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1. 12:21 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 03:53 AM - Re: ch701 (ronnie wehba)
3. 07:37 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/01/04 (Thomas F Marson)
4. 09:08 AM - Subaru engines (Trampas)
5. 10:30 AM - Re: Subaru engines (Thomas F Marson)
6. 11:45 AM - Full lotus for 701? (Tebenkof@aol.com)
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required 5, BAYES_00)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
in sweetwater 400 miles east of el paso, but I have a friend that has a
RV-4, maybe I can talk him into a quick trip soon?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fritz Wagoner" <fwagoner@zianet.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: ch701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fritz Wagoner" <fwagoner@zianet.com>
>
> Hi Ronnie,
>
> How far west are you in west Texas? We have a 701 kit and 701 scratch
built
> going on in Las Cruces, NM.
>
> Carpi Airplaneium...
> Fritz Wagoner
> VP-1 NX68FW
> Las Cruces, NM USA
> http://www.zianet.com/fwagoner
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ronnie wehba
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: ch701
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
> decided today to order the info pack, Really like the plane and after
> looking at all the pictures on the website "WOW" gonna build one, so any
> thing that may help me in doing a plans built please reply either here or
> direct,,,"have lots of experience with plans 2-planes and lots of other
> stuff being a contractor. I AM READY.as far as the engine, maybe a
> sub/redrive or a geo/redrive, I am in west texas. Thanks guys!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/01/04 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
Herb with regard to your Zenith XL -- Subaru plans. I understand your
statement of Rockies and help to mean you need abilty to operate at higher
altitudes. Be sure you talk to lots of people who have used the Subaru for
aircraft power. I know several who were disappointed with the power output
as it was not near what they expected. I know 2 who were so disappointed
that they took the engines out and put others in the plane. That is a lot
of work and money--- so you know they were really seriously unhappy with the
engines output. Also the issue is not only power but weight of the engine.
Subs tend to be heavy.
For your high altitude work the Rotax 912S or 914 would have a much better
power to weight ratio. Also I see that the Jab 3300 is now being listed by
lots of users (even ZAC) as 105 Hp. I have a friend with one and he swears
there is no way its performance is what one should expect from the
optimistic number Jab says of 120 hp. Part of that reason is that it
usually cant be propped correctly to get the 3300 rpms to climb in lots of
planes. It seems to work best with very slick and small frontal area planes
that are capableof 170 mph cruise. Even then it would seem that if that very
slick plane that cruises at 170 mph will be propped for 170- full throttle-
3300 rpm. It will turn a lot slower at takeoff of 75 to 80 mph.
Maybe this is more than you want to know but hope it helps. Tom Marson
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Subject: Zenith-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/01/04
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> 1. 07:32 AM - Web site update and ignition (Michel Therrien)
> 2. 09:46 AM - XL/Subaru Combination HOPEFUL (hafiske@earthlink.net)
> 3. 09:50 AM - Re: XL/Subaru Combination HOPEFUL (Ray Montagne)
> 4. 11:18 AM - Re: Rudder hinge plates 701 (Kevin W Bonds)
> 5. 11:47 AM - Re: Rudder hinge plates 701 (jnbolding1)
> 6. 05:37 PM - ch701 (ronnie wehba)
> 7. 08:45 PM - Re: ch701 (Fritz Wagoner)
> 8. 09:39 PM - unlist at clydes-shop@juno.com (Clyde D. Ehlers)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
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>
>
> Time: 07:32:42 AM PST US
> From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Web site update and ignition
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
> First, I would like to thank everyone who helped me
> with the battery installation and especially Larry who
> actually answered my inquiry.
>
> A few people asked me for more information on my
> distributor conversion... so here it is, I updated my
> web site with details of the conversion process for
> the Hitachi/Mitsubishi distributor. I already had
> details for the Nippodenso/GM setup.
>
> So, enjoy!
>
> And I wish a happy new year to everyone!
>
> Michel
>
>
> =====
> ----------------------------
> Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
> http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
> http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
>
> __________________________________
> http://search.yahoo.com/top2003
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
>
> Time: 09:46:39 AM PST US
> From: hafiske@earthlink.net
> Subject: Zenith-List: XL/Subaru Combination HOPEFUL
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: hafiske@earthlink.net
>
> I am trying to figure out if a Subaru powered XL will work for me. So I
need to
> find some weight at the wheels in a tricycle set up.
