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1. 02:42 AM - Aviation Tin Snips (Lowell Metz)
2. 04:15 AM - Re: Prospect and Engine ? (caspainhower@aep.com)
3. 06:21 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 01/23/04 First Timer Question (WOldejr@aol.com)
4. 06:22 AM - Re: Aviation Tin Snips (Monty Graves)
5. 06:36 AM - Re: First Timer Question (Hal Rozema)
6. 07:45 AM - Re: Prospect and Engine ? (Bryan Martin)
7. 07:51 AM - CH701 Plans builders (Richard Brown)
8. 09:38 AM - Re: First Timer Question (Jim Kepford)
9. 10:05 AM - engines (MYSTERY MAN)
10. 10:52 AM - Choosing an engine (get out the dartboard) (Jeff Small)
11. 11:47 AM - Taiwan (Thilo Kind)
12. 11:55 AM - Re: Prospect and Engine ? (Thomas F Marson)
13. 12:25 PM - Re: CH601 Brake pads (WAYNE BEATTIE)
14. 12:44 PM - Re: Engine choices (Dabusmith@aol.com)
15. 01:18 PM - Height? (Joe Hutcheson)
16. 02:36 PM - Re: Taiwan (Larry McFarland)
17. 02:47 PM - Re: Height? (Larry McFarland)
18. 02:54 PM - Re: Height? (Jeff Small)
19. 03:00 PM - Wheel fairings (Larry McFarland)
20. 03:29 PM - Re: CH701 Plans builders (Mark Townsend)
21. 07:07 PM - Re: CH601 Brake pads (Mike Fothergill)
22. 09:30 PM - Re: Prospect and Engine ? (Greg Ferris)
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| Subject: | Aviation Tin Snips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
Not to cause any hard feelings but to clear up a little misconception on an earlier
posting. Aviation tin snips come in 3 models. Right hand, left hand, and
straight. They are not for right handed people, left handed people and straight
people. Their design makes them easy to cut a right hand curve, a left
hand curve, and a straight line.
Lowell Metz
finished 701 in Florida
My PPL check ride is at 8:00 this AM so maybe I can fly MY PLANE next week
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Prospect and Engine ? |
01/24/2004 07:14:24 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>I think it was almost $15,000 with accesories, motor, etc.
>Is this the norm? Are there any lower cost alternatives? I don't want
anything
>unreliable, but if I total the kit price and motor are close to the
$30,000
>figure, I may have to consider an old C150.
Dan,
As no one has yet mentioned, the original engine used to power the
601XL was a Lycoming 0-235, the engine you will find in that old C150. You
can pick up a mid-time engine with complete engine logs for around $6,000
and theoretically be able to run as long as that new rotax or jabiru. I
picked up a 1600 hr engine for $3,500 as I plan to rebuild it myself (with
my A&P checking my work). There are certainly a lot of alternatives but I
plan to fly IFR and don't think there is a more dependable aircraft engine
made. That was part of the reason I selected the XL.
Craig S.
601XL, N601XS tail done, second wing 90%.
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| Subject: | Re: First Timer Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: WOldejr@aol.com
Craig S.
I have used Titanium coated drill bits, and have actually burned them up.
Treat yourself to a cobalt bit from a MAC tool sales truck.
The difference is incredible. The cobalt bits are designed for comercial us
to cut through the steel frame of a truck. In short, they work very well and
hold their edge longer than any drill I have tried.
Respects
Ted
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| Subject: | Re: Aviation Tin Snips |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
At 05:46 AM 1/24/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
>
>Not to cause any hard feelings but to clear up a little misconception on
an earlier posting. Aviation tin snips come in 3 models. Right hand, left
hand, and straight. They are not for right handed people, left handed
people and straight people. Their design makes them easy to cut a right
hand curve, a left hand curve, and a straight line.
>
>Lowell Metz
>finished 701 in Florida
>My PPL check ride is at 8:00 this AM so maybe I can fly MY PLANE next week
>
No hard feelings.
