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1. 12:06 AM - Re: carbs popping off (Dabusmith@aol.com)
2. 12:24 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
3. 05:44 AM - Heavy Wing on 601 with single pilot (charles.long@gm.com)
4. 06:22 AM - Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL (caspainhower@aep.com)
5. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL (David Barth)
6. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL (Rick Pitcher)
7. 09:15 AM - Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
8. 10:03 AM - New member with questions (Peter Mather)
9. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
10. 11:03 AM - What are these parts? (Gig)
11. 11:17 AM - Re: What are these parts? (Michel Therrien)
12. 11:18 AM - New member with questions (Joemotis@aol.com)
13. 11:21 AM - Re: What are these parts? (Carlos Sa)
14. 11:37 AM - Re: What are these parts? (Scott Laughlin)
15. 11:40 AM - Re: New member with questions (caspainhower@aep.com)
16. 11:42 AM - Re: What are these parts? ()
17. 12:09 PM - Re: What are these parts? (Bill Cardell)
18. 01:51 PM - Re: What are these parts? (Jack Russell)
19. 03:12 PM - Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL (dsherburn)
20. 03:17 PM - Rotax vs. Rotax... (Bima, Martin)
21. 05:02 PM - Great folder for your ZAC blueprints. (Joemotis@aol.com)
22. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL (Steelframe AUS)
23. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL (Cy Galley)
24. 07:30 PM - Re: Stratus Subaru cooling (The Meiste's)
25. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL (Steelframe AUS)
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| Subject: | Re: carbs popping off |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
> I bet your criss crossed tie wraps would do the same thing. Let us know if
this cures the
problem.
I don't think those brackets would fit under the top cowl anyway. I also
tried reducing the spark plug gap to .022. No help. I didn't understand the bigger
starter theory. My starter works great.
Dave Smith
N701XL
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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| Subject: | Heavy Wing on 601 with single pilot |
9, 2003) at 02/02/2004 08:43:22 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
Seems like this heavy wing issue has been bounced back and forth more
than a few times so here's my two cents. I think there's a fairly elegant
solution out there that won't require modifying anything & I plan to use it
during my first 40 hours of solo flight. Taking a quick look at the plans
and scaling the moment arm for the fuel tank vs the pilot, I get a roughly
6:1 difference. So take a 180 lb pilot and divide by 6 to get the weight
of fuel in the right tank required to offset this weight. It comes out to
30 pounds or about 5 gallons. So If there's about 10 gallons usable in
each leading edge tank, simply fill the left tank 1/2 tank only half full
and you should balance out about right. Fly the right tank for the first
1/2 hour, then the left tank for the 2nd 1/2 hour and finally switch back
to the right tank for landing or any additional flying. This gives you up
to 1 1/2 hours of flying time without any significant imbalance issues. It
does take some fuel management dicipline but might as well get in the habit
during the first 40 hours before you start taking passengers for long cross
country flights.
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N601LE, 90% complete
Hanging a Jab3300 this weekend!
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL |
02/02/2004 09:21:47 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>I truely see 4 gph with mine. With my Cessna 150, I usually planned for
6.5 gph.
>For round numbers, fly 1000 hours burning 2.5 gph more at $2.50/gal and
you just
>spent $6,250 more in fuel. You won't gain much (if any) speed because the
>Cont and Lyc weigh so much more. There is much discussion about the cost
of
>the Rotax, but I don't see a certified engine being a cost savings.
I chose the XL because I wanted to use the 0-235. Based on my experience
in a 152 and feedback from XL pilots flying behind one, 5 - 5.5 gph is a
realistic rate for cruising at 75% power. Factor in that you can burn
autogas and the fuel cost is not an issue. As far as the extra weight,
that will affect climb performance some, but not cruise speed. If you want
a new engine, the certified engine will definitely cost more. However,
used 0-235's are plentiful and a midtime engine sells for ~$6,000. The
decision about what engine to use is still more one of personal preference,
a certified engine was mine, for x-country flying.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Dan. You might want to take a look at the main
landing gear as well. I myself have never put
together the main gear from one of the older models of
601 but when I was shopping my choice of models, this
was one of the main gripes of HD/HDS builders - the
complexity of construction/assembly of the main gear.
