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1. 03:23 AM - Fuel Management update (Lowell Metz)
2. 02:57 PM - Re: Fuel Management update (Phil & Michele Miller)
3. 04:21 PM - Re: Fuel Management update (Gary Gower)
4. 04:33 PM - Re: RIVETS (Jeffrey Davidson)
5. 05:58 PM - Re: RIVETS (Gary Gower)
6. 08:01 PM - Build Time (Kurt Johnson)
7. 08:27 PM - Re: Build Time (Jack Russell)
8. 08:52 PM - Aeroflash Strobes - Position Lights ()
9. 09:35 PM - Re: Build Time (Ken Szewc)
10. 10:00 PM - Re: Build Time (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Fuel Management update |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
Zenith list ----- Thanks to all of your for your input and thought provoking ideas
and suggestions, they were most welcome, First off, I want to go on record
attesting to the high standard I believe the ZAC product is. Second , the 701
is a great ship , IMHO the best for its designed use which is a STOL sport
plane. Third, Nick and I have been in contact and his responses have been timely
and helpful. Forth , as I suspected , I may have outsmarted myself trying
to keep the windscreen and upper dash area as clean as I could so I ran the vent
back down from the header under the seat and then back to a level above the
top of the wing tanks.
Having got that off my chest , and done penance for my Metz engineering, I'll
effect some changes and give it another go. I still don't think that there
is any reason to eliminate the header tank , nor incorporate fuel pumps. This
should be a gravity feed system and the laws of physics have not been revoked
----- yet .
Right now my priorities have been to get properly licensed to fly the 701.
This week was filled with getting all of my night flying and landings out of
the way, my long solo XC out of the way, ground reference solo practice done,
and yard work catch-up done. Whew .
Rest assured I will post what I have learned and will do more fuel flow studies
before it flies. I have a lot of goals in life and one of them is to NOT
be a statistic. And for those of you out there still debating on a plane , the
ZAC product line of planes are top notch. The question should not be whether
to go with ZAC but will the ZAC designs meet my flying goals. With money you
can go mach .8 at 40,000 feet. That is not me. My goal now is to get the
40 flown off for phase one before Sun-N-Fun so I can fly up there, sit under the
wing and say --- well yes , as a matter of fact I did build it....... do you
want to learn more ?
Thanks again
Lowell Metz
701 Venice FL.
DO NOT ARCHIVE ( nothing in the above to help solve anything yet )
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| Subject: | Fuel Management update |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil & Michele Miller" <millerpg@ps.gen.nz>
Lowell,
Just a couple of comments on your last post...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Metz
>> Zenith list ----- Thanks to all of your for your input and thought
provoking ideas and suggestions, they were most welcome,
I'm very glad, as I'm sure others are, that we can all help each
other. It's a great feeling.
>> First off, I want to go on record attesting to the high standard I
believe the ZAC product is. Second , the 701 is a great ship , IMHO the
best for its designed use which is a STOL sport plane.
Hear, hear!!!
>> I still don't think that there is any reason to eliminate the header
tank , nor incorporate fuel pumps. This should be a gravity feed system
and the laws of physics have not been revoked ----- yet .
Quite right. Stick to Chris's K.I.S.S. philosophy.
>> My goal now is to get the 40 flown off for phase one before Sun-N-Fun
so I can fly up there, sit under the wing and say --- well yes , as a
matter of fact I did build it....... do you want to learn more ?
The difference between a dream and its realisation is the
actions that make it happen. I am humbled to be in the (electronic)
presence of people who have the drive and determination to turn
subastantial dreams into reality. I hope to be able to meet some of you
at Airventure this year when I and a German friend travel up there from
down here in the South Pacific ocean.
Kind regards to all,
Phil Miller
New Zealand (turn left before you get to Australia)
701/912S (undergoing rebuild)
(Do not archive)
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| Subject: | Fuel Management update |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Lowell,
I cant stop from doing some thinking of your problem...
The simplest way, I could figure out, is to take the vent hose from the
header tank, then paralel to the nearest chromoly tube (cabin frame),
then inside the wing, to cover the hose in the cabin frame area you can
make a simple aluminum moulding (made from 0.016 left over) riveted
only to the front top skin (7F-14-4) and to the door sill (7F19-12D),
this way there will be no innecesary ribets in structural parts and
this way the hose will be protected from the UV rays.
Hope this help.
Saludos
Gary Gower
(not a genius inventor :-)
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List:RIVETS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Davidson" <jeffrey.davidson@earthlink.net>
>
> If one wants to save the 10 minutes it takes to modify
> the riveter head, here is a possible alternative...
> just check with the designer first.
When you check with Chris on this, part of his explanation should be that
forcing what was intended to be a countersunk rivet head into the dome shape
when the rivet is pulled actually work hardens it resulting in additional
strength in the set rivet.
