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1. 05:04 AM - Re: ch701 (ronnie wehba)
2. 05:08 AM - Rudder Peddle Breaking Off (Grant Corriveau)
3. 05:42 AM - Re: ch701 (Hal Rozema)
4. 06:59 AM - Re: ch701 Kit vs. Plans-building (_ SL _)
5. 07:31 AM - Re: ch701 Kit vs. Plans-building (Boss)
6. 08:01 AM - Compound brake bends (Jon Croke)
7. 08:21 AM - Re: ch701 Kit vs. Plans-building (_ SL _)
8. 08:29 AM - Re: Compound brake bends (_ SL _)
9. 08:47 AM - Re: Compound brake bends (Randy L. Thwing)
10. 10:28 AM - Aeroflash Strobes (Greg Ferris)
11. 12:47 PM - Re: Aeroflash Strobes (Bill Morelli)
12. 01:15 PM - Re: Aero flash Strobes (Mark Townsend)
13. 02:01 PM - Re: Aeroflash Strobes (Cleone Markwell)
14. 02:25 PM - Re: Aeroflash Strobes (The Meiste's)
15. 02:58 PM - Re: Aeroflash Strobes (Chuck Deiterich)
16. 03:40 PM - Re: Aeroflash Strobes (Gary Liming)
17. 07:57 PM - Re: Aeroflash Strobes (Greg Ferris)
18. 08:23 PM - Battery tray (Michel Therrien)
19. 08:54 PM - Re: Aeroflash Strobes (Bill Morelli)
20. 11:13 PM - Re: Aeroflash strobes (Dabusmith@aol.com)
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required 5, BAYES_00)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
yes would like a copy.,thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Stump" <kd5oeo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ch701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Stump <kd5oeo@yahoo.com>
>
> Ron,
> I'll be starting my plans built 701 after the new
> year. I'm in Albuquerque.
> Also, I've put together an Excel spreadsheet for the
> parts. I've not built from it so I am sure there are
> some errors. If you are interested, let me know.
> I'll be back after the first week of 2004.
> Best regards,
> Jack
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://photos.yahoo.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Rudder Peddle Breaking Off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
Norm,
Thanks for reporting this. Were these the original 3/8" tubes or the later
5/8" improved tubes? If these were the original version (like mine) did you
have the gussets installed? How many hours of flight time on them?
I'm in the process of making improvements/upgrades while my plane is in the
'shop' and your report is timely. I just want to know if the 'gusset' fix
recommeded by CH will do the trick or if this was a failure of that upgrade.
thanks,
Grant Corriveau
HDS/Cam100
C-GHTF
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on 12/29/03 2:58 AM, Zenith-List Digest Server at
zenith-list-digest@matronics.com wrote:
> Time: 05:04:23 PM PST US
> From: "Norm Turner" <normsflighttraining@bigpond.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Peddle Breaking Off
> Hi Group, Having just completed my round trip from Darwin to Wagga Wagga for
> the
> centenary of flight to deliver mail from the top end of Australia, a round
> flight
> of 4230 Nm and a time of 42.9Hrs. I only had one problem with the HDS and
> that was the left side left rudder peddle broke off around the weld with no
> warning while taxing
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Your positive you'd rather build for years and spend twice as much than get it
up and flying in a few hundred hours? If you can't pay for a whole kit at
once, buy component kits. Simple choice, an easy assembly and flying OR first
build the factory and the tooling then order a warehouse full of material
after looking all over the US. People who build from kits are pilots. People
who scratch build are members of the Aluminum Workers of America.
My opinion.
Multiple projects over many years.
First plane 701 wiring and plumbing engine (3300 Jab) at 700 hrs.
Hal
theplanefolks,net
ronnie wehba wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
> yes would like a copy.,thanks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack Stump" <kd5oeo@yahoo.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ch701
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Stump <kd5oeo@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Ron,
> > I'll be starting my plans built 701 after the new
> > year. I'm in Albuquerque.
> > Also, I've put together an Excel spreadsheet for the
> > parts. I've not built from it so I am sure there are
> > some errors. If you are interested, let me know.
> > I'll be back after the first week of 2004.