>
> I fly in the mountains (Rockies) so I need all the help I can get. And I
am flying
> on a special issuance medical so I have to look forward to the LSA/SP that
> hopefully coming soon. As an experimental I don't think I'd have a
problem
> with a Sub4 or EA81 Turbo and a partial IFR panel (many black holes in
this country
> at night)
>
> In the future, with a prop changed to a fixed pitch, could I get a couple
of 200#
> guys and 24 gal of fuel and stay under the proposed 1232# gross limit of
the
> LSA/SP
>
> So if you know what the weight at the wheels are with which engine and
accessories
> it would sure help in my planning and figuring out a tentative weight and
> balance for my project
>
> Thanks
>
> Herb
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
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>
>
> Time: 09:50:27 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL/Subaru Combination HOPEFUL
> From: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
>
> On 1/1/04 9:46 AM, "hafiske@earthlink.net" <hafiske@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: hafiske@earthlink.net
> >
> > And I am
> > flying on a special issuance medical so I have to look forward to the
LSA/SP
> > that hopefully coming soon. As an experimental I don't think I'd have a
> > problem with a Sub4 or EA81 Turbo and a partial IFR panel (many black
holes in
> > this country at night)
> >
>
> Hi Herb,
>
> Please take note that under LSA/SP that you'll not be able to fly at
> night...
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Best Regards, Ray Montagne
> Cupertino, CA
>
>
===========================================================================
>
> Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL, Jabiru 3300
> Construction Log & Photos: <http://home.earthlink.net/~ac6qj/zodiac>
> Build Status: Rudder completed
> Elevator Completed
> Stabilizer Completed
> Flaps Completed
> Ailerons Completed
> Right Wing Completed
> Right Wing Tip Completed
> Left Wing Completed
> Right Wing Tip Under Construction
>
> NOTE: Heavy SPAM filters in place. Replies that do not include
> the word 'Zenith' or 'Zodiac' will be rejected and will not
> be viewable by me.
>
>
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>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
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>
>
> Time: 11:18:28 AM PST US
> From: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder hinge plates 701
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
>
> Hello Roy
>
> I've been wanting to ask one of you 701/Vair guys about the weight issue.
> The Corvair will probably be over the 200# max stated by ZAC. Are you
> planning on dumping the starter and maybe going with the big bore kit
(less
> weight more horses)? I am planning an XL/Vair myself but, would like to
> take advantage of the short field capabilities and new bubble doors (I'm a
> photographer) of the 701. Maybe I'll just have to build two!
>
> Kevin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "roy vickski" <rvickski@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder hinge plates 701
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski <rvickski@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I experienced twist caused by the top skin not being
> > congruent about the centerline of the skin. I caught
> > this in the cleco stage. I layed out another skin and
> > made sure it was exact. the twist can be due to any of
> > the skins ,sides not being exactly the same, top or
> > bottom skin not congruent, or the ends not properly in
> > line. Once it is rivited it is extremely stout axially
> > and a small ammount can be compensated for by rudder
> > hinge placement and horizontal stab bracket
> > adjustment. Level the fuse at the rear wing attach
> > points and drop a plumb bob from the top rudder hinge
> > to see where you're at, if the hinges wont attach
> > safely to the longerons and maintain a purpendicular
> > relationship to the wing then look closely at the
> > skins.
> > hope this helps.
> > Roy Szarafinski
> > 701sp, plans, corvair
> > fuse complete aside from cabin frame
> > tail feathers complete
> > front and rear gear fabbed (and proud of it)
> > all ribs and 1 wing spar complete
> > welding fuel tanks this week
> >
> > __________________________________
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
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>
>
> Time: 11:47:12 AM PST US
> From: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder hinge plates 701
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
>
>
> >I've been wanting to ask one of you 701/Vair guys about the weight issue.
