dabusmith@aol.com)
7. 12:24 PM - Re: The Harley is Flying (daddybob)
8. 05:32 PM - Re: The Harley is Flying (Gary Gower)
9. 06:13 PM - Re: The Harley is Flying (playback method) (Keith Ashcraft)
10. 09:22 PM - Re: Re: The Harley is Flying (Brett Ray)
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 12/12/03 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
I had to use explorer to run them. Someone said "it sounds
like a P51". Obviously they have never head a P51.
alex t.
>Fritz Wagoner wrote:
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>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fritz Wagoner" <fwagoner@zianet.com>
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>>I'm having the same problem as Carlos, maybe we need an update or something.
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>I couldn't see them in Netscape, but Internet Explorer worked fine
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>Really cool video, I LOVED the sound :)
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>Rick P.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
OOps forgot to change the subject
I had to use explorer to run them. Someone said "it sounds
like a P51". Obviously they have never head a P51.
alex t.
>Fritz Wagoner wrote:
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>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fritz Wagoner" <fwagoner@zianet.com>
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>>I'm having the same problem as Carlos, maybe we need an update or something.
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>I couldn't see them in Netscape, but Internet Explorer worked fine
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>Really cool video, I LOVED the sound :)
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>Rick P.
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| Subject: | direct drive RPM vs. prop RPM |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip A. C." <paclimited@hotmail.com>
Pardon the question... but dumbness is in staying ignorant, not in asking:
Most direct drive engines run around 3300-3500 rpm max, and 3000 rpm
continuous. But most of the propellers are rated 2700 rpm max. How do you
make sense of that?
You run your engine under-power, or you run your prop overspeed?
I'd be glad if someone could explain.
Thanks
Philip
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| Subject: | Re: direct drive RPM vs. prop RPM |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
You put on a prop with a smaller diameter and greater pitch. This keeps the
tip speed below sonic and the additional pitch loads the engine enough to
absorb the power. Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip A. C." <paclimited@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: direct drive RPM vs. prop RPM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip A. C." <paclimited@hotmail.com>
>
> Pardon the question... but dumbness is in staying ignorant, not in asking:
>
> Most direct drive engines run around 3300-3500 rpm max, and 3000 rpm
> continuous. But most of the propellers are rated 2700 rpm max. How do you
> make sense of that?
>
> You run your engine under-power, or you run your prop overspeed?
>
> I'd be glad if someone could explain.
>
> Thanks
>
> Philip
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: direct drive RPM vs. prop RPM |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith-List: direct drive RPM vs. prop RPM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip A. C." <paclimited@hotmail.com>
>
> Pardon the question... but dumbness is in staying ignorant, not in asking:
>
> Most direct drive engines run around 3300-3500 rpm max, and 3000 rpm
> continuous. But most of the propellers are rated 2700 rpm max. How do you
> make sense of that?
>
> You run your engine under-power, or you run your prop overspeed?
>
> I'd be glad if someone could explain.
>
> Thanks
>
> Philip
Philip,
Hopefully neither, as
propeller diameter limited-rpms are the intention of keeping prop tips from
running into their
own wake and encountering destructive flexing stresses. That said, the
propellor is usually selected and
sized to support power & rpms expected for the application. i.e. VW props
are very small but turn much higher
rpms for much smaller aircraft. Can't see the logic of limiting rpm to less
power output per pound of engine.
Most engines are selected to obtain the best output with or without redrive.
Larry McFarland - 601hds at 98%
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| Subject: | Re: Mac trim switch runaway |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
List
My Mac elevator trim switch has been acting up lately. The trim switch felt
so cheap when it was new I thought it must be that way so it wouldn't have
runaway problems. Wrong. I am hoping the trouble goes away. It has been
intermittent and only when trim is selected. So far, it stops when I toggle it
back. The
good news is it is not hard to fly the plane safely with the trim full up or
down. Even on take off and landing.
Dave Smith
N701XL 42hr.
PS I have got to see that Hog! Too Cool.
>do not archive<
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| Subject: | Re: The Harley is Flying |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: daddybob <daddybob52954@yahoo.com>
Man that thing sounds so cool on my daughter's
computer with the big woofer! It is so wild to hear a
Hog and see an airplane! That really rocks. I played
that thing all day yesterday. My wife found it and me
insufferable.
I couldn't play it in Netscape either. It works fine
in MSIE and Windows Media Player for me, and looks
really good when I use the full window option.
Some of you who are having trouble may need some
Windows updates, but I don't really know, I just keep
mine updated.
If all of this works out and shakes out well, it
really thrills me to know that there may be an engine
available to guys like me out in the sticks that you
can always find a mechanic and parts for. Harley
riders are everywhere and the Harley Davidson
corporate turnaround has become a business legend.
