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1. 07:42 AM - Re: ch701 for sale (daddybob)
2. 08:06 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 01/21/04 (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
3. 08:08 AM - Re: ch701 for sale (Robert Hillebrand)
4. 08:19 AM - Re: Still Lovin It!!!!!! (Bob Miller)
5. 08:22 AM - Re: stall speeds and sport pilot (Bob Miller)
6. 08:50 AM - N601RT fuel capacity was Re: fuel quanity instumentation (royt.or@netzero.com)
7. 02:45 PM - Re: Flying the 701 (Phil & Michele Miller)
8. 02:57 PM - Design for wheel-skis (Frank Jones)
9. 04:47 PM - Re: Flying the 701 (MXSportPilot@aol.com)
10. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: ch701 for sale (Brett Ray)
11. 05:38 PM - First Timer Question (Mick)
12. 05:55 PM - Re: First Timer Question (Joemotis@aol.com)
13. 07:38 PM - Re: First Timer Question (Jack Russell)
14. 09:18 PM - Re: First Timer Question (Graham Kirby)
15. 09:31 PM - Re: First Timer Question (Steve)
16. 10:14 PM - [ Chris Weber ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
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| Subject: | Re: ch701 for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: daddybob <daddybob52954@yahoo.com>
Hey Brett, if you buy it, do you promise to hang a Hog
on it and give us video and sound? Can't wait! DB
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray"
<brett@hog-air.com>
Let me know how much.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Hillebrand
<masterbogun@yahoo.com>
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> As much as I hate to I have to sell my 90% complete
701. I live in
the midwest.All you need to finish is
tailfeathers,flaps and
slats.With that done just add motor , firewall forward
and paint you
will have a finished ch701. I need to sell cause of
other financial
reasons. I'll let it go for a fare price
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 01/21/04 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Bill, Glad you are still keeping the "RiteAngle" :-) Keep enjoying it!
Elbie
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
Well today, 1/21/2004, was the third anniversary of the first flight for
my 601 HDS.
Total flight time is 300.9 hours, 192 flights with 414 landings.
It is still loads of fun and always puts a smile on my face when I fly the
Zodiac
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| Subject: | Re: ch701 for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Hillebrand <masterbogun@yahoo.com>
Price is $16,000.00. That means you can have a flying 701 for 25,000.00
Brett Ray <brett@hog-air.com> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray"
Let me know how much.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Hillebrand
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> As much as I hate to I have to sell my 90% complete 701. I live in
the midwest.All you need to finish is tailfeathers,flaps and
slats.With that done just add motor , firewall forward and paint you
will have a finished ch701. I need to sell cause of other financial
reasons. I'll let it go for a fare price
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owner Hog Air
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| Subject: | Re: Still Lovin It!!!!!! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Congratulations and thanks. As you know, many of us builders appreciate the
motivation.
414 landings in 300 hours, sounds like you're getting lots of practice.
Have you been practicing engine outs, and if so what engine do you have and
what have you learned about the most realistic way to practice? (ie, what
rpm to have the prop spinning to simulate an engine out, etc)
Bob Miller
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From: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Still Lovin It!!!!!!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
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> Well today, 1/21/2004, was the third anniversary of the first flight for
> my 601 HDS.
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> Total flight time is 300.9 hours, 192 flights with 414 landings.
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> It is still loads of fun and always puts a smile on my face when I fly the
> Zodiac.
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> Do not archive.
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> Bill
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| Subject: | Re: stall speeds and sport pilot |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Jeff,
I want to add my appreciation to those expressed by others.
It's easy to get distracted by irrelevancies and miss the most significant
factors.
Your level-headed approach keeps us all safer as well as focussed on what's
genuinely important.
Bob Miller
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| Subject: | Re: N601RT fuel capacity was Re: fuel quanity instumentation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: royt.or@netzero.com
John Tarabocchia asked "Roy, How many gallons are your capable of carrying?"
John, N601RT holds 11 gallons in each of two leading edge tanks and 7 plus gallons
in the single left side wing locker tank. Total 29 plus gallons.
Each tank feeds a 4 port fuel selector valve, centerally mounted on the floor of
the plane. Output of fuel selector goes to fuel filter, T fitting to parallel
electric fuel pumps, outputs joined at T fitting, through fuel flow sensor the
to the firewall mounted gascolator. From gascolator to the mechanical Rotax
fuel pump then to T fitting to feed each carburator. I also have a fuel pressure
sender after the Rotax fuel pump, sensing the pressure to the carburators.
