Today's Message Index:
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1. 10:52 AM - Center stick boot update. (Bill Morelli)
2. 11:42 AM - Forming Blocks (Stuart Riley)
3. 12:39 PM - Re: 601 gear (Brenton Battles)
4. 12:53 PM - Re: 601 gear (Michel Therrien)
5. 01:29 PM - Re: 601 gear (Rick Pitcher)
6. 02:15 PM - Re: 601 gear (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
7. 03:17 PM - First Flight (Lowell Metz)
8. 03:39 PM - Re: Forming Blocks (Steelframe AUS)
9. 03:53 PM - Re: First Flight (Mark Stauffer)
10. 03:56 PM - Re: First Flight (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
11. 04:03 PM - Re: First Flight (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
12. 04:37 PM - Re: First Flight (Bill Cardell)
13. 04:38 PM - Re: First Flight (Michel Therrien)
14. 05:02 PM - Sheet metal quantity, supplier question (Traveling Man)
15. 05:21 PM - Re: First Flight (Larry McFarland)
16. 05:35 PM - Re: First Flight (Arthur Nation)
17. 06:17 PM - Zodiac 601 parts available (gpjann@juno.com)
18. 06:19 PM - Re: Sheet metal quantity, supplier question (Kevin W Bonds)
19. 06:20 PM - Bending Brakes (AJ)
20. 06:21 PM - Re: Sheet metal quantity, supplier question (Kevin W Bonds)
21. 06:24 PM - Re: First Flight (AJ)
22. 07:10 PM - Sheet Aluminum supplier (Richard Brown)
23. 07:19 PM - Re: First Flight (Frank Jones)
24. 07:20 PM - Incorrect Bottom Wing Skins (Mark Stauffer)
25. 08:00 PM - Re: Incorrect Bottom Wing Skins (Joemotis@aol.com)
26. 08:33 PM - Re: Incorrect Bottom Wing Skins (Mark Stauffer)
27. 08:40 PM - Re: Incorrect Bottom Wing Skins (Joemotis@aol.com)
28. 08:42 PM - No Smile Flap (RURUNY@aol.com)
29. 09:37 PM - Re: Incorrect Bottom Wing Skins (Jack Russell)
30. 09:46 PM - Re: Incorrect Bottom Wing Skins (Jack Russell)
31. 09:47 PM - Re: No Smile Flap (Arthur Nation)
32. 10:32 PM - Re: No Smile Flap (Benford2@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Center stick boot update. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
Kelly Meiste was kind enough to supply a CAD drawing (embeded in an Excel
spreadsheet) of Mike Fothergill's original boot drawing.
I added this Excel spreadsheet to my web site. Go to the web site below,
select "construction", select "center stick boot", left click on the link
"BOOT Excel CAD.xls" link to see the cad drawing or right click on the link
to save the Excel file to your system.
Regards,
Bill (N812BM - HDS - Tri - Stratus (RAM Heads) - Vermont - 300.9 flight
hrs. - 414 landings, (1 ON ICE!!)
web site -> http://homepages.together.net/~billvt/
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stuart Riley" <csriley@ix.netcom.com>
I'm in the process of scratch building a 601XL. I've finished the tail
feathers and am ready to start on the wings. I wonder if there is anyone on
the list that has finished their XL wings and may have a set of forming
blocks and/or templates that they would be interested in
loaning/renting/selling. I suspect building the forming blocks will be as
time consuming as actually forming the ribs.
Thanks
Stu Riley
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brenton Battles <brentbattles@charter.net>
Before installing the bungee gear on my HD I was a bit apprehensive as
a result of reading posts on this list. I found the process to be
straightforward aided by a simple tool which I'm sure I didn't invent
but which you can view at the link to "Construction Process within my
website:
http://www.flappingpappy.com/zodiac/hangar.html
Regards,
Brent Battles N16BZ 452 hrs
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
True, I copied on your idea when I installed mine.