This may even get a lot more people interested in
small aviation.
Keep up the good work Brett!
DB
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: The Harley is Flying |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Brett:
Great video, great engine instalation, congratulations!!! Only one
comment.
How are the head temp readings? Did you did some airflow design? The
redrive suport looks too big in front the engine, preventing air to go
betwen the cilinders... Just a comment, I know you worked it out.
Congrats once more time, any engine alternative for airplanes is
appreciated and deserves all the support available from the aviation
comunity...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- Brett Ray <brett@hog-air.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
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> I went flying again today. :) As soon as I get some good test numbers
>
> together you guys will be the first to know. I am right about 80 HP
> now but next spring when I have some time in it I am putting in the
> 95ci. It is about 115HP with 125 ft lbs. I did see 90mph on climb out
>
> today at about 500 to 700 FPM
> I did the video in media player. I don't know what the problem may
> be.
> I will try to get some REAL and Quick time up soon also.
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
> <larrymc@qconline.com>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: The Harley is Flying
> >
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray"
> <brett@hog-air.com>
> > >
> > > I got some video up today if you want to see and hear it go to
> > > http://www.hog-air.com/video.htm
> > > It really flys nice.
> > >
> >
> > Brett,
> > If you've ever loved the sound of a Harley, you're video clip of a
> 601flying
> > with that tone is real blast. Beautiful engineering!
> >
> > You're going to have to drop some stats on
> > the power, cruise speeds etc.
> >
> > Congratulations
> >
> > Larry McFarland
> >
> >
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> -- Thanks
> Brett Ray
> owner Hog Air
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| Subject: | Re: The Harley is Flying (playback method) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Hello All,
First of all, congratulations on the flight.
The method that I have used to view the files, is to right-click on the
link, and then do a "Save Link Target As..", then save the file to my
disk. The Browser I use is Mozilla, (same as Netscape). Then I use
Windows Media Player 7.01. The files will not play for me unless I save
them to the hard disk first.
Good luck!!
Again, congrats on the flights.
Keith
CH701 178% left to go!!
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Fritz Wagoner wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fritz Wagoner" <fwagoner@zianet.com>
>
>I'm having the same problem as Carlos, maybe we need an update or something.
>I'm running Media Player 7.01 I also can't get them to play in my Dazzle
>video capture software either (probably the same vintage as my Media Player)
>
>Carpi Airplaneium...
>Fritz Wagoner
>VP-1 NX68FW / 701 scratch built 5% done
>Las Cruces, NM USA
>http://www.zianet.com/fwagoner
>do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of k.jones
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: The Harley is Flying
>
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "k.jones" <kevin-jones@snet.net>
>
>I don't know what Carlos' problem is but you should be aware that it is OK
>on my media player. Can you tell us how you got it into your computer?
>kj
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "k.jones" <kevin-jones@snet.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: The Harley is Flying
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>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "k.jones" <kevin-jones@snet.net>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Carlos Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: The Harley is Flying
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>Hi, Brett
>>>
>>>I can only play the "engine running" file.
>>>Windows Media Player doesn't like the others, neither does winamp 3.
>>>What do you use to play them?
>>>
>>>
>>>Carlos
>>>
>>>* do not archive *
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Brett Ray <brett@hog-air.com> wrote: > --> Zenith-List message
>>>
>>>
>posted
>
>
>>by: "Brett Ray"
>>
>>
>>><brett@hog-air.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I got some video up today if you want to see and hear it go to
>>>>http://www.hog-air.com/video.htm
>>>>It really flys nice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: The Harley is Flying |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
That is one of the things I was hoping for that it might get more
people into it. Plus I just like to do things different. And parts
will be real easy to find. I will have motor packages available once I
am done testing and satisfied wiht the results. But not before.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: daddybob <daddybob52954@yahoo.com>
>
> Man that thing sounds so cool on my daughter's
> computer with the big woofer! It is so wild to hear a
> Hog and see an airplane! That really rocks. I played
> that thing all day yesterday. My wife found it and me
> insufferable.
>
> I couldn't play it in Netscape either. It works fine
> in MSIE and Windows Media Player for me, and looks
> really good when I use the full window option.
>
> Some of you who are having trouble may need some
> Windows updates, but I don't really know, I just keep
> mine updated.
>
> If all of this works out and shakes out well, it
> really thrills me to know that there may be an engine
> available to guys like me out in the sticks that you
> can always find a mechanic and parts for. Harley
> riders are everywhere and the Harley Davidson
> corporate turnaround has become a business legend.
> This may even get a lot more people interested in
> small aviation.
>
> Keep up the good work Brett!
>
> DB
>
> Do not archive
>
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