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1. 04:01 AM - Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL (caspainhower@aep.com)
2. 06:20 AM - Re: What are these parts? (Gig)
3. 07:26 AM - shavings milestone (David Barth)
4. 07:43 AM - What are these parts? ()
5. 08:19 AM - 601 gear (Brandon Tucker)
6. 09:22 AM - Sticking MAC switch - send to Ray Allen Co for replacement (royt.or@netzero.com)
7. 09:44 AM - Re: New member with questions (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
8. 09:47 AM - Re: New member with questions (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
9. 10:44 AM - Aluminum spring gear (Brandon Tucker)
10. 11:04 AM - Re: New member with questions (Ken Szewc)
11. 12:19 PM - D tank drawing (Johann)
12. 12:20 PM - Re: New member with questions (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
13. 12:43 PM - Tires/Wheels (Carlos Sa)
14. 12:58 PM - Re: want to buy (John W. Tarabocchia)
15. 01:54 PM - Re: problems (Thilo Kind)
16. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL (Leo Gates)
17. 04:47 PM - Re: Tires/Wheels (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
18. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: New member with questions ()
19. 07:16 PM - zenith-list Re: tires and wheels (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
20. 08:58 PM - Re: Clecos (Joemotis@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL |
02/03/2004 07:00:18 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>How about motor mounts and factory help. Are mounts and
>accessories available and does Zenith "bless" this installation?
ZAC does supply a motor mount and cowling for the 0-235. They will also
recommend a wood prop, the one they used on an earlier prototype of the XL.
There is also an option in the supplied prints for installing the battery
near the tail for W&B. This is an approved option for the XL and the staff
has been very supportive when I have discussed the installation with them.
Craig S.
N601XS, lyc 0-235
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| Subject: | Re: What are these parts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gig <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
Thanks all. They came with the Wing Locker kit which I bought at the
same time as the light kit and they got mixed together. But aren't shown
on the plans and I had lost the inventory sheet for that subassembly.
Zenith does make an pretty big assumption that kit builders know how to
install fasteners like DZUS and for that matter nut plates.
Gig Giacona
www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | shavings milestone |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hi list.
Just an update on activities. I feel I have passed a
major milestone. After doing all the drilling for the
XL outboard and center spar sections, I know that I am
at least halfway there - insofar as the pile of
aluminum shavings and twirlies and filings goes.
Slowest holes I have ever drilled and the weight of
that shaving stuff has to be at least equal to all the
rest of all the other aircraft shaving stuff output
put together - so it's got to be cause to celebrate.
Right? Now to rivet all that stuff! Have an excellent
day.
David
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Making Spars. Wing ribs all done. Scratchin Head on the fuel tanks.
Elevator waiting for skins. Stab,Flaps,Ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection.
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| Subject: | What are these parts? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <tgrazian@bellsouth.net>
They are part of the Dzus fasteners. See page 101 of Aircarft Spruce current Cat.
They are used in the wing lockers for the XL.
Tony Graziano 601XL Kit received 7 Jan. Finished Tail feathers - starting flaps.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
List,
I know someone on the list put an aluminum spring
gear from Grove on an HDS. I plan to do the same.
Don't count out the older zodie models because of the
complex gear installation.
Respectfully,
Brandon Tucker
HDS 4078
Wing skins and LE Tanks.
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| Subject: | Sticking MAC switch - send to Ray Allen Co for replacement |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: royt.or@netzero.com
Johen Karnes wrote "The only glitch was that the MAC elevator trim kept sticking
in one direction or the other. A press of the button made the trim peg in that
direction. After tapping in several times, I finally got the thing to stop.
Will probably change out the rocker switch and trip the size of the trim tab."
John, My MAC switch was "sticky". I sent an inquiry to Ray Allen Co (previously MAC, http://www.rayallencompany.com/menzimeraircraft.html) and they replaced the switch with an updated design. See http://www.rayallencompany.com/.
Congratulations on solving your cooling problem. I'd be interested in a picture
of your new muffler.
We need to get the Pacfic NW Zodiac's together sometime. Frank's in CVO, mine at
HIO, N601Q at HIO, yours, and I believe another at Independence. Probably other's
I don't know about.
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 160hrs
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| Subject: | Re: New member with questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
For the rudder you need 1/8" clecos. These are the copper colored ones, fifty should
be plenty for just the rudder. You may need some 5/32" (black) clecos also,
25 should be good to start. Eventually you will neet about 200 1/8" clecoes
and about 100 5/32" clecos.