You Are absolutely correct. Sorry for causing the misconception. I was
trying to point out one doesn't need to buy all three pair (colors) to
build a Zenith plane. For most, one pair of red color handled deep
offset PROSNIP model 20SL (if the person is right handed) is sufficient.
http://www.toolking.com/irwin/view.asp?id=2298
Hold the piece in the left hand operate with the right hand and cut strait
or any curve turning to the left. This one set of snips will cut all of
the parts needed on a Zenith plane, either plans or kit built, without
leaving the stress marks along the cut edge that other aviation snips do.
Thousands of planes have been built with other brands of snips. I own
several sets of all three makes(right, left, strait) from several
companies. IMHO the ones I mentioned are the best.
The other vinyl and alum Andy snips I mentioned for cutting long strait
cuts from sheets can be seen here
http://www.malcotools.com/products/snips/snips.htm
good luck on the check ride. I wish I was that far along.
Monty
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| Subject: | Re: First Timer Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Guys:
It always interests me to notice the amount of effort some craftsmen stir up in
search of absolute perfection. And how sloppy people like myself treat the same
problem with near indifference.
"theplanefolks" (our company name) Aircraft Factory began on our rear patio.
Seven foot wide wall to wall. We unpacked the 701 kit in the front drive, stored
the fuselage parts on bicycle racks on the garage wall and took the rest to the
patio through the living room.
A trip to our supply room (with the large logo over the door, "HOME DEPOT") got
us two 30x72 folding party tables and two 10 foot 2x2s. and a 4 foot level. The
2x2s screwed through the tables to make one 30x144 table. Then with my supply of
old business cards for shims under the table legs and the level on top we
leveled it up in minutes.
This served for rudder, stabilizer, elevator, all flaperons and slats, and both
wing assemblies. Oh yes, we could build the entire wing OK in our confined
space, but we could only work at one end at a time. We had to "outsource" the
other end to work on the root or wing tip properly. "Outsourcing" was what my
wife and I called it laughingly when we had to carry it into our living room and
walk around the sofa and back out onto the patio with it the other way round.
Next, we build a 4 foot wide shelf over the hoods of our cars to clear the floor
area of the garage of stored components (patio products) and parked my car down
the street so we could build an airplane (fuselage). With the rudder post into
the far corner and the engine on its mounts, the prop hub is about an inch from
the inside face of the overhead door with the body angled from corner to corner.
For a while the fuselage sat on the same table (now moved to the garage) and now
with the bird on its wheels the "work benches" sit under the upper ward sloping
tail with the current bits and pieces, tools, plans, and aluminum chips.
Properly done one should find aluminum chips scattered about the house... gives
one something to stick in your feet getting out of bed or to study while seated
upon the household throne.
I have observed the need to live, eat and sleep close to ones project. I
believe I have built my entire plane while others were on the road driving to or
from their hangar or failing to go at all because the drive time did not justify
the work opportunity.
Hal Rozema, Phoenix
theplanefolks.net
VSTOL CH701/3300
Robin Gould wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robin Gould <rgould1@ix.netcom.com>
>
> Mick,
> I also suggest your table top over hang the bottom frame by 1.5 to 2
> inches or so, to allow for a edge to clamp from ("C" clamps, spring
> clamps, etc.) very handy.
> Also might consider 2 sets of cleco pliers, one for each side of the
> work table (it seems like every time you want to use your cleco pliers,
> you have left them, in a unreachable spot, on the other side of the 12
> foot table!) ;-)
>
> >
> >7. make yourself a nice LEVEL table 4'X12' is the size I recommend- I also
> >suggest putting onto it some hashmarks spaced at 1 inch - take a look at
> >mine at http://bill.howerton.com/zodiac/zodiac_main.htm
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mick" <mickrobertss@yahoo.com>
> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Zenith-List: First Timer Question
> >
> >
> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mick <mickrobertss@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >>I'm about to start ordering sections and tools to start building an XL.
> >>
> >Any tips before I start?
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prospect and Engine ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 1/24/04 7:14 AM, caspainhower@aep.com at caspainhower@aep.com wrote:
> Dan,
> As no one has yet mentioned, the original engine used to power the
> 601XL was a Lycoming 0-235, the engine you will find in that old C150.
Actually the O-235 is used in the C-152. The C-150 used the Continental
O-200. Either engine would work well in the 601 and are available on the
used market. The O-235 will give you about 15 more HP and is still in
production.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Panel and engine installed.
