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1. 05:32 AM - Re: Upholstery recommendations likes and dislikes (Thomas F Marson)
2. 05:33 AM - Re: Upholstery recommendations likes and dislikes (Bryan Martin)
3. 05:38 AM - Re: First Flight 601XL (Thomas F Marson)
4. 08:33 AM - Re: 601XL Builders (Dave Kubassek)
5. 10:17 AM - problems (Leo J. Corbalis)
6. 11:17 AM - Strato - EMS - E2... (Bima, Martin)
7. 11:44 AM - N601RT Seat Information (royt.or@netzero.com)
8. 11:44 AM - CH601 or CH701? (Jeff Page)
9. 12:42 PM - Re: ZAC Lycoming engine mount / magneto (caspainhower@aep.com)
10. 01:17 PM - Re: N601RT Seat Information (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
11. 02:05 PM - Re: Upholstery recommendations likes and dislikes (Frank Jones)
12. 09:19 PM - Engines... (Jarek M. Walter)
13. 10:45 PM - Re: ZAC Lycoming engine mount / magneto (Jeff Paden)
14. 10:47 PM - CH-640 builders (Jeff Paden)
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| Subject: | Re: Upholstery recommendations likes and dislikes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
Use Corfoam (Like Oregon Aero for crash safety ultimately but for most
comfort. A well designed cushion like this actually makes you flight less
painless as it your bottom is conformed to by the seat rather than the other
way around. You actually fly better as one with the plane rather than
sitting separate from it on a soft giving mass as standard upholstry will
feel. Personally I like any non slippery material. Never liked Leather,
plastic or anything of that Ilk.
The Oregon Aero catalog will tell you why NASA, Airforce and almost 100
percent of Professional Aerobatic pilots wouldn't fly without it.
I started using it 3 years ago and would not be without it. It is the foam
not the the cover that does it.
Tom Marson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Upholstery recommendations likes and dislikes
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
>
> I am at the point where I'm ready to start the design of the interior. My
> father in law, a very talented professional upholsterer, has graciously
> agreed to take on the job. He has taken several measurements, pictures,
and
> made a number of cardboard templates.
>
> So now the question comes up: What do you guys recommend?
>
> I've read postings about velour, leather, marine vinyl and standard
> material. I've heard you guys talk about this padding vs. that padding.
> this carpet vs. that one; and on and on and on. But usually these
> conversations simply discuss the issue in terms of adherence to FAA
> regulations.
>
> And yet, no one ever seems to pony up, and give their honest assessment of
> what's good, what's bad; what they like, and what they dislike. So I
would
> appreciate it if you could give any input.
> What would you like in your interior?
> What features would you like to see, and what would you avoid?
> What about materials? Why would you select one over the other? Why would
> you avoid one over the other?
> And can ANYONE decifer the FARs into something that approximates English
as
> they pertain to toxicity, smoke production, and flame retardance?
>
> I would especially appreciate hearing from the older guys whose planes are
> already in the air, so we can all learn from your experience.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bill Howerton N714BH
> 601XL - Corvair
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Upholstery recommendations likes and dislikes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 1/29/04 1:37 AM, Bill Howerton at Bill@Howerton.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
>
> I am at the point where I'm ready to start the design of the interior. My
> father in law, a very talented professional upholsterer, has graciously
> agreed to take on the job. He has taken several measurements, pictures, and
> made a number of cardboard templates.
>
> So now the question comes up: What do you guys recommend?
>
> I've read postings about velour, leather, marine vinyl and standard
> material. I've heard you guys talk about this padding vs. that padding.
> this carpet vs. that one; and on and on and on. But usually these
> conversations simply discuss the issue in terms of adherence to FAA
> regulations.
>
> Bill Howerton N714BH
> 601XL - Corvair
>
I bought some sound insulation material from J. C. Whitney. The stuff is
designed for use under carpeting in autos and is supposed to be fire
retardant. It is composed of a half inch layer of shredded cloth glued to a
sheet of aluminum foil. I lined the entire cockpit area with this stuff
including the back of the firewall and the top skin ahead of the canopy. It
should quite the cabin and make it easier to heat for winter flying. I
haven't done anything to the baggage area yet but I will probably line it
with this stuff also.
My dad had some heavy black vinyl material that I used on the cabin floor. I
tested it and it seems to be fire resistant and doesn't give off any noxious
fumes when held in a flame and allowed to char.
I bought a leather hide from an E-bay auction and have lined the cockpit
interior with this. I have enough left to do the baggage area if I decide
to. I decided on leather because it is naturally flame retardant and is
fairly easy to work with. I do have some polyethylene foam in my cockpit and
this foam is flammable but doesn't give off toxic fumes when it burns and it
will be covered with the leather for protection.