Installing the bungees and gear legs was really not a
problem:
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/Dcp01552.jpg
Michel
--- Brenton Battles <brentbattles@charter.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brenton Battles
> <brentbattles@charter.net>
>
> Before installing the bungee gear on my HD I was a
> bit apprehensive as
> a result of reading posts on this list. I found the
> process to be
> straightforward aided by a simple tool which I'm
> sure I didn't invent
> but which you can view at the link to "Construction
> Process within my
> website:
>
> http://www.flappingpappy.com/zodiac/hangar.html
>
> Regards,
> Brent Battles N16BZ 452 hrs
>
>
=====
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Michel Therrien wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
> True, I copied on your idea when I installed mine.
> Installing the bungees and gear legs was really not a
> problem:
> http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/Dcp01552.jpg
>
> Michel
Another variation of the same theme. I drilled 4 holes in the forming
block for the rear bulkhead and used the all-thread rod that I bought
for the aileron pushrods to compress the bungees before bolting the
whole assembly in place http://www.lightflyers.com/compress.jpg
Waste not, want not :)
Rick P.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Since we are on labour saving ideas, I have a simpler way to compress the
bungees.
Use 2 C clamps (called G clamps if your from England) 6" clamps work fine,
you hook one clamp at the front and one at the back between the base of the
gear box and under the flat plate of the gear leg.
The C clamp would be upside down..... Works great and you don't have to make
anything.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Pitcher
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 gear
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Pitcher
--> <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Michel Therrien wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
> True, I copied on your idea when I installed mine.
> Installing the bungees and gear legs was really not a
> problem:
> http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/Dcp01552.jpg
>
> Michel
Another variation of the same theme. I drilled 4 holes in the forming
block for the rear bulkhead and used the all-thread rod that I bought
for the aileron pushrods to compress the bungees before bolting the
whole assembly in place http://www.lightflyers.com/compress.jpg
Waste not, want not :)
Rick P.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
List,
N 891 VF , my CH701 with a 912 S flew this evening for the first time.
I only spent .3 hours in the air as I could see some sea fog moving inland just
north of me and didn't want to do an instrument approach ( grin ). I am only
1 mile inland off the Gulf of Mexico and my take-off took me to the shore line
where I did a shallow turn and kept climbing and circling the airport to 1,500
feet. The controls are light and very responsive. After I sleep on it I'll
take it up and start checking things out. This evening was just fly the plane,
fly the plane. The landing was not that pretty as I cut the power a little
early and then added some back in to get the flair I wanted but I didn't drop
it in. So much for the anxiety of the first flight. It is behind me and
now I can start to enjoy the ship.
Lowell Metz
Venice FL.
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| Subject: | Re: Forming Blocks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steelframe AUS" <sales@steelframe.com.au>
Stu,
Yes it takes 10 time longer to make the blocks than it does to make the
ribs.
Ron Saarinen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Riley" <csriley@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Forming Blocks
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Stuart Riley" <csriley@ix.netcom.com>
>
> I'm in the process of scratch building a 601XL. I've finished the tail
> feathers and am ready to start on the wings. I wonder if there is anyone
on
> the list that has finished their XL wings and may have a set of forming
> blocks and/or templates that they would be interested in
> loaning/renting/selling. I suspect building the forming blocks will be as
> time consuming as actually forming the ribs.
>
> Thanks
>
> Stu Riley
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
Lowell,
Outstanding!!! I hope to see you at Sun-n-Fun. Congratulations!
Mark Stauffer
601XL Working on wings with incorrect skins
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I grin as I remember the experience!
Congratulations!
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Metz
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz"
--> <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
List,
N 891 VF , my CH701 with a 912 S flew this evening for the first
time. I only spent .3 hours in the air as I could see some sea fog moving
inland just north of me and didn't want to do an instrument approach ( grin
). I am only 1 mile inland off the Gulf of Mexico and my take-off took me
to the shore line where I did a shallow turn and kept climbing and circling
the airport to 1,500 feet. The controls are light and very responsive.