The spring leaf on the XL is simplicity itself. You
might want to get some input from HD/HDS builders on
the main gear before making your final decision. It
helped on my decision making process.
FWIW
David
--- Dan Sherburn <dsherburn@charter.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Sherburn"
> <dsherburn@charter.net>
>
> Bob,
> Thanks a ton....I think your observations about all
> the XL parts around
> the shop tell me what I kinda suspected. It's really
> the way tey're leaning,
> which is OK, I liked the simpler wing, higher useful
> load, and lower kit
> price of the HD.
>
> Thanks again....and I'll get to Mexico this summer!
>
> Dan
>
>
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601 XL Plansbuilder
Making Spars. Wing ribs all done. Scratchin Head on the fuel tanks.
Elevator waiting for skins. Stab,Flaps,Ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
David Barth wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Dan. You might want to take a look at the main
> landing gear as well. I myself have never put
> together the main gear from one of the older models of
> 601 but when I was shopping my choice of models, this
> was one of the main gripes of HD/HDS builders - the
> complexity of construction/assembly of the main gear.
> The spring leaf on the XL is simplicity itself. You
> might want to get some input from HD/HDS builders on
> the main gear before making your final decision. It
> helped on my decision making process.
> FWIW
> David
The installation of the HD's main gear isn't that difficult, it's just a
tight fit for wrenches and fingers. Not unusual in any aircraft.
I found the forward flipping canopy to be the most challenging part of
the whole airplane to fabricate and assemble, FAR more difficult than
the landing gear.
Rick P.
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Like everything it depends on what you want.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Here is my list of "advantages"
HDS...Wings LOOK MUCH better, top speed MAYBE increased but I'm really not
so sure in the real world..stall speed increased.
XL...Definatly faster but nowhere near ZACs claims (from what I've
read)...and I'm sure you lose baggage space.
My Wife and I go camping in our HDS and we can cram a whole lot of gear in
those wing lockers...One of my mods will be to add another baggage locker in
the wing joint sections by making a hingable cover for the joint and a
fiberglass seal for the bottom. There is quite a lot of space in there.
Frank
HDS stratus, Ram heads, 310 hours
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey
Davidson
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Davidson"
--> <jeffrey.davidson@earthlink.net>
> In looking at the 601 info......... My question is,
> is the XL the only way to go
Dan,
I'll see if I can offer a little help here. Of the 4 models of the
601, here are the differences as I see them: The UL version is not usually
seen in the US. As I remember, it qualifies as an "Ultralight" outside of
the US. I can't remember anyone building one on the list in quite a while.
The HD is the same airplane, but with some parts beefed up. It has the
constant cord (hershey bar) wings. They are pretty thick and give a little
lower stall speed. The HDS has the "speed" wings. These are tapered like a
later model Piper Warrior. Speeds (top and
bottom) are increased with the HDS wings. Both the HD and the HDS share the
same 3 part wing design. The center section is the same on both. Current
thinking is that the HDS will probably not meet LSA criteria while the HD
might. The XL is marketed as having an easier to build wing and should meet
LSA criteria when final. For myself, if starting over now, I'd go with the
XL. I suspect others will jump in with additional comments.
Jeff Davidson
CH 601 HD
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| Subject: | New member with questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
Hi there everyone
I'm UK based and I've been lurking now for a couple of
weeks and really enjoying the expertise displayed in
the questions and answers on the list. I've read into
the archive a bit and the Zenith web site in detail but
as always there are more questions than answers.
I'm IFR rated and about five years from retirement so
looking to build an aircraft that will be cheaper to
operate on reduced income than my current registered
steed which is a TR182 ( Turbo retractable Cessna 182 -
the best single engine light aircraft every made :-) ).
I've pretty much decided that a 601XL is the best
combination from the perspective of build difficulty
and operating cost for my mission profile as compared
to, for example, the Vans range. I'm not too sensitive
to build cost but want to keep the operating costs at a
sensible level.
The questions I would like help with are as follows:
Has anyone used a rotax 914? I would really like the
extra hot and high capability as I travel to France
quite often.