Nearly done.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | CH701 Plans builders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Brown" <dicknginni@erinet.com>
I am new to the list and desire to build a CH701 from scratch. Anyone else in the
same "dream" I can ask questioins about such a task? I am not a rookie; having
built two all wood planes; however metal is new to me. Thanks for your input
of any kind.... Dick Brown
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| Subject: | Re: First Timer Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford <snowy_91@yahoo.com>
Sound about like me, I'm about 2 years out from building a new house with a shop.
Still considering moving out a little farther in the country and buying about
20 acres to have my own strip. For now I using a room in the house called the
"dining room" rumor as it that a few generations ago it was a place people
used to use to eat their meals in. I find it a 14 ft by 14 ft room with no real
purpose, till now. ;) I have a garage in Brookings (20 miles) that I keep my
motorcyclyes in but it's not close enough for a project such as this. With the
plane here I can always put an hour or to day in the building of it. As for
what engine to use in my 701, I have serveral years to figure that one out. Keep
in mind the choices in engines is very likely to change in the next serveral
years with the new sport plane catigory.
Did I mention that I have a most understanding wife? :)
Jim Kepford
Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema
Guys:
It always interests me to notice the amount of effort some craftsmen stir up in
search of absolute perfection. And how sloppy people like myself treat the same
problem with near indifference.
"theplanefolks" (our company name) Aircraft Factory began on our rear patio.
Seven foot wide wall to wall. We unpacked the 701 kit in the front drive, stored
the fuselage parts on bicycle racks on the garage wall and took the rest to the
patio through the living room.
A trip to our supply room (with the large logo over the door, "HOME DEPOT") got
us two 30x72 folding party tables and two 10 foot 2x2s. and a 4 foot level. The
2x2s screwed through the tables to make one 30x144 table. Then with my supply of
old business cards for shims under the table legs and the level on top we
leveled it up in minutes.
This served for rudder, stabilizer, elevator, all flaperons and slats, and both
wing assemblies. Oh yes, we could build the entire wing OK in our confined
space, but we could only work at one end at a time. We had to "outsource" the
other end to work on the root or wing tip properly. "Outsourcing" was what my
wife and I called it laughingly when we had to carry it into our living room and
walk around the sofa and back out onto the patio with it the other way round.
Next, we build a 4 foot wide shelf over the hoods of our cars to clear the floor
area of the garage of stored components (patio products) and parked my car down
the street so we could build an airplane (fuselage). With the rudder post into
the far corner and the engine on its mounts, the prop hub is about an inch from
the inside face of the overhead door with the body angled from corner to corner.
For a while the fuselage sat on the same table (now moved to the garage) and now
with the bird on its wheels the "work benches" sit under the upper ward sloping
tail with the current bits and pieces, tools, plans, and aluminum chips.
Properly done one should find aluminum chips scattered about the house... gives
one something to stick in your feet getting out of bed or to study while seated
upon the household throne.
I have observed the need to live, eat and sleep close to ones project. I
believe I have built my entire plane while others were on the road driving to or
from their hangar or failing to go at all because the drive time did not justify
the work opportunity.
Hal Rozema, Phoenix
theplanefolks.net
VSTOL CH701/3300
Robin Gould wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robin Gould
>
> Mick,
> I also suggest your table top over hang the bottom frame by 1.5 to 2
> inches or so, to allow for a edge to clamp from ("C" clamps, spring
> clamps, etc.) very handy.
> Also might consider 2 sets of cleco pliers, one for each side of the
> work table (it seems like every time you want to use your cleco pliers,
> you have left them, in a unreachable spot, on the other side of the 12
> foot table!) ;-)
>
> >
> >7. make yourself a nice LEVEL table 4'X12' is the size I recommend- I also
> >suggest putting onto it some hashmarks spaced at 1 inch - take a look at
> >mine at http://bill.howerton.com/zodiac/zodiac_main.htm
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mick"
> >To:
> >Subject: Zenith-List: First Timer Question
> >
> >
> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mick
> >>
> >>I'm about to start ordering sections and tools to start building an XL.
> >>
> >Any tips before I start?