After I sleep on it I'll take it up and start checking things out. This
evening was just fly the plane, fly the plane. The landing was not that
pretty as I cut the power a little early and then added some back in to get
the flair I wanted but I didn't drop it in. So much for the anxiety of the
first flight. It is behind me and now I can start to enjoy the ship.
Lowell Metz
Venice FL.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@comcast.net>
So much for the anxiety of the first flight. It is behind me and now I can
start to enjoy the ship.
> Lowell Metz
++ Savor the feeling Lowell, only a few people in the world can say that
they constructed their own aircraft, and experienced it's flight !!!
Congrats.
Fred Hulen
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
congrats!
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
bill@flyinmiata.com
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
http://flyinmiata.com
http://flyinprotege.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lowell Metz [mailto:lowellmetz@earthlink.net]
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
List,
N 891 VF , my CH701 with a 912 S flew this evening for the first
time. I only spent .3 hours in the air as I could see some sea fog moving
inland just north of me and didn't want to do an instrument approach ( grin
). I am only 1 mile inland off the Gulf of Mexico and my take-off took me
to the shore line where I did a shallow turn and kept climbing and circling
the airport to 1,500 feet. The controls are light and very responsive.
After I sleep on it I'll take it up and start checking things out. This
evening was just fly the plane, fly the plane. The landing was not that
pretty as I cut the power a little early and then added some back in to get
the flair I wanted but I didn't drop it in. So much for the anxiety of the
first flight. It is behind me and now I can start to enjoy the ship.
Lowell Metz
Venice FL.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Congragulation!
I intend to bring my project to the airport during
march and expect first flight in April.... but
somebody else is going to do it for me. That must be
an exciting moment to fly your creation for the 1st
time.
Michel
> -----Original Message-----
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz"
> --> <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
>
> List,
>
> N 891 VF , my CH701 with a 912 S flew this
> evening for the first
> time.
=====
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Sheet metal quantity, supplier question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Traveling Man" <travliman58@hotmail.com>
Hello list.
I'm getting set to put together a buy list for sheet metal for my plans
built 601-HD, and before I start re-drawing layouts on 4 x 12 sheets in my
computer to see how much of what I'm going to need, I thought I'd ask here
and see if anyone has a buy list (Bill of Material) for a 601-HD.
Additionally I recall seeing something about a place here in the States
(Yard?) that had good prices on aluminum, but I can't seem to locate it in
the archives. I'd also be happy to discuss renting or purchasing rib
forming blocks from anyone who has done this successfully and no longer
needs theirs.
Any help is appreciated.
Bob Lindley
CH601-HD - Now I got a rudder!
4% down, 96% to go!
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz"
<lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
>
> List,
>
> N 891 VF , my CH701 with a 912 S flew this evening for the first
time. I only spent .3 hours in the air as I could see some sea fog moving
inland just north of me and didn't want to do an instrument approach (
grin ). So much for the anxiety of the first flight. It is behind me and
now I can start to enjoy the ship.
>
> Lowell Metz
> Venice FL.
Congratulations Lowell,
As much fun as you had putting it together, this has got to
give you the best sense of accomplishment. Very pleased to hear it went
well.
My 601s going to the airport sometime in March
Hope to fly a month or two later after putting
a few more hours in sharpening flying skills.
Do fly safe,
Larry McFarland
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
On Wednesday 04 February 2004 15:50, Mark Stauffer wrote:
Hi Mark,
Would you please give more details on "incorrect skins"
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer"
> <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
>
> Lowell,
>
> Outstanding!!! I hope to see you at Sun-n-Fun. Congratulations!
>
> Mark Stauffer
> 601XL Working on wings with incorrect skins
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Zodiac 601 parts available |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
Zodiac 601 parts.
I have the following parts which I would like to sell or trade.
Let me know if your interested
6E2-1 left & right Canopy lock assembly
6F7-2 left & right Engine Mount Fittings
6F7-3 left & right Engine Mount Fittings
Greg Jannakos
gpjann@juno.com
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal quantity, supplier question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
Bob
Its Yarde metals. www.yarde.com/
Kevin Bonds
Nashville Tn
601XL plansbuilder; rudder complete;97.3% to go!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Traveling Man" <travliman58@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet metal quantity, supplier question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Traveling Man"
<travliman58@hotmail.com>
>
> Hello list.
