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1. 06:42 AM - correction (lynnp)
2. 06:42 AM - CH701 engine choice (Keith Ashcraft)
3. 09:30 AM - Re: CH701 engine choice (Larry McFarland)
4. 09:47 AM - My 100th anniversary Commemorative flight (royt.or@netzero.com)
5. 10:44 AM - Re: CH801 Wing Questions (Don Hill)
6. 11:25 AM - Re: My 100th anniversary Commemorative flight (Kevin W Bonds)
7. 02:12 PM - Re: CH701 engine choice (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
8. 02:24 PM - Re: CH701 engine choice (Chuck Deiterich)
9. 03:42 PM - I got my 100th anniversary Commemorative flight in (Brett Ray)
10. 07:07 PM - Wheel fairings ? (Brett Ray)
11. 07:50 PM - 100th anniversary baby born (Rick Pitcher)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lynnp" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
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A few day ago I posted an engine mount for sale that fits a 601/912UL set up.
After an inquiry from a list member I called zenith to see if it would fit a
701. Turns out what I have are the engine mouting brackets not the engine
mount. I thought the $450.00 price was outragous. What I have are simply the
4 brackets that will fit a varitey of aircraft. Zenith gets $114.00 for these
brackets. I will take $60.00 for them.
pp
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| Subject: | CH701 engine choice |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Hello All,
Happy 100th Aniversary of Flight to all, and those who made the deadline
this year.
I have a question for the users of the Subaru EA81 users, builder, and
fliers. I have seen several 701s building and flying with the EA81. I
have looked at the specs and the engine with radiator, full oil, etc.
puts the total weight over the 200lbs. mark. Zenith recomends engines
less than 200 lbs. How does this work?
I am quite a ways from installing an engine yet, but getting ideas now
lets me know how I am going to budget my money for a purchase in the future.
Thanks,
Keith
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 engine choice |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Ashcraft" <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 engine choice
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
>
>
> Hello All,
> Happy 100th Aniversary of Flight to all, and those who made the deadline
> this year.
>
> I have a question for the users of the Subaru EA81 users, builder, and
> fliers. I have seen several 701s building and flying with the EA81. I
> have looked at the specs and the engine with radiator, full oil, etc.
> puts the total weight over the 200lbs. mark. Zenith recomends engines
> less than 200 lbs. How does this work?
>
> I am quite a ways from installing an engine yet, but getting ideas now
> lets me know how I am going to budget my money for a purchase in the
future.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith
>
Keith,
IMHO, the 701 has characteristics of flight that would
be benefitted by as light an engine as
you can put into it and at approximately 80 HP.
I have a Subaru in my 601, but if weight were the only
question, I'd have put in a Jabaru 3300.
The 4-cylinder Jabaru is probably the best of your options
because it will allow you to fly as fast as any other choice
and obtain best climb and glide angles for the 701.
A Subaru powered 701 will climb very quickly, but become a yard dart
in glide mode. The best features of the 701 are the
ability to land and take off with agility. The 80 hp
Jabaru would be the best choice because a 4-cycle engine
is better than 2-cycle for reliability, but if you have to
fly 2-cycle, go with the Rotax 582. It also runs well in
the 701. FWIW, but in the end, the choice is yours.
Respectfully,
Larry McFarland - 601hds @ www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | My 100th anniversary Commemorative flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: royt.or@netzero.com
Details of my flight to celebrate the 100th anniversary of powered flight. (Cross
posted to Zenith list and Aeroelctric-list)
I did a takeoff in my centennial homebuilt, CH601HDS, about 7:20 PST this morning
and planned to stay in the pattern for 20 or 30 minutes to celebrate the 100th
anniversary of power flight and the efforts of the original homebuilders.
During my first trip around the pattern, the field was declared IFR, and I was
given special VFR permission to land. (Just one end of the field was fogged in,
I could see fine.) SO, after landing I asked permission to do a high speed
taxi on the inactive runway. At 7:35PST (10:35 EST) I accelerated to near takeoff
speed, floated the Zodiac a few feet off the ground for 10 to 15 seconds (during
which time the tower reminded me the field was IFR and I WAS NOT to be
airborne) and settled back to the runway. Not what I planned, but as close to
a perfect match of the flight 100 years ago as I could possibly imagine.