> >
>
---------------------------------
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "MYSTERY MAN" <leb1944@hotmail.com>
The 150's had 0-200 Continentals. One would have to go to a 152 Cessna for
the 0-235. However,
some were used on older Pipers in the PA series. A late model good 0-235
Lycoming ain't cheap.
Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here.
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| Subject: | Choosing an engine (get out the dartboard) |
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:54:33 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>As no one has yet mentioned, the original engine used to power
>the 601XL was a Lycoming 0-235, the engine you will find in that
>old C150 (sic, C-152).
Actually...according to "Memo from Chris" in the September/October, 1998, issue
#108 of the Zenair Newsletter, the Jabiru 3300 was the first engine installed.
Mention of the Jabiru as the first engine is made again in issue #109 (along
with first picture of the XL), and again in issue #110 as part of an editor's
recount of the original announcement.
This was the prototype XL that had three-section wings ala the HD, HDS models.
If you were an XL builder you had, by this time, already received a letter from
Sebastien to the effect that the XL would be delayed. The Zenair Newsletter
published this letter in the September/October, 1999, issue #114.
Going back to the May/June, 1999, issue # 112, the "Memo from Chris" had this:
"I am concentrating on the flight tests of the above STOL CH 801 rather than
the Zodiac CH 601 XL where we replaced the Jabiru 3300 which does not produce
the expected 120 BHP (hence does not give the performance) with the well known
Lycoming 0-235 (115 BHP). A more efficient wing design is also on the drawing
board." He goes on to say..."and what we are doing to reduce the drag of the
airplane to achieve top performance."
That last line was more telling than any of us knew - when it resurfaced the XL
had the two piece wings with the dihedral break at the fuselage and refined airfoil.
Remember, the SP/LSA NPRM hadn't been finalized yet and the emphasis
was to get a model of the 601 available with higher speeds.
Also unknown to most was the difficulty Jabiru owners/customers were having in
this country with the only Jabiru dealer with whom most of us could deal. That
chap on the left coast was not a good businessman and the high character of
the Heintz family was not going to do business with him. (Things at Jabiru are
very, very different now, thankfully.)
Soooooo...the "...hence does not give the performance" issue was really addressed
by the new wing design as the 0-235 never gave the XL prototype the performance
either.
Using Zenith's gross weight performance figures from the website give the Lycoming
a one mph advantage in top speed, equal cruise speeds, and a considerable
rate of climb advantage to the Jabiru - 930 fpm for the Lycoming and 1200 fpm
for the Jab (less engine weight?).
And the point to all of this???? Second only in excitement level to choosing which
a/c you'll build is the choice of engine. If you're a newcomer to this
wonderful world of noisy tools, lost sleep, little money, increased use of Band-Aids,
colorful language (note the proximity of the last two), and heart-warming
camaraderie, TAKE YOUR TIME! There isn't a finished builder out there who
won't admit to buying a lot of things too early. Research your engine.
Admitting that I'm not a fan of auto-conversions the Corvair interest of late is
new to the 601 a/c. While only giving William Wynne's site a cursory perusal,
the info appears solid. If you find yourself asking Naderish questions about
this possibility why not give the combo some time to iron out the bugs. According
to his site, Wynne has built mounts for all types of engines, but I don't
see any left thrust in the mount he has on his 601; there's seems to be some
downthrust but from the views available no offset left. And the offset must
be left as the standard Corvair will rotate opposite the engines most of us
have clocked time behind. A "hand-propped" 'Vair will weigh 205 and a electric
start one in the Continental weight range - somewhere between 216 and 224.
The big spinner looks super cool and with the narrow width of the engine his cowl
should follow suit; however, he's made little to no comment about how he plans
the cooling plenums for such a closely cowled engine. Those who have done
self-engineered cooling ducts for a custom installation will tell you they're
a bear.
Do your homework and then do some more; keeps disappointments to minimum.
tailwinds jeff
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi folks,
a little bit off-topic, but anybody knows anything about the flying and / or
homebuilds in Taiwan? Might have to moved there for a few years...
Thanks
Thilo Kind
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| Subject: | Re: Prospect and Engine ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
Sorry Dan, the reality is that a good homebuilt with good engine,
instruments and radios is going to cost this much. But you will have a new
airplane that you built. You will have learned a tremedous amount and will
have many new good friends.
If the goal is cheap flying--------- buy a well preserved 150.
