Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:56 AM - Re: engines (ronnie wehba)
2. 06:16 AM - Re: 601 fairings under hstab (Peter Chapman)
3. 09:09 AM - Re: Roll-Bar (ALEMBIC7@aol.com)
4. 02:11 PM - OT -- Scorpion Helicopter (wizard-24@juno.com)
5. 03:11 PM - Re: OT -- Scorpion Helicopter (Larry McFarland)
6. 03:59 PM - Re: OT -- Scorpion Helicopter (Keith Ashcraft)
7. 04:43 PM - Re: OT -- Scorpion Helicopter (ronnie wehba)
8. 04:56 PM - Re: revits (Tim & Diane Shankland)
9. 05:13 PM - Re: revits (ronnie wehba)
10. 05:55 PM - Re: Roll-Bar (Jeff Reuschle)
11. 09:37 PM - Re: engines (Bob Reinero)
12. 09:59 PM - build order wings or fuselage (Eric Tauch)
13. 10:22 PM - Re: build order wings or fuselage (Greg Ferris)
14. 10:23 PM - MAC Wing Walk (Greg Ferris)
15. 10:47 PM - Re: build order wings or fuselage (Bryan Martin)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
will order plans next week, have already built a minimax and a airbike,so i
am looking forward to a sheet metal plane.just cannot will not afford a big
rotax.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: engines
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
>
> How close are you to being done?
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> >
> > besides the larger rotax what are the better choices of engines for
> the 701? anyone using anything from raven redrives"geo,suzuki? thanks
> >
> >
> > _-
> =======================================================================
> > > _-
> =======================================================================
> > > _-
> =======================================================================
> > > _-
> =======================================================================
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- Thanks
> Brett Ray
> owner Hog Air
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 fairings under hstab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Chapman <pchapman@ionsys.com>
At 21:53 05-01-04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
>Has anyone designed / built any fairings to seal the gap between the
>fuse / upper longerons and the horizontal stabilizer? If so did you
The "tail fairing" photos half way down this page in my website shows one
possible method:
http://web.ionsys.com/~pchapman/pmc_zdc_photos_construction.htm
The photos include construction details. No idea about effect on performance.
A number of others have done similar things. Gary Hornbeck's 601 has a
sloped fairing, more like a wing root fairing in style.
Peter Chapman
Toronto, ON 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ALEMBIC7@aol.com
Jeff,
Is it safe to assume from your PS that these engine outs were not with the
912S? What engine(s) was it?
Steve
701, trying to pick an engine
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| Subject: | OT -- Scorpion Helicopter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
Sorry for the off-topic question, but I'm hoping someone out there can
redirect me...
I have an opportunity to buy a Scorpion One helicopter, complete and
supposedly runs and has the required upgrades, for $8,000. Can anyone out
there tell me if that's a good deal or not? Or is there someplace else I
can check who knows about these helicopters?
Thanks,
Mike Fortunato
wizard-24@juno.com
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| Subject: | Re: OT -- Scorpion Helicopter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: OT -- Scorpion Helicopter
> Sorry for the off-topic question, but I'm hoping someone out there can
> redirect me...
>
> I have an opportunity to buy a Scorpion One helicopter, complete and
> supposedly runs and has the required upgrades, for $8,000. Can anyone out
> there tell me if that's a good deal or not? Or is there someplace else I
> can check who knows about these helicopters?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Fortunato
> wizard-24@juno.com
Mike,
You probably could get the information you need from the Rotorway Company
that
makes the current Exec 162. This company, I believe is offshoot of the
original which
distributed Scorpion Kits. Early Scorpions had an engine which was not
aircraft, but
oddly an Evenrude V or something like that. If parts were the only problem,
I'd say that
the $8000. is a good deal if the hours on it are not runout.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland - 602HDS
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: OT -- Scorpion Helicopter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Hi Mike,
The upgrade should be the new *//*
<http://www.nvo.com/rnenterprises/brochure2/>*//*
<http://www.nvo.com/rnenterprises/brochure2/>Elastomeric Rotor Hub. This
is a new bearing setup that is better than the original. Also, see what
engine it has. The ship is a heavy built ship that is strong but lacks
power/per/weight ratio. I can e-mail you off line and give you a bunch
of links and info on The Scorpion and other single place and two place
birds. I have plans for both the Scorpion II and Scorpion-133. Slight
difference. The 133 uses the RW-133 engine (in reality a Volkswagon
--yes Volkswagon--133h.p. engine)
Keith
CH701
Tail 98% complete -- kit
all else -- scratch
178% left to go!!!
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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wizard-24@juno.com wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
>Sorry for the off-topic question, but I'm hoping someone out there can
>redirect me...
>
>I have an opportunity to buy a Scorpion One helicopter, complete and
>supposedly runs and has the required upgrades, for $8,000. Can anyone out
>there tell me if that's a good deal or not? Or is there someplace else I
>can check who knows about these helicopters?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike Fortunato
>wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT -- Scorpion Helicopter |
required 5, BAYES_00)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
it is sure old being a scoprion
----- Original Message -----
From: <wizard-24@juno.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: OT -- Scorpion Helicopter
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
> Sorry for the off-topic question, but I'm hoping someone out there can
> redirect me...
