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1. 03:02 AM - Re: first flight (dialindave hartmann)
2. 04:52 AM - Re: First Flight (Beckman, Rick)
3. 05:24 AM - Re: Sheet Aluminum supplier (Monty Graves)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: Sheet Aluminum supplier (Jarek M. Walter)
5. 06:09 AM - Re: First Flight (Al Young)
6. 06:14 AM - Re: First Flight (Doon47@aol.com)
7. 06:25 AM - Re: First Flight (David Barth)
8. 07:30 AM - Re: First Flight (Richard Brown)
9. 08:31 AM - Re: Sheet Aluminum supplier (Monty Graves)
10. 09:01 AM - I have moved my website (Jim Kepford)
11. 11:09 AM - Re: I have moved my website (Michial Pedri)
12. 11:39 AM - Re: I have moved my website (Jim Kepford)
13. 11:40 AM - Re: I have moved my website (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
14. 12:05 PM - Re: Sheet Aluminum supplier (Jarek M. Walter)
15. 12:52 PM - want ch601XL or 701 project (phillip hartig)
16. 12:52 PM - Re: Sheet Aluminum supplier (jnbolding1)
17. 01:12 PM - VW in a 701 (Lowell Metz)
18. 01:37 PM - Re: VW in a 701 (Jarek M. Walter)
19. 01:52 PM - That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area! (David Barth)
20. 01:56 PM - Re: VW in a 701 (Jim Kepford)
21. 02:00 PM - Re: Sheet Aluminum supplier (David Barth)
22. 02:01 PM - Re: VW in a 701 (Jarek M. Walter)
23. 02:32 PM - Re: That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area! (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
24. 02:46 PM - Re: Re: VW in a 701 (ALEMBIC7@aol.com)
25. 03:12 PM - 701 w/ Jab2200 (ALEMBIC7@aol.com)
26. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: VW in a 701 (Jarek M. Walter)
27. 03:29 PM - Re: Sheet metal quantity, supplier question (John W. Tarabocchia)
28. 03:49 PM - Re: VW in a 701 (Dr. Perry Morrison)
29. 03:59 PM - Re: That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area! (Steelframe AUS)
30. 04:30 PM - Re: That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area! ()
31. 06:39 PM - Re: I have moved my website (Ramperf@aol.com)
32. 07:23 PM - 601XL/O-235 (Arthur Nation)
33. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: VW in a 701 (Chris Ross)
34. 08:09 PM - Re: That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area! (Brett Ray)
35. 08:26 PM - Canopy adhesive again (Larry McFarland)
36. 10:36 PM - Re: That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area! (Jack Russell)
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| Subject: | re: first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "dialindave hartmann" <dialindave@hotmail.com>
Congratulations Lowell!
Chip told me you were planning your first flight yesterday. Glad it went
well. Have fun with it.
See you at Sun-n-Fun.
Dave
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
N 891 VF , my CH701 with a 912 S flew this evening for the first
time.
Lowell Metz
Venice FL.
Way to go Lowell !!!! Congratulations!!
Rick
XL
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet Aluminum supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Might contact Shapiro Supply too. They had some pretty good prices awhile
back I purchase all my sheet from them for a 701
They don't show .016 in their catalog, but can get it if you order several
sheets.... like a planes worth. 12-14 sheets
http://www.shapirosupply.com/
Monty
At 10:10 PM 2/4/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Brown" <dicknginni@erinet.com>
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>Dear list: In response to the question for sheet metal suppliers(Yarde
metals) to be exact, please try this link.
>
>About.com:http://yarde.com/index.html
>
>This company seems to have everything; however I am still waiting for a
reply on my request for a quote. They provide you with a form to fill out
for all the metal you want, and you submit it online. Regards, Dick Brown
>
>
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| Subject: | Sheet Aluminum supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
I found Yarde staff very nice and helpful. If you decide to get stuff from
them (when part of the package, the 6061-T6 sheets for skins were about
$28USD per sheet), let them arrange the shipping (they have special rates
with trucking companies (about 50% less what we would have to pay). My
shipment arrived in perfect condition. The crate was heavy (more than 500
lb). All invoices, mill certificates etc, packing slips are provided on-line
(they give you client id and password to access theirs web site). Anyway, my
bill for all the aluminum for 701 (including the bar for the main landing
gear) was about $900USD. I didn't get steel from them - they don't stock it.
Jarek M. Walter
CH701 - working on wing ribs
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Brown" <dicknginni@erinet.com>
>
>Dear list: In response to the question for sheet metal suppliers(Yarde
metals) to be exact, please try this link.