You really need to evaluate your motivations. I have built 3 different kits
and think it is great. But it is not "cheap". Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Sherburn" <dsherburn@charter.net>
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 Brake pads |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: WAYNE BEATTIE <waynebeattie@optonline.net>
Mike,
Is the full part number actually RA66-106 as shown in the A.S.S. catelogue
after market product line?
Also,
Has anyone used the re-line tool sold in A.S.S.? Does it work well? Is it
worth the money?
Wayne
N601WB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Fothergill" <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 Brake pads
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill
<mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
>
> Hi;
> The brake pads are a standard type that can be obtained from Aircraft
Spruce P/N
> RA-106 or you can order them from Matco.
> Mike
> UHS Spinners
>
> Richard McLachlan wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan"
<richard@rodsley.net>
> >
> > We have a CH601HDS that was the first one built in the UK. We need a new
set
> > of brake pads for it. As we did not build it ourselves, we do not have
any
> > of the original plans or documentation. I know the wheels come from came
> > from Matco but I have no other information.
> >
> > Can anybody help with a part number so we can obtain some new ones?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Richard McLachlan
> >
> > CH601/R22
> >
> > landing site details at www.rodsley.net
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choices |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
I am curious if there is any real data on engine reliability. I went with the
Rotax 912 ULS. I have seen friends fiddle with their alternative engines for
years. I admire them for that. I went through that with model airplanes. After
wrecking some great airplanes, I finally invested in mainstream engines and
enjoyed the hobby much more.
I would like info on my 701. I am cruising at 5500 RPM at 87 MPH and burning
4GPH. My climb is about 5350 RPM at 45 MPH. Is that about right?
Dave Smith
N701XL 71hr. Loving this thing!
PS. There is a guy from Oregon wanting to get in touch with me. Please leave
me your phone number and I'll give you a call. Sorry I deleted your message.
Do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Hutcheson" <jchutcheson@comcast.net>
I am starting the process of looking for kit possibilities. Apologies if I
missed this from obvious sources, but what is the space from seat to canopy
top? I am fairly tall (6 ft 1 in) and am somewhat longer in torso than most
others my height. For example, I found it was really tight when I "tried
on" a Sonex (very nice plane, nonetheless) and I have trouble fitting in
some mid size cars with sun roofs. Anybody have this figure handy?
Thanks.
Joe Hutcheson
Needham, MA
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Taiwan
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> a little bit off-topic, but anybody knows anything about the flying and /
or
> homebuilds in Taiwan? Might have to moved there for a few years...
>
> Thanks
>
> Thilo Kind
Thilo,
Aside from Chinese claims against Taiwan independence, I believe they
are a bit more restrictive than in US or Canada. It's not the free
and open government of the Americas. I'd be reluctant to go there for more
than a brief visit.
Taiwan was one place where a travel awareness briefing was required for DOD
employees.
Would be really surprised if there was an EAA chapter in Taiwan.
Larry McFarland
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Height?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Hutcheson"
<jchutcheson@comcast.net>
>
> I am starting the process of looking for kit possibilities. what is the
space from seat to canopy
> top? I am fairly tall (6 ft 1 in) and am somewhat longer in torso than
most
> others my height. >
> Joe Hutcheson
Joe,
I'm also 6'-1", long in torso, but found the Zenith product very good
for big and tall people. My 601HDS requires 2-1/2" of clearance between
bottom
pan and bum and this gives me 2" of head clearance from the canopy to my
baseball cap.
The extra width of the 601 affords that I can turn my head left without
contacting the bubble.
Sitting straight up rigidly away from the seat back, there is 1" of
clearance from cap to bubble.
Obviously, the way you trim your bubble has a little to do with head
clearance, but Zenith
products are all very accomodating, especially the 701s and 801s. I've
shorter legs, 32 pant length
but the pedal distance is well suited to my stature. Can't speak to the
others on this point.
I don't think the 601XL would be a great deal different if not even more
accomodating.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS scratch builder at www.macsmachine.com
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Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:57:06 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>but what is the space from seat to canopy top?