Has anyone installed the additional wing tanks to get
48 gallons usable - any issues?
What useful load are you getting? please can you let me
know your actual empty weight and what options/avionics
you have installed. I'm looking at something close to a
full IFR fit.
How many of you are actually flying rather than
building? Other than the single occupant heavy wing
issue are there any things you don't like?
Any other gotchas I should be aware of?
Many thanks
Peter
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Interesting,
Having built and flown a 601 from a kit I was wondering throughout the
process if I were to do it again what would I do different, i.e should I
build from scratch and what parts should I buy to offset the time...The old
time vs. cost equation.
The real time sinks seem to be the built up spar of the main wings, the ribs
and landing gear. I wonder what it would cost to buy just these parts plus
sheet metal? I mean the ribs don't take much labor...the work is in making
the forms, once they are made the ribs should be pretty quick and therefor
cheap!
Definatly the FWF kit looks like a WHOLE LOT of money for what you
get....Especially as the cowl just does plain not fit for the Stratus. Of
course you need something but I think its going to be a lot of hacking and
gluing.
If I were to do it again I might just order the engine mount and make a
cowling...The rest of the stuff is just auto store stuff.
Just some ramblings from one whos been there.
Frank
HDS Stratus, ram heads 310 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Traveling Man
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Traveling Man"
--> <travliman58@hotmail.com>
Dan,
I just decided to build an HD model, presuming its figures fall within the
final LSA/SP parameters, and I just returned from the January builder
workshop with my rudder.
I also wanted an all metal aircraft, my decision to go with the HD model is
based on two factors:
1. I am a heavy guy by myself, add the wife and it starts to get close to
the XL models useful load before I get fuel on board. Due to the high lift
slab wing the HD has the highest useful load of all the 601's. Since I am
diabetic and asthmatic the FAA doesn't want me going faster than whatever
the top speed for Sport Pilot winds up being.
2. Due to shallow pockets I am going to have to build from plans (and a few
bits from Zenith). Since the HD has the slab wing I only have to build two
sets of rib forms for the wings (one left, one right), as opposed to having
to build a rib form for every single rib, as on the XL.
My recommendations, for whatever they may be worth to you -
I would go with the XL if the higher load limit wasn't a factor and I could
afford the kit, Zenith is ramping up production to support the XL and while
I was there I noticed that XL parts were all they were building for the 601
family. They do still support the others, but parts are not as available
off the shelf as they are for the XL.
Consider going to the builders workshop. Its the best avaiation related
money I've ever spent, EAA membership included. Those people just bent over
backwards to answer questions and made themselves and their faciltiy ours
for three whole days (to those of you out there waiting for kits or parts, I
appologize).
Unless you can afford a full kit and have the time to spend assembling it
right away I wouldn't sweat the engine too much, who knows what will be
available in two or three years, or what they will cost. Right now I'm
leaning towards a Corvail conversion, but that could easily change, I have
four to five years to figure that out. As to 601 or 701. I wanted the
cross country capability most, and I really like the looks of the 601. But
as soon as I'm done with it I want to start a 701. I'm gonna start working
on the wife about that soon.....
Good Luck!
Bob Lindley
CH601-HD - I got a Rudder now!
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| Subject: | What are these parts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
OK... I'm stumped. I'm working on the landing/taxi lights for my 601XL
and in the box are these little metal thingies. It looks like the part
number is SSA-225. I think they came in the light kit. There are 12 of them.
I can't find them by that part number on any of the inventory sheets,
the plans or the parts database at zenithair.com.
To see a picture go to http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR/html/progress.html
Gig Giacona
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| Subject: | Re: What are these parts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
These are DZUS fastener springs, like the ones used on
the baggage locker door. I have no idea why you would
have this in the light kit; but I did'nt use a kit.
Michel
--- Gig <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig
> <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
>
> OK... I'm stumped. I'm working on the landing/taxi
> lights for my 601XL
> and in the box are these little metal thingies. It
> looks like the part
> number is SSA-225. I think they came in the light
> kit. There are 12 of them.
>
> I can't find them by that part number on any of the
> inventory sheets,
> the plans or the parts database at zenithair.com.