> >The Corvair will probably be over the 200# max stated by ZAC. Are you
> >planning on dumping the starter and maybe going with the big bore kit
(less
> >weight more horses)? I am planning an XL/Vair myself but, would like to
> >take advantage of the short field capabilities and new bubble doors (I'm
a
> >photographer) of the 701.>
> >Kevin
>
> >> Roy Szarafinski
> >> 701sp, plans, corvair
>
>
> I wrote Chris a letter about 3 mo ago ( he's alergic to email I think)
concerning
> the fact that several 701s with 0-200s are flying which will be the same
weight
> as the Corvair, and several with Subarus which are heavier. his reply was
> to build the airframe as per the plans and put the Corvair in it, no
airframe
> mods. You still have to respect the gross weight. so whatever payload you
have
> left you have to live with, I just CAN'T put out $10K of hard earned money
> for a small engine thats turning almost 6000 rpm to get the power. All
you Rotax
> guys calm down, the engine has a very good record it's just my choice ,
> this is my 4th airplane and I like doing things a little different..
Alum
> cyls are also an option but the fellow that LN Engineering has chosen to
help
> with Corvair development says it's a year off. Ive got another engine so
maybe
> I'll build up two. LOW&SLOW John Bolding
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
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>
>
> Time: 05:37:31 PM PST US
> From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: ch701
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
> decided today to order the info pack, Really like the plane and after
looking at
> all the pictures on the website "WOW" gonna build one, so any thing that
may
> help me in doing a plans built please reply either here or direct,,,"have
lots
> of experience with plans 2-planes and lots of other stuff being a
contractor.
> I AM READY.as far as the engine, maybe a sub/redrive or a geo/redrive, I
am
> in west texas. Thanks guys!
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:45:02 PM PST US
> From: "Fritz Wagoner" <fwagoner@zianet.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: ch701
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fritz Wagoner" <fwagoner@zianet.com>
>
> Hi Ronnie,
>
> How far west are you in west Texas? We have a 701 kit and 701 scratch
built
> going on in Las Cruces, NM.
>
> Carpi Airplaneium...
> Fritz Wagoner
> VP-1 NX68FW
> Las Cruces, NM USA
> http://www.zianet.com/fwagoner
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ronnie wehba
> Subject: Zenith-List: ch701
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
> decided today to order the info pack, Really like the plane and after
> looking at all the pictures on the website "WOW" gonna build one, so any
> thing that may help me in doing a plans built please reply either here or
> direct,,,"have lots of experience with plans 2-planes and lots of other
> stuff being a contractor. I AM READY.as far as the engine, maybe a
> sub/redrive or a geo/redrive, I am in west texas. Thanks guys!
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:39:17 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: unlist at clydes-shop@juno.com
> From: "Clyde D. Ehlers" <clydes-shop@juno.com>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde D. Ehlers"
<clydes-shop@juno.com>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
I know very little about Subaru engines for planes, however the guys at
crossflow do... www.crossflow.com
Regards,
Trampas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas F Marson
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/01/04
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson"
<tmarson@pressenter.com>
Herb with regard to your Zenith XL -- Subaru plans. I understand your
statement of Rockies and help to mean you need abilty to operate at higher
altitudes. Be sure you talk to lots of people who have used the Subaru for
aircraft power. I know several who were disappointed with the power output
as it was not near what they expected. I know 2 who were so disappointed
that they took the engines out and put others in the plane. That is a lot
of work and money--- so you know they were really seriously unhappy with the
engines output. Also the issue is not only power but weight of the engine.
Subs tend to be heavy.
For your high altitude work the Rotax 912S or 914 would have a much better
power to weight ratio. Also I see that the Jab 3300 is now being listed by
lots of users (even ZAC) as 105 Hp. I have a friend with one and he swears
there is no way its performance is what one should expect from the
optimistic number Jab says of 120 hp. Part of that reason is that it
usually cant be propped correctly to get the 3300 rpms to climb in lots of
planes. It seems to work best with very slick and small frontal area planes
that are capableof 170 mph cruise. Even then it would seem that if that very
slick plane that cruises at 170 mph will be propped for 170- full throttle-
3300 rpm. It will turn a lot slower at takeoff of 75 to 80 mph.