The cheapest place I've found for Clecos is U. S. Industrial Tools in Plymouth,
MI.
http://www.ustool.com/ or Call 888-4-USTOOL
They have them as monthly specials for thirty cents each.
Bryan Martin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
>
> Greetings list
> Still waiting for the big box. Zenith has advised me they are two weeks
> behind in shipments. My question is how many and what size clecos are required
> to
> build the rudder only. My Dad will be building it for me (500 miles from me)
> and I need to know how many to purchase to set him up.
> Thanks
> Joe Motis
> 601XL
> still waiting for the big box
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: New member with questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
You are also going to need some 3/32 (silver) cleocs when you get to the canopy.
I found 25 was plenty. You don't need these for the rudder though.
Bryan Martin
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
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| Subject: | Aluminum spring gear |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
List,
Check the photo share archives for Frank Darby on
Jul 27 2003 Re: Alum spring gear. Makes the HDS look
pretty smooth.
Respectfully,
Brandon Tucker
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| Subject: | Re: New member with questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ken Szewc <szewc@direcway.com>
As a preference I pre-drill everything with #40 so I use alot of 3/32
clecos. #40 drills usually take much less pressure and time to cut and are
less apt to "walk" on you. It is very easy to go back and open the holes
with the correct size. It might just be in my mind but I believe it leaves
less of a bur also. An added bonus is that after everything is pre-drilled
and clecoed you can re-check for warp and have a chance to correct before
opening up the holes (saved me some money on the stabilizer).
Just my two cents.
Ken Szewc
701SP 912S everything done except slats and flaperons
N701SZ (reserved)
Anyone have plans for a flaperon control hinge for the 701 (instead of
cutting the smile in the fuselage)?
----- Original Message -----
From: <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New member with questions
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
>
>
> You are also going to need some 3/32 (silver) cleocs when you get to the
canopy. I found 25 was plenty. You don't need these for the rudder though.
>
> Bryan Martin
>
> do not archive
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Hello list members.
I just purchased a "D" tank for my Zenith 701, but do not have any
drawings for the installation of the tank.
Does anyone on the list have these drawings that they could scan and
send via email?
Thank you in advance.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
www.fisflug.tk <http://www.fisflug.tk/>
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| Subject: | New member with questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I agree,
I did a lot of 3/32 predrilling and fully support the approach below. I
think it was pretty rare to just drill a hole wiithout pilot drilling first.
Frank
HDS 310 hours, Stratus with Ram heads
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Szewc
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New member with questions
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ken Szewc <szewc@direcway.com>
As a preference I pre-drill everything with #40 so I use alot of 3/32
clecos. #40 drills usually take much less pressure and time to cut and are
less apt to "walk" on you. It is very easy to go back and open the holes
with the correct size. It might just be in my mind but I believe it leaves
less of a bur also. An added bonus is that after everything is pre-drilled
and clecoed you can re-check for warp and have a chance to correct before
opening up the holes (saved me some money on the stabilizer).
Just my two cents.
Ken Szewc
701SP 912S everything done except slats and flaperons
N701SZ (reserved)
Anyone have plans for a flaperon control hinge for the 701 (instead of
cutting the smile in the fuselage)?
----- Original Message -----
From: <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New member with questions
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
>
>
> You are also going to need some 3/32 (silver) cleocs when you get to
> the
canopy. I found 25 was plenty. You don't need these for the rudder though.
>
> Bryan Martin
>
> do not archive
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello,
Can somebody clarify how the tire/wheel secification works, i.e., 5x500 ??
Which, BTW, is different from the car tire specs I've seen (and I don't understand
either), like
185/60-14...
thanks in advance
Carlos
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John W. Tarabocchia" <tarabocchia@peoplepc.com>
I have a set of used hds wings...
$1200. Bucks without the strobes
$1500. Bucks with the strobes
John W. Tarabocchia
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "k.jones" <kevin-jones@snet.net>
Sorry, guys. I meant to say I want anything to go with a 601 kit.
kj
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi Leo,
I run into the exact same issue late fall: engine started to run very rough
just after take-off (got me a little bit scared...). In the following engine
test runs I had several mag problems - they came and went - and also
probelms starting the engine. I suspected the ingnition system and started
checking from the spark plugs back, but haven't found the problem yet (too
much traveling lately - no time for the plane). First thing I will to on
Saturday is to check the red wire. Thanks a lot for your post.