>
>About.com:http://yarde.com/index.html
>
>This company seems to have everything; however I am still waiting for a
reply on my request for a quote. They provide you with a form to fill out
for all the metal you want, and you submit it online. Regards, Dick Brown
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Lowell- Congrats!! I am so jealous. Best of luck on the follow-on
flights. Al Young 601XL 60 % done- 60% to go.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Doon47@aol.com
LOWELL - Congradulations - CHIP
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Contratulations Lowell! It is a thrill I am greatly
looking forward to some day. Good luck with all the
testing phase entails.
David
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Making Spars. Wing ribs all done. Scratchin Head on the fuel tanks.
Elevator waiting for skins. Stab,Flaps,Ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard Brown" <dicknginni@erinet.com>
Congladulation! Lowell!!......ENJOY....Dick Brown, 701
still thinking about it stage!!
----- Original Message -----
From: <Doon47@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Doon47@aol.com
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> LOWELL - Congradulations - CHIP
>
>
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| Subject: | Sheet Aluminum supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
At 09:00 AM 2/5/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter"
<jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
>
>I found Yarde staff very nice and helpful. If you decide to get stuff from
>them (when part of the package, the 6061-T6 sheets for skins were about
>$28USD per sheet), let them arrange the shipping (they have special rates
>with trucking companies (about 50% less what we would have to pay). My
>shipment arrived in perfect condition. The crate was heavy (more than 500
>lb). All invoices, mill certificates etc, packing slips are provided on-line
>(they give you client id and password to access theirs web site). Anyway, my
>bill for all the aluminum for 701 (including the bar for the main landing
>gear) was about $900USD. I didn't get steel from them - they don't stock it.
>
>Jarek M. Walter
>CH701 - working on wing ribs
>
Thats a really GREAT price on .016 sheet. Shapiro was around $ 40 per
sheet, but I am sure it varies at the time of purchase according to raw
alum prices.
Did the Yard, have the .093 thick angle extrusions, for the spars, or
did you go with .125 thickness too?
Monty
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| Subject: | I have moved my website |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford <snowy_91@yahoo.com>
I have given the plane it's own web space. Granted I've only been working on the
Rudder so far and I have more time then money so work is going to go slow....but
I will get there in time. I also added a useful links page with all the stuff
(planes, engines, suppliers) I have found so far on the net.
http://www.snowy91.com/jim's_ch701/
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: I have moved my website |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michial Pedri <pedfly60@yahoo.com>
Jim,
I too am building a 701sp but have been delayed for over a year now because my
military unit was mobilized and deployed. I only ordered the rudder to begin
with as I wasn't too sure of my building skills. I have decided that in time
I can complete this aircraft if all goes well. My concern is the engine type
I may use. I have considered the rotax 80hp but the cost is a major stumbling
block.
Have you or anyone you've heard from ever considered the 2180 vw engine which sells
for under 5k. Its weight is less than 200lbs which is significantly more
than the rotax but the cost is very attractive. Any advice or commets are greatly
appreciated.
Thank you, Mike Pedri, Beckley, WV
Kepford <snowy_91@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford
I have given the plane it's own web space. Granted I've only been working on the
Rudder so far and I have more time then money so work is going to go slow....but
I will get there in time. I also added a useful links page with all the stuff
(planes, engines, suppliers) I have found so far on the net.
http://www.snowy91.com/jim's_ch701/
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: I have moved my website |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford <snowy_91@yahoo.com>
That Jabiru that Chucks using (Now that Chuck has blazed the trail for us ) looks like a good alternative, Great Plains has a redrive VW for less than $3,079 for a 1915cc kit and $3890 for a 2180cc kit and Great Plains has been around for a long time with a good reputation. http://www.greatplainsas.com/ These are the 2 I'm considering, but I have a lot of time before I need an engine. So who know's what is going to come out in the next couple of years.
Jim
http://www.snowy91.com/jim's_ch701/
Michial Pedri <pedfly60@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michial Pedri
Jim,
I too am building a 701sp but have been delayed for over a year now because my
military unit was mobilized and deployed. I only ordered the rudder to begin with
as I wasn't too sure of my building skills. I have decided that in time I
can complete this aircraft if all goes well. My concern is the engine type I may
use. I have considered the rotax 80hp but the cost is a major stumbling block.
Have you or anyone you've heard from ever considered the 2180 vw engine which sells
for under 5k. Its weight is less than 200lbs which is significantly more
than the rotax but the cost is very attractive. Any advice or commets are greatly
appreciated.
