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1. 04:19 AM - Re: How to bend rudder horn? (701) (Eric Ingraham)
2. 05:02 AM - Plane Fun Fly-in (Florida) (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
3. 05:59 AM - Re: Fuel tank can-o-worms (David Barth)
4. 06:22 AM - Re: How to bend rudder horn? (701) (Carlos Sa)
5. 07:13 AM - Re: How to bend rudder horn? (701) (Benford2@aol.com)
6. 07:15 AM - Re: Plane Fun Fly-in (Florida) (Benford2@aol.com)
7. 07:59 AM - Re: fuel quanity instumentation (Mike Fothergill)
8. 08:03 AM - Bending 701 rudder horn... (Bima, Martin)
9. 08:49 AM - Re: fuel quanity instumentation (royt.or@netzero.com)
10. 09:08 AM - Re: Fuel tank can-o-worms (Jack Russell)
11. 09:54 AM - Flying the 701 (Jeff Small)
12. 10:04 AM - Re: Fuel tank can-o-worms (Carlos Sa)
13. 10:54 AM - Re: How to bend rudder horn? (701) (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
14. 12:19 PM - Re: Plane Fun Fly-in (Florida) (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
15. 03:40 PM - Re: Plane Fun Fly-in (Florida) (Benford2@aol.com)
16. 03:41 PM - How to bend ruddder horn-701 ()
17. 04:37 PM - Re: Fuel tank can-o-worms (john tarabocchia)
18. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: fuel quanity instumentation (john tarabocchia)
19. 06:44 PM - Re: Flying the 701 (Bob Miller)
20. 06:52 PM - ch701 for sale (Robert Hillebrand)
21. 08:07 PM - HDS rib #7A (Brandon Tucker)
22. 08:36 PM - Re: ch701 for sale (Brett Ray)
23. 09:50 PM - Still Lovin It!!!!!! (Bill Morelli)
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| Subject: | How to bend rudder horn? (701) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Ingraham" <iflyul@hotmail.com>
The rudder horn I got from the factory was a piece of angle that required
only some filing to bring it to shape, rond the corners ,etc......It took
all of about 10 minutes....I think I've got some pics. send me an email if
you need them......Hope that helps.....Eric
From: awendt@uniserve.com
Subject: Zenith-List: How to bend rudder horn? (701)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: awendt@uniserve.com
Hello All!
I've searched hi and low as best as I could with my s l o w dial-up
connection
I get out here in the wilderness, but can't find a resource for how to bend
the
angle for the rudder horn. Beating it with a hammer won't do. Suggestions?
Thanks!
Armin
(This is my first post, please be gentle)
Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the max!
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| Subject: | Plane Fun Fly-in (Florida) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
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***(Plane Fun Fly-In)*** Jan. 30, 2004 Fri., Jan. 31., Sat., Feb. 1, Sun. ,
South Lakeland Airport ( X49 ) Camp under your wing on Friday evening.
Pancake breakfast in the morning, Hot dogs for lunch, and chili / soap for
supper.
Live Music! Forums, seminars, story telling, hanger flying planed.
"FLEA MARKET" BUY AND SELL. Bring your "Stuff"
Sunday morning will be coffee and donuts by the X-49ers (EAA UL149)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank can-o-worms |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Thanks Larry.
I will do a little research on how to seal the riveted
tanks. I would just need slightly larger flanges than
those on the tank in the plans.
They really do some amazing stuff with the brazing on
the site video. You might just want to take a little
look at it. They even use it to repair an aluminum pop
can they punched a hole in.
http://www.aluminumrepair.com/login/main.asp
Thnkas again
David
--- Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com> wrote:
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> <larrymc@qconline.com>
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> Fuel tank can-o-worms
>
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> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth
> <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
> >
> > At the risk of sounding like an idiot, has anyone
> had
> > any experience with brazing aluminum tanks?
>
> David,
> I'd recommend you look a little closer at riviting a
> tank if you can't
> get comfortable with TIG. The process is really
> simple and the construction
> can be seen on Piper Aircraft and others.
>
> I weld aluminum with either Oxy-Acetylene or TIG and
> wouldn't touch
> "brazing"
> materials for aluminum or steel because of the risk
> of getting cold-flow
> joints.
> It's not easy to test for either.
