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1. 03:24 AM - stall speeds and sport pilot (Jeff Small)
2. 05:03 AM - Re: 582 Mount for 701 (Rodgers, Robert)
3. 07:38 AM - Re: Zenith 601XL Auto Pilots (caspainhower@aep.com)
4. 07:59 AM - Re: stall speeds and sport pilot (Larry McFarland)
5. 08:36 AM - Experience with TruTrack and Navaid Devices Auto Pilots (royt.or@netzero.com)
6. 08:54 AM - Sport Pilot and vortex generators (Dejan Vucinic)
7. 09:29 AM - Re: a question? (Jon Croke)
8. 10:01 AM - Kodiak AK visit (Keith Ashcraft)
9. 10:13 AM - Re: stall speeds and sport pilot (Thomas F Marson)
10. 10:56 AM - 6061 angle supplier (Bill Howerton)
11. 11:09 AM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (MJBTOL@aol.com)
12. 11:15 AM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (Scott Laughlin)
13. 11:24 AM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (Scott Laughlin)
14. 01:10 PM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (Jarek M. Walter)
15. 01:21 PM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (Scott Laughlin)
16. 02:22 PM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (Benford2@aol.com)
17. 03:39 PM - Re: a question? (ronnie wehba)
18. 04:36 PM - Re: stall speeds and sport pilot (Dave Alberti)
19. 05:01 PM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (Bill Howerton)
20. 05:10 PM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (john tarabocchia)
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| Subject: | stall speeds and sport pilot |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:25:50 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
> After all its your plane it stalls where ever you say it stalls.
Oh, you're able to suspend the laws of physics are you? Just take my big ol Scripto
and write any speed I want in the POH? All that time carefully following
the section on stalls in AC 90-89A goes out the window?
On a serious note: hopefully the initial post was meant to be taken in a facetious
manner, but too many comments have surfaced in posts over the past weeks to
allow anyone to think that it may, indeed, be possible
to make a change and then placard that change into legality.
If you research the EAA's pages on Sport Pilot you will find that three ZAC a/c
meet the rule making criteria: the 701, the 601 (UL), and the 601 HD. The XL
makes it in the "likely" category. Now you understand why ZAC stopped talking
about top speeds in their advertisements - to do so would compromise the top
speed (115 kt or 132 mph) limit put on SP. Look for the XL to come with engine
and prop "limitations" to remain legal - a Jabiru 3300 with Sensenich or Prince
of ultimate efficiency will easily top 145 mph. When the XL was birthing
the cry was speed, speed, speed. Now it's sport pilot, sport pilot... Eric
T. pointed this out back in a message from December, 2002. ZAC's website has
a page for performance figures for the XL built in the Experimental class where
speeds are higher on the top end.
You should be able to take your HDS (the odd child out in this scenario) and make
it SP legal by fitting HD wings just as John and others have suggested/hoped.
BUT, it will have to be issued a new airworthiness certificate as a CH601
HD and the data plate will be changed out. Be ready for a new FAA inspection
or an additional DAR fee. No STC's here as we're not certificated. Those of
you who placarded gross weight at 1300 # may need a change too, unless the final
rule reads higher. As these things are done MIDOs around the country might
have various interpretations of the final rule.
You cannot simply make a change that you think slows down the a/c in the stall/landing
configuration (vortex generators, speed brakes, drogue chute) and then
feel you've met the LSA criteria. Aircraft that are hoping to fit into the LSA
rule stew now have a "manufacturer" and that manufacturer is not you. I know
that as the builder, we're the manufacturer of our a/c - but that's in the
Experimental class. This new class of a/c now might open up the air to many folks
and in the process make some folks some $$$. Yes, no one's made a dime since
Orville and Wilbur opened flight school, but if the chance exists then the
government will see that the opportunity comes burdened with bureaucracy.
Might I suggest that serious discussion among those who are really thinking of
making an existing a/c "fit" SP if it's not already on the list consult this link.
http://www.sportpilot.org/nprm/proposed_rule.html
Yep, it's long (the bureaucracy) but only the first half will get you thinking
and make you aware of some limitations that SP faces. Among them as misinformation
(some of it corrected by sharp listers) recently on the list as questions
or answers:
++ No night flight
++ All flight with visual reference to the surface (no IRF)
++ Fixed pitch or ground adjustable prop only (no in-flight adjustables)
> I think the only thing that would prevent the HDS from
>qualifying is the stall speed, which needs to be no more than 52 mph
>without flaps. Zenith list the HDS as having a stall speed of 54 mph.