Maybe this is more than you want to know but hope it helps. Tom Marson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zenith-List Digest Server" <zenith-list-digest@matronics.com>
Subject: Zenith-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/01/04
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> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 07:32 AM - Web site update and ignition (Michel Therrien)
> 2. 09:46 AM - XL/Subaru Combination HOPEFUL (hafiske@earthlink.net)
> 3. 09:50 AM - Re: XL/Subaru Combination HOPEFUL (Ray Montagne)
> 4. 11:18 AM - Re: Rudder hinge plates 701 (Kevin W Bonds)
> 5. 11:47 AM - Re: Rudder hinge plates 701 (jnbolding1)
> 6. 05:37 PM - ch701 (ronnie wehba)
> 7. 08:45 PM - Re: ch701 (Fritz Wagoner)
> 8. 09:39 PM - unlist at clydes-shop@juno.com (Clyde D. Ehlers)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
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>
>
> Time: 07:32:42 AM PST US
> From: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Web site update and ignition
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
> First, I would like to thank everyone who helped me
> with the battery installation and especially Larry who
> actually answered my inquiry.
>
> A few people asked me for more information on my
> distributor conversion... so here it is, I updated my
> web site with details of the conversion process for
> the Hitachi/Mitsubishi distributor. I already had
> details for the Nippodenso/GM setup.
>
> So, enjoy!
>
> And I wish a happy new year to everyone!
>
> Michel
>
>
> =====
> ----------------------------
> Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
> http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
> http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
>
> __________________________________
> http://search.yahoo.com/top2003
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
>
> Time: 09:46:39 AM PST US
> From: hafiske@earthlink.net
> Subject: Zenith-List: XL/Subaru Combination HOPEFUL
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: hafiske@earthlink.net
>
> I am trying to figure out if a Subaru powered XL will work for me. So I
need to
> find some weight at the wheels in a tricycle set up.
>
> I fly in the mountains (Rockies) so I need all the help I can get. And I
am flying
> on a special issuance medical so I have to look forward to the LSA/SP that
> hopefully coming soon. As an experimental I don't think I'd have a
problem
> with a Sub4 or EA81 Turbo and a partial IFR panel (many black holes in
this country
> at night)
>
> In the future, with a prop changed to a fixed pitch, could I get a couple
of 200#
> guys and 24 gal of fuel and stay under the proposed 1232# gross limit of
the
> LSA/SP
>
> So if you know what the weight at the wheels are with which engine and
accessories
> it would sure help in my planning and figuring out a tentative weight and
> balance for my project
>
> Thanks
>
> Herb
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:50:27 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL/Subaru Combination HOPEFUL
> From: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
>
> On 1/1/04 9:46 AM, "hafiske@earthlink.net" <hafiske@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: hafiske@earthlink.net
> >
> > And I am
> > flying on a special issuance medical so I have to look forward to the
LSA/SP
> > that hopefully coming soon. As an experimental I don't think I'd have a
> > problem with a Sub4 or EA81 Turbo and a partial IFR panel (many black
holes in
> > this country at night)
> >
>
> Hi Herb,
>
> Please take note that under LSA/SP that you'll not be able to fly at
> night...
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Best Regards, Ray Montagne
> Cupertino, CA
>
>
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> Build Status: Rudder completed
> Elevator Completed
> Stabilizer Completed
> Flaps Completed
> Ailerons Completed
> Right Wing Completed
> Right Wing Tip Completed
> Left Wing Completed
> Right Wing Tip Under Construction
>
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> ________________________________ Message 4
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>
> Time: 11:18:28 AM PST US
> From: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder hinge plates 701
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
>
> Hello Roy
>
> I've been wanting to ask one of you 701/Vair guys about the weight issue.
> The Corvair will probably be over the 200# max stated by ZAC. Are you
> planning on dumping the starter and maybe going with the big bore kit
(less
> weight more horses)? I am planning an XL/Vair myself but, would like to
> take advantage of the short field capabilities and new bubble doors (I'm a
> photographer) of the 701. Maybe I'll just have to build two!
>
> Kevin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "roy vickski" <rvickski@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder hinge plates 701
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski <rvickski@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I experienced twist caused by the top skin not being
> > congruent about the centerline of the skin. I caught
> > this in the cleco stage. I layed out another skin and
> > made sure it was exact. the twist can be due to any of
> > the skins ,sides not being exactly the same, top or
> > bottom skin not congruent, or the ends not properly in
> > line. Once it is rivited it is extremely stout axially
> > and a small ammount can be compensated for by rudder
> > hinge placement and horizontal stab bracket
> > adjustment. Level the fuse at the rear wing attach
> > points and drop a plumb bob from the top rudder hinge
> > to see where you're at, if the hinges wont attach
> > safely to the longerons and maintain a purpendicular
> > relationship to the wing then look closely at the
> > skins.
> > hope this helps.
