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1. 05:01 AM - 801: Banana Slot (Scott Stout)
2. 07:13 AM - Re: 100th anniversary baby born (David Barth)
3. 07:28 AM - Re: 801: Banana Slot (Benford2@aol.com)
4. 08:01 AM - Re: 801: Banana Slot (Gary Liming)
5. 09:24 AM - Re: 801: Banana Slot (Gary Liming)
6. 10:05 AM - Re: 100th anniversary baby born (wizard-24@juno.com)
7. 11:24 AM - 601XL Flaps (_ SL _)
8. 11:38 AM - Re: 601XL Flaps (Carlos Sa)
9. 12:09 PM - Re: 100th anniversary baby born (Kevin W Bonds)
10. 12:39 PM - Re: 601XL Flaps (Mike Fothergill)
11. 01:01 PM - Cortec primer question (Jon Croke)
12. 01:29 PM - Re: 601XL Flaps (_ SL _)
13. 01:31 PM - Re: Cortec primer question (_ SL _)
14. 03:23 PM - Re: Cortec primer question (MElrod3732@aol.com)
15. 04:33 PM - Re: 100th anniversary baby born (Rick Pitcher)
16. 07:49 PM - Re: 100th anniversary baby born (Brett Ray)
17. 09:16 PM - Re: 100th anniversary baby born (Rick Pitcher)
18. 09:36 PM - Need a prop (Brett Ray)
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| Subject: | 801: Banana Slot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Scott Stout <the_stouts@worldnet.att.net>
Good Morning...
For those who have implemented the no banana slot flaperon hinge, where
did you source your self-centering flange bearing from? What is the
preference for # of bolts, 2 or 4?
Thanx...
-Scott
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| Subject: | Re: 100th anniversary baby born |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Congratulations Rick. I guess it is time to kick the
baby out of the nest to see how she flies. Take care
and have a blast!
David
do not archive
--- Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher
> <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>
> I'm proud to announce the birth of N601ZR today.
> The inspection and registration process went so
> smoothly it almost
> seemed effortless.
>
=====
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Still making parts. Nose Ribs Done and about half the rear ribs for the wings.
Stab and elevator waiting for skins. Flaps, ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection.
__________________________________
http://photos.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | Re: 801: Banana Slot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 12/18/2003 6:02:32 AM Mountain Standard Time,
the_stouts@worldnet.att.net writes:
>
> Good Morning...
>
> For those who have implemented the no banana slot flaperon hinge, where
> did you source your self-centering flange bearing from? What is the
> preference for # of bolts, 2 or 4?
>
> Thanx...
>
> -Scott
>
>
Spruce has them. Also any good bearing store in town will have them or get
them overnight. They are cheap and definately the way to go. As for the number
of bolts, two is more then enough. All the bearing does is stabilize the end
loads. The four flaperon brackets on the wing carry most of the loading. I
really believe the weak point is the splice between the inner and outer flaperons.
I will look for a part number of the bearings and post them. Gary Liming has a
great article on this and now that I think about it he might even have the
list of parts on there too. Let me know of ya need some close up pics of how
this works.
Ben Haas N801BH.
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| Subject: | Re: 801: Banana Slot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org>
At 07:57 AM 12/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>For those who have implemented the no banana slot flaperon hinge, where
>did you source your self-centering flange bearing from? What is the
>preference for # of bolts, 2 or 4?
Hi Scott,
They are bearings made by Triangle Mfg. I used the 3/4 inch nylon version,
available from Aircraft Spruce, #FMN12, 93 cents each, pg 141 in current
catalog. The bearing flange provides for a 2 bolt attachment.
Gary Liming
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| Subject: | Re: 801: Banana Slot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org>
Just about forgot, a page about this technique is at
www.liming.org/ch801/FHNSF.html
that has some photos of this bearing in place.
Gary Liming
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| Subject: | Re: 100th anniversary baby born |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
Congrats Rick! From the pic, it looks like you may be in SoCal?