The Zenith site has very, very accurate information on the NPRM as ZAC has a lot
to gain here.
The rule reads 51 mph (44 kt). I searched and searched in the HDS addendum to
my 1999 Construction Manual and can't find a stall speed listed. Craig probably
got this 54 mph figures from the HDS page on the website, a page that hasn't
been updated in four years. That figure is also for a lowered weight. The
front of my plans has 44 mph but it refers to the HD. In an e-mail to Bill Morelli
(in the archives) from the fall of 2000, Nick lists the HDS stall at 58
mph, a figure many HDS drivers will bear out. Yes you can mush it slower than
that, but unless you're a dog team driver over frozen tundra, the thing is dropping
like the proverbial brick with a hankie parachute and the wings will be
ready to shed Mr. Airflow faster than Britney discards husbands.
Back to the point of the above statement; The stall/landing speed must be 44 mph
in the landing condition, Vso (using flaps if the a/c is so equipped) and 51
mph in the "clean" landing position Vs1 (gear and flaps up, yes the gear is welded
on an HDS). Since the HD and HDS models don't have flaps, they must meet
the 44 mph limit, that's their Vso. If you go by Nick's figures then Vso for
the HDS is 58 mph.
SP/LAS has the potential to be a great boost for aviation and those who like flying
for its magic and don't want to surrender their avenue to that magic just
because they can no longer get a medical. It will take time - might be fair
to say that your local FSDO/MIDO will be a bit confused too. Our best path to
solid information will remain the EAA.
The importance of having a "legal" LSA a/c comes only when you have an incident.
Granted, most of us will never undergo a ramp check or have our tire squashing,
vacation ready, baggage lockers bulging, here I come Sun 'N Fun 601 pulled
over for a weight infraction; but if you have an incident and want your insurance
to be in effect...
I'm far, far from an expert on SP and the LSA criteria so if there's a flaw in
anything here (Dave A., you're a great fact checker) please step up and correct
it. Give us a source for finding the most current and accurate information.
tailwinds jeff
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| Subject: | 582 Mount for 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rodgers, Robert" <RODGERR@tc.gc.ca>
I have one that I might sell. It came on the plane that I purchased ( partly
complete ) and I'm going with geo/Raven Redrive combo.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: MYSTERY MAN [mailto:leb1944@hotmail.com]
Subject: Zenith-List: 582 Mount for 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "MYSTERY MAN" <leb1944@hotmail.com>
Anyone know of a 582 mount available for a 701? Also need 912 engine.
High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601XL Auto Pilots |
01/19/2004 10:38:19 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>Is any one, installing (or installeed) a single axis auto pilot in their
aircraft. Just started an XL and am >interested in installing a "wing
leveler" type AP.
>Any comments/suggestions/experience?
Check out the EZ pilot from www.trioavionics.com. Unless something better
comes out in the next few months that is what I plan to install.
Craig S.
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| Subject: | Re: stall speeds and sport pilot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: stall speeds and sport pilot
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>
too many comments have surfaced in posts over the past weeks to allow
anyone to think that it may, indeed, be possible
> to make a change and then placard that change into legality.
>
> You should be able to take your HDS (the odd child out in this scenario)
and make it SP legal by fitting HD wings just as John and others have
suggested/hoped. BUT, it will have to be issued a new airworthiness
certificate as a CH601 HD and the data plate will be changed out. >
>
> tailwinds jeff
You're exactly right, Jeff,
The sport pilot category will be the greener grass for a lot of builders. I
don't intend to change my
bird in that direction unless my doctor tears up my 3rd class medical.
There are several HDS owners
that are already there and would like to find a way to fit their planes
within sport pilot.
It may be harder to shed the experimental category and put on the sport
pilot suit, but the argument could be made that with change, the Type 601HDS
changed to a 601HD or other may qualify. Realizing the intent of the words
"manufacturer" and "builder", these kinds of change will not come quickly,
but I believe it'll happen. Having worked in Government I learned a good
time ago that the object is to pull slowly and persistently and not yank!
STCs are frequently rejected by one office and accepted by the next. The
airworthiness inspection should eventually be the same and up to the guy
responsible for performing it.