I would not use leather on my seats though. I don't think leather seats are
very comfortable. Vinyl is just as bad and doesn't wear as well. I would
recommend cloth seats. An automotive seat fabric should work, I believe they
are required to be flame retardant also. Even most furniture upholstery
materials are supposed to be flame retardant I believe. I bought a set of
sheepskin seat covers off E-bay which I plan to use on my seats.
If you are worried about flammability just take a sample of the material and
test it. It shouldn't support combustion and shouldn't give off toxic fumes.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
Airframe construction complete.
Panel and engine installed.
Nearly done.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
This bungee idea is not a new one but is a very good solution to cancel the
need to hold left or right stick for a slightly heavy wing. It is simple
light weight and minimal cost. Using the Mac servo for this purpose works
well but is overkill for what is needed.
I do not feel that way about elevator trim however. If elevator connections
should fail the bungee on the elevator mechanism will not prevent "buying
the farm". In this case the only thing that will give you a chance to save
your life it the ability to control the elevator itself by other means, ie:
a moveable trim tab on the elevator. Tom Marson
----- Original Message -----
From: "barry mayne" <bazmay@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight 601XL
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Builders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
Mark
pardon my ageing memory but i believe i fished mine up and tucked them under
the top longeron LHS and on to panel and starter.
dave kubassek. C-FDSF XL - 25 hrs and waiting for spring
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Builders
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
> XL Builders, how did you run all of your wires from the battery/elevator
> trim/rudder light up to the control panel? I didn't want to run the
> wires along the side of the fuselage by the passenger seat and I don't
> dare cut a hole in the center section of the spar.
>
> Mark Townsend
> 601XL EA-82MPFI Turbo
> Alma, Ontario
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I have a Zodiac 601HDS, 400 hrs, ROTAX 912 UL
I just finished finding a very sneaky intermittent ignition failure problem.
I think we could really help each other by giving a detailed account of the
trouble and solution.
My problem was an intermittent roughnes and later a really bad "mag"
check on 2 differient flights that I could not find when trouble shooting
later. Eventually I got to a condition where one ignition system was dead.
The culprit was a break in the red stranded wire from the alternator to the
module. I had exchanged these leads and the trouble went away for a while
and I tried module swaps and pickup swaps hunting for the problem. Finally I
was doing an ohmmeter check on everything and got erratic readings on one of
the red wires. I recalled an A&P's remark that when he worked on Rotaxes,
most of the trouble was with the stranded wiring. I found that pushing the
wire into the connector, the ohmmeter reading settled down, pulling gently
brought back the erratic readings. I pulled harder and felt the last strand
break, verified by the ohmmeter. As the wire strands broke the current to
the ignition module dropped causing intermittent erratic operation of the
sparkplugs.
The cure: I cut off the connector and replaced it with a similar female auto
connector.(prying the tabs on the old connector caused one tab to break off,
(recycling the old connector is a BAD idea. Soldering is not a option
because of the short space and high vibration) I needed a short piece of
high quality stranded wire so I bought the cheapest POMONA (manufacturer of
high grade test leads) test wire and cut out the wire I needed to put on the
crimped connector and a crimped splice plus a small loop for strain relief.
2 tiewraps hold everything together and minimize vibration. The choice of hi
grade test lead gave me a very multistranded wire with tough insulation.
Cheap test leads need no apply! also 18 gage Tefzel wire from Aircraft
Spruce doesn't have enough strands for me. I also added clips to the cut
ends and have 2 more test leads.
Leo J. Corbalis
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| Subject: | Strato - EMS - E2... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
For those of you who run the Stratomaster EMS...
Is the panel easily disconnected and removed? What kind of connections are
there from the panel to the computer?
It was -40 this morning and if I bought one of these handy-dandy's, I would
like to keep it warm and safe on days like these.
Thanks,
Martin Bima
STOL-Vair
Winnipeg, Canada
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Strato - EMS - E2...
For those of you who run the Stratomaster EMS...
Is the panel easily disconnected and removed? What kind of connections are there
from the panel to the computer?
It was -40 this morning and if I bought one of these handy-dandy's, I would like
to keep it warm and safe on days like these.
Thanks,
Martin Bima
STOL-Vair
Winnipeg, Canada
15% complete
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| Subject: | N601RT Seat Information |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: royt.or@netzero.com
I have Oregon Aero seats in N601RT. These are covered with the same leather covering
Jerry VanGrunsvens RV-8 Oregon Aero seats. (I bought the leather from Jerrys
wife.) The leather is light gray and I have not found it to be excessively
hot, I do believe black or other dark colored leather would be hotter.
