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1. 03:33 AM - Re: Engines... (Lowell Metz)
2. 06:14 AM - Re: Engines... (Jarek M. Walter)
3. 06:18 AM - Re: CH601 or CH701? (Gig)
4. 06:56 AM - Re: ZAC Lycoming engine mount / magneto (Bill Cardell)
5. 08:54 AM - Re: ZAC Lycoming engine mount / magneto (Jim Frisby)
6. 10:23 PM - Re: Engines... (Brett Ray)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
Jarek,
It is very hard to comment on an engine without looking at the specs
and a drawing. Torque/ HP curves, weight, etc. I went to the sites you
listed and didn't find any technical stuff. Well worth looking into further
though. While in Italy and France last summer I saw the Mercedes Smart car
and have since learned that its engine is starting to become a popular
conversion in Europe. The sky is the limit but sometimes initial costs plus
development costs on experimenting end up being more than the costs of a
known aviation powerplant. Companies have the technical and financial
resources to do a lot of developing that most of us lack.
On the other hand great innovations come from some of the most unusual
of places from the most common of people. ( Not calling you common in any
derogatory sense ).
You may be onto something here as there are a lot of aviators that
want a good 4 stroke turning that fan.
Lowell Metz
701 in FL.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: Engines...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter"
<jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
>
> Today I went into circle..It started when I read that BMW engines are
> good choices for homebuilt. Soon I cooled down.They are good, but cost a
> lot. Again, back to Rotax 912. Talk to friend complaining about the
> cost.He said that he can get me a Rotax from snowmobile..He said it's
> basically the same engine at fraction of price.I don't believe
> him.Started to research a Bombardier site.
>
> Soon I discover that they are offering the marvelous 4-TEC V-1000 on
> snowmobiles. I learned that it's top of the art engine, developed quite
> recently. More research.Google.One of the Russian web sites mentioned
> that Bombardier supplies the same engine to BMW for the new line of
> Aprilia motorcycles sold in Europe. Haven't heard of Aprilia.So Google
> for "BMW Aprila"..Bingo!!! More that 100HP. So Guys, what's your opinion
> on this? Can anyone provide more information on Rotax 4-TEC V-1000 for
> aviation use?
>
> Jarek M. Walter
>
> CH 701
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
A lot of people fly with Rotax 582 in spite of fact that it was used on
snowmobiles first. For 2003 Bombardier replaced 582 with the new 2-TEC
SDI. In the 800 2-TEC SDI, a CPU monitors the ambient temperature,
altitude, engine temperature, throttle position and RMP. It
automatically adjust to offer the best performance and efficiency
possible. A knock sensor works with the computerized system to retatr
the engine timing or enrich the fuel mixture, if detonation is detected.
The entire system works without a chocke for easy starting in all
temperatures and weather conditions. Since 582 was (and still is)
popular choice, does this mean that new 2-TEC SDI is a modern equivalent
of 582 to use in EA? Bombardier is in a process of certification of new
aircraft engines - V220 and V300T. They use auto gas. It looks to me,
that soon we will be able to catch up with modern engine development in
our light aviation field and say good-bye to 30-years old certified
engine technology.
Jarek M. Walter
CH-701
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Metz
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engines...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz"
<lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
Jarek,
It is very hard to comment on an engine without looking at the
specs
and a drawing. Torque/ HP curves, weight, etc. I went to the sites you
listed and didn't find any technical stuff. Well worth looking into
further
though. While in Italy and France last summer I saw the Mercedes Smart
car
and have since learned that its engine is starting to become a popular
conversion in Europe. The sky is the limit but sometimes initial costs
plus
development costs on experimenting end up being more than the costs of a
known aviation powerplant. Companies have the technical and financial
resources to do a lot of developing that most of us lack.
On the other hand great innovations come from some of the most
unusual
of places from the most common of people. ( Not calling you common in
any
derogatory sense ).
You may be onto something here as there are a lot of aviators that
want a good 4 stroke turning that fan.
Lowell Metz
701 in FL.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: Engines...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter"
<jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
>
> Today I went into circle..It started when I read that BMW engines are
> good choices for homebuilt. Soon I cooled down.They are good, but cost
a
> lot. Again, back to Rotax 912. Talk to friend complaining about the
> cost.He said that he can get me a Rotax from snowmobile..He said it's
> basically the same engine at fraction of price.I don't believe
> him.Started to research a Bombardier site.
>
> Soon I discover that they are offering the marvelous 4-TEC V-1000 on
> snowmobiles. I learned that it's top of the art engine, developed
quite
> recently. More research.Google.One of the Russian web sites mentioned
> that Bombardier supplies the same engine to BMW for the new line of
> Aprilia motorcycles sold in Europe. Haven't heard of Aprilia.So Google
> for "BMW Aprila"..Bingo!!! More that 100HP. So Guys, what's your
opinion
> on this? Can anyone provide more information on Rotax 4-TEC V-1000 for
> aviation use?
>
> Jarek M. Walter
>
> CH 701
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: CH601 or CH701? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
Welcome to the list. Don't let the visibility issue sway you from the
601XL. I was amazed at the view during my demo flight. That big canopy
will give you plenty to look at and a low wing is really better in the
pattern.
The 601XL is certainly better for the x-country.
Gig Giacona
www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
> Hello fellow Zenith fans,
>
> Ive been lurking on this list for a few weeks while
> doing a bunch of research on which plane to select for
> my first homebuilt project.
>
> I have two missions:
>
> 1) Saturday morning solo flying around home base
> (KVSF).
>
> 2) Monthly ~100 nm two passenger cross county trips.
