---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/19/04: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:24 AM - stall speeds and sport pilot (Jeff Small) 2. 05:03 AM - Re: 582 Mount for 701 (Rodgers, Robert) 3. 07:38 AM - Re: Zenith 601XL Auto Pilots (caspainhower@aep.com) 4. 07:59 AM - Re: stall speeds and sport pilot (Larry McFarland) 5. 08:36 AM - Experience with TruTrack and Navaid Devices Auto Pilots (royt.or@netzero.com) 6. 08:54 AM - Sport Pilot and vortex generators (Dejan Vucinic) 7. 09:29 AM - Re: a question? (Jon Croke) 8. 10:01 AM - Kodiak AK visit (Keith Ashcraft) 9. 10:13 AM - Re: stall speeds and sport pilot (Thomas F Marson) 10. 10:56 AM - 6061 angle supplier (Bill Howerton) 11. 11:09 AM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (MJBTOL@aol.com) 12. 11:15 AM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (Scott Laughlin) 13. 11:24 AM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (Scott Laughlin) 14. 01:10 PM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (Jarek M. Walter) 15. 01:21 PM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (Scott Laughlin) 16. 02:22 PM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (Benford2@aol.com) 17. 03:39 PM - Re: a question? (ronnie wehba) 18. 04:36 PM - Re: stall speeds and sport pilot (Dave Alberti) 19. 05:01 PM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (Bill Howerton) 20. 05:10 PM - Re: 6061 angle supplier (john tarabocchia) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:58 AM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Zenith-List: stall speeds and sport pilot Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:25:50 -0500 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" > After all its your plane it stalls where ever you say it stalls. Oh, you're able to suspend the laws of physics are you? Just take my big ol Scripto and write any speed I want in the POH? All that time carefully following the section on stalls in AC 90-89A goes out the window? On a serious note: hopefully the initial post was meant to be taken in a facetious manner, but too many comments have surfaced in posts over the past weeks to allow anyone to think that it may, indeed, be possible to make a change and then placard that change into legality. If you research the EAA's pages on Sport Pilot you will find that three ZAC a/c meet the rule making criteria: the 701, the 601 (UL), and the 601 HD. The XL makes it in the "likely" category. Now you understand why ZAC stopped talking about top speeds in their advertisements - to do so would compromise the top speed (115 kt or 132 mph) limit put on SP. Look for the XL to come with engine and prop "limitations" to remain legal - a Jabiru 3300 with Sensenich or Prince of ultimate efficiency will easily top 145 mph. When the XL was birthing the cry was speed, speed, speed. Now it's sport pilot, sport pilot... Eric T. pointed this out back in a message from December, 2002. ZAC's website has a page for performance figures for the XL built in the Experimental class where speeds are higher on the top end. You should be able to take your HDS (the odd child out in this scenario) and make it SP legal by fitting HD wings just as John and others have suggested/hoped. BUT, it will have to be issued a new airworthiness certificate as a CH601 HD and the data plate will be changed out. Be ready for a new FAA inspection or an additional DAR fee. No STC's here as we're not certificated. Those of you who placarded gross weight at 1300 # may need a change too, unless the final rule reads higher. As these things are done MIDOs around the country might have various interpretations of the final rule. You cannot simply make a change that you think slows down the a/c in the stall/landing configuration (vortex generators, speed brakes, drogue chute) and then feel you've met the LSA criteria. Aircraft that are hoping to fit into the LSA rule stew now have a "manufacturer" and that manufacturer is not you. I know that as the builder, we're the manufacturer of our a/c - but that's in the Experimental class. This new class of a/c now might open up the air to many folks and in the process make some folks some $$$. Yes, no one's made a dime since Orville and Wilbur opened flight school, but if the chance exists then the government will see that the opportunity comes burdened with bureaucracy. Might I suggest that serious discussion among those who are really thinking of making an existing a/c "fit" SP if it's not already on the list consult this link. http://www.sportpilot.org/nprm/proposed_rule.html Yep, it's long (the bureaucracy) but only the first half will get you thinking and make you aware of some limitations that SP faces. Among them as misinformation (some of it corrected by sharp listers) recently on the list as questions or answers: ++ No night flight ++ All flight with visual reference to the surface (no IRF) ++ Fixed pitch or ground adjustable prop only (no in-flight adjustables) > I think the only thing that would prevent the HDS from >qualifying is the stall speed, which needs to be no more than 52 mph >without flaps. Zenith list the HDS as having a stall speed of 54 mph. The Zenith site has very, very accurate information on the NPRM as ZAC has a lot to gain here. The rule reads 51 mph (44 kt). I searched and searched in the HDS addendum to my 1999 Construction Manual and can't find a stall speed listed. Craig probably got this 54 mph figures from