It was great.
Regards,
Roy
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| Subject: | CH801 Wing Questions |
<jgolovich@yahoo.com>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Hill" <DonH@comp-sol.com>
I just heard back from ZAC, and here is their response. Thanks to all
who responded. There is a lot of information out there I just need to
sort through it.
Because of the splice plate, no additional hole is drilled at the top of
the spar for the nose rib. As shown in the following photo attachment,
the hole was not omitted by mistake.
Nick Heintz
Zenith Aircraft Company
support@zenithair.com
http://www.zenithair.com
Thanks again
Don Hill
Conesville , IA
CH801
Working on the wings....
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Frisby [mailto:marslander@hotmail.com]
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH801 Wing Questions
Don,
I'm about 500 miles from home just now, working at at the Kuparuk oil
field in "way north" Alaska. I'll be back home Sunday, will look at my
wings and send you a photo of that area.
Jim
>From: "Don Hill" <DonH@comp-sol.com>
>To: "Jim Frisby" <marslander@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH801 Wing Questions
>Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:05:05 -0600
>
>Jim,
>Thanks for the invite. My Yahoo ID is bigdon_1
>
>I have e-mailed ZAC my questions as well. I just seemed odd to me that
>all the rest of the ribs had a hole predrilled for them except this
one.
>
>Thanks
>
>Don Hill
>Conesville , IA
>
>CH801
>Working on the wings....
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| Subject: | Re: My 100th anniversary Commemorative flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
Roy
You're a sentimental guy! I like that about you. . . . or should that be
Centennialmental guy?
Kevin Bonds
Nashville Tn
----- Original Message -----
From: <royt.or@netzero.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: My 100th anniversary Commemorative flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: royt.or@netzero.com
>
>
> Details of my flight to celebrate the 100th anniversary of powered flight.
(Cross posted to Zenith list and Aeroelctric-list)
>
> I did a takeoff in my centennial homebuilt, CH601HDS, about 7:20 PST this
morning and planned to stay in the pattern for 20 or 30 minutes to celebrate
the 100th anniversary of power flight and the efforts of the original
homebuilders. During my first trip around the pattern, the field was
declared IFR, and I was given special VFR permission to land. (Just one end
of the field was fogged in, I could see fine.) SO, after landing I asked
permission to do a high speed taxi on the inactive runway. At 7:35PST (10:35
EST) I accelerated to near takeoff speed, floated the Zodiac a few feet off
the ground for 10 to 15 seconds (during which time the tower reminded me the
field was IFR and I WAS NOT to be airborne) and settled back to the runway.
Not what I planned, but as close to a perfect match of the flight 100 years
ago as I could possibly imagine.
>
> It was great.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roy
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 engine choice |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
Hi Keith,
Your question is one that I pondered over too. For several years.
For a while I had come to the conclusion that the VW with three belt re drive
was the best way to go. Also I had considered the Sube's, 2 cyc Rotax's, 4
cyc Rotax's, and others in the ~ 80 to 100 horse range.
Top choice might have been Cont O- 200. Proven 100HP design. Old as the hills
and very reliable. My C 150 has one. As an A&P I am comfortable with that
engine. Weight was the deciding factor, but I'll keep it in mind if a change is
ever needed. [ A new one, non certified, is about 2K more than the Rotex 912
ULS.]
So, after much analysis, code word for finger nail chewing, I followed the
factory advice, and went for the Rotax 912 ULS. Just got it last month, along
with the engine mount, needed for assembly of the forward fuselage section. And
the good part was that I thought about it long enough to take advantage of the
701SP version, and the fielding of the 912ULS.
At ~100 HP, it is a nice bolt in for the 701. Yes, it is costly, Yes it is
somewhat of a newer design & technology than we are used to, Yes it removes much
of the fun of cobbling up an engine/prop combo that has been a big part of
home building over the years. Yes, it is a bolt in engine!
Thinking back, the Rotax 2 cycle engines were the 701 choice for many years.