>
> With TIG, its like a sewing machine. With
> Oxy-Acetylene, you have to be
> very on
> top of it to get it right. With rivets, you form,
> punch or drill, fasten
> and seal. There
> are lots of examples of riveted tanks out there.
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS close to the 98% done
> www.macsmachine.com
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Making Spars. Wing ribs all done. Scratchin Head on the fuel tanks.
Elevator waiting for skins. Stab,Flaps,Ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection.
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| Subject: | Re: How to bend rudder horn? (701) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, Armin
I am building a 601, but I think the rudder is similar to the 701. To be sure,
see
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/data/6-t-5.gif
part 6T5-3
I managed to make a good part on my fourth attempt.
I bent it on a vise, starting with a rectangle where all I had made was the bolt
and relief holes.
The location of the relief holes relative to the vide jaws is importan, or (1)
the bend will be
too far from it or (1) it will crack. That accounts for two of my attempts. The
third one was
good, but I was using a dremmel tool to shape a curve when it slipped and made
a notchwhere none
was required...
BTW, I find the dremmel to be more of a liability than an asset, if you are note
*very* careful
with the darn thing. It assisted me in screwing up parts a number of times.
You might want to make some partial horns just ro preactice...
Be patient, measure often and be careful.
Good luck
Carlos
--- awendt@uniserve.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: awendt@uniserve.com
>
> Hello All!
> I've searched hi and low as best as I could with my s l o w dial-up connection
> I get out here in the wilderness, but can't find a resource for how to bend the
> angle for the rudder horn. Beating it with a hammer won't do. Suggestions?
> Thanks!
> Armin
> (This is my first post, please be gentle)
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| Subject: | Re: How to bend rudder horn? (701) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 1/21/2004 5:20:02 AM Mountain Standard Time,
iflyul@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Ingraham" <iflyul@hotmail.com>
>
> The rudder horn I got from the factory was a piece of angle that required
> only some filing to bring it to shape, rond the corners ,etc......It took
> all of about 10 minutes....I think I've got some pics. send me an email if
> you need them......Hope that helps.....Eric
>
>
> From: awendt@uniserve.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: How to bend rudder horn? (701)
> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:42:42 -0800
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: awendt@uniserve.com
>
> Hello All!
> I've searched hi and low as best as I could with my s l o w dial-up
> connection
> I get out here in the wilderness, but can't find a resource for how to bend
> the
> angle for the rudder horn. Beating it with a hammer won't do. Suggestions?
> Thanks!
> Armin
>
I can teel you that on my 801 kit the manual says to bend the horn to get it
to line up with the cable fairlead. I ended up taking almost all the factory
bend back out. My suggestion is to make it flat and massage it when you hang
the rudder. Mine was not that difficult to bend. Maybe other 701 builders can
expand on their experiences.
Ben Haas N801BH Jackson Hole Wy
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| Subject: | Re: Plane Fun Fly-in (Florida) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 1/21/2004 6:02:54 AM Mountain Standard Time,
CBRxxDRV@aol.com writes:
>
> ***(Plane Fun Fly-In)*** Jan. 30, 2004 Fri., Jan. 31., Sat., Feb. 1, Sun. ,
>
> South Lakeland Airport ( X49 ) Camp under your wing on Friday evening.
> Pancake breakfast in the morning, Hot dogs for lunch, and chili / soap for
> supper.
> Live Music! Forums, seminars, story telling, hanger flying planed.
>
>
My 801 is painted the same colors as the Tide detergent bottle. If I come
will you eat my plane???? <g>
Ben Haas N801BH do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: fuel quanity instumentation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi;
mine works fine after 10 years & 1000+ hours.
Mike
UHS Spinners
CH-601HDS C-FRND
Joemotis@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
>
> Does any one have any results good/bad on the Skysports capacitance fuel
> quanity system?
> Joe Motis
> 601 XL
>
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| Subject: | Bending 701 rudder horn... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
I placed some rounded oak blocks in a vice with the rudder horn in between
and then placed another wood block on the horn to protect it from my bashing
dead blow hammer. There is a picture of this method in the old
plans/manual.
It can be done - slowly - just check the angle after a couple of blows.
Martin
STOL-Vair 710
Winnipeg, Canada
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Bending 701 rudder horn...
I placed some rounded oak blocks in a vice with the rudder horn in between and
then placed another wood block on the horn to protect it from my bashing dead
blow hammer. There is a picture of this method in the old plans/manual.