>
> To see a picture go to
> http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR/html/progress.html
>
>
> Gig Giacona
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
=====
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http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
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http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | New member with questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Greetings list
Still waiting for the big box. Zenith has advised me they are two weeks
behind in shipments. My question is how many and what size clecos are required
to
build the rudder only. My Dad will be building it for me (500 miles from me)
and I need to know how many to purchase to set him up.
Thanks
Joe Motis
601XL
still waiting for the big box
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| Subject: | Re: What are these parts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Gig, they look like parts of dzu fasteners. Take a look in the ASS catalog, around
page 100.
Carlos
> OK... I'm stumped. I'm working on the landing/taxi lights for my 601XL
> and in the box are these little metal thingies. It looks like the part
> number is SSA-225. I think they came in the light kit. There are 12 of them.
>
> I can't find them by that part number on any of the inventory sheets,
> the plans or the parts database at zenithair.com.
>
> To see a picture go to http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR/html/progress.html
>
>
> Gig Giacona
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | What are these parts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Gig:
I don't think you need them. From Michel Therin's page see this photo:
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/powing_stiff.jpg
The description is as follows:
Dzus
Not talking about a Greek God here, but rather the fastener that keeps the
baggage door closed. Small pieces of L angles are installed to reinforce
each of the DZus openings on the wing (they are 45mm long). The rivets for
the DZus springs are dimpled and are attaching the Spring and L angle to the
skin.
Anyway they are not needed for the landing/Taxi light assemblies unless
there is a drawing revision.
Keep up the good work,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
OK... I'm stumped.
To see a picture go to http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR/html/progress.html
Gig Giacona
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| Subject: | Re: New member with questions |
02/02/2004 02:40:12 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
Peter,
I am installing the aux tanks in my XL. The only issues I had were;
the fuel line run through a tube welded into the main tank and is a very
tight fit. Hooking the fuel line up is also quite tedious as there is less
than a 2" gap between the nose ribs, but it can be done. The tanks are an
excellent fit and will provide great range. I plan to have a full
electric IFR panel for x-country flying. Hopefully others can provide you
with flight data as I am still months away from that first flight. I also
chose the Zenith with the idea of being able to afford to fly after I
retire (or am semi-retired).
Craig S.
601XL, N601XL 0-235 lyc
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| Subject: | Re: What are these parts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
These are DZUS fastener springs. Don't know where they are used on the XL, but
they are used to hold the wing locker down on the HD/HDS models.
Jerry Latimer
601HDS
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>
> From: Gig <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
> Date: 2004/02/02 Mon PM 02:03:19 EST
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: What are these parts?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
>
> OK... I'm stumped. I'm working on the landing/taxi lights for my 601XL
> and in the box are these little metal thingies. It looks like the part
> number is SSA-225. I think they came in the light kit. There are 12 of them.
>
> I can't find them by that part number on any of the inventory sheets,
> the plans or the parts database at zenithair.com.
>
> To see a picture go to http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR/html/progress.html
>
>
> Gig Giacona
>
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| Subject: | What are these parts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
They're the spring side of dzus fasteners. Probably for the baggage comp?
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
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From: Gig [mailto:wr.giacona@cox-internet.com]
Subject: Zenith-List: What are these parts?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
OK... I'm stumped. I'm working on the landing/taxi lights for my 601XL
and in the box are these little metal thingies. It looks like the part
number is SSA-225. I think they came in the light kit. There are 12 of them.
I can't find them by that part number on any of the inventory sheets,
the plans or the parts database at zenithair.com.
To see a picture go to http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR/html/progress.html
Gig Giacona
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| Subject: | Re: What are these parts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Gig: If you got the firewall fwd kit that is where they are used.Maybe they got
in the wrong box. Jack
Gig <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig
OK... I'm stumped. I'm working on the landing/taxi lights for my 601XL
and in the box are these little metal thingies. It looks like the part
number is SSA-225. I think they came in the light kit. There are 12 of them.
I can't find them by that part number on any of the inventory sheets,
the plans or the parts database at zenithair.com.