Thank you, Mike Pedri, Beckley, WV
Kepford wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford
I have given the plane it's own web space. Granted I've only been working on the
Rudder so far and I have more time then money so work is going to go slow....but
I will get there in time. I also added a useful links page with all the stuff
(planes, engines, suppliers) I have found so far on the net.
http://www.snowy91.com/jim's_ch701/
Jim
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| Subject: | I have moved my website |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Just before you get carried away on alternative engines (like I did and
bought a subaru conversion) Just take a look at insurance costs.
The insurance industry like the Rotax a lot....conversly they do NOT like
subaru's
Just a heads up from someone who's bin there...:)
Frank
601 HDS 310 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michial Pedri
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: I have moved my website
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michial Pedri <pedfly60@yahoo.com>
Jim,
I too am building a 701sp but have been delayed for over a year now because
my military unit was mobilized and deployed. I only ordered the rudder to
begin with as I wasn't too sure of my building skills. I have decided that
in time I can complete this aircraft if all goes well. My concern is the
engine type I may use. I have considered the rotax 80hp but the cost is a
major stumbling block.
Have you or anyone you've heard from ever considered the 2180 vw engine
which sells for under 5k. Its weight is less than 200lbs which is
significantly more than the rotax but the cost is very attractive. Any
advice or commets are greatly appreciated.
Thank you, Mike Pedri, Beckley, WV
Kepford <snowy_91@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford
I have given the plane it's own web space. Granted I've only been working on
the Rudder so far and I have more time then money so work is going to go
slow....but I will get there in time. I also added a useful links page with
all the stuff (planes, engines, suppliers) I have found so far on the net.
http://www.snowy91.com/jim's_ch701/
Jim
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advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Sheet Aluminum supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
.093 extrusions seems to be difficult to get and Yarde didn't have them (to
be honest, I didn't ask since they were not listed). I've got standard .125
ones. And I ordered extra ones, since the back of my 701 fuselage will be
build like 801 fuselage - no splice in longerons and no need to bend long L
out of 0.040 (approved by ZAC)
Jarek
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Monty Graves
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sheet Aluminum supplier
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
At 09:00 AM 2/5/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter"
<jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
>
>I found Yarde staff very nice and helpful. If you decide to get stuff from
>them (when part of the package, the 6061-T6 sheets for skins were about
>$28USD per sheet), let them arrange the shipping (they have special rates
>with trucking companies (about 50% less what we would have to pay). My
>shipment arrived in perfect condition. The crate was heavy (more than 500
>lb). All invoices, mill certificates etc, packing slips are provided
on-line
>(they give you client id and password to access theirs web site). Anyway,
my
>bill for all the aluminum for 701 (including the bar for the main landing
>gear) was about $900USD. I didn't get steel from them - they don't stock
it.
>
>Jarek M. Walter
>CH701 - working on wing ribs
>
Thats a really GREAT price on .016 sheet. Shapiro was around $ 40 per
sheet, but I am sure it varies at the time of purchase according to raw
alum prices.
Did the Yard, have the .093 thick angle extrusions, for the spars, or
did you go with .125 thickness too?
Monty
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| Subject: | want ch601XL or 701 project |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: phillip hartig <ncwingless@yahoo.com>
I am new to the list and was wondering if anyone knew of a 601 XL or a 701 (gross
wt 1100) project for sale. Kit or scratch built with legal transferable plans.
I can be reached off list at: ncwingless@yahoo.com
Thanks phill
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| Subject: | Sheet Aluminum supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
>.093 extrusions seems to be difficult to get and Yarde didn't have them
Although I couldn't get them to admit it, I believe that the 093 angles are extruded
especially for them as about 20 metal warehouses around the country had
no stock and were not even listed as a catalog item. John
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
In my opinion ( like bellybuttons, everyone's got one ) You will not be pleased
with the T/O performance with a direct drive VW engine in the 701. For the STOL
performance you want to swing a large diameter prop and the VW will not do
it unless you add a PSRU ( prop speed reduction unit ). Likewise the Jabaru ,
another great engine, is not a great choice in the 701. We 701 drivers chose
the thick camber and all that dirty stuff hanging off the plane so we can get
in and out of short places and give up the slippery planes with better cruise.
Aviation is a compromise and there are no free lunches, sad to say.
Lowell Metz
701 FL.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
It's exactly what GPA had to say:
Jarek:
We would recommend a 2180cc VW with a 1.6:1 reduction drive. I would not
recommend the direct drive.