the HDS page on the website, a page that hasn't been updated in four years. That figure is also for a lowered weight. The front of my plans has 44 mph but it refers to the HD. In an e-mail to Bill Morelli (in the archives) from the fall of 2000, Nick lists the HDS stall at 58 mph, a figure many HDS drivers will bear out. Yes you can mush it slower than that, but unless you're a dog team driver over frozen tundra, the thing is dropping like the proverbial brick with a hankie parachute and the wings will be ready to shed Mr. Airflow faster than Britney discards husbands. Back to the point of the above statement; The stall/landing speed must be 44 mph in the landing condition, Vso (using flaps if the a/c is so equipped) and 51 mph in the "clean" landing position Vs1 (gear and flaps up, yes the gear is welded on an HDS). Since the HD and HDS models don't have flaps, they must meet the 44 mph limit, that's their Vso. If you go by Nick's figures then Vso for the HDS is 58 mph. SP/LAS has the potential to be a great boost for aviation and those who like flying for its magic and don't want to surrender their avenue to that magic just because they can no longer get a medical. It will take time - might be fair to say that your local FSDO/MIDO will be a bit confused too. Our best path to solid information will remain the EAA. The importance of having a "legal" LSA a/c comes only when you have an incident. Granted, most of us will never undergo a ramp check or have our tire squashing, vacation ready, baggage lockers bulging, here I come Sun 'N Fun 601 pulled over for a weight infraction; but if you have an incident and want your insurance to be in effect... I'm far, far from an expert on SP and the LSA criteria so if there's a flaw in anything here (Dave A., you're a great fact checker) please step up and correct it. Give us a source for finding the most current and accurate information. tailwinds jeff ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:32 AM PST US From: "Rodgers, Robert" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 582 Mount for 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rodgers, Robert" I have one that I might sell. It came on the plane that I purchased ( partly complete ) and I'm going with geo/Raven Redrive combo. Regards Rob -----Original Message----- From: MYSTERY MAN [mailto:leb1944@hotmail.com] Subject: Zenith-List: 582 Mount for 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "MYSTERY MAN" Anyone know of a 582 mount available for a 701? Also need 912 engine. High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith 601XL Auto Pilots From: caspainhower@aep.com 01/19/2004 10:38:19 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com >Is any one, installing (or installeed) a single axis auto pilot in their aircraft. Just started an XL and am >interested in installing a "wing leveler" type AP. >Any comments/suggestions/experience? Check out the EZ pilot from www.trioavionics.com. Unless something better comes out in the next few months that is what I plan to install. Craig S. N 601XS This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it from the Nuclear Generation Group of American Electric Power are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:35 AM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: stall speeds and sport pilot --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Zenith-List: stall speeds and sport pilot > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" > too many comments have surfaced in posts over the past weeks to allow anyone to think that it may, indeed, be possible > to make a change and then placard that change into legality. > > You should be able to take your HDS (the odd child out in this scenario) and make it SP legal by fitting HD wings just as John and others have suggested/hoped. BUT, it will have to be issued a new airworthiness certificate as a CH601 HD and the data plate will be changed out. > > > tailwinds jeff You're exactly right, Jeff, The sport pilot category will be the greener grass for a lot of builders. I don't intend to change my bird in that direction unless my doctor tears up my 3rd class medical. There are several HDS owners that are already there and would like to find a way to fit their planes within sport pilot. It may be harder to shed the experimental category and put on the sport pilot suit, but the argument could be made that with change, the Type 601HDS changed to a 601HD or other may qualify. Realizing the intent of the words "manufacturer" and "builder", these kinds of change will not come quickly, but I believe it'll happen. Having worked in Government I learned a good time ago that the object is to pull slowly and persistently and not yank! STCs are frequently rejected by one office and accepted by the next. The airworthiness inspection should eventually be the same and up to the guy responsible for performing it. Regards Larry McFarland ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:42 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Experience with TruTrack and Navaid Devices Auto Pilots From: royt.or@netzero.