Mike Fortunato
Alta Loma, CA
do not archive
> Here's a pic of the new baby:
> http://www.lightflyers.com/finished.jpg
> http://www.lightflyers.com/newhome.jpg
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "_ SL _" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Fellow Builders:
I recently happened upon a photo of a manual flap lever in the 601XL here:
http://www.zenair.com/zodiac/xl/images/Flap-lever.jpg
I was not aware that Zenith was looking at manual flaps for the XL. Do any
of you guys with new plans have this option in your plans? This may be
still in the evaluation stages, but I sure would like this over the electric
flaps if it works. My plans were purchased in February of this year ('03).
Thank you,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and
yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, Scott
The picture looks familiar (i.e., old). Maybe it was an early (prototype) design?
Carlos
do not archive
> I recently happened upon a photo of a manual flap lever in the 601XL here:
>
> hthttp/wwwwwezenairom/zodiac/xlxlmages/Flap-lever.jpjpg>
> I was not aware that Zenith was looking at manual flaps for the XL. Do any
> of you guys with new plans have this option in your plans? This may be
> still in the evaluation stages, but I sure would like this over the electric
> flaps if it works. My plans were purchased in February of this year ('03).
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott LaLaughlin> wwwwwocooknwithgasom
>
> Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and
> yourself. hthttp/special.msmsnom/msmsnbcoworkingmomrarmx>
>
hthttp/wwwwwamatronicsom/search
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>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 100th anniversary baby born |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
Congrats Rick. What a special day for you! Can't think of a better way to
celebrate the first flight of the original homebuilders!
Kevin Bonds
Nashville Tn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Pitcher" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 100th anniversary baby born
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>
> I'm proud to announce the birth of N601ZR today.
> The inspection and registration process went so smoothly it almost
> seemed effortless.
>
> The EAA tech counselors did their 3rd and final inspection on Sunday.
> I went back out monday and spent a couple hours taking care of a few
> items they had pointed out (those extra sets of eyes are invaluable),
> then put the cowls and inspection covers back on the plane.
> Tuesday was engine run and taxi-test, my buddy Greg came along to take
> down readings and act as ballast. The Jabiru started up easily and runs
> s-m-o-o-t-h . The power was good, the temps were in range, everything
> was secure, so a call to ground control got us clearance to taxi around
> the airport and a radio check of loud and clear. It was a cool day, with
> about 15 MPH winds. We taxied around for 10 or 15 minutes checking
> toe-in, differential braking, hard turns, engine temps, etc... all went
> well. We rolled her back in the hangar and opened her up for another
> look. No runs, no drips, no errors... "good to go" for the DAR the next
day.
> Wednesday, the DAR came out to the hangar and spent about a half hour
> with paperwork and another half hour doing a hands-on inspection. He had
> a couple of questions, a couple of suggestions, and a few nice
> comments... but NO squawks. We exchanged paperwork and signitures and it
> was a done deal, she's now officially an airplane. Best of all, I got
> the airworthiness certificate dated 12-17-2003, the 100 year anniversary
> of flight.
>
> Here's a pic of the new baby:
> http://www.lightflyers.com/finished.jpg
> http://www.lightflyers.com/newhome.jpg
>
> proud father,
> Rick Pitcher
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi;
That flap arrangement was only on the prototype XL.
Mike
CH-601HDS
UHS Spinners
_ SL _ wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "_ SL _" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Fellow Builders:
>
> I recently happened upon a photo of a manual flap lever in the 601XL here:
>
> http://www.zenair.com/zodiac/xl/images/Flap-lever.jpg
>
> I was not aware that Zenith was looking at manual flaps for the XL. Do any
> of you guys with new plans have this option in your plans? This may be
> still in the evaluation stages, but I sure would like this over the electric
> flaps if it works. My plans were purchased in February of this year ('03).
>
> Thank you,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
> Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and
> yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx
>
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| Subject: | Cortec primer question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Is anyone that is using the Coretc primer having a problem similar to mine?
It seems that upon application (using a brush) that the wet coating beads up
and leaves a less than uniform coating on the aluminum. Using a brush to
redistribute when still wet doesnt seem to help much. I have tried different
degrees of thinning and cant seem to improve the situation.
What is your experience using this product?