To see a picture go to http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR/html/progress.html
Gig Giacona
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "dsherburn" <dsherburn@charter.net>
Craig,
I appreciate your comments re: the O-235. That's kind of the way
I'm leaning. Is the fact that more A&P's are going to be familiar
with this motor a factor, or is it kind of a "non issue".
How about motor mounts and factory help. Are mounts and
accessories available and does Zenith "bless" this installation?
Sorry for all the "newbie" questions many of you are way beyond.
Dan Sherburn
----- Original Message -----
From: <caspainhower@aep.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>
>
> >I truely see 4 gph with mine. With my Cessna 150, I usually planned for
> 6.5 gph.
> >For round numbers, fly 1000 hours burning 2.5 gph more at $2.50/gal and
> you just
> >spent $6,250 more in fuel. You won't gain much (if any) speed because
the
> >Cont and Lyc weigh so much more. There is much discussion about the cost
> of
> >the Rotax, but I don't see a certified engine being a cost savings.
>
> I chose the XL because I wanted to use the 0-235. Based on my experience
> in a 152 and feedback from XL pilots flying behind one, 5 - 5.5 gph is a
> realistic rate for cruising at 75% power. Factor in that you can burn
> autogas and the fuel cost is not an issue. As far as the extra weight,
> that will affect climb performance some, but not cruise speed. If you
want
> a new engine, the certified engine will definitely cost more. However,
> used 0-235's are plentiful and a midtime engine sells for ~$6,000. The
> decision about what engine to use is still more one of personal
preference,
> a certified engine was mine, for x-country flying.
>
> Craig S.
> N 601XS 0-235 lyc.
>
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| Subject: | Rotax vs. Rotax... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Let's not confuse the 532 (and subsequent 582) with the Ski-Doo versions of
these engines. The sled versions make a stink of a lot of horsepower mainly
due to the atmosphere they operate in and the amount of gas they swallow.
The aircraft engines are de-rated - have smaller orifices that restrict fuel
flow. These engines also have beefier bearings and are made to run like
aircraft engine bearings.
Aircraft engines commonly run close to flat out 70-80 percent of the time.
Ski-Doos run flat-out on relatively short bursts out on a lake or river and
cruise the rest of the time.
I am definitely not against experimenting - as long as it is researched, and
tested, and safe (as safe as possible).
Martin Bima
STOL-Vair
Winnipeg, Canada
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Rotax vs. Rotax...
Let's not confuse the 532 (and subsequent 582) with the Ski-Doo versions of these
engines. The sled versions make a stink of a lot of horsepower mainly due to
the atmosphere they operate in and the amount of gas they swallow.
The aircraft engines are de-rated - have smaller orifices that restrict fuel flow.
These engines also have beefier bearings and are made to run like aircraft
engine bearings.
Aircraft engines commonly run close to flat out 70-80 percent of the time. Ski-Doos
run flat-out on relatively short bursts out on a lake or river and cruise
the rest of the time.
I am definitely not against experimenting - as long as it is researched, and tested,
and safe (as safe as possible).
Martin Bima
STOL-Vair
Winnipeg, Canada
18% complete
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| Subject: | Great folder for your ZAC blueprints. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Greetings list
After fruitless trips to Office Max and Staples looking for a binder to put
the ZAC blueprints in, I found an art display folder at a local (not a chain)
art supply.The Itoya IA-12-12 11"X17"
has 24 double sided clear plastic leaves with a piece of non acidic paper to
slide your prints into and has the added benefit of lying flat, displaying two
prints at once and protecting them from spilled coffee or whatever. You will
need to buy two of them, but they are only about $12.00 apiece. Looks darn
professional, also. Their website is www.itoya.com which gives a list of where
they can be purchased.
Still waiting for the big box
Joe Motis
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steelframe AUS" <sales@steelframe.com.au>
You wrote, Since the HD has the slab wing I only have to build two
sets of rib forms for the wings (one left, one right),
Bob, You only have to build one set of rib formers, they form both
left & right hand ribs.
Regards
Ron Saarinen (in Australia)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Traveling Man" <travliman58@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Traveling Man"
<travliman58@hotmail.com>
>
> Dan,
>
> I just decided to build an HD model, presuming its figures fall within the
> final LSA/SP parameters, and I just returned from the January builder
> workshop with my rudder.