Steve
Great Plains Aircraft
http://www.gpasc.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Metz
Subject: Zenith-List: VW in a 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
In my opinion ( like bellybuttons, everyone's got one ) You will not be
pleased with the T/O performance with a direct drive VW engine in the 701.
For the STOL performance you want to swing a large diameter prop and the VW
will not do it unless you add a PSRU ( prop speed reduction unit ). Likewise
the Jabaru , another great engine, is not a great choice in the 701. We 701
drivers chose the thick camber and all that dirty stuff hanging off the
plane so we can get in and out of short places and give up the slippery
planes with better cruise. Aviation is a compromise and there are no free
lunches, sad to say.
Lowell Metz
701 FL.
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| Subject: | That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hi List. Particularly 601 builders
I think you STOL builders don't have this nasty issue.
You know that place just over and behind the pilots
left shoulder where the top skin over the baggage area
has to do curve two ways at once before attachment to
the forward curved tube and the longeron? If you have
been there you will know what I mean. I think it has
to be one of the trickiest areas on the 601s. Does
anyone have any great advice on how to handle this so
it doesn't look awful?
Thanks for any advice you can throw my way. I am not
there yet but my friend is.
David
=====
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Making Spars. Wing ribs all done. Scratchin Head on the fuel tanks.
Elevator waiting for skins. Stab,Flaps,Ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection.
__________________________________
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim Kepford <snowy_91@yahoo.com>
With a 1.6:1 reduction drive would put prop RPM at 2625 rpm for takeoff and 2125
rpm for cruise. About the same as a Rotax 912 80hp. The bad part is that the
VW is going to be heavier at roughly 191 pounds. But parts for the VW motor are
a lot cheaper to buy. I can't remember the exact number by I've heard the crank
on a 912 is some were around $2500 to $3000. I consider the cost of replacement
parts a big consideration in the purchasing decision.
Jim
http://www.snowy91.com/jim's_ch701/
"Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter"
It's exactly what GPA had to say:
Jarek:
We would recommend a 2180cc VW with a 1.6:1 reduction drive. I would not
recommend the direct drive.
Steve
Great Plains Aircraft
http://www.gpasc.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Metz
Subject: Zenith-List: VW in a 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz"
In my opinion ( like bellybuttons, everyone's got one ) You will not be
pleased with the T/O performance with a direct drive VW engine in the 701.
For the STOL performance you want to swing a large diameter prop and the VW
will not do it unless you add a PSRU ( prop speed reduction unit ). Likewise
the Jabaru , another great engine, is not a great choice in the 701. We 701
drivers chose the thick camber and all that dirty stuff hanging off the
plane so we can get in and out of short places and give up the slippery
planes with better cruise. Aviation is a compromise and there are no free
lunches, sad to say.
Lowell Metz
701 FL.
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| Subject: | Sheet Aluminum supplier |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
I did actually manage to find the place that made the
.093 extruded angle but had to purchase a minimum of
500 pieces @ 12'. I think it is where ZAC gets theirs
from. Went with the .125" instead.
David
--- jnbolding1 <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1"
> <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
>
>
> >.093 extrusions seems to be difficult to get and
> Yarde didn't have them
>
>
> Although I couldn't get them to admit it, I believe
> that the 093 angles are extruded especially for them
> as about 20 metal warehouses around the country had
> no stock and were not even listed as a catalog item.
> John
>
=====
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Making Spars. Wing ribs all done. Scratchin Head on the fuel tanks.
Elevator waiting for skins. Stab,Flaps,Ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
Another inexpensive option (I'm considering) is 690-L70 engine from 2SI.
It's a 3 cylinder, 2 stroke engine and cost with PSRU is just above $4000,
including everything. The company keeps low profile - they mostly supply
military and usage of this engine in manned aircraft voids warranty (however
the engine is listed in Aircraft Spruce Catalogue). The company is saying
that market for a small aircraft engine is too small for them to take
financial risk liability insurance). Spy drones fly with this engine and
they seldom crash. Anyway, just something to think about.
Jarek
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| Subject: | That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yes lots of little creaces around where the skin rolls over the tupbe, in
between the rivets. It sounds worse than it is, in fact I don't even notice
mine now and you could cover it in padded vynil if you can't stand to look
at it.
Frank
601 HDS 310 hours
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Barth
Subject: Zenith-List: That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area!
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hi List. Particularly 601 builders
I think you STOL builders don't have this nasty issue.
