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1. 06:18 PM - Re: Zenitn List: Carbs on 912s Popping Off (Jim Fosse)
2. 06:18 PM - Re: Zenith List Re: 701 80hp or 100hp (Jim Fosse)
3. 06:45 PM - Re: N601RT Seat Information (Brenton Battles)
4. 07:06 PM - Re: Re: Zenith List Re: 701 80hp or 100hp (Chuck Deiterich)
5. 07:14 PM - Re: Carbs Popping off (Jeff Reuschle)
6. 08:17 PM - want to buy (k.jones)
7. 08:24 PM - Re: Carbs Popping off (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
8. 08:27 PM - Re: CH601 or CH701? (Kevin W Bonds)
9. 09:08 PM - Re: heavy left wing - some possible solutions (Kevin W Bonds)
10. 10:06 PM - Re: want to buy (Robert Hillebrand)
11. 10:15 PM - Re: heavy left wing - some possible solutions (Kevin W Bonds)
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| Subject: | Re: Zenitn List: Carbs on 912s Popping Off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net>
I'm a new guy on the block and I don't pretend to be an expert on hardly anything,
especially the Rotax. However, thought I would throw this in for whatever
it's worth. I just returned from Zentith and building my rudder for a 701.
In talking to Roger I mentioned the traffic I had been reading about the carbs.
He indicated he had not heard anything about the problem but suggested that
if a slipper clutch is not part of the 912s assembly, the engine will shake and
shimmy as described in numerous of the messages. I have noted in all the traffic
that there is no mention of the slipper clutch but that's not to say that
they are not installed on the affected engines.
Jim Fosse jfosse1@shawneelink.net Goreville, Illinois
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith List Re: 701 80hp or 100hp |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net>
I'm a long ways from needing an engine for the 701 that I ordered but I'm really
scratching my head trying to sort out what will and what will not work for the
701. While at Zenith this week I asked both Roger and Chris about the Jab
2200 and both said they would not recommend it. The gist of the conversation
was that it could not handle the right prop for the 701's advertised performance.
I was encouraged by Chuck Deiterich's experience with the 2200 and the Prince
P-Tip 64" prop while at the same time wondering whether Leo Corbalis's commentary
was favorable or unfavorable for that set up. I appreciate the expertise
that exists out there on the List and would surely welcome more commentary.
For instance, Jabiru lists the Sensenich W58HJ and the W62HJ for the 2200
on the 701. Will anyone venture a commentary on those match ups? Whatever is
out there will be appreciated.
Jim Fosse jfosse1@shawneelink.net Goreville, Illinois
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| Subject: | N601RT Seat Information |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brenton Battles <brentbattles@charter.net>
FWIW I've been delighted with the seats I made out of two densities of
common foam at a total cost - including fabric - of about $40. I've
had several trip legs of over 4 hours in my 452 total hours and was
ready to fly again after a short pit stop.
For more info and pictures, you can visit my website and go to the
"Construction Process" link:
http://www.flappingpappy.com/zodiac/hangar.html
If you have any trouble finding the section on seating or would like
more info, please contact me off-line.
Regards,
Brent N16BZ 601HD
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith List Re: 701 80hp or 100hp |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Jim,
Here is a note I sent to off-line an inquiry.
ZAC has a three bladed prop on their 701 with a diameter not much more than
the effective diameter of my Prince P-Tip prop(2 blades). If they were
concerned about diameter they would use a longer two bladed prop. As long
as the pitch matches the RPM and the tips stay enough below the speed of
sound, I can't see any difference. I cruise at 2750 RPM and about 75MPH.
My engine is smooth and quiet, has no gear box and no water system to worry
about. I did all of my firewall forward design. I worked with Jabiru after
getting the offsets from ZAC for Jabiru to design and build a mount. I got
a two piece nose bowl from Jabiru and made my own cowl from .016 aluminum.
PIX at http://members.thegateway.net/cfd . Electrical installation was a
piece of cake as was most of the installation after quite a bit of thought.