The 80 & 100 horse 4 cycles seem to me now, to fit the 701 just right, with
other words like reliability, longevity, 1500 HR TBO, resale value, and POWER,
added as you may see fit. Yes, higher cost too.
Also, after taking a look at the skill level needed in fitting an engine
mount to meet the needs of alternative engines, Contact Magazine for several
years, and the EAA how to books, I guess that I decided to take advantage of the
AC
Designers long and successful history with the 701. So, finally, I took the
factory advice.
Good luck with your decision process, it is part of the fun.
Jerry Erickson, CH 701 SP/912 ULS
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 engine choice |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Keith,
I have a Jabiru 2200 (80hp) on my 701 and it is great.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 engine choice
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
<larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Ashcraft" <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 engine choice
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft
<keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> > Happy 100th Aniversary of Flight to all, and those who made the deadline
> > this year.
> >
> > I have a question for the users of the Subaru EA81 users, builder, and
> > fliers. I have seen several 701s building and flying with the EA81. I
> > have looked at the specs and the engine with radiator, full oil, etc.
> > puts the total weight over the 200lbs. mark. Zenith recomends engines
> > less than 200 lbs. How does this work?
> >
> > I am quite a ways from installing an engine yet, but getting ideas now
> > lets me know how I am going to budget my money for a purchase in the
> future.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Keith
> >
>
> Keith,
> IMHO, the 701 has characteristics of flight that would
> be benefitted by as light an engine as
> you can put into it and at approximately 80 HP.
> I have a Subaru in my 601, but if weight were the only
> question, I'd have put in a Jabaru 3300.
> The 4-cylinder Jabaru is probably the best of your options
> because it will allow you to fly as fast as any other choice
> and obtain best climb and glide angles for the 701.
> A Subaru powered 701 will climb very quickly, but become a yard dart
> in glide mode. The best features of the 701 are the
> ability to land and take off with agility. The 80 hp
> Jabaru would be the best choice because a 4-cycle engine
> is better than 2-cycle for reliability, but if you have to
> fly 2-cycle, go with the Rotax 582. It also runs well in
> the 701. FWIW, but in the end, the choice is yours.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Larry McFarland - 601hds @ www.macsmachine.com
>
do not archive
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| Subject: | I got my 100th anniversary Commemorative flight in |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
I took the Harley up today. The weather was nice for a change. I
buzzed around for about an hour. Did some touch and goes to help get a
feeling for the plane. The highlight of the day though was when I saw
a Bald Eagle flying about 800 - 1000 feet just cruzin.
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| Subject: | Wheel fairings ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
I am wanting to put wheel fairings on my 601 XL. I there someone who
has flown their plane with and without them that can give me some
data? I was wondering what kind of speed increase can I expect?
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| Subject: | 100th anniversary baby born |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
I'm proud to announce the birth of N601ZR today.
The inspection and registration process went so smoothly it almost
seemed effortless.
The EAA tech counselors did their 3rd and final inspection on Sunday.
I went back out monday and spent a couple hours taking care of a few
items they had pointed out (those extra sets of eyes are invaluable),
then put the cowls and inspection covers back on the plane.
Tuesday was engine run and taxi-test, my buddy Greg came along to take
down readings and act as ballast. The Jabiru started up easily and runs
s-m-o-o-t-h . The power was good, the temps were in range, everything
was secure, so a call to ground control got us clearance to taxi around
the airport and a radio check of loud and clear. It was a cool day, with
about 15 MPH winds. We taxied around for 10 or 15 minutes checking
toe-in, differential braking, hard turns, engine temps, etc... all went
well. We rolled her back in the hangar and opened her up for another
look. No runs, no drips, no errors... "good to go" for the DAR the next day.
Wednesday, the DAR came out to the hangar and spent about a half hour
with paperwork and another half hour doing a hands-on inspection. He had
a couple of questions, a couple of suggestions, and a few nice
comments... but NO squawks. We exchanged paperwork and signitures and it
was a done deal, she's now officially an airplane. Best of all, I got
the airworthiness certificate dated 12-17-2003, the 100 year anniversary
of flight.
Here's a pic of the new baby:
http://www.lightflyers.com/finished.jpg
http://www.lightflyers.com/newhome.jpg
proud father,
Rick Pitcher
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