>
> I'm getting set to put together a buy list for sheet metal for my plans
> built 601-HD, and before I start re-drawing layouts on 4 x 12 sheets in my
> computer to see how much of what I'm going to need, I thought I'd ask here
> and see if anyone has a buy list (Bill of Material) for a 601-HD.
>
> Additionally I recall seeing something about a place here in the States
> (Yard?) that had good prices on aluminum, but I can't seem to locate it in
> the archives. I'd also be happy to discuss renting or purchasing rib
> forming blocks from anyone who has done this successfully and no longer
> needs theirs.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Bob Lindley
> CH601-HD - Now I got a rudder!
> 4% down, 96% to go!
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "AJ" <i_fly4fun@netzero.com>
Hi,
I'm a new member and would like to say Hello to all. I'm going to build the 701
from scratch and I need some input. I don't have the plans in hand as of yet
but I've started to do my tool research and was curious how many parts actually
require you to have 8' bending brake to form them? Are there any bends that
are longer than 8'? I know Larry Mcfarland has plans to build one if necessary
I Just want to determine the most cost effective method to fabricate.
Art Olechowski
701 Rudder and a half
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal quantity, supplier question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kevin W Bonds" <kbonds@worldshare.net>
Bob
BTW Scott Laughlin is sending me full size Templates of all ribs for XL. :)
$55.00 the cost of printing.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville Tn
601XL plansbuilder; rudder complete;97.3% to go!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Traveling Man" <travliman58@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet metal quantity, supplier question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Traveling Man"
<travliman58@hotmail.com>
>
> Hello list.
>
> I'm getting set to put together a buy list for sheet metal for my plans
> built 601-HD, and before I start re-drawing layouts on 4 x 12 sheets in my
> computer to see how much of what I'm going to need, I thought I'd ask here
> and see if anyone has a buy list (Bill of Material) for a 601-HD.
>
> Additionally I recall seeing something about a place here in the States
> (Yard?) that had good prices on aluminum, but I can't seem to locate it in
> the archives. I'd also be happy to discuss renting or purchasing rib
> forming blocks from anyone who has done this successfully and no longer
> needs theirs.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Bob Lindley
> CH601-HD - Now I got a rudder!
> 4% down, 96% to go!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "AJ" <i_fly4fun@netzero.com>
Congradulations Lowell, you must be proud. I can only dream of the day.
Art Olechowski
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz"
<lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
>
> List,
>
> N 891 VF , my CH701 with a 912 S flew this evening for the first
time. I only spent .3 hours in the air as I could see some sea fog moving
inland just north of me and didn't want to do an instrument approach (
grin ). I am only 1 mile inland off the Gulf of Mexico and my take-off took
me to the shore line where I did a shallow turn and kept climbing and
circling the airport to 1,500 feet. The controls are light and very
responsive. After I sleep on it I'll take it up and start checking things
out. This evening was just fly the plane, fly the plane. The landing was
not that pretty as I cut the power a little early and then added some back
in to get the flair I wanted but I didn't drop it in. So much for the
anxiety of the first flight. It is behind me and now I can start to enjoy
the ship.
>
> Lowell Metz
> Venice FL.
>
>
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| Subject: | Sheet Aluminum supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Brown" <dicknginni@erinet.com>
Dear list: In response to the question for sheet metal suppliers(Yarde metals)
to be exact, please try this link.
About.com:http://yarde.com/index.html
This company seems to have everything; however I am still waiting for a reply on
my request for a quote. They provide you with a form to fill out for all the
metal you want, and you submit it online. Regards, Dick Brown
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
Congratulations Lowell. Like Michel is planning, I had a "pro" take my
601XL up for the first flight, but joined him shortly after. What a
great feeling it is to both build and fly it. I just got my unrestricted
airworthiness cert last week and took my son up as my first real
passenger. It was a thrill for us both. Take your time getting
comfortable with the aircraft in the first few flights and happy flying.