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: problems
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis"
<leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
> I have a Zodiac 601HDS, 400 hrs, ROTAX 912 UL
> I just finished finding a very sneaky intermittent ignition failure
problem.
> I think we could really help each other by giving a detailed account of
the
> trouble and solution.
> My problem was an intermittent roughnes and later a really bad "mag"
> check on 2 differient flights that I could not find when trouble shooting
> later. Eventually I got to a condition where one ignition system was
dead.
> The culprit was a break in the red stranded wire from the alternator to
the
> module. I had exchanged these leads and the trouble went away for a while
> and I tried module swaps and pickup swaps hunting for the problem. Finally
I
> was doing an ohmmeter check on everything and got erratic readings on one
of
> the red wires. I recalled an A&P's remark that when he worked on Rotaxes,
> most of the trouble was with the stranded wiring. I found that pushing the
> wire into the connector, the ohmmeter reading settled down, pulling gently
> brought back the erratic readings. I pulled harder and felt the last
strand
> break, verified by the ohmmeter. As the wire strands broke the current to
> the ignition module dropped causing intermittent erratic operation of the
> sparkplugs.
>
> The cure: I cut off the connector and replaced it with a similar female
auto
> connector.(prying the tabs on the old connector caused one tab to break
off,
> (recycling the old connector is a BAD idea. Soldering is not a option
> because of the short space and high vibration) I needed a short piece of
> high quality stranded wire so I bought the cheapest POMONA (manufacturer
of
> high grade test leads) test wire and cut out the wire I needed to put on
the
> crimped connector and a crimped splice plus a small loop for strain
relief.
> 2 tiewraps hold everything together and minimize vibration. The choice of
hi
> grade test lead gave me a very multistranded wire with tough insulation.
> Cheap test leads need no apply! also 18 gage Tefzel wire from Aircraft
> Spruce doesn't have enough strands for me. I also added clips to the cut
> ends and have 2 more test leads.
>
> Leo J. Corbalis
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL-HD/HDS/UL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates <leogates@allvantage.com>
Dan. I made/installed the main landing gear on my CH601HDS by myself.
I am a first time builder. It took about 30 min. per gear to install
them using Chris' instructions - piece of cake.
Leo Gates
David Barth wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
>Dan. You might want to take a look at the main
>landing gear as well. I myself have never put
>together the main gear from one of the older models of
>601 but when I was shopping my choice of models, this
>was one of the main gripes of HD/HDS builders - the
>complexity of construction/assembly of the main gear.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tires/Wheels |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
For aircraft tires, the first number is the tread width in inches and the second
number is the wheel diameter in inches. For most newer automitive tires, (ie.
185/60-14) the first number is the tread width in mm, the second number is the
aspect ratio (tire thickness divided by tread width) and the last number is
the wheel diameter in inches. Usually you will see a letter between the second
and third numbers, R for radial, B for bias ply, etc. A letter before the first
number indicates the application: P for passenger car, LT for light truck,
T for trailer, etc. At least that's the way it is here in the U.S.
Bryan Martin
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello,
>
>
> Can somebody clarify how the tire/wheel secification works, i.e., 5x500 ??
>
> Which, BTW, is different from the car tire specs I've seen (and I don't
> understand either), like
> 185/60-14...
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Carlos
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: New member with questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
I did the same with the 3/32 cleco's and I agree with Ken about less burring and
a chance to make adjustments prior to drilling out to the final size. I think
I purchased 500 1/8" and 300 5/32". I purchased most of them from Avery tools
at the local fly-ins.
Jerry
601HDS
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>
> From: Ken Szewc <szewc@direcway.com>
>
> As a preference I pre-drill everything with #40 so I use alot of 3/32
> clecos. #40 drills usually take much less pressure and time to cut and are
> less apt to "walk" on you. It is very easy to go back and open the holes
> with the correct size.
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| Subject: | zenith-list re: tires and wheels |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
In my previous post on this subject, replace the words "tread width" with "section
width". The width and aspect ratios of tires are actually based on the overall
inflated width of the tire not the tread width.
Bryan Martin
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Thanks list!
I am planning on follow all of you listers advice on the pilot hole and 3/32
clecos.
Joe Motis
601XL
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