>
> I would like to plans build in aluminum utilizing
> pulled rivets. I will be doing most of my building in
> the evening in my basement workshop where noisy
> riveting, welding smoke, or noxious epoxy fumes are
> sure to elicit complaints from my wife and put a halt
> to my building.
>
> As I see it there are two current Zenith designs that
> could fit my needs; Zodiac XL and CH 701.
>
> I really like the Zodiac XL, but am concerned that
> looking down at the wing on my Saturday morning solo
> flights will get old.
>
> The CH 701 with the new bubble doors would be perfect
> for my Saturday mornings, but the slow cruise speed
> would be inconvenient for my cross country trips.
>
> Im planning to go to Sun N Fun and check out the
> Zenith models their, but April feels a long way off
> and I would sure like to buy a set of plans to keep me
> busy through some of these long dark Vermont winter
> nights.
>
> So, after that long winded diatribe, my real question
> is this; does anyone have a flying (or close to
> flying) CH 701 or CH 601 within a 200 miles or so of
> Windsor, VT that they would be willing to let me see
> and sit in?
>
> Thanks much,
> -Jeff Page
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| Subject: | ZAC Lycoming engine mount / magneto |
That's an off the shelf Electromotive system that it looks like Jeff has
made a custom pickup to fit the lycoming/continental. Good stuff.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
Flyin' Miata
www.flyinmiata.com
www.fmprotege.com
970-242-3800
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Paden [mailto:jeffpaden@madbbs.com]
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ZAC Lycoming engine mount / magneto
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
My I suggest that you take a look at the Electroair system by Jeff Rose at:
http://www.fly-gbi.com/EIS.htm I looked at may different electronic
ignitions and found that this system is MUCH easier to install, cheaper, and
you can use aircraft plugs instead of auto plugs. Just my opinion, but it
seems like a all around better system. His web page is not pretty, but if
you give him a call I think you will agree that he really knows what he is
doing.
Jeff Paden
>> I will be receiving my 0-235 soon and am interested in
>> installing
CDI
>> in place of at least one magneto. I was wondering if you could send
>> me pictures of your "lightspeed" ignition installation.
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| Subject: | Re: ZAC Lycoming engine mount / magneto |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" <marslander@hotmail.com>
I'm building a CH801, with a Lycoming 320 (conical mount). I got the ZAC
mount, and, while well-constructed, and fitting both the firewall and the
engine nicely, it did not accomodate my existing magneto on the left side.
I later found that the mount was designed for engines with slick mags, and
my engine had the larger Bendix-Scintilla mags.
To solve the problem, I moved my impulse Bendix mag over to the right side,
and got an "Electroair" ignition system from Jeff Rose. I have yet to run
the engine, but the Electroair ignition was very easy to install and time,
and it's signal unit fits easily in the left magneto hole.
Jim Frisby
N801ZA
Palmer, AK
>From: caspainhower@aep.com
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ZAC Lycoming engine mount / magneto
>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:38:58 -0500 01/29/2004 03:38:58 PM
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>
>
>Ed,
> I will be receiving my 0-235 soon and am interested in installing
>CDI
>in place of at least one magneto. I was wondering if you could send me
>pictures of your "lightspeed" ignition installation. The weight savings is
>a bonus as I have read a lot of good things about the performance increases
>with electronic ignition. Any suggestions or tips are always appreciated.
>Thanks!
>
>Craig S.
>601XL, N601XS
>
>
> "Ed" <orion@silcom.com>
> Sent by: To:
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> owner-zenith-list-server@ma cc:
> tronics.com Subject: Re:
>Zenith-List: ZAC Lycoming engine mount / magneto
>
>
> 04/06/2003 01:22 PM
> Please respond to
> zenith-list
>
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed" <orion@silcom.com>
>
>Hi Jim.
>I went with CDI ignition on my Lycoming 0-235, partly for weight but mainly
>as the mags that came with it were not good (no core value either) I
>bought
>the "lightspeed" system from Klaus at Santa Paula Airport and used the
>crank
>sensor which just blanks off the mag mounting altogether. Actually ended
>up
>with a dual system and have been very impressed with it's performance.
>(Plugs are cheaper too).
>He has a website which is worth reading through, many advantages with the
>system, not least of which is starting with two sparks as opposed to mags
>with just one. I have pics of the installation if you are interested,
>contact me off list.
>
>Ed 601hds
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
I say go for it. Part of the fun is experimenting. Of course I used
the Harly motor in mine. And I had alot of people say it won't work or
you can't etc. etc. It flys great by the way. Belive me you can ask as
many people as you want but you won't know for sure untill (YOU) try.
Buy the way we are now getting a big break on the Harley motors we get
so I am passing the savings on. Complete motor ready to fly $7400.
What do you guys think?
Brett
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter"
<jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
>
> Today I went into circle..It started when I read that BMW engines are
> good choices for homebuilt. Soon I cooled down.They are good, but
cost a
> lot. Again, back to Rotax 912. Talk to friend complaining about the
> cost.He said that he can get me a Rotax from snowmobile..He said it's
> basically the same engine at fraction of price.I don't believe
> him.Started to research a Bombardier site.
>
> Soon I discover that they are offering the marvelous 4-TEC V-1000 on
> snowmobiles. I learned that it's top of the art engine, developed
quite
> recently. More research.Google.One of the Russian web sites mentioned
> that Bombardier supplies the same engine to BMW for the new line of
> Aprilia motorcycles sold in Europe. Haven't heard of Aprilia.So
Google
> for "BMW Aprila"..Bingo!!! More that 100HP. So Guys, what's your
opinion
> on this? Can anyone provide more information on Rotax 4-TEC V-1000
for
> aviation use?
>
> Jarek M. Walter
>
> CH 701
>
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