> > Roy Szarafinski
> > 701sp, plans, corvair
> > fuse complete aside from cabin frame
> > tail feathers complete
> > front and rear gear fabbed (and proud of it)
> > all ribs and 1 wing spar complete
> > welding fuel tanks this week
> >
> > __________________________________
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
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>
>
> Time: 11:47:12 AM PST US
> From: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder hinge plates 701
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
>
>
> >I've been wanting to ask one of you 701/Vair guys about the weight issue.
> >The Corvair will probably be over the 200# max stated by ZAC. Are you
> >planning on dumping the starter and maybe going with the big bore kit
(less
> >weight more horses)? I am planning an XL/Vair myself but, would like to
> >take advantage of the short field capabilities and new bubble doors (I'm
a
> >photographer) of the 701.>
> >Kevin
>
> >> Roy Szarafinski
> >> 701sp, plans, corvair
>
>
> I wrote Chris a letter about 3 mo ago ( he's alergic to email I think)
concerning
> the fact that several 701s with 0-200s are flying which will be the same
weight
> as the Corvair, and several with Subarus which are heavier. his reply was
> to build the airframe as per the plans and put the Corvair in it, no
airframe
> mods. You still have to respect the gross weight. so whatever payload you
have
> left you have to live with, I just CAN'T put out $10K of hard earned money
> for a small engine thats turning almost 6000 rpm to get the power. All
you Rotax
> guys calm down, the engine has a very good record it's just my choice ,
> this is my 4th airplane and I like doing things a little different..
Alum
> cyls are also an option but the fellow that LN Engineering has chosen to
help
> with Corvair development says it's a year off. Ive got another engine so
maybe
> I'll build up two. LOW&SLOW John Bolding
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
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>
>
> Time: 05:37:31 PM PST US
> From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: ch701
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
> decided today to order the info pack, Really like the plane and after
looking at
> all the pictures on the website "WOW" gonna build one, so any thing that
may
> help me in doing a plans built please reply either here or direct,,,"have
lots
> of experience with plans 2-planes and lots of other stuff being a
contractor.
> I AM READY.as far as the engine, maybe a sub/redrive or a geo/redrive, I
am
> in west texas. Thanks guys!
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
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>
>
> Time: 08:45:02 PM PST US
> From: "Fritz Wagoner" <fwagoner@zianet.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: ch701
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fritz Wagoner" <fwagoner@zianet.com>
>
> Hi Ronnie,
>
> How far west are you in west Texas? We have a 701 kit and 701 scratch
built
> going on in Las Cruces, NM.
>
> Carpi Airplaneium...
> Fritz Wagoner
> VP-1 NX68FW
> Las Cruces, NM USA
> http://www.zianet.com/fwagoner
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ronnie wehba
> Subject: Zenith-List: ch701
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
> decided today to order the info pack, Really like the plane and after
> looking at all the pictures on the website "WOW" gonna build one, so any
> thing that may help me in doing a plans built please reply either here or
> direct,,,"have lots of experience with plans 2-planes and lots of other
> stuff being a contractor. I AM READY.as far as the engine, maybe a
> sub/redrive or a geo/redrive, I am in west texas. Thanks guys!
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
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>
>
> Time: 09:39:17 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: unlist at clydes-shop@juno.com
> From: "Clyde D. Ehlers" <clydes-shop@juno.com>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Clyde D. Ehlers"
<clydes-shop@juno.com>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Subaru engines |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Subaru engines
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
>
> I know very little about Subaru engines for planes, however the guys at
> crossflow do... www.crossflow.com
>
> Regards,
> Trampas
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas F
Marson
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 01/01/04
>
>
I checked out their website----- very impressivly done. The smallest engine
package they provide is 180 hp. It looks from their pictures that they
concentrate on a gear driven PSRU mated to the larger Suraru engines. Tom
Marson
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| Subject: | Full lotus for 701? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
Any 701 float flyers out there who have mounted (or considered) Full Lotus
floats as an aternative to the Czech Aluminum? I would like to build my 701 as
a taildragger, convertible to amphibs. The full lotus seem to be available
with an amphibious float version not requiring the Zenith nosewheel for
steering. Any ideas about strengths, weaknesses, mounting issues, or whether this
is
just a plane crazy idea?
Jim Greenough
701 20%/Tualatin OR
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