---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/18/03: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:01 AM - 801: Banana Slot (Scott Stout) 2. 07:13 AM - Re: 100th anniversary baby born (David Barth) 3. 07:28 AM - Re: 801: Banana Slot (Benford2@aol.com) 4. 08:01 AM - Re: 801: Banana Slot (Gary Liming) 5. 09:24 AM - Re: 801: Banana Slot (Gary Liming) 6. 10:05 AM - Re: 100th anniversary baby born (wizard-24@juno.com) 7. 11:24 AM - 601XL Flaps (_ SL _) 8. 11:38 AM - Re: 601XL Flaps (Carlos Sa) 9. 12:09 PM - Re: 100th anniversary baby born (Kevin W Bonds) 10. 12:39 PM - Re: 601XL Flaps (Mike Fothergill) 11. 01:01 PM - Cortec primer question (Jon Croke) 12. 01:29 PM - Re: 601XL Flaps (_ SL _) 13. 01:31 PM - Re: Cortec primer question (_ SL _) 14. 03:23 PM - Re: Cortec primer question (MElrod3732@aol.com) 15. 04:33 PM - Re: 100th anniversary baby born (Rick Pitcher) 16. 07:49 PM - Re: 100th anniversary baby born (Brett Ray) 17. 09:16 PM - Re: 100th anniversary baby born (Rick Pitcher) 18. 09:36 PM - Need a prop (Brett Ray) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:51 AM PST US From: Scott Stout Subject: Zenith-List: 801: Banana Slot --> Zenith-List message posted by: Scott Stout Good Morning... For those who have implemented the no banana slot flaperon hinge, where did you source your self-centering flange bearing from? What is the preference for # of bolts, 2 or 4? Thanx... -Scott ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:57 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 100th anniversary baby born --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Congratulations Rick. I guess it is time to kick the baby out of the nest to see how she flies. Take care and have a blast! David do not archive --- Rick Pitcher wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher > > > I'm proud to announce the birth of N601ZR today. > The inspection and registration process went so > smoothly it almost > seemed effortless. > ===== David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder Still making parts. Nose Ribs Done and about half the rear ribs for the wings. Stab and elevator waiting for skins. Flaps, ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection. __________________________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:31 AM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801: Banana Slot --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 12/18/2003 6:02:32 AM Mountain Standard Time, the_stouts@worldnet.att.net writes: > > Good Morning... > > For those who have implemented the no banana slot flaperon hinge, where > did you source your self-centering flange bearing from? What is the > preference for # of bolts, 2 or 4? > > Thanx... > > -Scott > > Spruce has them. Also any good bearing store in town will have them or get them overnight. They are cheap and definately the way to go. As for the number of bolts, two is more then enough. All the bearing does is stabilize the end loads. The four flaperon brackets on the wing carry most of the loading. I really believe the weak point is the splice between the inner and outer flaperons. I will look for a part number of the bearings and post them. Gary Liming has a great article on this and now that I think about it he might even have the list of parts on there too. Let me know of ya need some close up pics of how this works. Ben Haas N801BH. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:50 AM PST US From: Gary Liming Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801: Banana Slot --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Liming At 07:57 AM 12/18/2003 -0500, you wrote: >For those who have implemented the no banana slot flaperon hinge, where >did you source your self-centering flange bearing from? What is the >preference for # of bolts, 2 or 4? Hi Scott, They are bearings made by Triangle Mfg. I used the 3/4 inch nylon version, available from Aircraft Spruce, #FMN12, 93 cents each, pg 141 in current catalog. The bearing flange provides for a 2 bolt attachment. Gary Liming ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:07 AM PST US From: Gary Liming Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801: Banana Slot --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Liming Just about forgot, a page about this technique is at www.liming.org/ch801/FHNSF.html that has some photos of this bearing in place. Gary Liming ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 100th anniversary baby born From: wizard-24@juno.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com Congrats Rick! From the pic, it looks like you may be in SoCal? Mike Fortunato Alta Loma, CA do not archive > Here's a pic of the new baby: > http://www.lightflyers.com/finished.jpg > http://www.lightflyers.com/newhome.