Regards
Larry McFarland
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| Subject: | Experience with TruTrack and Navaid Devices Auto Pilots |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: royt.or@netzero.com
(Cross post on Zenith List and Aeroelectric list)
I purchased a ($1300) Navaid Devices single axis autopilot in early 02 (http://navaid-devices.com/index.htm). When the Digitrak was introduced at Oshkosk in 02 with an introductory price of ~$1600 (now $1795), I decided I would return the Navaid Device AP and get the Digitrak (http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/).
My Digitrak performs great. I did break the servo shear screws after I had flow
my plane for about 60 hours. Trutrak had GREAT customer service. Before I understood
why the AP no longer worked correctly, Trutrak said to ship the controller
and the servo to them, AT THEIR COST, and they would repair and return the
unit. When I realized the shear screws broke, I returned the servo, AT TRUTRAKS
COST, and they exchanged the servo for a more powerful unit. The new servo
was shipped the same day Trutrak received my original servo.
The Navaid Device guarantee states The customer has 60 days in which to return
the equipment for a full refund. In the case of an aircraft under construction,
the clock starts whenever you start flying; we take your word on that date.
So, when I started flying my plane, I contacted Navaid Devices to find out what
needed to be done to return the unit per the guarantee. I shipped the unit back
(at my cost) per directions, with instructions to apply the refund to my credit
card. After calling to get confirmation that the unit was delivered, I was
told all the returned AP was complete and my refund would appear shortly. Shortly
took about 4 months, multiple phone calls, emails and faxes. Each time I
talked to Richard, he told me something like he had not gotten around to processing
the refund and would do it that day.
Im very glad I have the Digitrak. The total cost of the Digitrak is higher than
the cost of a Navaid Devices. In addition to the higher cost of the AP, you need
to supply a GPS data stream to the Digitrak and the Digitrak does not include
a turn coordinator.
Trutrak is a company who continues to develop innovative auto pilots. In my experience,
they have great customer support.
Navaid Devices is a company who produces an existing product, but does not have
designers on staff and may not understand all the intricacies of the design.
My experience was poor response/suppport from Navaid Devices.
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 160 hrs.
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| Subject: | Sport Pilot and vortex generators |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dejan Vucinic" <n713z@hotmail.com>
I find it really fascinating how my question about a proposed law
morphed over the past few days into a discussion about radically
altering the aerodynamic properties of our airplanes. Only in
America... :)
Let's have a reality check here. On the one hand we have a
piece of writing by some bureaucrats somewhere that states a
certain set of limits we're required to fit into before we can call
our creation a "sport airplane." On the other hand we have this
wonderfully safe, docile and time-tested design that's been flying
long before the "sport pilot" concept was even conceived. Now,
through a historical accident it just so happens that this airplane of
ours is about four miles per hour over the proposed stall limit AT
THE MAXIMUM GROSS WEIGHT of 1200 lbs.
So, what are our choices? One is to satisfy the bureaucrat by
writing into a box somewhere a slightly smaller number for maximum
gross weight. Two is to change the design of the airplane in a way
that won't likely make it any safer or better. Call me a ninny, but to
me it's clear which I'd rather do! Don't see many inspectors waving
a bathroom scale at us during run-up, do you? I mean, these are
the same people who let you fly behind an engine pulled from a
wrecked 1980's car, and we're getting worried about being a few
pounds heavier at takeoff than the law allows!?
And if you're thinking that the XL was designed with the law in mind,
think again. When I was making the decision which kit to purchase
back in late 1998 Sport Pilot wasn't even a consideration and the
design of the XL was essentially completed. The driving forces
behind the changes from HD(S) to XL were heavier engines, simpler
landing gear, thinner wing for higher top speeds, and more baggage
volume. Sport Pilot was a godsend in marketing terms, so Zenith's
story changed a little in the meantime, but Chris didn't design to
satisfy a law and you shouldn't either.
Anyhow, before folks start taping L-angles to their HDS wings en
masse let me offer another way or reducing the stall speed: lower
both ailerons by a few degrees. That way you can change your
mind later without ruining the paint. :)
Happy building,
Dejan Vucinic, N713Z
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Ronnie,
I dont think that will work... I think you'll get a bunch of small pictures!
If you open them individually to the large picture and right click, you can
save each one individually. I dont have high speed internet here, otherwise
I'd email you the whole bunch.