It can be done - slowly - just check the angle after a couple of blows.
Martin
STOL-Vair 710
Winnipeg, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: fuel quanity instumentation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: royt.or@netzero.com
Joe,
I'm using Skysports fuel senders in my leading edge tanks and my wing locker tank
of my CH601HDS. The senders work as expected.
The senders in the leading edge tanks are mounted on the inboard side of the tank,
the probe is bent down toward the bottom of the tank, then bent up so it extents
to the upper most corner of the tank. The wind locker tank is top mounted.
Note that the senders are linear, but the shape of the tank results in a non-linear
reading on a standard gauge.
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 160 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank can-o-worms |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
David: I got some of this rod, called alumaloy, at a farm show a few years back.
I have tried it on several aluminum repairs and it either holds like a steel
weld or not at all. I have had it look like a good weld and then just fall apart
as soon as you pick the piece up and I have repaired a handle on a machine
which was under extreme stress and it is still holding. I would not trust it
for any thing critical in an airplane.
Jack Russell
David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth
Thanks Larry.
I will do a little research on how to seal the riveted
tanks. I would just need slightly larger flanges than
those on the tank in the plans.
They really do some amazing stuff with the brazing on
the site video. You might just want to take a little
look at it. They even use it to repair an aluminum pop
can they punched a hole in.
http://www.aluminumrepair.com/login/main.asp
==============
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Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:57:00 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Brent's link to old Bernie (below) has in it a link to the best "How to Fly the
701" site I've ever seen. It's been mentioned in this forum previously but newer
members might not be aware.
http://www.acomodata.com/zenair701/flying.htm
>Several years ago this list was blessed by frequent posts from Bernie
>Gunn, a 601 builder in New Zealand.
>In case anyone might be wondering what one might do with a Zodie once
>it's built, you have to visit this site:
> http://www.alpinenz.com/index.html
Thanks Brent. SnF '04?
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank can-o-worms |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, Jack
I'm not advocating the use of this product, but to be fair, they say:
"Not to be confused with Alumaloy, Alumaweld, Alumarod, Durafix, Aladdin 3 in 1,
or any other
first generation rods,..."
It looks impressive, but I wouldn't be willing to pioneer its use in my 601...
Cheers
Carlos
* do not archive *
--- Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
>
> David: I got some of this rod, called alumaloy, at a farm show a few years back.
I have tried it
> on several aluminum repairs and it either holds like a steel weld or not at all.
I have had it
> look like a good weld and then just fall apart as soon as you pick the piece
up and I have
> repaired a handle on a machine which was under extreme stress and it is still
holding. I would
> not trust it for any thing critical in an airplane.
> Jack Russell
>
> David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth
>
> Thanks Larry.
>
> I will do a little research on how to seal the riveted
> tanks. I would just need slightly larger flanges than
> those on the tank in the plans.
>
> They really do some amazing stuff with the brazing on
> the site video. You might just want to take a little
> look at it. They even use it to repair an aluminum pop
> can they punched a hole in.
>
> http://www.aluminumrepair.com/login/main.asp
>
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| Subject: | Re: How to bend rudder horn? (701) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
The Dremel tool isn't much good on aluminum parts, it tends to grab the material
and is so light it takes off in its own direction before you can react. A bench
mounted belt or disk sander is much more useful. For shaping the aluminum
fittings I usually just rough cut them with a hack saw and finished them either
on a disk sander or by hand with a file. The Dremel might be easier to use if
you clamp it to your bench and use sanding bits in it while holding the part
in your hands. Grinding bits are useless for aluminum because they clog up so
fast.
Bryan Martin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> BTW, I find the dremmel to be more of a liability than an asset, if you are note
> *very* careful
> with the darn thing. It assisted me in screwing up parts a number of times.
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| Subject: | Re: Plane Fun Fly-in (Florida) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/21/04 10:16:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Benford2@aol.com writes:
> My 801 is painted the same colors as the Tide detergent bottle. If I come
> will you eat my plane???? <g>
>
> Ben Haas N801BH do not archive
>
Soup :)) not soap I may never live this down :)
Sal Capra
Lakeland, FL
My Home Page
http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Plane Fun Fly-in (Florida) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 1/21/2004 1:20:54 PM Mountain Standard Time,
CBRxxDRV@aol.com writes:
>
> > My 801 is painted the same colors as the Tide detergent bottle. If I come
> > will you eat my plane???? <g>
> >
> > Ben Haas N801BH do not archive
> >
>
> Soup :)) not soap I may never live this down :)
>
> Sal Capra
> Lakeland, FL
> My Home Page
> http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html
>
>
All of us Zenith builders are little different anyway... Ha ha . I hope to
make Sun &Fun. if I do look me up and I will buy ya lunch.