I typically average 4.8-5.0 GPH. My longest flight has been 5.7 hours. (I was really
glad to have Oregon Aero seats after flying 20 hours in two days, when returning
from OSH->HIO. This included the 5.7 hour leg.)
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 160hrs.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil & Michele Miller" <millerpg@ps.gen.nz>
Bob,
I can't tell you of such a site but I know Niol Lockington (owner of the
accomodata site). He would be very happy to produce a similar site for
the 601 if anyone wants to give him one to fly for a year or three.
Just kidding. Do not archive.
Cheers,
Phil Miller (not related)
New Zealand
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Miller
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying the 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
--> <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Thanks Jeff, that is terrific info on flying the 701.
Does anybody know of a similar site addressing the 601?
Bob Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Flying the 701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
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> Brent's link to old Bernie (below) has in it a link to the best "How
> to
Fly the 701" site I've ever seen. It's been mentioned in this forum
previously but newer members might not be aware.
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> http://www.acomodata.com/zenair701/flying.htm
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> >Several years ago this list was blessed by frequent posts from Bernie
> >Gunn, a 601 builder in New Zealand.
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> >In case anyone might be wondering what one might do with a Zodie once
> >it's built, you have to visit this site:
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> > http://www.alpinenz.com/index.html
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> Thanks Brent. SnF '04?
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| Subject: | Design for wheel-skis |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
Does anyone know of a source of plans or pictures at least for wheel
skis for the 601XL? I'm missing building and it would be fun to land on
a frozen lake.
Frank Jones
C-GYXQ 601XL 912S 25.9 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Flying the 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MXSportPilot@aol.com
In a message dated 1/22/2004 5:46:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
millerpg@ps.gen.nz writes:
> http://www.acomodata.com/zenair701/flying.htm
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Thanks for the information on the 701..Boy that guy is one cool dude and the
701 is a great aircraft..the best CH ever designed to my way of thinking, but
I must admit I am enamored with the her!
Happy landings all!
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| Subject: | Re: ch701 for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
That is just what I was planning to do with it.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: daddybob <daddybob52954@yahoo.com>
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> Hey Brett, if you buy it, do you promise to hang a Hog
> on it and give us video and sound? Can't wait! DB
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray"
> <brett@hog-air.com>
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> Let me know how much.
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> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Hillebrand
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> <masterbogun@yahoo.com>
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> > As much as I hate to I have to sell my 90% complete
> 701. I live in
> the midwest.All you need to finish is
> tailfeathers,flaps and
> slats.With that done just add motor , firewall forward
> and paint you
> will have a finished ch701. I need to sell cause of
> other financial
> reasons. I'll let it go for a fare price
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-- Thanks
Brett Ray
owner Hog Air
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| Subject: | First Timer Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mick <mickrobertss@yahoo.com>
I'm about to start ordering sections and tools to start building an XL. Any tips
before I start?
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| Subject: | Re: First Timer Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Hi Mick
I started by cleaning the garage and the loft. The attachment is of the
movable work table that I built.
Happy building
Joe Motis
601 XL
Wings and fuselage coming on Feb. 7
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| Subject: | Re: First Timer Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Mick <mickrobertss@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mick
I'm about to start ordering sections and tools to start building an XL. Any tips
before I start?
Mick: One word - clecos. Order lots of clecos. Ok, maybe more than one word. I
don't know how many I bought from ZAC (whatever was recommended) but I had to
order about 200 more 1/8" from aircraft spruce. It seems I am always running out.
Other tools which I could not live without are:
Drill Press- Could be done without but I wouldn't want to.
Air compressor -I love the sound of air tools because they sound so professional.
The air drill is smaller and lighter than electric. I also have a right angle
air drill.
Jig saw- small cuts. Make sure you rig a way to hold the work down to the table.
I use my table saw for long cuts even on thin work by clamping a board at the
front of the blade and feeding the stock under the board. It keeps the thin
piece from chattering.
40" bending brake from harbor- I started with a 30 and found it to small. I have
made many mistakes and have remade parts with this brake. Which by the way,
I you buy the complete kit, ZAC throws in enough scrap aluminum to build a second
XL which is nice since I have probably remade half of the plane!