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: royt.or@netzero.com (Cross post on Zenith List and Aeroelectric list) I purchased a ($1300) Navaid Devices single axis autopilot in early 02 (http://navaid-devices.com/index.htm). When the Digitrak was introduced at Oshkosk in 02 with an introductory price of ~$1600 (now $1795), I decided I would return the Navaid Device AP and get the Digitrak (http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/). My Digitrak performs great. I did break the servo shear screws after I had flow my plane for about 60 hours. Trutrak had GREAT customer service. Before I understood why the AP no longer worked correctly, Trutrak said to ship the controller and the servo to them, AT THEIR COST, and they would repair and return the unit. When I realized the shear screws broke, I returned the servo, AT TRUTRAKS COST, and they exchanged the servo for a more powerful unit. The new servo was shipped the same day Trutrak received my original servo. The Navaid Device guarantee states The customer has 60 days in which to return the equipment for a full refund. In the case of an aircraft under construction, the clock starts whenever you start flying; we take your word on that date. So, when I started flying my plane, I contacted Navaid Devices to find out what needed to be done to return the unit per the guarantee. I shipped the unit back (at my cost) per directions, with instructions to apply the refund to my credit card. After calling to get confirmation that the unit was delivered, I was told all the returned AP was complete and my refund would appear shortly. Shortly took about 4 months, multiple phone calls, emails and faxes. Each time I talked to Richard, he told me something like he had not gotten around to processing the refund and would do it that day. Im very glad I have the Digitrak. The total cost of the Digitrak is higher than the cost of a Navaid Devices. In addition to the higher cost of the AP, you need to supply a GPS data stream to the Digitrak and the Digitrak does not include a turn coordinator. Trutrak is a company who continues to develop innovative auto pilots. In my experience, they have great customer support. Navaid Devices is a company who produces an existing product, but does not have designers on staff and may not understand all the intricacies of the design. My experience was poor response/suppport from Navaid Devices. Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 160 hrs. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:23 AM PST US From: "Dejan Vucinic" Subject: Zenith-List: Sport Pilot and vortex generators --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dejan Vucinic" I find it really fascinating how my question about a proposed law morphed over the past few days into a discussion about radically altering the aerodynamic properties of our airplanes. Only in America... :) Let's have a reality check here. On the one hand we have a piece of writing by some bureaucrats somewhere that states a certain set of limits we're required to fit into before we can call our creation a "sport airplane." On the other hand we have this wonderfully safe, docile and time-tested design that's been flying long before the "sport pilot" concept was even conceived. Now, through a historical accident it just so happens that this airplane of ours is about four miles per hour over the proposed stall limit AT THE MAXIMUM GROSS WEIGHT of 1200 lbs. So, what are our choices? One is to satisfy the bureaucrat by writing into a box somewhere a slightly smaller number for maximum gross weight. Two is to change the design of the airplane in a way that won't likely make it any safer or better. Call me a ninny, but to me it's clear which I'd rather do! Don't see many inspectors waving a bathroom scale at us during run-up, do you? I mean, these are the same people who let you fly behind an engine pulled from a wrecked 1980's car, and we're getting worried about being a few pounds heavier at takeoff than the law allows!? And if you're thinking that the XL was designed with the law in mind, think again. When I was making the decision which kit to purchase back in late 1998 Sport Pilot wasn't even a consideration and the design of the XL was essentially completed. The driving forces behind the changes from HD(S) to XL were heavier engines, simpler landing gear, thinner wing for higher top speeds, and more baggage volume. Sport Pilot was a godsend in marketing terms, so Zenith's story changed a little in the meantime, but Chris didn't design to satisfy a law and you shouldn't either. Anyhow, before folks start taping L-angles to their HDS wings en masse let me offer another way or reducing the stall speed: lower both ailerons by a few degrees. That way you can change your mind later without ruining the paint. :) Happy building, Dejan Vucinic, N713Z ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:23 AM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: a question? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" Ronnie, I dont think that will work... I think you'll get a bunch of small pictures! If you open them individually to the large picture and right click, you can save each one individually. I dont have high speed internet here, otherwise I'd email you the whole bunch. Jon do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" > > on jon croke's site all of his pic's are small thumbs, if I copy to disc, cd, will i be able to open and enlarge them, off line, (( jon these pics are great to a plans builder,,,soon to be )) > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:26 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Zenith-List: Kodiak AK visit --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Ashcraft Hello All, I am going to be working at Kodiak,AK from January 21 - Feb 5. Are there any builders/flyiers of any Zenith planes up there? Let me know off-line. keith.ashcraft@itt.com ch701builder@yahoo.com Thanks, Keith N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' CH701 tail 98% -- kit all else 2% -- scratch -- ************************************* *Keith Ashcraft* ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com ************************************ This email and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Industries, Inc. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT Industries accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. ************************************ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:49 AM PST US From: "Thomas F Marson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: stall speeds and sport pilot --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" JEFF THIS IS AND EXCELLENT PIECE OF WRITING. TOM MARSON > Yep, it's long (the bureaucracy) but only the first half will get you thinking and make you aware of some limitations that SP faces. Among them as misinformation (some of it corrected by sharp listers) recently on the list as questions or answers: > > ++ No night flight > > ++ All flight with visual reference to the surface (no IRF) > > ++ Fixed pitch or ground adjustable prop only (no in-flight adjustables) > > > I think the only thing that would prevent the HDS from > >qualifying is the stall speed, which needs to be no more than 52 mph > >without flaps. Zenith list the HDS as having a stall speed of 54 mph. > > The Zenith site has very, very accurate information on the NPRM as ZAC has a lot to gain here. > > The rule reads 51 mph (44 kt). I searched and searched in the HDS addendum to my 1999 Construction Manual and can't find a stall speed listed. Craig probably got this 54 mph figures from the HDS page on the website, a page that hasn't been updated in four years. That figure is also for a lowered weight. The front of my plans has 44 mph but it refers to the HD. In an e-mail to Bill Morelli (in the archives) from the fall of 2000, Nick lists the HDS stall at 58 mph, a figure many HDS drivers will bear out. Yes you can mush it slower than that, but unless you're a dog team driver over frozen tundra, the thing is dropping like the proverbial brick with a hankie parachute and the wings will be ready to shed Mr. Airflow faster than Britney discards husbands. > > Back to the point of the above statement; The stall/landing speed must be 44 mph in the landing condition, Vso (using flaps if the a/c is so equipped) and 51 mph in the "clean" landing position Vs1 (gear and flaps up, yes the gear is welded on an HDS). Since the HD and HDS models don't have flaps, they must meet the 44 mph limit, that's their Vso. If you go by Nick's figures then Vso for the HDS is 58 mph. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:51 AM PST US From: "Bill Howerton" Subject: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" I need to get my hands on some more of the "standard" 6061 3/4" X 3/4" .025 L-angle pieces. I've been looking around, but the best I can find is thickness of 1/16" (.062) I called ZAC, but they wanted more than $7.00 apiece for a 4'section. That seems a bit high to me. - Where is everyone getting theirs? ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:56 AM PST US From: MJBTOL@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier --> Zenith-List message posted by: MJBTOL@aol.com Bill, You will have to make them on a brake, or have them made for you. That is what most scratch builders do. I don't think anything of this size is commercialy available. Mike ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:24 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Bill: I cut them out with tin snips and bend my own. Do you have any .025 scraps laying around? After trimming parts, surely you will have some. My brake has a 1/8" radius in it, but for short pieces you can use a vise with the proper radius. My first short pieces were made with a small brake or a vise (before I built my 8' brake.) In short, I don't think you are going to find pre-made standard "L" anywhere unless you make it. I hope this helps. Scott Laughlin http://www.cooknwithgas.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Bill Howerton" Subject: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" I need to get my hands on some more of the "standard" 6061 3/4" X 3/4" .025 L-angle pieces. I've been looking around, but the best I can find is thickness of 1/16" (.062) I called ZAC, but they wanted more than $7.00 apiece for a 4'section. That seems a bit high to me. - Where is everyone getting theirs? Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the max! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:28 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" "I need to get my hands on some more of the "standard" 6061 3/4" X 3/4" .025 L-angle pieces." Bill: One more thing: One, 4X8 sheet of .025" aluminum form Aircraft Spruce is $62.90. If you cut carefully, you can get 64 - 4 feet "L" angles out of a sheet. That's 98 cents each. I've given you my 2-cents, so round up to one a dollar. Scott Laughlin Plans-builder Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:16 PM PST US From: "Jarek M. Walter" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter" -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Laughlin Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" "I need to get my hands on some more of the "standard" 6061 3/4" X 3/4" .025 L-angle pieces." Bill: One more thing: One, 4X8 sheet of .025" aluminum form Aircraft Spruce is $62.90. If you cut carefully, you can get 64 - 4 feet "L" angles out of a sheet. That's 98 cents each. I've given you my 2-cents, so round up to one a dollar. Scott Laughlin Plans-builder ************************************************************************* OR One, 4x12 sheet of .025" aluminum from Yarde Metals is $35.00 If cut carefully, you can get 96 - 4 feet "L" angles out of sheet. That's about 34 cents each. Jarek Walter, scratch-builder ************************************************************************** ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:47 PM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" "OR One, 4x12 sheet of .025" aluminum from Yarde Metals is $35.00 Jarek Walter, scratch-builder" You Canadians get all the good deals! You should be able to build two airplanes for the price of one! Take care, Scott Laughlin DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:29 PM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 1/19/2004 11:57:43 AM Mountain Standard Time, Bill@Howerton.com writes: > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" > > I need to get my hands on some more of the "standard" 6061 3/4" X 3/4" .025 > L-angle pieces. I've been looking around, but the best I can find is > thickness of 1/16" (.062) > > I called ZAC, but they wanted more than $7.00 apiece for a 4'section. That > seems a bit high to me. - Where is everyone getting theirs? > > What part of the country are ya in ?? I have several peices left over from my 801 build. Ben Haas do not archive. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:15 PM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: a question? required 5, BAYES_00) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" thanks jon, i did just that, great pic's BTW where are you located? just got some material qoutes from a local that sells by the pound great prices. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: a question? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" > > Ronnie, > > I dont think that will work... I think you'll get a bunch of small pictures! > If you open them individually to the large picture and right click, you can > save each one individually. I dont have high speed internet here, otherwise > I'd email you the whole bunch. > > Jon > do not archive > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" > > > > on jon croke's site all of his pic's are small thumbs, if I copy to disc, > cd, will i be able to open and enlarge them, off line, (( jon these pics are > great to a plans builder,,,soon to be )) > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:50 PM PST US From: "Dave Alberti" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: stall speeds and sport pilot --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" Be careful in your interpretations here! Sport Pilot is a classification of pilot, not aircraft. LSA or light sport aircraft will be manufactured by a company like Zenith and sold as completed aircraft. Some Certificated Aircraft "will" be eligible to be flown by a sport pilot. Your "homebuilt" aircraft will be classified as experimental regardless of SP or LSA because you (probably) will not be identified as a LSA Manufacturer. A LSA manufacturer may not have the paper trail of a certificated manufacturer like Cessna but they will be still required to have many procedures and a lot of documentation to show compliance with the LSA standards. The bottom line is build your plane, if the weight, performance, and flight characteristics of your plane conform to Sport Pilot standards then a Sport pilot will be able to fly it. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:06 PM PST US From: "Bill Howerton" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" I'm in Colorado Springs... I'll take whatever you got Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com > > In a message dated 1/19/2004 11:57:43 AM Mountain Standard Time, > Bill@Howerton.com writes: > > > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" > > > > I need to get my hands on some more of the "standard" 6061 3/4" X 3/4" .025 > > L-angle pieces. I've been looking around, but the best I can find is > > thickness of 1/16" (.062) > > > > I called ZAC, but they wanted more than $7.00 apiece for a 4'section. That > > seems a bit high to me. - Where is everyone getting theirs? > > > > > > What part of the country are ya in ?? I have several peices left over from my > 801 build. > > Ben Haas > do not archive. > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:37 PM PST US From: "john tarabocchia" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 6061 angle supplier --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john tarabocchia" > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" > > > "OR One, 4x12 sheet of .025" aluminum from Yarde Metals is $35.00 > Jarek Walter, scratch-builder" > > You Canadians get all the good deals! You should be able to build two > airplanes for the price of one! > > Take care, > > Scott Laughlin > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE Yard Metal's headquarters are in Connecticut, with offices all over the north east. Americans cat also get the deals too. John