You know that place just over and behind the pilots
left shoulder where the top skin over the baggage area
has to do curve two ways at once before attachment to
the forward curved tube and the longeron? If you have
been there you will know what I mean. I think it has
to be one of the trickiest areas on the 601s. Does
anyone have any great advice on how to handle this so
it doesn't look awful?
Thanks for any advice you can throw my way. I am not
there yet but my friend is.
David
=====
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder
Making Spars. Wing ribs all done. Scratchin Head on the fuel tanks. Elevator
waiting for skins. Stab,Flaps,Ailerons and Rudder ready for inspection.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ALEMBIC7@aol.com
Jarek,
Do you happen to have the hp and weight of this engine?
AZLurker
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ALEMBIC7@aol.com
I've heard favorably from Chuck D. on his Jab 2200, does anyone else have
comments/opinions on the use of the Jab 2200 on a 701?
I will be flying in AZ (high density altitude) and to CA (mountains) I like
the apparent weight to power to simplicity relationsips of this
installation...but...?
If Chuck Malloy is on this list please contact me off list re your Jab2200...
AZLurker
701 Rudder
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
Here is the Web page with some information: http://www.2si.com/690A-L70.htm
Jarek
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ALEMBIC7@aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: Zenith-List: VW in a 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ALEMBIC7@aol.com
Jarek,
Do you happen to have the hp and weight of this engine?
AZLurker
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal quantity, supplier question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John W. Tarabocchia" <tarabocchia@peoplepc.com>
Hi Bob,
Yarde Metal is probably the cheapest supplier in the north east. But they
do ship all over the world.
http://www.yarde.com/
John W. Tarabocchia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Traveling Man" <travliman58@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet metal quantity, supplier question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Traveling Man"
<travliman58@hotmail.com>
>
> Hello list.
>
> I'm getting set to put together a buy list for sheet metal for my plans
> built 601-HD, and before I start re-drawing layouts on 4 x 12 sheets in my
> computer to see how much of what I'm going to need, I thought I'd ask here
> and see if anyone has a buy list (Bill of Material) for a 601-HD.
>
> Additionally I recall seeing something about a place here in the States
> (Yard?) that had good prices on aluminum, but I can't seem to locate it in
> the archives. I'd also be happy to discuss renting or purchasing rib
> forming blocks from anyone who has done this successfully and no longer
> needs theirs.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Bob Lindley
> CH601-HD - Now I got a rudder!
> 4% down, 96% to go!
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison" <perrymorrison@yahoo.com>
Any engine driving a small prop will give poor climb and the
un-redriven VW must use small props because its power band
is in the > 3000rpm range.
I recently did a check ride in a jabiru equipped cub look-alike.
Again, small prop needed because of the high revs when directly
driven. Absolutely appalling climb and not much better in cruise.
Same a/c with a 912 is great.
Re drone engines (below) bear in mind that many drones are not
designed to have long lifetimes. They would never make a 1500hr
TBO. The new predator drones used by the US military have rotax 912s.
Perhaps they need the reliability because of long loiter times,
and have better survivability in their high altitude role but
historically drones have been disposable tools often with
McCulloch 2 stroke engines (used to be popular in gyros). Might
do well to see what drones they use these engines in.
Perry Morrison
--- "Jarek M. Walter" <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jarek M. Walter"
> <jarek.walter@sympatico.ca>
>
> Another inexpensive option (I'm considering) is 690-L70 engine from
> 2SI.
> It's a 3 cylinder, 2 stroke engine and cost with PSRU is just above
> $4000,
> including everything. The company keeps low profile - they mostly
> supply
> military and usage of this engine in manned aircraft voids warranty
> (however
> the engine is listed in Aircraft Spruce Catalogue). The company is
> saying
> that market for a small aircraft engine is too small for them to take
> financial risk liability insurance). Spy drones fly with this engine
> and
> they seldom crash. Anyway, just something to think about.
> Jarek
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steelframe AUS" <sales@steelframe.com.au>
G'Day List, & David,
What I did with mine is run the sheet past the tube about 1/2 inch & fitted
a rubber
cove over the sharpe edge instead of bending it around the tube, it looks
neat.
Ron Saarinen From the Land Down under
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barth" <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi List. Particularly 601 builders
> I think you STOL builders don't have this nasty issue.
>
> You know that place just over and behind the pilots
> left shoulder where the top skin over the baggage area
> has to do curve two ways at once before attachment to
> the forward curved tube and the longeron? If you have
> been there you will know what I mean. I think it has
> to be one of the trickiest areas on the 601s. Does
> anyone have any great advice on how to handle this so
> it doesn't look awful?