>
> I also wanted an all metal aircraft, my decision to go with the HD model
is
> based on two factors:
>
> 1. I am a heavy guy by myself, add the wife and it starts to get close to
> the XL models useful load before I get fuel on board. Due to the high
lift
> slab wing the HD has the highest useful load of all the 601's. Since I am
> diabetic and asthmatic the FAA doesn't want me going faster than whatever
> the top speed for Sport Pilot winds up being.
>
> 2. Due to shallow pockets I am going to have to build from plans (and a
few
> bits from Zenith). Since the HD has the slab wing I only have to build
two
> sets of rib forms for the wings (one left, one right), as opposed to
having
> to build a rib form for every single rib, as on the XL.
>
> My recommendations, for whatever they may be worth to you -
>
> I would go with the XL if the higher load limit wasn't a factor and I
could
> afford the kit, Zenith is ramping up production to support the XL and
while
> I was there I noticed that XL parts were all they were building for the
601
> family. They do still support the others, but parts are not as available
> off the shelf as they are for the XL.
>
> Consider going to the builders workshop. Its the best avaiation related
> money I've ever spent, EAA membership included. Those people just bent
over
> backwards to answer questions and made themselves and their faciltiy ours
> for three whole days (to those of you out there waiting for kits or parts,
I
> appologize).
>
> Unless you can afford a full kit and have the time to spend assembling it
> right away I wouldn't sweat the engine too much, who knows what will be
> available in two or three years, or what they will cost. Right now I'm
> leaning towards a Corvail conversion, but that could easily change, I have
> four to five years to figure that out. As to 601 or 701. I wanted the
> cross country capability most, and I really like the looks of the 601.
But
> as soon as I'm done with it I want to start a 701. I'm gonna start
working
> on the wife about that soon.....
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Bob Lindley
> CH601-HD - I got a Rudder now!
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
How do you handle spring-back with only one set of form blocks?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steelframe AUS" <sales@steelframe.com.au>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steelframe AUS"
<sales@steelframe.com.au>
>
> You wrote, Since the HD has the slab wing I only have to build two
> sets of rib forms for the wings (one left, one right),
>
> Bob, You only have to build one set of rib formers, they form both
> left & right hand ribs.
>
> Regards
> Ron Saarinen (in Australia)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Traveling Man" <travliman58@hotmail.com>
> To: <Zenith-List@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Traveling Man"
> <travliman58@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Dan,
> >
> > I just decided to build an HD model, presuming its figures fall within
the
> > final LSA/SP parameters, and I just returned from the January builder
> > workshop with my rudder.
> >
> > I also wanted an all metal aircraft, my decision to go with the HD model
> is
> > based on two factors:
> >
> > 1. I am a heavy guy by myself, add the wife and it starts to get close
to
> > the XL models useful load before I get fuel on board. Due to the high
> lift
> > slab wing the HD has the highest useful load of all the 601's. Since I
am
> > diabetic and asthmatic the FAA doesn't want me going faster than
whatever
> > the top speed for Sport Pilot winds up being.
> >
> > 2. Due to shallow pockets I am going to have to build from plans (and a
> few
> > bits from Zenith). Since the HD has the slab wing I only have to build
> two
> > sets of rib forms for the wings (one left, one right), as opposed to
> having
> > to build a rib form for every single rib, as on the XL.
> >
> > My recommendations, for whatever they may be worth to you -
> >
> > I would go with the XL if the higher load limit wasn't a factor and I
> could
> > afford the kit, Zenith is ramping up production to support the XL and
> while
> > I was there I noticed that XL parts were all they were building for the
> 601
> > family. They do still support the others, but parts are not as
available
> > off the shelf as they are for the XL.
> >
> > Consider going to the builders workshop. Its the best avaiation related
> > money I've ever spent, EAA membership included. Those people just bent
> over
> > backwards to answer questions and made themselves and their faciltiy
ours
> > for three whole days (to those of you out there waiting for kits or
parts,
> I
> > appologize).