My primary reason to get the Oregon Aero seats is safety. I believe the Oregon Aero seats will provide significant protection in the event of a crash. The Oregon Aero web site addresses this. See http://www.oregonaero.com/p101112_2001.html
Note: The RV-10 will be sold ONLY with the Oregon Aero seats for the front because
in the RV-10 front seats are directly over the spar and there is other structure
to absorb impacts as in the other RV's. Richard "Van" VanGrunsven is adamant
about using the Oregon Aero seats which were engineer for the RV-10 in the
plane. ("Van" is very active in my local EAA chapter.)
I don't think my seats were specifically engineered to protect against xxG's, but
I do believe they will offer more protection than anything else I would have
done.
I'm VERY HAPPY with my Oregon Aero seats. The seats are very comfortable. I flew
to OSH this year (from HIO, outside of Portland, Or.) and flew 20 hours in two
days on my return. One leg was almost 5 hours. I was never uncomfortable in
the plane. They are a great company to work with.
The seats are not cheap. They are not light either, but I don't know the specific
weight of mine. My seats are leather covered and I think I have ~$1500 in the
seats. Every time my wife flies with me she comments that she is glad I spent
the extra $'s on the Oregon Aero seats. I've flown in two other Zodiac's and
would not want to fly much more than an hour in either of them. They both had
"minimum expense" seats.
Oregon Aero was concerned about the narrow hip angle in the CH601, so they raised
the seat bottom as high as practical (limited by headroom with headset). My
passenger seat has an additional ~1.5inch thick cushion for my wife and other
shorter passengers. For tall passengers, I use the "booster cushion" remove the
standard seat back and use a small lumbar support. Oregon Aero made the lumbar
support and booster cushion for no extra charge, they also made my stick boot
(a couple of times) for no extra charge.
Regards, Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 160hrs.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeff Page <orrem31@yahoo.com>
Hello fellow Zenith fans,
Ive been lurking on this list for a few weeks while
doing a bunch of research on which plane to select for
my first homebuilt project.
I have two missions:
1) Saturday morning solo flying around home base
(KVSF).
2) Monthly ~100 nm two passenger cross county trips.
I would like to plans build in aluminum utilizing
pulled rivets. I will be doing most of my building in
the evening in my basement workshop where noisy
riveting, welding smoke, or noxious epoxy fumes are
sure to elicit complaints from my wife and put a halt
to my building.
As I see it there are two current Zenith designs that
could fit my needs; Zodiac XL and CH 701.
I really like the Zodiac XL, but am concerned that
looking down at the wing on my Saturday morning solo
flights will get old.
The CH 701 with the new bubble doors would be perfect
for my Saturday mornings, but the slow cruise speed
would be inconvenient for my cross country trips.
Im planning to go to Sun N Fun and check out the
Zenith models their, but April feels a long way off
and I would sure like to buy a set of plans to keep me
busy through some of these long dark Vermont winter
nights.
So, after that long winded diatribe, my real question
is this; does anyone have a flying (or close to
flying) CH 701 or CH 601 within a 200 miles or so of
Windsor, VT that they would be willing to let me see
and sit in?
Thanks much,
-Jeff Page
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: ZAC Lycoming engine mount / magneto |
01/29/2004 03:38:58 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
Ed,
I will be receiving my 0-235 soon and am interested in installing CDI
in place of at least one magneto. I was wondering if you could send me
pictures of your "lightspeed" ignition installation. The weight savings is
a bonus as I have read a lot of good things about the performance increases
with electronic ignition. Any suggestions or tips are always appreciated.
Thanks!
Craig S.
601XL, N601XS
"Ed" <orion@silcom.com>
Sent by: To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
owner-zenith-list-server@ma cc:
tronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List:
ZAC Lycoming engine mount / magneto
04/06/2003 01:22 PM
Please respond to
zenith-list
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed" <orion@silcom.com>
Hi Jim.
I went with CDI ignition on my Lycoming 0-235, partly for weight but mainly
as the mags that came with it were not good (no core value either) I
bought
the "lightspeed" system from Klaus at Santa Paula Airport and used the
crank
sensor which just blanks off the mag mounting altogether. Actually ended
up
with a dual system and have been very impressed with it's performance.
(Plugs are cheaper too).
He has a website which is worth reading through, many advantages with the
system, not least of which is starting with two sparks as opposed to mags
with just one. I have pics of the installation if you are interested,
contact me off list.
Ed 601hds
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| Subject: | N601RT Seat Information |
So you didn't like my cheapo seats Roy?....I'm hurt....:)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I must say I agree with you, the cheepo seats (and remember I went to quite
a bit of expense buying wheelchair "memory foam" having been told this was
the best) didn't turn out great.
I limit my flying to about 2 to 2.5 hours and get out of the plane somewhat
stiff.
My Wife too complains that there is no way we're taking long cross country
trips in this thing!