Jon
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
> on jon croke's site all of his pic's are small thumbs, if I copy to disc,
cd, will i be able to open and enlarge them, off line, (( jon these pics are
great to a plans builder,,,soon to be ))
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Hello All,
I am going to be working at Kodiak,AK from January 21 - Feb 5. Are there
any builders/flyiers of any Zenith planes up there?
Let me know off-line.
keith.ashcraft@itt.com
ch701builder@yahoo.com
Thanks,
Keith
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
CH701
tail 98% -- kit
all else 2% -- scratch
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| Subject: | Re: stall speeds and sport pilot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
JEFF THIS IS AND EXCELLENT PIECE OF WRITING. TOM MARSON
> Yep, it's long (the bureaucracy) but only the first half will get you
thinking and make you aware of some limitations that SP faces. Among them
as misinformation (some of it corrected by sharp listers) recently on the
list as questions or answers:
>
> ++ No night flight
>
> ++ All flight with visual reference to the surface (no IRF)
>
> ++ Fixed pitch or ground adjustable prop only (no in-flight adjustables)
>
> > I think the only thing that would prevent the HDS from
> >qualifying is the stall speed, which needs to be no more than 52 mph
> >without flaps. Zenith list the HDS as having a stall speed of 54 mph.
>
> The Zenith site has very, very accurate information on the NPRM as ZAC has
a lot to gain here.
>
> The rule reads 51 mph (44 kt). I searched and searched in the HDS
addendum to my 1999 Construction Manual and can't find a stall speed listed.
Craig probably got this 54 mph figures from the HDS page on the website, a
page that hasn't been updated in four years. That figure is also for a
lowered weight. The front of my plans has 44 mph but it refers to the HD.
In an e-mail to Bill Morelli (in the archives) from the fall of 2000, Nick
lists the HDS stall at 58 mph, a figure many HDS drivers will bear out. Yes
you can mush it slower than that, but unless you're a dog team driver over
frozen tundra, the thing is dropping like the proverbial brick with a hankie
parachute and the wings will be ready to shed Mr. Airflow faster than
Britney discards husbands.
>
> Back to the point of the above statement; The stall/landing speed must be
44 mph in the landing condition, Vso (using flaps if the a/c is so equipped)
and 51 mph in the "clean" landing position Vs1 (gear and flaps up, yes the
gear is welded on an HDS). Since the HD and HDS models don't have flaps,
they must meet the 44 mph limit, that's their Vso. If you go by Nick's
figures then Vso for the HDS is 58 mph.
>
>
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| Subject: | 6061 angle supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
I need to get my hands on some more of the "standard" 6061 3/4" X 3/4" .025
L-angle pieces. I've been looking around, but the best I can find is
thickness of 1/16" (.062)
I called ZAC, but they wanted more than $7.00 apiece for a 4'section. That
seems a bit high to me. - Where is everyone getting theirs?
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| Subject: | Re: 6061 angle supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MJBTOL@aol.com
Bill,
You will have to make them on a brake, or have them made for you. That is
what most scratch builders do. I don't think anything of this size is
commercialy available.
Mike
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| Subject: | 6061 angle supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Bill:
I cut them out with tin snips and bend my own. Do you have any .025 scraps
laying around? After trimming parts, surely you will have some. My brake
has a 1/8" radius in it, but for short pieces you can use a vise with the
proper radius. My first short pieces were made with a small brake or a vise
(before I built my 8' brake.)
In short, I don't think you are going to find pre-made standard "L" anywhere
unless you make it.
I hope this helps.
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
I need to get my hands on some more of the "standard" 6061 3/4" X 3/4" .025
L-angle pieces. I've been looking around, but the best I can find is
thickness of 1/16" (.062)
I called ZAC, but they wanted more than $7.00 apiece for a 4'section. That
seems a bit high to me. - Where is everyone getting theirs?
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| Subject: | 6061 angle supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
<snip>
"I need to get my hands on some more of the "standard" 6061 3/4" X 3/4" .025
L-angle pieces."
<endsnip>
Bill:
One more thing:
One, 4X8 sheet of .025" aluminum form Aircraft Spruce is $62.90.
If you cut carefully, you can get 64 - 4 feet "L" angles out of a sheet.
That's 98 cents each.
