---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/14/03: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:39 AM - Grant C - e-mail (Phil Raker) 2. 09:51 AM - HVLP vs Standard Spray Guns (martin nackman) 3. 10:00 AM - Stratus prop drive (Brett Ray) 4. 12:46 PM - Re: HVLP vs Standard Spray Guns (Ron DeWees) 5. 01:27 PM - Re: prop/engine RPM (RiteAngle3@aol.com) 6. 02:06 PM - Re: Stratus prop drive (k.jones) 7. 03:45 PM - Re: HVLP spray gun (Dabusmith@aol.com) 8. 08:43 PM - Re: Stratus prop drive (Thomas F Marson) 9. 09:02 PM - Re: Stratus prop drive (Brett Ray) 10. 09:56 PM - I'm signed up! (Kevin W Bonds) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:54 AM PST US From: Phil Raker Subject: Zenith-List: Grant C - e-mail --> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker Is Grant Corriveau still on this list? If not, can someone please send me his current e-mail address (off list). I tried to send him something, but it came back as address unknown (must have been an old one). Thanx muchly. Phil Raker N556P - HDS/ Stratus ~80% complete __________________________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:44 AM PST US From: "martin nackman" Subject: Zenith-List: HVLP vs Standard Spray Guns --> Zenith-List message posted by: "martin nackman" I am getting a 33gal compressor and I intend to use it to do (among other things) the painting of the airframe. I have read a bit about the High Volume Low Pressure painting units but they are not in the budget. My question is on the spray gun. Is there a difference in the gun that is attached to a HVLP vs a standard air compressor? Again I'll have a standard air compressor but most shops offer HVLP spray guns. Can I use a HVLP spray gun with my standard air compressor and get the same benifits of less overspray? Or should I get a regular spray gun because at a given air pressure a standard aircompressor isn't putting out a sufficient Volume of air? Thanks, Martin Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:56 AM PST US From: "Brett Ray" Subject: Zenith-List: Stratus prop drive --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" Does anyone out there need a Stratus prop drive cheap? With starter and 2 new belts. Let me know. -- Thanks Brett Ray ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:58 PM PST US From: "Ron DeWees" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HVLP vs Standard Spray Guns --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" Hi Martin, Have you heard of a tool company called Harbor Freight? Most tools are imported and about 1/2 or less the cost of "regular" tools. They sell HVLP spray guns from $35 or $40 bucks and had a whole compressor and gun for $99 at the local store here in Atlanta yesterday. They are at harborfreight.com on the net. The HVLP will at least lower the amount of paint you need and keep the air a bit safer in the paint booth. Good luck Ron DeWees 601HDS/Jab 3300 in progress. ----- Original Message ----- From: "martin nackman" Subject: Zenith-List: HVLP vs Standard Spray Guns > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "martin nackman" > > I am getting a 33gal compressor and I intend to use it to do (among other > things) the > painting of the airframe. I have read a bit about the High Volume Low > Pressure painting > units but they are not in the budget. My question is on the spray gun. Is > there a difference > in the gun that is attached to a HVLP vs a standard air compressor? Again > I'll have a standard > air compressor but most shops offer HVLP spray guns. Can I use a HVLP spray > gun with my > standard air compressor and get the same benifits of less overspray? Or > should I get a regular spray gun because at a given air pressure a standard > aircompressor isn't putting out a sufficient Volume of air? > Thanks, > Martin > > Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet > connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. > https://broadband.msn.com > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:08 PM PST US From: RiteAngle3@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: prop/engine RPM --> Zenith-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com In a message dated 12/14/03 12:00:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, zenith-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Pardon the question... but dumbness is in staying ignorant, not in asking: Most direct drive engines run around 3300-3500 rpm max, and 3000 rpm continuous. But most of the propellers are rated 2700 rpm max. >>>>The old CFI in me says no dumb questions :-) Direct drive engines specifically designed for aircraft normally turn much slower, either by reduction or design. It is the same old thing, give and take, give the rpm take the power, lower rpm they couldn't brag on the output! I would NEVER go over max RPM on a prop, and I never plan on going over max rpm on an engine either. Lots of parts jumping up and down in an engine, and they were made for a max RPM. I feel the engineers are much smarter than I am, and I've lived over 24000 hours flying and plan on a few more :-) Tip speed is one reason for the prop speed limits, figure the diameter of a prop, take the RPM and figure the tip speed This is the main reason for 3 bladed props on the larger engines, not performance it is Noise tips approaching the speed of sound make a terrible racket listen to a large seaplane someday ~ Cessna 185, and so on. It also puts lots of stress on the tips. Write the prop manf. and see what they say. Elbie EM aviation www.riteangle.