>
> I have an opportunity to buy a Scorpion One helicopter, complete and
> supposedly runs and has the required upgrades, for $8,000. Can anyone out
> there tell me if that's a good deal or not? Or is there someplace else I
> can check who knows about these helicopters?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Fortunato
> wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net>
A little aside to the English made rivet business. When I bought mine
from a local distributor and asked about where they were made he
informed me that Textron had outsourced all their production the England
so any of them you buy are made in the English plant.
Tim Shankland
Monty Graves wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
>
>Here is a post by our own Carlos Sa back in Dec 01 on the Matronics list.
>I Ordered my rivets from this source which are the same English made rivets
>Zenith sells and advocates in their kits. Last year, and with the $30+
>UPS import fee, they were still around 3.5 cents per rivet in US currency.
>They took my credit card order, and shipped UPS... The exchange rate, will
>of course vary. They will ask you if you have contacted the Textron Div
>in the US, and SAY YES, but they wont sell the English rivets. Which they
>don't. No hassle no fuss. On 8000 rivets thats a savings of around $500
>
>Thank you Carlos Sa for posting this info...
>
>
>http://www.avdel.textron.com/brochures/breakstem/html_tables/avex_1604.htm
>
>Monty
>=====================
>
>Date:
> Dec 11, 2001
>
>From:
> Carlos Sa <wings1@videotron.ca>
>
>Subject:
> Re: Avdel Rivets
>
>
> > BTW does anyone have a link for more rivets cheap?
>
> I ordered by phone from Avdel:
> Avdel Division of Textron Canada Limited
> 87 Disco Road
> Rexdale, Ontario M9W 1M3
> Telephone: 1-800-268-9947 or (416) 679-0622
> Facsimile: 1-800-594-7661 or (416) 679-0678
> sales@avdeltextron.ca
>
> You will need the part numbers:
> A4 (1/4") 01604-00412
> A5 (5/32") 01604-00514
>
> prices for 1000:
> A4 CDN$46.32
> A5 CDN$56.10
>
> Carlos
>
>
>==========================================
>
>
>At 09:05 PM 1/4/04 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter"
>>
>>
><jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
>
>
>>Check the www.rivetsplus.com. They seem to have a good price if you are
>>buying more than 600.
>>Jarek
>>CH701, forming parts
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Zenith-List: revits
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>>>
>>>been looking for a good buy on the blind revits,avdel avex, is this a
>>>
>>>
>>brand name or type?, found avdel but what is AVEX? and the a4 and a5 on the
>>701 mat.list is that there way of sizing?, thanks guys
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
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required 5, BAYES_00, WANTS_CREDIT_CARD)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
just what makes the revits in the zenith A/C so special?, or am i missing
something here???, thanks ron in tx.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim & Diane Shankland" <tshank@megsinet.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: revits
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland
<tshank@megsinet.net>
>
> A little aside to the English made rivet business. When I bought mine
> from a local distributor and asked about where they were made he
> informed me that Textron had outsourced all their production the England
> so any of them you buy are made in the English plant.
>
> Tim Shankland
>
> Monty Graves wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
> >
> >Here is a post by our own Carlos Sa back in Dec 01 on the Matronics list.
> >I Ordered my rivets from this source which are the same English made
rivets
> >Zenith sells and advocates in their kits. Last year, and with the $30+
> >UPS import fee, they were still around 3.5 cents per rivet in US
currency.
> >They took my credit card order, and shipped UPS... The exchange rate,
will
> >of course vary. They will ask you if you have contacted the Textron
Div
> >in the US, and SAY YES, but they wont sell the English rivets. Which
they
> >don't. No hassle no fuss. On 8000 rivets thats a savings of around
$500
> >
> >Thank you Carlos Sa for posting this info...
> >
> >
>
>http://www.avdel.textron.com/brochures/breakstem/html_tables/avex_1604.htm
> >
> >Monty
> >=====================
> >
> >Date:
> > Dec 11, 2001
> >
> >From:
> > Carlos Sa <wings1@videotron.ca>
> >
> >Subject:
> > Re: Avdel Rivets
> >
> >
> > > BTW does anyone have a link for more rivets cheap?
> >
> > I ordered by phone from Avdel:
> > Avdel Division of Textron Canada Limited
> > 87 Disco Road
> > Rexdale, Ontario M9W 1M3
> > Telephone: 1-800-268-9947 or (416) 679-0622
> > Facsimile: 1-800-594-7661 or (416) 679-0678
> > sales@avdeltextron.ca
> >
> > You will need the part numbers:
> > A4 (1/4") 01604-00412
> > A5 (5/32") 01604-00514
> >
> > prices for 1000:
> > A4 CDN$46.32
> > A5 CDN$56.10
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> >==========================================
> >
> >
> >At 09:05 PM 1/4/04 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter"
> >>
> >>
> ><jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
> >
> >
> >>Check the www.rivetsplus.com. They seem to have a good price if you are
> >>buying more than 600.