I've given you my 2-cents, so round up to one a dollar.
Scott Laughlin
Plans-builder
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| Subject: | 6061 angle supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Laughlin
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
<snip>
"I need to get my hands on some more of the "standard" 6061 3/4" X 3/4" .025
L-angle pieces."
<endsnip>
Bill:
One more thing:
One, 4X8 sheet of .025" aluminum form Aircraft Spruce is $62.90.
If you cut carefully, you can get 64 - 4 feet "L" angles out of a sheet.
That's 98 cents each.
I've given you my 2-cents, so round up to one a dollar.
Scott Laughlin
Plans-builder
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OR
One, 4x12 sheet of .025" aluminum from Yarde Metals is $35.00
If cut carefully, you can get 96 - 4 feet "L" angles out of sheet.
That's about 34 cents each.
Jarek Walter, scratch-builder
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| Subject: | 6061 angle supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
"OR One, 4x12 sheet of .025" aluminum from Yarde Metals is $35.00
Jarek Walter, scratch-builder"
You Canadians get all the good deals! You should be able to build two
airplanes for the price of one!
Take care,
Scott Laughlin
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| Subject: | Re: 6061 angle supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 1/19/2004 11:57:43 AM Mountain Standard Time,
Bill@Howerton.com writes:
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
>
> I need to get my hands on some more of the "standard" 6061 3/4" X 3/4" .025
> L-angle pieces. I've been looking around, but the best I can find is
> thickness of 1/16" (.062)
>
> I called ZAC, but they wanted more than $7.00 apiece for a 4'section. That
> seems a bit high to me. - Where is everyone getting theirs?
>
>
What part of the country are ya in ?? I have several peices left over from my
801 build.
Ben Haas
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required 5, BAYES_00)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
thanks jon, i did just that, great pic's BTW where are you located? just
got some material qoutes from a local that sells by the pound great prices.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: a question?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
>
> Ronnie,
>
> I dont think that will work... I think you'll get a bunch of small
pictures!
> If you open them individually to the large picture and right click, you
can
> save each one individually. I dont have high speed internet here,
otherwise
> I'd email you the whole bunch.
>
> Jon
> do not archive
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> >
> > on jon croke's site all of his pic's are small thumbs, if I copy to
disc,
> cd, will i be able to open and enlarge them, off line, (( jon these pics
are
> great to a plans builder,,,soon to be ))
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | stall speeds and sport pilot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
Be careful in your interpretations here! Sport Pilot is a classification of
pilot, not aircraft. LSA or light sport aircraft will be manufactured by a
company like Zenith and sold as completed aircraft. Some Certificated
Aircraft "will" be eligible to be flown by a sport pilot. Your "homebuilt"
aircraft will be classified as experimental regardless of SP or LSA because
you (probably) will not be identified as a LSA Manufacturer. A LSA
manufacturer may not have the paper trail of a certificated manufacturer
like Cessna but they will be still required to have many procedures and a
lot of documentation to show compliance with the LSA standards.
The bottom line is build your plane, if the weight, performance, and flight
characteristics of your plane conform to Sport Pilot standards then a Sport
pilot will be able to fly it.
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| Subject: | Re: 6061 angle supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
I'm in Colorado Springs... I'll take whatever you got
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <Benford2@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/19/2004 11:57:43 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> Bill@Howerton.com writes:
>
>
> >
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
> >
> > I need to get my hands on some more of the "standard" 6061 3/4" X 3/4"
.025
> > L-angle pieces. I've been looking around, but the best I can find is
> > thickness of 1/16" (.062)
> >
> > I called ZAC, but they wanted more than $7.00 apiece for a 4'section.
That
> > seems a bit high to me. - Where is everyone getting theirs?
> >
> >
>
> What part of the country are ya in ?? I have several peices left over from
my
> 801 build.
>
> Ben Haas
> do not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 6061 angle supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john tarabocchia" <TARABOCCHIA@peoplepc.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
>
> "OR One, 4x12 sheet of .025" aluminum from Yarde Metals is $35.00
> Jarek Walter, scratch-builder"
>
> You Canadians get all the good deals! You should be able to build two
> airplanes for the price of one!
>
> Take care,
>
> Scott Laughlin
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
Yard Metal's headquarters are in Connecticut, with offices all over the
north east. Americans cat also get the deals too.
John
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