Jeff Davidson
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List:RIVETS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
--- Jeffrey Davidson <jeffrey.davidson@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Davidson"
> <jeffrey.davidson@earthlink.net>
>
> >
> > If one wants to save the 10 minutes it takes to modify
> > the riveter head, here is a possible alternative...
> > just check with the designer first.
>
>
> When you check with Chris on this, part of his explanation should be
> that
> forcing what was intended to be a countersunk rivet head into the
> dome shape
> when the rivet is pulled actually work hardens it resulting in
> additional
> strength in the set rivet.
> Jeff Davidson
>
When I compare my experience in building this airplanes with Chris
Heintz and Sons, also how fast and correct they (at ZAC) answer to any
question I send... The only thing I can think off is to follow their
advise and instructions faitfully.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Do not archive.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kurt Johnson" <compair6@earthlink.net>
Hey Fella's,
My father and I are looking at building a 701 this summer. Neither of us
has any experience with building aircraft or working with sheet metal and
rivets. With this in mind; can two men, working 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a
week, finish a complete plane with engine in one month? What things should
we do to prepare for this effort. Obviously trying to get some hands on
with sheet metal work would go a long way. Any advice will be much
appreciated.
Kurt Johnson
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Kurt: You are optimistic. I also thought I would be able to spend 10 hrs a week
on my XL and have it done in a year(that would be the 500 hr advertised time).
Well, the year passed on jan 9 and I do have the 500 hours done but I am far
from done. What is more important is that I am still having a blast building
and although I want to see the finished product done the total time is not as
important to me anymore. Heck, I spent at least month just scratching my head
and another month rebuilding the parts I screwed up. I just retired(early) so
now I get to do the 10 hr day. I hope to be flying by summer.
Kurt Johnson <compair6@earthlink.net> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by:
"Kurt Johnson"
Hey Fella's,
My father and I are looking at building a 701 this summer. Neither of us
has any experience with building aircraft or working with sheet metal and
rivets. With this in mind; can two men, working 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a
week, finish a complete plane with engine in one month? What things should
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Aeroflash Strobes - Position Lights |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <tgrazian@bellsouth.net>
I have been reading various emails the past few weeks concerning Aeroflash strobe
units bought with the Zenith Kits. I just started unpacking my 601XL kit.
Along with the Aeroflash strobe/position light sub kit was a tag with the following
information:
"WARNING:
Power supplies contain electrolytic capacitors and need to be used as soon as possible.
If stored for a long period of time, they are subject to failure. When
this happens, it is recommended to start the power supplies @ 25% voltage
for about 10 minutes, before applying full voltage.
You can achieve reduced voltage by using a variable power supply or by running
the strobe power supply without lamps attached."
I did not see the above in any emails. Maybe I missed it or maybe the above has
been recently added to the kits by Aeroflash.
Tony G
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ken Szewc <szewc@direcway.com>
Kurt,
When working from a kit, even with excellent sheet metal skills and the
great support of ZAC, one small mistake can hold you back up to a week
wainting for parts. Can you tell I have experience in this?
You would have to have excellent pre-planning for instrument panel foward.
Still even with the best planning I would say there is no way to do this
short of doing the seven day quick build program that www.skyshops.org
sponsors.
Ken Szewc
701SP 912ULS almost there.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Johnson" <compair6@earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Build Time
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kurt Johnson" <compair6@earthlink.net>
>
> Hey Fella's,
>
> My father and I are looking at building a 701 this summer. Neither of us
> has any experience with building aircraft or working with sheet metal and
> rivets. With this in mind; can two men, working 10-12 hours a day, 6 days
a
> week, finish a complete plane with engine in one month? What things
should
> we do to prepare for this effort. Obviously trying to get some hands on
> with sheet metal work would go a long way. Any advice will be much
> appreciated.
>
> Kurt Johnson
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/9/04 11:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
compair6@earthlink.net writes:
> My father and I are looking at building a 701 this summer. Neither of us
> has any experience with building aircraft or working with sheet metal and
> rivets. With this in mind; can two men, working 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a
> week, finish a complete plane with engine in one month? What things should
> we do to prepare for this effort. Obviously trying to get some hands on
> with sheet metal work would go a long way. Any advice will be much
> appreciated.
>
NO
Even if you attack this as a job it would take longer than a month.
3 to 4 hours a night, 4 nights a week seems good for me. I stay
fresh and don't get burned out as long as I see progress.
2 people working will not cut the time in half. I like to work alone
because it keeps me focused and on task. My first plane I thought
that I could get 12 hours in on a Sunday....no way. 8 hours max and it can
stop being fun if you push too hard. Tonight I watched some TV and
then decided that nothing good was on so in the garage I went for a
couple hours. A goal is good but a year would be a better goal.
Every time I finish a project I want to do another. I learn new skills
and when I am done have better ideas. This is a learning process and
the Zenair is more forgiving than some other kits.....jump in and enjoy.
Buy the rudder and take the class if you can. This Zenair (N826W)
is practice for the next one.
Sal Capra
Lakeland, FL
My Home Page
http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html
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