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:10 AM PST US From: "_ SL _" Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Flaps --> Zenith-List message posted by: "_ SL _" Fellow Builders: I recently happened upon a photo of a manual flap lever in the 601XL here: http://www.zenair.com/zodiac/xl/images/Flap-lever.jpg I was not aware that Zenith was looking at manual flaps for the XL. Do any of you guys with new plans have this option in your plans? This may be still in the evaluation stages, but I sure would like this over the electric flaps if it works. My plans were purchased in February of this year ('03). Thank you, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:43 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Flaps --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Hello, Scott The picture looks familiar (i.e., old). Maybe it was an early (prototype) design? Carlos do not archive > I recently happened upon a photo of a manual flap lever in the 601XL here: > > hthttp/wwwwwezenairom/zodiac/xlxlmages/Flap-lever.jpjpg> > I was not aware that Zenith was looking at manual flaps for the XL. Do any > of you guys with new plans have this option in your plans? This may be > still in the evaluation stages, but I sure would like this over the electric > flaps if it works. My plans were purchased in February of this year ('03). > > Thank you, > > Scott LaLaughlin> wwwwwocooknwithgasom > > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and > yourself. hthttp/special.msmsnom/msmsnbcoworkingmomrarmx> > hthttp/wwwwwamatronicsom/search hthttp/wwwwwamatronicsom/zenith-list hthttp/wwwwwamatronicsom/trouble-report > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:18 PM PST US From: "Kevin W Bonds" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 100th anniversary baby born --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" Congrats Rick. What a special day for you! Can't think of a better way to celebrate the first flight of the original homebuilders! Kevin Bonds Nashville Tn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Pitcher" Subject: Zenith-List: 100th anniversary baby born > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher > > I'm proud to announce the birth of N601ZR today. > The inspection and registration process went so smoothly it almost > seemed effortless. > > The EAA tech counselors did their 3rd and final inspection on Sunday. > I went back out monday and spent a couple hours taking care of a few > items they had pointed out (those extra sets of eyes are invaluable), > then put the cowls and inspection covers back on the plane. > Tuesday was engine run and taxi-test, my buddy Greg came along to take > down readings and act as ballast. The Jabiru started up easily and runs > s-m-o-o-t-h . The power was good, the temps were in range, everything > was secure, so a call to ground control got us clearance to taxi around > the airport and a radio check of loud and clear. It was a cool day, with > about 15 MPH winds. We taxied around for 10 or 15 minutes checking > toe-in, differential braking, hard turns, engine temps, etc... all went > well. We rolled her back in the hangar and opened her up for another > look. No runs, no drips, no errors... "good to go" for the DAR the next day. > Wednesday, the DAR came out to the hangar and spent about a half hour > with paperwork and another half hour doing a hands-on inspection. He had > a couple of questions, a couple of suggestions, and a few nice > comments... but NO squawks. We exchanged paperwork and signitures and it > was a done deal, she's now officially an airplane. Best of all, I got > the airworthiness certificate dated 12-17-2003, the 100 year anniversary > of flight. > > Here's a pic of the new baby: > http://www.lightflyers.com/finished.jpg > http://www.lightflyers.com/newhome.jpg > > proud father, > Rick Pitcher > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:35 PM PST US From: Mike Fothergill Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Flaps --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill Hi; That flap arrangement was only on the prototype XL. Mike CH-601HDS UHS Spinners _ SL _ wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "_ SL _" > > Fellow Builders: > > I recently happened upon a photo of a manual flap lever in the 601XL here: > > http://www.zenair.com/zodiac/xl/images/Flap-lever.jpg > > I was not aware that Zenith was looking at manual flaps for the XL. Do any > of you guys with new plans have this option in your plans? This may be > still in the evaluation stages, but I sure would like this over the electric > flaps if it works. My plans were purchased in February of this year ('03). > > Thank you, > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com > > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and > yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:52 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: Cortec primer question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" Is anyone that is using the Coretc primer having a problem similar to mine? It seems that upon application (using a brush) that the wet coating beads up and leaves a less than uniform coating on the aluminum. Using a brush to redistribute when still wet doesnt seem to help much. I have tried different degrees of thinning and cant seem to improve the situation. What is your experience using this product? Jon 701US rear fuselage almost done ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:57 PM PST US From: "_ SL _" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Flaps --> Zenith-List message posted by: "_ SL _" Thanks for all the replies. The link was from the other Zenith web site (the 640 site). I have been studying my drawings and I may try to design a flap handle similar to this: http://home-l3.tiscali.nl/~driessen2/dcp00468.jpg Location will be an issue with the center yoke, but I think I can work around that. I'll post the modifications on my web site when I get to that point. Scott Laughlin Still monkeying around with fuel tanks www.cooknwithgas.com Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:41 PM PST US From: "_ SL _" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Cortec primer question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "_ SL _" "It seems that upon application (using a brush) that the wet coating beads up and leaves a less than uniform coating on the aluminum. Using a brush to redistribute when still wet doesnt seem to help much. I have tried different degrees of thinning and cant seem to improve the situation." Make sure you clean the parts with acetone or lacquer thinner before applying the primer. It sounds like the surface may not be clean. Grab our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:11 PM PST US From: MElrod3732@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cortec primer question --> Zenith-List message posted by: MElrod3732@aol.com As a new builder of a CH 701, I had the same problem applying Cortec with an ordinary paint brush. I changed to a foam rubber "brush" and got much better results-a thinner and more even application. The foam rubber "brush" was also easier to clean and much cheaper than a paint brush. Give it a try. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:44 PM PST US From: Rick Pitcher Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 100th anniversary baby born --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher wizard-24@juno.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com > > > Congrats Rick! From the pic, it looks like you may be in SoCal? > > Mike Fortunato > Alta Loma, CA Yeah, west end of the Mojave desert, Lancaster's Fox Field (WJF) Rick P. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:52 PM PST US From: "Brett Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 100th anniversary baby born --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" Way to go. I got mine on the 9th. Its a good feeling isn't it? But just wait until that baby leaves the ground. You can't put it into words. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher > > I'm proud to announce the birth of N601ZR today. > The inspection and registration process went so smoothly it almost > seemed effortless. > > The EAA tech counselors did their 3rd and final inspection on Sunday. > I went back out monday and spent a couple hours taking care of a few > items they had pointed out (those extra sets of eyes are invaluable), > then put the cowls and inspection covers back on the plane. > Tuesday was engine run and taxi-test, my buddy Greg came along to take > down readings and act as ballast. The Jabiru started up easily and runs > s-m-o-o-t-h . The power was good, the temps were in range, everything > was secure, so a call to ground control got us clearance to taxi around > the airport and a radio check of loud and clear. It was a cool day, with > about 15 MPH winds. We taxied around for 10 or 15 minutes checking > toe-in, differential braking, hard turns, engine temps, etc... all went > well. We rolled her back in the hangar and opened her up for another > look. No runs, no drips, no errors... "good to go" for the DAR the next day. > Wednesday, the DAR came out to the hangar and spent about a half hour > with paperwork and another half hour doing a hands-on inspection. He had > a couple of questions, a couple of suggestions, and a few nice > comments... but NO squawks. We exchanged paperwork and signitures and it > was a done deal, she's now officially an airplane. Best of all, I got > the airworthiness certificate dated 12-17-2003, the 100 year anniversary > of flight. > > Here's a pic of the new baby: > http://www.lightflyers.com/finished.jpg > http://www.lightflyers.com/newhome.jpg > > proud father, > Rick Pitcher > > > _- ======================================================================= > _-> _- ======================================================================= = > _- ======================================================================= = > _- ======================================================================= = > _- ======================================================================= = > > > > > > -- Thanks Brett Ray owner Hog Air ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:55 PM PST US From: Rick Pitcher Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 100th anniversary baby born --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher Brett Ray wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" > > Way to go. I got mine on the 9th. Its a good feeling isn't it? But > just wait until that baby leaves the ground. You can't put it into > words. I had the inspection scheduled for the 6th originally, but some new hangar space came up out of the blue and I had to grab it or miss out. The move set me back a few days, but the wait was worth it. I haven't been current in years so it'll be a month or two before I'm ready to fly her. I'll get together with a couple of the EAA flight advisors after the holidays and discuss what I'll need to do. I've been working on it 4 or 5 days a week for a year, right now I'm still getting used to the idea that it's done. :) Rick P. http://www.lightflyers.com/birthday.html ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:32 PM PST US From: "Brett Ray" Subject: Zenith-List: Need a prop --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" I am looking for a new prop for testing. I need something smaller around 60 or 62 in. ground adjustable. I want to turn more RPM on the motor than is safe to do with the big prop. I also need the Rotax bolt pattern. Anybody have one for sale?