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:41 PM PST US From: "k.jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stratus prop drive --> Zenith-List message posted by: "k.jones" What is a stratus prop drive? I'm going to need a lot of things cheap when I get going. kj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Ray" Subject: Zenith-List: Stratus prop drive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" > > Does anyone out there need a Stratus prop drive cheap? With starter > and 2 new belts. Let me know. > -- Thanks > Brett Ray > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:26 PM PST US From: Dabusmith@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: HVLP spray gun --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com >My question is on the spray gun. Is there a difference in the gun that is attached to a HVLP vs a standard air compressor Martin I was surprised to find my $19.95 1 Qt. HVLP spray gun worked so well. I have a compressor like the one you describe. I built my plane using air tools. My poor compressor worked very hard but it is still working fine.The gun is the kind with the cup on the top. The gun on top uses less paint and is easier to clean but the type with the cup on the bottom is fine too. It is important that you have a regulator (diaphragm type, $30 from paint store if you gun doesn't have one, mine didn't) and a water separator. The water separator has to be about 10 feet from the compressor so that the water vapor can condense and be collected in the separator. I have heard many people say you must have the big name spray guns to put on a nice paint job. It is not true for an amateur. It is more important to prep the surface, set up the gun's spray pattern properly and use decent technique. If you can organize your paint job so that you are mostly painting on a horizontal surface, I am sure you will like the end result. That is, of course, if you can't afford a professional paint job. Dave Smith N701XL do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:24 PM PST US From: "Thomas F Marson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stratus prop drive --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" A Stratus drive is used to reduce prop speed with a Subaru engine. Unless you plan to use a Subaru engine I would not recommend you follow up. Tom Marson ----- Original Message ----- From: "k.jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stratus prop drive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "k.jones" > > What is a stratus prop drive? I'm going to need a lot of things cheap > when I get going. > kj > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brett Ray" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Stratus prop drive > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" > > > > Does anyone out there need a Stratus prop drive cheap? With starter > > and 2 new belts. Let me know. > > -- Thanks > > Brett Ray > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:34 PM PST US From: "Brett Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stratus prop drive --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" Good point. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" > > A Stratus drive is used to reduce prop speed with a Subaru engine. Unless > you plan to use a Subaru engine I would not recommend you follow up. Tom > Marson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "k.jones" > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stratus prop drive > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "k.jones" > > > > What is a stratus prop drive? I'm going to need a lot of things cheap > > when I get going. > > kj > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brett Ray" > > To: > > Subject: Zenith-List: Stratus prop drive > > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" > > > > > > Does anyone out there need a Stratus prop drive cheap? With starter > > > and 2 new belts. Let me know. > > > -- Thanks > > > Brett Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > _- ======================================================================= > _-> _- ======================================================================= = > _- ======================================================================= = > _- ======================================================================= = > _- ======================================================================= = > > > > > > -- Thanks Brett Ray owner Hog Air ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:33 PM PST US From: "Kevin W Bonds" Subject: Zenith-List: I'm signed up! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" Hello All I know this will not be exciting to anyone else but, I'M SIGHNED UP! I'M GOING TO ATTEND THE WORKSHOP JANUARY 29-30! I CANT WAIT! Wheeeuuu! . . . .That felt good. Hopfully one day I cant get exited about actually owning my own plane . . . that I built . . . with my own two hands! But, till then baby steps and small victories! Here's to em'! Kevin Bonds Nashville Tn