>
> Thanks for any advice you can throw my way. I am not
> there yet but my friend is.
> David
>
> =====
> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder
> Making Spars. Wing ribs all done. Scratchin Head on the fuel tanks.
> Elevator waiting for skins. Stab,Flaps,Ailerons and Rudder ready for
inspection.
>
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| Subject: | Re: That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
The ZAC demo XL has the top skin on the outside of the rear skin and tucked underneath
the front side skin. This seems to help with wrinkle that tries to form
with all of these compound curves.
Jerry Latimer
601HDS
I now own a motor.
>
> From: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2004/02/05 Thu PM 04:51:56 EST
> To: Zenith List <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area!
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi List. Particularly 601 builders
> I think you STOL builders don't have this nasty issue.
>
> You know that place just over and behind the pilots
> left shoulder where the top skin over the baggage area
> has to do curve two ways at once before attachment to
> the forward curved tube and the longeron? If you have
> been there you will know what I mean. I think it has
> to be one of the trickiest areas on the 601s. Does
> anyone have any great advice on how to handle this so
> it doesn't look awful?
>
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| Subject: | Re: I have moved my website |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ramperf@aol.com
Frank
Thats because there's to many people building the subaru that are lax in
proper rebuild knowledge and thus sell engines that are not true areomotive
engines.
Ron
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
Hi List,
Is anyone building the above combo? Does this engine require rear mounting of
the battery to obtain proper CG limits? What about the Jabiru 3300?
Thanks,
Arthur
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Chris Ross <coross2@mindspring.com>
If you check the 2si web page, you will see no references to aircraft
engines. They have abandonned that market.
At 05:19 PM 2/5/2004, you wrote:
>Here is the Web page with some information: http://www.2si.com/690A-L70.htm
>Jarek
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| Subject: | Re: That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray" <brett@hog-air.com>
I thought it was just me. I thought that they marked the curved pipe
wrong. And the one that says it is for the front is for the back. And
then I think it would be right. But mine was already done so I just
stopped at the back loop. Then cut a triangle to finish it. It doesn't
look bad at all. But like I said I think the pieces were marked wrong
and it would work better if you switch them. All though I am not sure.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth
<davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi List. Particularly 601 builders
> I think you STOL builders don't have this nasty issue.
>
> You know that place just over and behind the pilots
> left shoulder where the top skin over the baggage area
> has to do curve two ways at once before attachment to
> the forward curved tube and the longeron? If you have
> been there you will know what I mean. I think it has
> to be one of the trickiest areas on the 601s. Does
> anyone have any great advice on how to handle this so
> it doesn't look awful?
>
> Thanks for any advice you can throw my way. I am not
> there yet but my friend is.
> David
>
> =====
> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder
> Making Spars. Wing ribs all done. Scratchin Head on the fuel tanks.
> Elevator waiting for skins. Stab,Flaps,Ailerons and Rudder ready for
inspection.
>
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| Subject: | Canopy adhesive again |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi List,
Well I've procrastinated long enough and the rubber trim
has to be glued to the canopy. That isn't so challenging,
but the little patch on each side of the rear edge where
the rubber trim is only holding onto aluminum is curious.
What do you do there? And what does one do about
getting the aluminum and the acrylic to stay together
in a patch that is without screws or fasteners? Anyone
glue the canopy to the aluminum in this area?
This little corner each side of the canopy is troubling
and I'm sure some of you 601 builders have been there.
I'd be pleased to hear what was done before the fact.
Thanks again,
Larry McFarland - 601HDS and getting close....after 4-1/2 years...
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| Subject: | Re: That problem turtle-deck-skin double-curve area! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Brett Ray <brett@hog-air.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett Ray"
I thought it was just me. I thought that they marked the curved pipe
wrong. And the one that says it is for the front is for the back. And
then I think it would be right.
Brett:
I am finding out the Zac has never heard of a recall notice. I had a major problem
in the bend of the B2 hoop. After laying it out on a piece of cardboard according
to the plan I found that the bend was wrong! After calling Zac they said
they were aware of several that were bent wrong. They did send me a new hoop
but "my company" would have made this problem known to save many hours of builder
frustration. Using the old hoop, I also destroyed the top skin which I
replaced myself.
Check out page 3 on my website for a couple of pics on this.
Although I am not ready to criticize Zac's customer service just yet, I am having
a few doubts with this and the wing skin problem which is still not resolved.
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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