Chuck D.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Fosse <jfosse1@shawneelink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith List Re: 701 80hp or 100hp
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net>
>
> I'm a long ways from needing an engine for the 701 that I ordered but I'm
really scratching my head trying to sort out what will and what will not
work for the 701. While at Zenith this week I asked both Roger and Chris
about the Jab 2200 and both said they would not recommend it. The gist of
the conversation was that it could not handle the right prop for the 701's
advertised performance. I was encouraged by Chuck Deiterich's experience
with the 2200 and the Prince P-Tip 64" prop while at the same time wondering
whether Leo Corbalis's commentary was favorable or unfavorable for that set
up. I appreciate the expertise that exists out there on the List and would
surely welcome more commentary. For instance, Jabiru lists the Sensenich
W58HJ and the W62HJ for the 2200 on the 701. Will anyone venture a
commentary on those match ups? Whatever is out there will be appreciated.
>
> Jim Fosse jfosse1@shawneelink.net Goreville, Illinois
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Carbs Popping off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Reuschle" <jreuschle@mindspring.com>
Lowell,
When I purchased my 912S for the 701 it was recommended that I get the
slipper clutch because of strong vibrations that have occured with the 701
mount. As was explained to me, they occurred around 4000-4500 rpm. I am just
about to start mine up so I haven't yet experienced the problems you have
had.
Do you know if your engine has the slipper clutch installed? I talked to
Phil Lockwood at Lockwood Aviation and he said other planes had experienced
this vibration also. They didn't mention carbs shaking off. However, I know
that this was a problen with another 701 here inGeorgia that had a 912
engine. Rotax came up with that strong spring loaded keeper that runs to the
carb to prevent this from occurring.
One other thing to check is the preload on the mount bushings. I compressed
mine to the specs but expect to check them again once I have run the engine
some.
Good Flying,
Jeff Reuschle
701/912S
Atlanta, GA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Carbs Popping off
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz"
<lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
>
> List,
> Thanks to Shay King's suggestion I think I have got a fix that will
keep the carbs from leaving their sockets.
> After 4 different methods using ties I found that taking two ties and
crossing them from intake manifold flange to carb flange ( such as it is )
in an X pattern and tightening them they seem to stay put. I did several
start-ups and shut downs , one start up being a rather sharp snap, nothing
moved. By the way, safety wire the top springs that go to the cross over
tube. I lost one and they are just shy of $9.00 plus shipping.
> One more thing I did was to clean the rubber boots well and wiped
some fan belt dressing on the inside . It is not a gooey glue but adds "
grab" to the rubber. It may or may not help but thought I would try it.
> Before I fly I am going to do several more cycles of start-up and
shut down to test things out . I assume I will need both carbs in place for
a successful flight :-)
>
> Lowell Metz
> 701 / 912S
> Venice, FL.
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "k.jones" <kevin-jones@snet.net>
Does anyone have a partly built Zenith kit for sale. I'll take it off your
hands.
Kevin Jones
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| Subject: | Re: Carbs Popping off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/31/04 10:14:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jreuschle@mindspring.com writes:
> Do you know if your engine has the slipper clutch installed? I talked to
> Phil Lockwood at Lockwood Aviation and he said other planes had experienced
> this vibration also.
I was at a flyin today with Phil Lockwood and talked with him about
this becasue of this thread. The clutch is the fix.
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| Subject: | Re: CH601 or CH701? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
Jeff and all else
I just returned from Mexico, MO. . . .WOW! I had so much fun. I built my
rudder and bought my plans (XL). I too struggled with the Question of the
701 vs XL. And I still am not sure which I should have chose. But, I have
the plans for the XL now so here goes! I guess the deciding factor for me
was that William Wynn is building a corvair powered XL and I would like the
option of using the corvair--since it's possible that I may not win the
lottery in the next 4-5 years like I plan.
To you and anyone else "Lurking" on this list do yourself a big favor and
travel to Mexico, MO and attend the workshop!!! Everyone there was so
helpful. We all got free rides in the demo planes. Someone got a free hat
(not mentioning any names. . . Bob). Someone else got a little scrap metal
(me). A couple of the sheetmetal fabricators even took time to talk to us
plansbuilders and allowed a few of us to actually form ribs (special thanks
to those guys). I got the feeling that anything I asked they would have done
for me (I finally stopped asking for extras for fear I was taking advantage
of their kindness and most stuff I didn't even ask for, they offered!). I
mean they really rolled out the red carpet for us--even us poor scratch
builders! Actually they never asked me my method of building and never asked
me to buy anything other than my rudder. . . . . . . (long pause)Hmmm I
wonder. . .(short pause) naw that would have been to much! They let us just
mill around the factory unincumbered to bother any of there gracious
employees we wanted to (hope there insurance agent doesn't read that).