> > Best regards,
> > Jack
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > http://photos.yahoo.com/
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: ch701 Kit vs. Plans-building |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "_ SL _" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
<snip>
People who scratch build are members of the Aluminum Workers of America. My
opinion."
<endsnip>
Quote of the day: "Opinions are like butt holes. Everyone has one and they
all stink."
Make up your own mind. Plans-building is rewarding and challenging if
that's what you like. With plans-building, you save money if you plan well
and purchase only what you need. Kit-building can be faster, but is more
costly in terms of your pocketbook. It depends on your individual needs,
desires and abilities.
One last note for plans-building vs kit-building. It's like when you play
golf alone. Some people like to rent a cart while others like to walk.
When you walk, you have time to think about and plan your next shot. With a
cart, you rush to the ball and often rush the shot and make mistakes. Some
people like to rush through 18 holes so they can be finished. I walk,
because I can, to enjoy the experience.
Good luck with your decision,
Scott Laughlin
"Scratch" builder, 601XL/Corvair
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----Original Message Follows----
From: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ch701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Hal
theplanefolks,net
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| Subject: | Re: ch701 Kit vs. Plans-building |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Boss" <bossone@cox.net>
Want a real challenge? Design and build your own.
----- Original Message -----
From: "_ SL _" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ch701 Kit vs. Plans-building
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "_ SL _" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> <snip>
> People who scratch build are members of the Aluminum Workers of America.
My
> opinion."
> <endsnip>
>
> Quote of the day: "Opinions are like butt holes. Everyone has one and
they
> all stink."
>
> Make up your own mind. Plans-building is rewarding and challenging if
> that's what you like. With plans-building, you save money if you plan
well
> and purchase only what you need. Kit-building can be faster, but is more
> costly in terms of your pocketbook. It depends on your individual needs,
> desires and abilities.
>
> One last note for plans-building vs kit-building. It's like when you play
> golf alone. Some people like to rent a cart while others like to walk.
> When you walk, you have time to think about and plan your next shot. With
a
> cart, you rush to the ball and often rush the shot and make mistakes.
Some
> people like to rush through 18 holes so they can be finished. I walk,
> because I can, to enjoy the experience.
>
> Good luck with your decision,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> "Scratch" builder, 601XL/Corvair
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ch701
> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:39:03 -0700
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
>
> Hal
> theplanefolks,net
>
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| Subject: | Compound brake bends |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
My mystery of the day:
As I become more proficient on the sheet metal brake, it becomes clear that
there are some combinations of bends that cannot be made (I think?). For
example, on the 701 there is a part 7F10-1 (bottom channel) that consists of
a channel with flanges (total 4 bends). It is puzzling to me that this part
can be made with my simple brake, due to the interferences of the previous
bends.... How is it done?
A friend commented on my dilemna after looking over the situation by stating
that a PRESS brake could easily make the final 2 bends. Is this necessary?
You brake experts out there... enlighten us!
Thanks
Jon
701 near Green Bay
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| Subject: | Re: ch701 Kit vs. Plans-building |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "_ SL _" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
That reminds me of another quotation:
"If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the
universe." (Carl Sagan)
However, if you design an build your own airplane, you have my respect!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----Original Message Follows----
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Boss" <bossone@cox.net>
Want a real challenge? Design and build your own.
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| Subject: | Compound brake bends |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "_ SL _" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
<Snip>
"My mystery of the day:"
<Endsnip>
Jon:
A "pan" brake is used sometimes for this. It has "fingers" that are removed
to accommodate the edges that are already bent. I have made bends recently
like this with my flanging pliers on the end pieces:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/5_05_03_FlangePliers.jpg
You can also do the "forming block" method - make a small pair of blocks for
the ends, clamp the channel between them and hammer the end pieces over.
Remember to give a 10 to 15 degree angle to the blocks for "over-bend." I
use the band saw to make this angled cut. .
Glad to hear you are still making good progress Jon!
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
Expand your wine savvy and get some great new recipes at MSN Wine.
http://wine.msn.com
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| Subject: | Re: Compound brake bends |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Bend this part by working from the center outwards, do the two inner bends,
you now have a "U" shaped piece. Put the end "flange to be" of the "U"
under the brake "tongue" and bend it the reverse direction, remove, put the
other end of the "U" under the tongue and bend it also the opposite
direction.