Frank Jones
C-GYXQ 601XL 912S
Ottawa
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| Subject: | Incorrect Bottom Wing Skins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
In response to Arthur's question below.
It seems that my kit (sn 4999) and another (sn 5000) were shipped with the
bottom wing skins pre-drilled incorrectly. (It makes sense, I'm sure they
drill stacks of skins at a time.) It seems that the drilling jig was not
square to the leading edge causing all the pre-drilled holes on both bottom
skins to skew from the trailing edge to the leading edge. At the trailing
edge, RR1 is 93mm from the inboard edge. At the leading edge, RR1 is 98mm
from the inboard edge. This in turn causes you to have to pull the bottom
flange of the rib farther and farther over to match the pre-drilled holes
the closer you get to the leading edge/main spar. All the while the top
flange of the rib stays perpendicular to the leading edge. It also means
that your nose rib rivet lines will not line up with you rear rib lines.
While that in itself may not be a problem it will look like crap. No, I'm
not building a beauty queen or show winner, I'm just trying to build a good
airplane.
I am concerned that I am inducing stress or pre-stressing the ribs. I had a
builder of a beautiful RV tell me years ago, "if you're having to force it
to fit than it probably isn't right, nor is it good for the parts involved."
Unfortunately, stupid me went blindly ahead and drilled the bottom side.
Only when I started working on the nose skin did I really notice the
problem. At that point it's very blatant that something is wrong. It took me
awhile to figure out that those line were not square to the leading edge. It
came from the factory, it has to be right, right?
Also unfortunate is that I (nor the other builder) have not been able to get
ZAC to understand the problem. They acknowledge that the rivet line doesn't
seem right but then they say the ribs don't have to be square to the leading
edge. Well, the plans show that it's supposed to. I also don't like the fact
that I'm torquing the ribs. I can understand budging parts a mm or 2 but 5
or 6? They haven't given me or the other builder any other options as of yet
other than to go forward with what we've got. From what I can get from ZAC,
as long as the wing has no twist it's not a problem. To be blunt it
frustrates me that every other XL kit got correct skins, so why should I
have to deal with a wrong part. I really hope that ZAC comes through on this
one. Then I have to figure out what I can salvage from the parts that I
stupidly drilled. If I ever do get correct bottom skins then I'll have to
replace the lower spar cap, all the ribs and possibly the rear channel. I
don't mind this, I just want it to be right.
On a side note, I jigged the wing using the old method and the new and
improved method, it still turns out the same. Everything is level and square
as the manual states and as the plans show.
Bottom line, check your pre-drilled holes against the plans. I didn't and I
will be paying the price in both time and money.
Mark
601XL, Tail completed, working on wings.
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Nation
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
On Wednesday 04 February 2004 15:50, Mark Stauffer wrote:
Hi Mark,
Would you please give more details on "incorrect skins"
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Mark
Sorry to hear about your problem, hope it turns out for the best. I do have a
question for you though. You mentioned the Manual. I have ordered the wings,
fuselage and plans for my 601XL and recieved the prints and CD so far . I
printed out the photo guides for same and could not find on the CD the step by
step construction manual that I thought that I would be recieving, similar to the
step by step directions that I printed off the ZAC website for the rudder. I
contacted Shirley at ZAC and she said the CD was all you get. Is there a
manual? like the rudder one on the CD or, did it come with your wing order? Sorry
to bother you with my silly concern and crossing my fingers that all turns out
allright for you.
Joe Motis
601XL
still waiting for the big box
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| Subject: | Incorrect Bottom Wing Skins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
Joe,
I attended the rudder course in Nov '02. While there I bought the
construction manual and plans, and at that point they assigned a serial
number to me (I ordered the kit the next month). The construction manual was
just that, a three ring binder with instructions similar to what I followed
at the rudder class. I didn't know that they had gone to a CD.
I've re-read you message. I guess you could call it more of a photo guide
than step by step instructions. How 'bout a photo guide with helpful hints??