> >
> > Unless you can afford a full kit and have the time to spend assembling
it
> > right away I wouldn't sweat the engine too much, who knows what will be
> > available in two or three years, or what they will cost. Right now I'm
> > leaning towards a Corvail conversion, but that could easily change, I
have
> > four to five years to figure that out. As to 601 or 701. I wanted the
> > cross country capability most, and I really like the looks of the 601.
> But
> > as soon as I'm done with it I want to start a 701. I'm gonna start
> working
> > on the wife about that soon.....
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > Bob Lindley
> > CH601-HD - I got a Rudder now!
> >
> > High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium
Internet
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus Subaru cooling |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
I am pleased to announce that my cooling problems are apparently over. My
water temp pegged at 185 deg. and only exceeded that when taxiing with no
airflow through the rad
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
John,
Just curious what the OAT was during your test, and what RPM were you
cruising at?
Nice to hear about your success.
Kelly Meiste
601 Stratus
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steelframe AUS" <sales@steelframe.com.au>
When you make your 2 form blocks you put a 10deg angle on both,
& when you sandwich your rib between the blocks you can then make
a left or a right hand rib, just depends on which way you belt it
Ron Saarinen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> How do you handle spring-back with only one set of form blocks?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steelframe AUS" <sales@steelframe.com.au>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steelframe AUS"
> <sales@steelframe.com.au>
> >
> > You wrote, Since the HD has the slab wing I only have to build two
> > sets of rib forms for the wings (one left, one right),
> >
> > Bob, You only have to build one set of rib formers, they form both
> > left & right hand ribs.
> >
> > Regards
> > Ron Saarinen (in Australia)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Traveling Man" <travliman58@hotmail.com>
> > To: <Zenith-List@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL
> >
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Traveling Man"
> > <travliman58@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > Dan,
> > >
> > > I just decided to build an HD model, presuming its figures fall within
> the
> > > final LSA/SP parameters, and I just returned from the January builder
> > > workshop with my rudder.
> > >
> > > I also wanted an all metal aircraft, my decision to go with the HD
model
> > is
> > > based on two factors:
> > >
> > > 1. I am a heavy guy by myself, add the wife and it starts to get
close
> to
> > > the XL models useful load before I get fuel on board. Due to the high
> > lift
> > > slab wing the HD has the highest useful load of all the 601's. Since
I
> am
> > > diabetic and asthmatic the FAA doesn't want me going faster than
> whatever
> > > the top speed for Sport Pilot winds up being.
> > >
> > > 2. Due to shallow pockets I am going to have to build from plans (and
a
> > few
> > > bits from Zenith). Since the HD has the slab wing I only have to
build
> > two
> > > sets of rib forms for the wings (one left, one right), as opposed to
> > having
> > > to build a rib form for every single rib, as on the XL.
> > >
> > > My recommendations, for whatever they may be worth to you -
> > >
> > > I would go with the XL if the higher load limit wasn't a factor and I
> > could
> > > afford the kit, Zenith is ramping up production to support the XL and
> > while
> > > I was there I noticed that XL parts were all they were building for
the
> > 601
> > > family. They do still support the others, but parts are not as
> available
> > > off the shelf as they are for the XL.
> > >
> > > Consider going to the builders workshop. Its the best avaiation
related
> > > money I've ever spent, EAA membership included. Those people just
bent
> > over
> > > backwards to answer questions and made themselves and their faciltiy
> ours
> > > for three whole days (to those of you out there waiting for kits or
> parts,
> > I
> > > appologize).
> > >
> > > Unless you can afford a full kit and have the time to spend assembling
> it
> > > right away I wouldn't sweat the engine too much, who knows what will
be
> > > available in two or three years, or what they will cost. Right now
I'm
> > > leaning towards a Corvail conversion, but that could easily change, I
> have
> > > four to five years to figure that out. As to 601 or 701. I wanted
the
> > > cross country capability most, and I really like the looks of the 601.
> > But
> > > as soon as I'm done with it I want to start a 701. I'm gonna start
> > working
> > > on the wife about that soon.....
> > >
> > > Good Luck!
> > >
> > > Bob Lindley
> > > CH601-HD - I got a Rudder now!
> > >
> > > High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium
> Internet
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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