Randy, 701 plans Las Vegas
Subject: Zenith-List: Compound brake bends
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
>
> My mystery of the day:
>
> As I become more proficient on the sheet metal brake, it becomes clear
that
> there are some combinations of bends that cannot be made (I think?). For
> example, on the 701 there is a part 7F10-1 (bottom channel) that consists
of
> a channel with flanges (total 4 bends). It is puzzling to me that this
part
> can be made with my simple brake, due to the interferences of the previous
> bends.... How is it done?
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| Subject: | Aeroflash Strobes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
I recently had one of my Aeroflash power supplies go bad after 70 hours of use.
I would like to conduct a quick poll of people who have used them to see if
they are prone to problems. I looked through the archives and saw a few cases
where capacitors went bad inside the power supplies. One person had this happen
3 times. If that's the way these work, I may just pull them out and buy Whelen.
When I called Aeroflash, the person immediatley jumped on whether the units sat
for more than a year. I had just used them a week earlier, so that wasn't the
case. However, they did sit for 3 years during the building process. She had
no opinion on whether that could have shortened the life of the unit. Does
any electrical person have a opinion on that?
To have it fixed, it will cost me $47. To fix something that lasted 70 hours.
Their warranty policy is 3 years from date of manufacture, which I am beyond.
Thanks,
Greg
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| Subject: | Aeroflash Strobes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
Greg,
I have the aeroflash strobes and have had no trouble for 299.5 flight
hours. I use them on every flight.
As to the fact that they sat for a long time causing them to fail
prematurely does not make sense to me!!!!
Regards,
Bill (N812BM - HDS - Tri - Stratus (RAM Heads) - Vermont - 299.5 flight
hrs. - 412 landings, (1 ON ICE!!)
web site -> http://homepages.together.net/~billvt/
> I recently had one of my Aeroflash power supplies go bad after 70 hours
of use. I would like to conduct a quick poll of people who have used them
to see if they are prone to problems.
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| Subject: | Aero flash Strobes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Hi Greg
The sit time before installation would not affect them, as for the
quality of the capacitors! I have heard several opinions and all were
bad. I will be using the aero flash strobes as well but will be carrying
a 10 dollar replacement capacitor. You should be able to get a better
quality replacement at your local electronics store, and no, not radio
shack.
Mark Townsend
601XL EA-82MPFI Turbo
Alma, Ontario
-----Original Message-----
I recently had one of my Aeroflash power supplies go bad after 70 hours
of use. I would like to conduct a quick poll of people who have used
them to see if they are prone to problems. I looked through the
archives and saw a few cases where capacitors went bad inside the power
supplies. One person had this happen 3 times. If that's the way these
work, I may just pull them out and buy Whelen.
When I called Aeroflash, the person immediatley jumped on whether the
units sat for more than a year. I had just used them a week earlier, so
that wasn't the case. However, they did sit for 3 years during the
building process. She had no opinion on whether that could have
shortened the life of the unit. Does any electrical person have a
opinion on that?
To have it fixed, it will cost me $47. To fix something that lasted 70
hours. Their warranty policy is 3 years from date of manufacture, which
I am beyond.
Thanks,
Greg
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroflash Strobes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Gregg, mine are still going strong after 2 years and 240 hrs. Cleone
At 12:24 PM 12/29/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
>
>I recently had one of my Aeroflash power supplies go bad after 70 hours of
>use. I would like to conduct a quick poll of people who have used them to
>see if they are prone to problems. I looked through the archives and saw a
>few cases where capacitors went bad inside the power supplies. One person
>had this happen 3 times. If that's the way these work, I may just pull them
>out and buy Whelen.
>
>When I called Aeroflash, the person immediatley jumped on whether the units
>sat for more than a year. I had just used them a week earlier, so that
>wasn't the case. However, they did sit for 3 years during the building
>process. She had no opinion on whether that could have shortened the life
>of the unit. Does any electrical person have a opinion on that?
>
>To have it fixed, it will cost me $47. To fix something that lasted 70
>hours. Their warranty policy is 3 years from date of manufacture, which I
>am beyond.
>
>Thanks,
>Greg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroflash Strobes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
> I recently had one of my Aeroflash power supplies go bad after 70 hours of
use. I would like to conduct a quick poll of people who have used them to
see if they are prone to problems
Greg,
One of mine died after approx 20 hours of flight time.