Ben Haas. N801BH do not archive.
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| Subject: | How to bend ruddder horn-701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <petes15515@msn.com>
Armin, I clamped the unbent rudder horn between two 1' pieces of steel angle
and then placed that in a vice. A piece of wood alongside the exposed
ruddder horn and several ( more than several ! ) good hits with a 4 lb.
hammer achieved the desired bend. Worked up a bit of a sweat but that worked
for me. Good luck. Peter
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank can-o-worms |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john tarabocchia" <TARABOCCHIA@peoplepc.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
>
> Don't do it! It is not as strong as welding and will break. If you
> need them welded send them to me and I will weld them for you. That is
> the business I am in. I make aluminum motorcycle parts and Harley
> frames. I won't do it for free but I will do it for you cheap. If you
> need it done just let me know.
>
> Brett
Sub-Conscious business pitch. I riveted my tanks and resealed them. 130
hrs and 2.5 years later no sign of trouble.
My first airplane, a Grumman Tiger that was 25 years old, never leaked.
Records showed that the tanks were never resealed. Good track record.
Welded tanks need to be removed from the wing then reworked. A sealed tank
must have an access panel to construct. This panel also serves a way to
re-seal the tank while in the wing.
John Tarabocchia
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| Subject: | Re: fuel quanity instumentation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john tarabocchia" <TARABOCCHIA@peoplepc.com>
> Joe,
>
> I'm using Skysports fuel senders in my leading edge tanks and my wing
locker tank of my CH601HDS. The senders work as expected.
>
> The senders in the leading edge tanks are mounted on the inboard side of
the tank, the probe is bent down toward the bottom of the tank, then bent up
so it extents to the upper most corner of the tank. The wind locker tank is
top mounted. Note that the senders are linear, but the shape of the tank
results in a non-linear reading on a standard gauge.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roy
> N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 160
hrs.
>
Hey Roy,
How many gallons are your capable of carrying?
John Tarabocchia
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| Subject: | Re: Flying the 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Thanks Jeff, that is terrific info on flying the 701.
Does anybody know of a similar site addressing the 601?
Bob Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Flying the 701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>
> Brent's link to old Bernie (below) has in it a link to the best "How to
Fly the 701" site I've ever seen. It's been mentioned in this forum
previously but newer members might not be aware.
>
> http://www.acomodata.com/zenair701/flying.htm
>
> >Several years ago this list was blessed by frequent posts from Bernie
> >Gunn, a 601 builder in New Zealand.
>
> >In case anyone might be wondering what one might do with a Zodie once
> >it's built, you have to visit this site:
>
> > http://www.alpinenz.com/index.html
>
> Thanks Brent. SnF '04?
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Hillebrand <masterbogun@yahoo.com>
As much as I hate to I have to sell my 90% complete 701. I live in the midwest.All
you need to finish is tailfeathers,flaps and slats.With that done just add
motor , firewall forward and paint you will have a finished ch701. I need to
sell cause of other financial reasons. I'll let it go for a fare price
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
HDS Builders,
Does anyone have a rib #7a cad or other such
drawing for the HDS wing. (leading edge tank)
Respectfully,
Brandon Tucker
HDS 4078
working on le tanks
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| Subject: | Re: ch701 for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
Let me know how much.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Hillebrand
<masterbogun@yahoo.com>
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> As much as I hate to I have to sell my 90% complete 701. I live in
the midwest.All you need to finish is tailfeathers,flaps and
slats.With that done just add motor , firewall forward and paint you
will have a finished ch701. I need to sell cause of other financial
reasons. I'll let it go for a fare price
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-- Thanks
Brett Ray
owner Hog Air
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| Subject: | Still Lovin It!!!!!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
Well today, 1/21/2004, was the third anniversary of the first flight for
my 601 HDS.
Total flight time is 300.9 hours, 192 flights with 414 landings.
It is still loads of fun and always puts a smile on my face when I fly the
Zodiac.
Do not archive.
Bill
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