Jon
701US rear fuselage almost done
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "_ SL _" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Thanks for all the replies. The link was from the other Zenith web site
(the 640 site). I have been studying my drawings and I may try to design a
flap handle similar to this:
http://home-l3.tiscali.nl/~driessen2/dcp00468.jpg
Location will be an issue with the center yoke, but I think I can work
around that. I'll post the modifications on my web site when I get to that
point.
Scott Laughlin
Still monkeying around with fuel tanks
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Cortec primer question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "_ SL _" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
<snip>
"It seems that upon application (using a brush) that the wet coating beads
up
and leaves a less than uniform coating on the aluminum. Using a brush to
redistribute when still wet doesnt seem to help much. I have tried different
degrees of thinning and cant seem to improve the situation."
<endsnip>
Make sure you clean the parts with acetone or lacquer thinner before
applying the primer. It sounds like the surface may not be clean.
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| Subject: | Re: Cortec primer question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MElrod3732@aol.com
As a new builder of a CH 701, I had the same problem applying Cortec with an
ordinary paint brush. I changed to a foam rubber "brush" and got much better
results-a thinner and more even application. The foam rubber "brush" was also
easier to clean and much cheaper than a paint brush.
Give it a try.
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| Subject: | Re: 100th anniversary baby born |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
wizard-24@juno.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
> Congrats Rick! From the pic, it looks like you may be in SoCal?
>
> Mike Fortunato
> Alta Loma, CA
Yeah, west end of the Mojave desert, Lancaster's Fox Field (WJF)
Rick P.
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| Subject: | Re: 100th anniversary baby born |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
Way to go. I got mine on the 9th. Its a good feeling isn't it? But
just wait until that baby leaves the ground. You can't put it into
words.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher
<rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>
> I'm proud to announce the birth of N601ZR today.
> The inspection and registration process went so smoothly it almost
> seemed effortless.
>
> The EAA tech counselors did their 3rd and final inspection on Sunday.
> I went back out monday and spent a couple hours taking care of a few
> items they had pointed out (those extra sets of eyes are invaluable),
> then put the cowls and inspection covers back on the plane.
> Tuesday was engine run and taxi-test, my buddy Greg came along to
take
> down readings and act as ballast. The Jabiru started up easily and
runs
> s-m-o-o-t-h . The power was good, the temps were in range, everything
> was secure, so a call to ground control got us clearance to taxi
around
> the airport and a radio check of loud and clear. It was a cool day,
with
> about 15 MPH winds. We taxied around for 10 or 15 minutes checking
> toe-in, differential braking, hard turns, engine temps, etc... all
went
> well. We rolled her back in the hangar and opened her up for another
> look. No runs, no drips, no errors... "good to go" for the DAR the
next day.
> Wednesday, the DAR came out to the hangar and spent about a half hour
> with paperwork and another half hour doing a hands-on inspection. He
had
> a couple of questions, a couple of suggestions, and a few nice
> comments... but NO squawks. We exchanged paperwork and signitures
and it
> was a done deal, she's now officially an airplane. Best of all, I got
> the airworthiness certificate dated 12-17-2003, the 100 year
anniversary
> of flight.
>
> Here's a pic of the new baby:
> http://www.lightflyers.com/finished.jpg
> http://www.lightflyers.com/newhome.jpg
>
> proud father,
> Rick Pitcher
>
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Brett Ray
owner Hog Air
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| Subject: | Re: 100th anniversary baby born |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Brett Ray wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
>
> Way to go. I got mine on the 9th. Its a good feeling isn't it? But
> just wait until that baby leaves the ground. You can't put it into
> words.
I had the inspection scheduled for the 6th originally, but some new
hangar space came up out of the blue and I had to grab it or miss out.
The move set me back a few days, but the wait was worth it. <g>
I haven't been current in years so it'll be a month or two before I'm
ready to fly her. I'll get together with a couple of the EAA flight
advisors after the holidays and discuss what I'll need to do.
I've been working on it 4 or 5 days a week for a year, right now I'm
still getting used to the idea that it's done. :)
Rick P.
http://www.lightflyers.com/birthday.html
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
I am looking for a new prop for testing. I need something smaller
around 60 or 62 in. ground adjustable. I want to turn more RPM on the
motor than is safe to do with the big prop. I also need the Rotax bolt
pattern. Anybody have one for sale?
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