42 inches
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/cabin-xl.html
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi list,
I'm completing the installation of wheel fairings on
a 601HDS and the last trim operations concern clearances between
tires and the fairing openings. Sides are less snug, but what are you
using for clearance between tire diameter and fairing? Bingelis's book
suggests 1/2" or less. I've 3/8" right now, but am spooked by
imagined tire RPMs and wonder if more trimming is in order.
All opinions are much appreciated.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | CH701 Plans builders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
How about a location Dick. IF your close to a builder I'm sure you can
drop by for a visit. In fact I always have a rudder form and scrap alum
at the ready for visitors. No newbie leaves my garage without a part for
a 601.
Mark Townsend
601XL EJ-2.2L
Alma, Ontario
-----Original Message-----
I am new to the list and desire to build a CH701 from scratch. Anyone
else in the same "dream" I can ask questioins about such a task? I am
not a rookie; having built two all wood planes; however metal is new to
me. Thanks for your input of any kind.... Dick Brown
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 Brake pads |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Wayne;
The short answer is yes.
BTW: The Brake lining tool works well also and don't forget to get rivets.
Mike
WAYNE BEATTIE wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: WAYNE BEATTIE <waynebeattie@optonline.net>
>
> Mike,
>
> Is the full part number actually RA66-106 as shown in the A.S.S. catelogue
> after market product line?
>
> Also,
>
> Has anyone used the re-line tool sold in A.S.S.? Does it work well? Is it
> worth the money?
>
> Wayne
> N601WB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Fothergill" <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 Brake pads
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill
> <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
> >
> > Hi;
> > The brake pads are a standard type that can be obtained from Aircraft
> Spruce P/N
> > RA-106 or you can order them from Matco.
> > Mike
> > UHS Spinners
> >
> > Richard McLachlan wrote:
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan"
> <richard@rodsley.net>
> > >
> > > We have a CH601HDS that was the first one built in the UK. We need a new
> set
> > > of brake pads for it. As we did not build it ourselves, we do not have
> any
> > > of the original plans or documentation. I know the wheels come from came
> > > from Matco but I have no other information.
> > >
> > > Can anybody help with a part number so we can obtain some new ones?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Richard McLachlan
> > >
> > > CH601/R22
> > >
> > > landing site details at www.rodsley.net
> > >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prospect and Engine ? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Greg Ferris" <ferret@wmtel.net>
I bought a Rotax 912UL with 200 hours on it along with the prop for $6500.
I believe a new 912UL engine runs roughly $1000 more than it did then.
There are guys out there that are selling their 912UL to replace with the
912ULS for the additional 20hp. For my 601HD, the 912UL is more than
adequate. I believe you'll end-up burning around 1 gallon/hour to go 5~6mph
faster with the S. Climb rate is already 1200fpm.
I have been amazed with how fuel efficient the 912 is. It makes trips just
plain affordable.
As a side note, I chickened-out on building a plane and bought a Cessna 150
several years ago. After 4 insane annuals, I sold it and bought the 601
kit. After I quit questioning my sanity for trading an airplane for a pile
of sheet metal, building was enjoyable. Flying is awesome though. I
couldn't be happier with the end result; the 601 is an order of magnitude
more fun to fly, comparable speed with just over half the fuel burn, much
better visibility, and much better short field & high density altitude
performance.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Sherburn" <dsherburn@charter.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Prospect and Engine ?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Sherburn" <dsherburn@charter.net>
>
> Hi,
> I just joined the list and the EAA. I'm an instrument rated private
> pilot, but haven't flown in 9 years. I got out of the sport as the cost
> of ownership got too expensive.
>
> I've started to research the Homebuilt industry and am fairly excited
> by what I see, especially within the Zenith offering. I would love the
> prospect of building and being able to design the panel and interior of
> my airplane. Being able to do my own maintenance would be a big
> plus, as I love doing those things.
>
> The only thing I'm worried about, is the cost of recommended engines.
> The information kit I received from Zenith had pricing info. on the Rotax
> 912 motor. I think it was almost $15,000 with accesories, motor, etc.
> Is this the norm? Are there any lower cost alternatives? I don't want
anything
> unreliable, but if I total the kit price and motor are close to the
$30,000
> figure, I may have to consider an old C150.
>
> Great list....thanks in advance for the information and opinions!
>
> Dan Sherburn
> Spring Lake, MI
>
>
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