FWIF mine also sat unused for 3 years as I was building.
Kelly Meiste
601 HD 70 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroflash Strobes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
These capacitors are electrolytic and will go bad over time (years) whether
in use or not. I have had my Aeroflashes for almost 4 years and started
them last summer. I would expect that they may be running them close to
the voltage limit or they could be just inconstant and/or of poor quality.
Before I sent them back I would drill out the rivets and change out the
capacitor, keep the microfarads (capacitance) close to the same but a higher
voltage rating is OK, if not better.
Chuck D.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Morelli <billvt@together.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Aeroflash Strobes
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
>
> Greg,
>
> I have the aeroflash strobes and have had no trouble for 299.5 flight
> hours. I use them on every flight.
>
> As to the fact that they sat for a long time causing them to fail
> prematurely does not make sense to me!!!!
>
> Regards,
> Bill (N812BM - HDS - Tri - Stratus (RAM Heads) - Vermont - 299.5
flight
> hrs. - 412 landings, (1 ON ICE!!)
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroflash Strobes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org>
I will be using the Aeroflash strobes, too.
At 04:54 PM 12/29/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> I would drill out the rivets and change out the
>capacitor, keep the microfarads (capacitance) close to the same but a higher
>voltage rating is OK, if not better.
Agreed. If anyone who does this using new capacitors that are a higher
voltage rating, higher quality, same capacitance, and still fits inside the
unit, would you please post a source and part number? I would appreciate
so I can put a couple in my on board flight kit.
Thanks,
Gary Liming
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroflash Strobes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
Thanks for all of the feedback. I will head down this path and let everyone
know what capacitor (source & part number) I end up replacing the one that
is in there with unless someone else posts something first.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Liming" <gary@liming.org>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aeroflash Strobes
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Liming <gary@liming.org>
>
> I will be using the Aeroflash strobes, too.
>
> At 04:54 PM 12/29/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > I would drill out the rivets and change out the
> >capacitor, keep the microfarads (capacitance) close to the same but a
higher
> >voltage rating is OK, if not better.
>
> Agreed. If anyone who does this using new capacitors that are a higher
> voltage rating, higher quality, same capacitance, and still fits inside
the
> unit, would you please post a source and part number? I would appreciate
> so I can put a couple in my on board flight kit.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary Liming
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Hello group!
It's been a while since I've been active here... that
MBA program is even more demanding than I expected!
For the first time since August 22, I worked on the
plane today. I assembled a new distributor for my
EA-81 engine (a Hitachi with Mitsubishi integrated
pickups/control modules).
Now, I am thinking about my battery installation and
was wondering if anyone here would have done the
design I need. I want to put two RG batteries (12V,
17AH) on a single tray in the fuselage (behind first
stiffener). I want that tray to be mounted from
underneath the plane and attached with AN525 screws.
Did anyone here designed such an installation? If so,
can you provide design information or drawings? I'm
interested in the battery tray and the re-inforcement
of the fuselage bottom.
So far, I drew some unsatisfactory sketches and I have
Grant Corriveau's drawings (but he accesses the
batteries from above).
Thanks! and happy new year to everybody!
Michel
=====
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroflash Strobes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
Greg,
Keep in mind if the capacitors are in fact the electrolytic type, they are
polarity sensitive so only go in one way. They will usually be marked with
a + or a stripe on the positive end.
Regards,
Bill
> Thanks for all of the feedback. I will head down this path and let
everyone
> know what capacitor (source & part number) I end up replacing the one that
> is in there with unless someone else posts something first.
>
> Greg
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroflash strobes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
> I recently had one of my Aeroflash power supplies go bad after 70 hours
of use. I would like to conduct a quick poll of people who have used them
to see if they are prone to problems.
I have had one power supply go bad and one flash tube. They charged me $59.08
to fix my power supply. They sent it back C.O.D. The lady told me it was my
fault because the instructions included with the new units call out to apply
half voltage at first start up. It didn't matter those instructions were not
included with our units. They were doing me a favor because mine was out of
warranty. What warranty? I don't know if the other suppliers are any better but
I
am done with Aeroflash.
Dave Smith
N701XL 58.8 hr. loving it!
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