Anyway, these people make awesome planes! It sounds clich but, these guys
really care about there customers. I know we here that all the time but, in
this case it does apply. I really can't get over how nice everyone was. I've
always heard this about ZAC and now I know why. . . its true! Oh yeah, and
did I mention their planes are great too.
And now I know I've made the right choice about what plane to build. I'm
convident ZAC will be there for me over the next 4 or 5 years and beyond.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville Tn
601XL Plansbuilder (ooooo. . .that sounds cool) Rudder complete; 97.3% to
go.
P.S. This was my first post as a genuine builder.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Page" <orrem31@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH601 or CH701?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeff Page <orrem31@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello fellow Zenith fans,
>
> Ive been lurking on this list for a few weeks while
> doing a bunch of research on which plane to select for
> my first homebuilt project.
>
> I have two missions:
>
> 1) Saturday morning solo flying around home base
> (KVSF).
>
> 2) Monthly ~100 nm two passenger cross county trips.
>
> I would like to plans build in aluminum utilizing
> pulled rivets. I will be doing most of my building in
> the evening in my basement workshop where noisy
> riveting, welding smoke, or noxious epoxy fumes are
> sure to elicit complaints from my wife and put a halt
> to my building.
>
> As I see it there are two current Zenith designs that
> could fit my needs; Zodiac XL and CH 701.
>
> I really like the Zodiac XL, but am concerned that
> looking down at the wing on my Saturday morning solo
> flights will get old.
>
> The CH 701 with the new bubble doors would be perfect
> for my Saturday mornings, but the slow cruise speed
> would be inconvenient for my cross country trips.
>
> Im planning to go to Sun N Fun and check out the
> Zenith models their, but April feels a long way off
> and I would sure like to buy a set of plans to keep me
> busy through some of these long dark Vermont winter
> nights.
>
> So, after that long winded diatribe, my real question
> is this; does anyone have a flying (or close to
> flying) CH 701 or CH 601 within a 200 miles or so of
> Windsor, VT that they would be willing to let me see
> and sit in?
>
> Thanks much,
> -Jeff Page
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: heavy left wing - some possible solutions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
Quick Question
I know this depends on build quality but assuming for a moment that all is
perfect (no laughs please), How much of a heavy left wing problem can I
expect to have flying solo taking into account that I and my wife are
lightweight people (I'm about 160#s; she about 135#s)? Im anticipating
putting maybe the battery and other stuff on the leftside to make up for the
25# weight diffrence between us --maybe overshooting a bit anticipating
using some trim when solo and some the other way when she's with me. how
does this sound (ie. a slightly heavy right side when two up)? I'm not there
yet but am thinking about these sort of things (maybe overthinking).
Kevin Bonds
Nashville Tn
601XL plansbuilder; rudder complete;97.3% to go!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Hillebrand <masterbogun@yahoo.com>
how about a 701?
"k.jones" <kevin-jones@snet.net> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "k.jones"
Does anyone have a partly built Zenith kit for sale. I'll take it off your hands.
Kevin Jones
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| Subject: | Re: heavy left wing - some possible solutions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
"Im anticipating
putting maybe the battery and other stuff on the leftside to make up for
the. . ."
Ooops I mean rightside.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: heavy left wing - some possible solutions
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
>
> Quick Question
>
> I know this depends on build quality but assuming for a moment that all is
> perfect (no laughs please), How much of a heavy left wing problem can I
> expect to have flying solo taking into account that I and my wife are
> lightweight people (I'm about 160#s; she about 135#s)? Im anticipating
> putting maybe the battery and other stuff on the leftside to make up for
the
> 25# weight diffrence between us --maybe overshooting a bit anticipating
> using some trim when solo and some the other way when she's with me. how
> does this sound (ie. a slightly heavy right side when two up)? I'm not
there
> yet but am thinking about these sort of things (maybe overthinking).
>
> Kevin Bonds
> Nashville Tn
> 601XL plansbuilder; rudder complete;97.3% to go!
>
>
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