> >>Jarek
> >>CH701, forming parts
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> >>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >>Subject: Zenith-List: revits
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> >>>
> >>>been looking for a good buy on the blind revits,avdel avex, is this a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>brand name or type?, found avdel but what is AVEX? and the a4 and a5 on
the
> >>701 mat.list is that there way of sizing?, thanks guys
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Reuschle" <jreuschle@mindspring.com>
Steve,
The engine is a Rotax 503 Air Cooled 2 Cycle in a J-3 Kitten Ultralite. It
has great power to weight ratio but it
does not have the reliability of the fourstroke. They are also function very
differently than four strokes and require very different maintenance.
One engine out was due to pilot error. Another due to a failed fuel pump.
Three were of an unknown cause ( the engine would flood for no known reason)
and the problem went away when I went back to individual filters on the dual
carb setup. It is as if the dual filter was acting in reverse to the way the
muffler on a two stroke scavenges the exhaust from the engine but in this
case sucked fuel from the engine. Each time there was fuel dripping from the
carbs. New carbs didn't solve it. A new dual filter didn't solve it. When I
went back to individual filters the problem went away. Go figure!
The Rotax 912 series of engines have much better reliability experience.
They have recently increased their TBO. The TBO on a two stroke is only 300
hours. Some make it fine. Lots don't. A two stroke engine is much more
sensitive to normal maladies that happen with engines for example like
exhaust bolts loosening. They don't like this. A four stroke keeps on going.
Two strokes have more vibration adding to its problems. If you need
reliability, go with the four stroke.
Jeff Reuschle
(altitude is your friend)
----- Original Message -----
From: <ALEMBIC7@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Roll-Bar
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ALEMBIC7@aol.com
>
> Jeff,
> Is it safe to assume from your PS that these engine outs were not with the
> 912S? What engine(s) was it?
> Steve
> 701, trying to pick an engine
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Reinero" <reineros@pacbell.net>
I have chosen to use the Geo with a Raven reduction. I was able to find a
engine with only 1200 miles on it at a local salvage yard. It was still in
the car which had a front end collision. The air conditioning radiator was
dented and the air bags were deployed. Here in California they will not
repack a deployed airbag for insurance reasons, and so I had them hook up a
battery and start up the engine whit it did instantly. It still had the
break in oil in the pan. The engine and all accessories including the
radiator was $700. I think I once paid that much for a set of rings for my
Bonanza, I've tried hard to forget that bill.
The engine is high Tec injected and computer controlled. Jaron at Raven has
a well thought set-up and will give you the Cooks tour if you give him
advance notice.
He is working on a turbo set-up for $1,000 and will also get a deal for you
on a three blade adjustable prop from The guy in Long Beach- can't remember
the name. Jaron is also working on an engine mount. I don-to know if it is
ready yet or not. His workmanship is excellent.
I think I will have about $5'000 in the power plant when ready to fly.
I hope this is of some help.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: engines
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
> will order plans next week, have already built a minimax and a airbike,so
i
> am looking forward to a sheet metal plane.just cannot will not afford a
big
> rotax.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: engines
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
> >
> > How close are you to being done?
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> > >
> > > besides the larger rotax what are the better choices of engines for
> > the 701? anyone using anything from raven redrives"geo,suzuki? thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > > > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > > > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > > > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > -- Thanks
> > Brett Ray
> > owner Hog Air
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | build order wings or fuselage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Tauch" <erictauch@comcast.net>
Greetings,
I have recently finished the empennage, and am wondering if I should order the
fuselage or the wings next?
Does the order matter, or should one be done before the other?
Thanks,
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: build order wings or fuselage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
I did the wings next. The wings are easier to build and store IMHO,.
The order I built the major components in was: tail, outboard wings, center
wing, rear fuselage, firewall, join rear fuselage/center wing/firewall (then
sit in it and take pictures), instrument panel, canopy, engine/cowl. I
don't know how much variation there is in these steps from builder to
builder, but that's what worked for me.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Tauch" <erictauch@comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: build order wings or fuselage
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Tauch" <erictauch@comcast.net>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I have recently finished the empennage, and am wondering if I should order
the fuselage or the wings next?
>
> Does the order matter, or should one be done before the other?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
After painting my bird, I haven't gotten around to applying some wing walk material
yet. Has anyone used the MAC Wing Walk material and have any opinions to
share versus the more typical adhesive backed sandpaper?
Thanks,
Greg
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| Subject: | Re: build order wings or fuselage |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 1/7/04 12:58 AM, Eric Tauch at erictauch@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Tauch" <erictauch@comcast.net>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I have recently finished the empennage, and am wondering if I should order the
> fuselage or the wings next?
>
> Does the order matter, or should one be done before the other?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
>
If you are building the 601XL, you will need to order the wings next. The
wing spar cary-though comes with the wings and is match drilled with the
wing spars. You need this section to complete the fuselage anyway. Besides,
the wings are easier to build and can be more easily stored out of the way
while you are working on the fuselage. It's much harder to get the fuselage
out of the way to make room for the construction of the wings if you have
limited space.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Panel and engine installed.
Nearly done.
do not archive.
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