That may be more like it. Between that and the plans, I haven't had to bug
the factory too much. I will tell you though that I've pretty much
downloaded the newest version of the construction manual/photo guide from
the web site every step of the way. It has proven to be very helpful.
I hope I wasn't too negative about this wing problem. Yes, I'm frustrated
but I've had great fun building this airplane so far and hopefully this will
be a problem that both ZAC and I can overcome.
The only other major problem I've had is building the ailerons. The ailerons
supplied did not measure out the same as the drawings (watch the distance
from the trailing edge to the leading edge of the hinge). Jack Russell in CA
tried to warn me but I didn't understand what he was trying to tell me. When
you get to that point and something doesn't seem right e-mail me and I'll
tell you what I did. It worked out great for the second (and third) aileron
that I built! ;-)
Regards.
Mark
601XL
N996XL (reserved) and a long way till I get to use it!! ;-)
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Joemotis@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Incorrect Bottom Wing Skins
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Mark
Sorry to hear about your problem, hope it turns out for the best. I do have
a
question for you though. You mentioned the Manual. I have ordered the wings,
fuselage and plans for my 601XL and recieved the prints and CD so far . I
printed out the photo guides for same and could not find on the CD the step
by
step construction manual that I thought that I would be recieving, similar
to the
step by step directions that I printed off the ZAC website for the rudder.
I
contacted Shirley at ZAC and she said the CD was all you get. Is there a
manual? like the rudder one on the CD or, did it come with your wing order?
Sorry
to bother you with my silly concern and crossing my fingers that all turns
out
allright for you.
Joe Motis
601XL
still waiting for the big box
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Thanks Mark
You know, this list is one of the reasons that I am building. So many people
willing to share their trials, tribulations and experiences.
Thanks again
Joe
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Ken,
Try Gary Limings web page for his 801. Lots of good info
on what you're looking for.
This is a link to the "Frisby-Hass No Slot Flaperon".
http://www.liming.org/ch801/FHNSF.html
His home page
http://www.liming.org/ch801/
Brian
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/
Anyone have plans for a flaperon control hinge for the 701 (instead of
cutting the smile in the fuselage)?
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| Subject: | Re: Incorrect Bottom Wing Skins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
If anyone wants to see what Mark is talking about on the bottom skin you can look
at my poor website. You have to keep scrolling down to page 3 and there is
a picture of the skin problem.
Just don't all look at once. Since I don't pay any extra for this site I think
Yahoo only lets a couple of snoopers on a time.
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
If anyone wants to see what Mark is talking about on the bottom skin you can look
at my poor website. You have to keep scrolling down to page 3 and there is
a picture of the skin problem.
Just don't all look at once. Since I don't pay any extra for this site I think
Yahoo only lets a couple of snoopers on a time.
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: No Smile Flap |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
On Wednesday 04 February 2004 20:42, RURUNY@aol.com wrote:
Brian,
I can't find anything but one page on his website. Is this all?
Arthur
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
>
> Ken,
>
> Try Gary Limings web page for his 801. Lots of good info
> on what you're looking for.
> This is a link to the "Frisby-Hass No Slot Flaperon".
>
> http://www.liming.org/ch801/FHNSF.html
>
> His home page
> http://www.liming.org/ch801/
>
> Brian
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/
>
>
> Anyone have plans for a flaperon control hinge for the 701 (instead of
> cutting the smile in the fuselage)?
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 2/4/2004 10:48:28 PM Mountain Standard Time,
anation@w-link.net writes:
>
>
> On Wednesday 04 February 2004 20:42, RURUNY@aol.com wrote:
>
> Brian,
> I can't find anything but one page on his website. Is this all?
> Arthur
>
> do not archive
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > Try Gary Limings web page for his 801. Lots of good info
> > on what you're looking for.
> > This is a link to the "Frisby-Hass No Slot Flaperon".
> >
> > http://www.liming.org/ch801/FHNSF.html
> >
> > His home page
>
E mail me directly and I will fill you in on the details. The FNSF work
great.
Ben Haas N801BH
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