Rivet spacing tool- handy
Bench- I built 2 4x8 benchs that mate together with a inch overlap on the top plywood.
I worked well to build the rear fuselage then I split it in the center
to install the landing gear and front fuselage. It just seemed easier than the
steel setup that ZAC shows. Then I put it back together to get started on the
wings.
Sharpie- Splurge and get a whole box. I think I am on my second.
Angle Gage- One of those circle angle gages with a magnet on the bottom from Harbor
that shows the degree of angle. I used this a lot but I can't seem to get
it to stick to the aluminum. Must be something defective.
Lots of different files: Chain saw files are also handy. And the best thing I found
for smoothing a edge after cutting with hand cutter is the kind of knife
sharpener with the V notch.
1/2" drill bit: After using all the deburring methods in the world I keep going
back to the drill bit with a half twist by hand. Fast and I don't see that it
cuts into the aluminum at all. It is a old dull one though.
One other thing which you will need is a good vocabulary of profanity.
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | First Timer Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" <gkirby@yahoo.com>
**I'm about to start ordering sections and tools to start building an XL.
Any tips before I start?**
Mick: If you plan to get the whole kit at once or major sub-kits shipped to
you, the first thing you need to be prepared is to unload a 10ft long 400lb+
crate off the back of a truck without the luxury of an electric lift. The
truck driver seemed a little surprised when my house didn't have a delivery
dock for him to back up to! Fortunately I had plenty of neighbors to help
get the crate into my garage.
By the way the crate itself makes a great base for a workbench and with the
end pieces removed you can leave a lot of the pieces in it until you need
them.
Regarding tools, my preference is for a fast cordless electric drill over an
air drill because my compressor is so noisy and my best building time is
late in the evening. As Jack mentioned a small drill press and rivet
spacing tools are a great help. Other things that haven't been mentioned
are the green scotchbrite pads and "Goof-Off" for removing scratches and
sticker-glue from the kit parts.
Graham Kirby
601HD
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| Subject: | Re: First Timer Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve" <stshuck@comcast.net>
And maybe some good reliable help.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Russell" <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Timer Question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
> Mick <mickrobertss@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mick
>
> I'm about to start ordering sections and tools to start building an XL.
Any tips before I start?
>
>
> Mick: One word - clecos. Order lots of clecos. Ok, maybe more than one
word. I don't know how many I bought from ZAC (whatever was recommended) but
I had to order about 200 more 1/8" from aircraft spruce. It seems I am
always running out.
>
> Other tools which I could not live without are:
>
> Drill Press- Could be done without but I wouldn't want to.
>
> Air compressor -I love the sound of air tools because they sound so
professional. The air drill is smaller and lighter than electric. I also
have a right angle air drill.
>
> Jig saw- small cuts. Make sure you rig a way to hold the work down to the
table. I use my table saw for long cuts even on thin work by clamping a
board at the front of the blade and feeding the stock under the board. It
keeps the thin piece from chattering.
>
> 40" bending brake from harbor- I started with a 30 and found it to small.
I have made many mistakes and have remade parts with this brake. Which by
the way, I you buy the complete kit, ZAC throws in enough scrap aluminum to
build a second XL which is nice since I have probably remade half of the
plane!
>
> Rivet spacing tool- handy
>
> Bench- I built 2 4x8 benchs that mate together with a inch overlap on the
top plywood. I worked well to build the rear fuselage then I split it in the
center to install the landing gear and front fuselage. It just seemed easier
than the steel setup that ZAC shows. Then I put it back together to get
started on the wings.
>
> Sharpie- Splurge and get a whole box. I think I am on my second.
>
> Angle Gage- One of those circle angle gages with a magnet on the bottom
from Harbor that shows the degree of angle. I used this a lot but I can't
seem to get it to stick to the aluminum. Must be something defective.
>
> Lots of different files: Chain saw files are also handy. And the best
thing I found for smoothing a edge after cutting with hand cutter is the
kind of knife sharpener with the V notch.
>
> 1/2" drill bit: After using all the deburring methods in the world I keep
going back to the drill bit with a half twist by hand. Fast and I don't see
that it cuts into the aluminum at all. It is a old dull one though.
>
> One other thing which you will need is a good vocabulary of profanity.
>
>
> Jack Russell -Clovis CA
> 601 XL Jabiru 3300
> Progress update at:
> http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
>
>
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