As for me I would rather invest the money in the RV 7 project she has
promissed to let me start next year. But if that turns out to be a pipe
dream I will almost certainly turn to Oregon Aero seats.
Thanks for the update, I was amazed you went all the way to OSH in one of
these!
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
royt.or@netzero.com
Subject: Zenith-List: N601RT Seat Information
--> Zenith-List message posted by: royt.or@netzero.com
I have Oregon Aero seats in N601RT. These are covered with the same leather
covering Jerry VanGrunsvens RV-8 Oregon Aero seats. (I bought the leather
from Jerrys wife.) The leather is light gray and I have not found it to be
excessively hot, I do believe black or other dark colored leather would be
hotter.
My primary reason to get the Oregon Aero seats is safety. I believe the
Oregon Aero seats will provide significant protection in the event of a
crash. The Oregon Aero web site addresses this. See
http://www.oregonaero.com/p101112_2001.html
Note: The RV-10 will be sold ONLY with the Oregon Aero seats for the front
because in the RV-10 front seats are directly over the spar and there is
other structure to absorb impacts as in the other RV's. Richard "Van"
VanGrunsven is adamant about using the Oregon Aero seats which were engineer
for the RV-10 in the plane. ("Van" is very active in my local EAA chapter.)
I don't think my seats were specifically engineered to protect against
xxG's, but I do believe they will offer more protection than anything else I
would have done.
I'm VERY HAPPY with my Oregon Aero seats. The seats are very comfortable. I
flew to OSH this year (from HIO, outside of Portland, Or.) and flew 20 hours
in two days on my return. One leg was almost 5 hours. I was never
uncomfortable in the plane. They are a great company to work with.
The seats are not cheap. They are not light either, but I don't know the
specific weight of mine. My seats are leather covered and I think I have
~$1500 in the seats. Every time my wife flies with me she comments that she
is glad I spent the extra $'s on the Oregon Aero seats. I've flown in two
other Zodiac's and would not want to fly much more than an hour in either of
them. They both had "minimum expense" seats.
Oregon Aero was concerned about the narrow hip angle in the CH601, so they
raised the seat bottom as high as practical (limited by headroom with
headset). My passenger seat has an additional ~1.5inch thick cushion for my
wife and other shorter passengers. For tall passengers, I use the "booster
cushion" remove the standard seat back and use a small lumbar support.
Oregon Aero made the lumbar support and booster cushion for no extra charge,
they also made my stick boot (a couple of times) for no extra charge.
Regards, Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped,
160hrs.
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| Subject: | Upholstery recommendations likes and dislikes |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
Bill,
For what it's worth I really like my Temperfoam seats. Made with 3
different densities. They are quite comfortable once they warm up but
pretty damn solid at -20C. I'd like to believe they absorb a lot of
energy on hard landings too as they purport. A design can be found at
www.seatfoam.com. I found Wicks to be the cheapest source though.
Frank
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
Today I went into circle..It started when I read that BMW engines are
good choices for homebuilt. Soon I cooled down.They are good, but cost a
lot. Again, back to Rotax 912. Talk to friend complaining about the
cost.He said that he can get me a Rotax from snowmobile..He said it's
basically the same engine at fraction of price.I don't believe
him.Started to research a Bombardier site.
Soon I discover that they are offering the marvelous 4-TEC V-1000 on
snowmobiles. I learned that it's top of the art engine, developed quite
recently. More research.Google.One of the Russian web sites mentioned
that Bombardier supplies the same engine to BMW for the new line of
Aprilia motorcycles sold in Europe. Haven't heard of Aprilia.So Google
for "BMW Aprila"..Bingo!!! More that 100HP. So Guys, what's your opinion
on this? Can anyone provide more information on Rotax 4-TEC V-1000 for
aviation use?
Jarek M. Walter
CH 701
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| Subject: | Re: ZAC Lycoming engine mount / magneto |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
My I suggest that you take a look at the Electroair system by Jeff Rose at:
http://www.fly-gbi.com/EIS.htm
I looked at may different electronic ignitions and found that this system is
MUCH easier to install, cheaper, and you can use aircraft plugs instead of
auto plugs. Just my opinion, but it seems like a all around better system.
His web page is not pretty, but if you give him a call I think you will
agree that he really knows what he is doing.
Jeff Paden
>> I will be receiving my 0-235 soon and am interested in installing
CDI
>> in place of at least one magneto. I was wondering if you could send me
>> pictures of your "lightspeed" ignition installation.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
I just wanted to let you all know that my CH-640 project is finally looking
like an aircraft!
If there are other CH-640 builders out there I'd really like to hear from
you. At this time I only know of
three other CH-640 builders but I am sure there are more of you out there
Jeff Paden
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